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On March 02 2019 02:59 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:57 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:49 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:47 travis wrote:On March 02 2019 02:40 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 02:39 travis wrote:On March 02 2019 02:38 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2019 02:37 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:35 deacon.frost wrote:On March 02 2019 02:34 Pandain wrote:
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If your argument is that Serral only "destroyed" because another player lost before, your argument is really weak. I could easily say the same for GSL, saying Maru only won because his main competitor was in Finland.
Yeah, Serral fanboys use that argument often, but then again - it's easier for Serral to play in GSL than for Maru to join WCS. Explain to me, how its easier. Really. Take months/years having a visa (ok sorry can't stay out of it) okay but for GSL you have to live there for months.. You have to live there for at most 3 months. TRUE and Ragnarok's visa processes went over 9 months. I don't think you guys get the point. You think it's easy for most people to leave their family and move to a foreign country where they don't speak the language for months at a time? As opposed to... flying to a tournament for a weekend or a week? And yet pro athletes do it every year. If Blizzard really cared about making their game actually as competitive as it should be, they would make this happen, they would offer Serral enough to make it happen. At this point Serral is guaranteed a massive check from Blizzard every year anyway, why not make it official and get him to play where he's actually going to be challenged because lord knows that isn't gonna happen in WCS. Dude 1. very little percentage of pro-athletes do it 2. those who do it - it was their dream from the moment they picked up their sport 3. those athletes that come to a different country to work - they really get a very good contract with sweet living conditions. You can google this. 4. Some of those athletes then go back home literally to repair their well being. 5. Its good for you to start saying that its Blizzard (or any other organization for what its worth) give it a try. 6. If i was Serral i woulnd't even consider GSL if i wasnt treated as a rock start on tour. Seriously. But im not Serral so let's see what happens. and yet Scarlett, Special, Neeb, Elazer, Ptitdrogo, SortOf and even 16 year old Reynor did it.
Perfect. Ask them if they were "forced" to do it, or it was their dream/intention to do it.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 02 2019 02:59 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:59 WickedBit wrote:On March 02 2019 02:49 GoloSC2 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:47 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:45 Pandain wrote:Did Serral Innovation really throw off the schedule that much? Seemed like all three streams were continually playing something but now there's always one series that is late. They should just start the other games. On March 02 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:17 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:15 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:
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this ^
also anyone still laughing at the stupid guy who got banned for being a chode to scarlett?
You thought it was possible for a Starcraft player to never drop one series and to win every tournament he entered during the span of more than ten month? Maru has been around for nine years, that fourth is OSL that he definitely didn't win last year. But what would have happened if he entered GSL during these ten month?  that's why 10 months doesn't mean as much as you think it means With his GSL vs the World or Blizzcon's level, he would have won it. His streak would have probably been less impressive tho He probably would have won it fixed it for you Nope, very unlikely with Maru playing there maru lost to serral at gsl vs world, so i don't think it would have been very unlikely No he lost to stats. They didn’t face each other . He was talking about the bo1 team competition
Serral lost to Maru 0:3 in the only offline BO3+ game they played the last year. Thus proving that Serral wouldn't have won. He lost to slumping Innovation today to prove this. Q.E.D.
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soO already out, when he cant even beat bunny or dear
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On March 02 2019 03:00 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 03:00 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
I just noticed Bunny isn't using the skins. Such a rebel. uh will probably disqualified for this
skin police on the case.
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Canada8989 Posts
On March 02 2019 03:01 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:58 Vindicare605 wrote:
I just realized. This is a skinned Terran vs a default skinned Terran. I like it, really feels appropriate lorewise for the units to look factioned like this. it's pretty cool. I always like imagining SC2 matches as if they were in-lore events and battles.
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On March 02 2019 02:58 Vindicare605 wrote:
I just realized. This is a skinned Terran vs a default skinned Terran. I like it, really feels appropriate lorewise for the units to look factioned like this.
The Bunjwa saving starcraft again!
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On March 02 2019 03:01 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:59 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2019 02:59 WickedBit wrote:On March 02 2019 02:49 GoloSC2 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:47 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:45 Pandain wrote:Did Serral Innovation really throw off the schedule that much? Seemed like all three streams were continually playing something but now there's always one series that is late. They should just start the other games. On March 02 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:17 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:15 Xain0n wrote:
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You thought it was possible for a Starcraft player to never drop one series and to win every tournament he entered during the span of more than ten month?
Maru has been around for nine years, that fourth is OSL that he definitely didn't win last year.
But what would have happened if he entered GSL during these ten month? that's why 10 months doesn't mean as much as you think it means With his GSL vs the World or Blizzcon's level, he would have won it. His streak would have probably been less impressive tho He probably would have won it fixed it for you Nope, very unlikely with Maru playing there maru lost to serral at gsl vs world, so i don't think it would have been very unlikely No he lost to stats. They didn’t face each other . He was talking about the bo1 team competition Serral lost to Maru 0:3 in the only offline BO3+ game they played the last year. Thus proving that Serral wouldn't have won. He lost to slumping Innovation today to prove this. Q.E.D.
but Raaaaaaavens...
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Aaaaaaaand Uthermal just threw the game.
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On March 02 2019 02:52 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:49 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:22 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:17 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:11 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:09 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:06 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
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Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger.
No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive.
People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year.
Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Just want to point out that that is a subjective opinion. Winning GSL is impressive but the current format also gives the title holder a free pass to the quarterfinals. this format has been in place for years and yet no one else has been able to sweep a year of GSL with the same advantage Thank you! not even Mvp was ever able to sweep an entire year's worth of seasons. No one ever has. What Maru did last year was unprecedented in SC2 and he did it at the highest level in a tournament that wasn't locked to anyone. Serral can't claim that. He's a super skilled player whose legacy has been inflated thanks to the dumb system that WCS is using. I hate it, and I will not shut up about it until it changes. There is no way to say objectively which one had more impressive year. I think Serral deserved the player of the year award because he won GSL vs. the world and Blizzcon. Also using an argument that depends on a person not being able to imagine something is quite questionable  Let's not mince words here. Serral won the "player of the year award" (who even gave that site the right to decide anything) because he was the first non-Korean to win a top tier tournament in a game that has been dominated by Koreans over the last 20 years. He won because of his ethnic origin. If he was a Korean player that award would have gone to a different player playing a different game. On one hand, I get that and I can even appreciate it. On the other hand, Blizzard has been manipulating the system in their game to make it easier and easier for this result to happen. I'm not OK with that. It diminishes the accomplishments of top tier foreigners like Stephano and it inflates the results of people that are legitimately awesome like Serral. I want this shit fair, and I want Serral to win fair and square. I want more tournaments like IEM and fewer like WCS and Blizzcon. You are clueless if you think Serral was crowned best player in the world only because he is not korean; I would actually say it's more impressive as people here value Code S so immensely and he didn't get to play them. People used to value Code S highly here. Since the Serral hype Code S is often completely dismissed because it doesn't fit the narrative that Serral was by far the best and most dominating player of the year.
Code S still is way superior to WCS but you guys all seem to think it's slightly better than a Major; the achievement argument can't be solved just because of that.
Serral may very well be weaker against Terran but wasn't Maru very vulnerable to Protoss? It's not like every single tournament there are the best possible pairings, upsets happened to everyone but Serral.
He won and that's all that's counts.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 02 2019 03:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:59 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:57 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:49 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:47 travis wrote:On March 02 2019 02:40 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 02:39 travis wrote:On March 02 2019 02:38 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2019 02:37 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:35 deacon.frost wrote:
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Yeah, Serral fanboys use that argument often, but then again - it's easier for Serral to play in GSL than for Maru to join WCS. Explain to me, how its easier. Really. Take months/years having a visa (ok sorry can't stay out of it) okay but for GSL you have to live there for months.. You have to live there for at most 3 months. TRUE and Ragnarok's visa processes went over 9 months. I don't think you guys get the point. You think it's easy for most people to leave their family and move to a foreign country where they don't speak the language for months at a time? As opposed to... flying to a tournament for a weekend or a week? And yet pro athletes do it every year. If Blizzard really cared about making their game actually as competitive as it should be, they would make this happen, they would offer Serral enough to make it happen. At this point Serral is guaranteed a massive check from Blizzard every year anyway, why not make it official and get him to play where he's actually going to be challenged because lord knows that isn't gonna happen in WCS. Dude 1. very little percentage of pro-athletes do it 2. those who do it - it was their dream from the moment they picked up their sport 3. those athletes that come to a different country to work - they really get a very good contract with sweet living conditions. You can google this. 4. Some of those athletes then go back home literally to repair their well being. 5. Its good for you to start saying that its Blizzard (or any other organization for what its worth) give it a try. 6. If i was Serral i woulnd't even consider GSL if i wasnt treated as a rock start on tour. Seriously. But im not Serral so let's see what happens. and yet Scarlett, Special, Neeb, Elazer, Ptitdrogo, SortOf and even 16 year old Reynor did it. Perfect. Ask them if they were "forced" to do it, or it was their dream/intention to do it.
No one is forcing Serral, it's just an argument about him being the best and avoiding the best competition. It's easier for him? It is. Is he avoiding Korea? He is. Is that something bad? It's not, it's his free decision. But somehow his fans are super salty when anybody mentions this I wonder why.
On March 02 2019 03:02 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:52 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:49 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:22 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:17 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:11 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:09 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:06 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:
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No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1.
Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today.
The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss?
I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Just want to point out that that is a subjective opinion. Winning GSL is impressive but the current format also gives the title holder a free pass to the quarterfinals. this format has been in place for years and yet no one else has been able to sweep a year of GSL with the same advantage Thank you! not even Mvp was ever able to sweep an entire year's worth of seasons. No one ever has. What Maru did last year was unprecedented in SC2 and he did it at the highest level in a tournament that wasn't locked to anyone. Serral can't claim that. He's a super skilled player whose legacy has been inflated thanks to the dumb system that WCS is using. I hate it, and I will not shut up about it until it changes. There is no way to say objectively which one had more impressive year. I think Serral deserved the player of the year award because he won GSL vs. the world and Blizzcon. Also using an argument that depends on a person not being able to imagine something is quite questionable Let's not mince words here. Serral won the "player of the year award" (who even gave that site the right to decide anything) because he was the first non-Korean to win a top tier tournament in a game that has been dominated by Koreans over the last 20 years. He won because of his ethnic origin. If he was a Korean player that award would have gone to a different player playing a different game. On one hand, I get that and I can even appreciate it. On the other hand, Blizzard has been manipulating the system in their game to make it easier and easier for this result to happen. I'm not OK with that. It diminishes the accomplishments of top tier foreigners like Stephano and it inflates the results of people that are legitimately awesome like Serral. I want this shit fair, and I want Serral to win fair and square. I want more tournaments like IEM and fewer like WCS and Blizzcon. You are clueless if you think Serral was crowned best player in the world only because he is not korean; I would actually say it's more impressive as people here value Code S so immensely and he didn't get to play them. People used to value Code S highly here. Since the Serral hype Code S is often completely dismissed because it doesn't fit the narrative that Serral was by far the best and most dominating player of the year. Code S still is way superior to WCS but you guys all seem to think it's slightly better than a Major; the achievement argument can't be solved just because of that. Serral may very well be weaker against Terran but wasn't Maru very vulnerable to Protoss? It's not like every single tournament there are the best possible pairings, upsets happened to everyone but Serral. He won and that's all that's counts.
Maru had beaten several good Protoss players(and Zest ) to:
1) Achieve Code S title
2) To get to the Code S finals
C'mon. You need to get better, because Serral magically avoided Maru and TY the whole 2018.
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On March 02 2019 03:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:59 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:57 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:49 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:47 travis wrote:On March 02 2019 02:40 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 02:39 travis wrote:On March 02 2019 02:38 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2019 02:37 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:35 deacon.frost wrote:
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Yeah, Serral fanboys use that argument often, but then again - it's easier for Serral to play in GSL than for Maru to join WCS. Explain to me, how its easier. Really. Take months/years having a visa (ok sorry can't stay out of it) okay but for GSL you have to live there for months.. You have to live there for at most 3 months. TRUE and Ragnarok's visa processes went over 9 months. I don't think you guys get the point. You think it's easy for most people to leave their family and move to a foreign country where they don't speak the language for months at a time? As opposed to... flying to a tournament for a weekend or a week? And yet pro athletes do it every year. If Blizzard really cared about making their game actually as competitive as it should be, they would make this happen, they would offer Serral enough to make it happen. At this point Serral is guaranteed a massive check from Blizzard every year anyway, why not make it official and get him to play where he's actually going to be challenged because lord knows that isn't gonna happen in WCS. Dude 1. very little percentage of pro-athletes do it 2. those who do it - it was their dream from the moment they picked up their sport 3. those athletes that come to a different country to work - they really get a very good contract with sweet living conditions. You can google this. 4. Some of those athletes then go back home literally to repair their well being. 5. Its good for you to start saying that its Blizzard (or any other organization for what its worth) give it a try. 6. If i was Serral i woulnd't even consider GSL if i wasnt treated as a rock start on tour. Seriously. But im not Serral so let's see what happens. and yet Scarlett, Special, Neeb, Elazer, Ptitdrogo, SortOf and even 16 year old Reynor did it. Perfect. Ask them if they were "forced" to do it, or it was their dream/intention to do it.
They were fleeing from Serral.
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Uhhhhhhhhhh what the hell did uthermal just do
rip that W
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On March 02 2019 03:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:59 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:57 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:49 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:47 travis wrote:On March 02 2019 02:40 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 02:39 travis wrote:On March 02 2019 02:38 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2019 02:37 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:35 deacon.frost wrote:
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Yeah, Serral fanboys use that argument often, but then again - it's easier for Serral to play in GSL than for Maru to join WCS. Explain to me, how its easier. Really. Take months/years having a visa (ok sorry can't stay out of it) okay but for GSL you have to live there for months.. You have to live there for at most 3 months. TRUE and Ragnarok's visa processes went over 9 months. I don't think you guys get the point. You think it's easy for most people to leave their family and move to a foreign country where they don't speak the language for months at a time? As opposed to... flying to a tournament for a weekend or a week? And yet pro athletes do it every year. If Blizzard really cared about making their game actually as competitive as it should be, they would make this happen, they would offer Serral enough to make it happen. At this point Serral is guaranteed a massive check from Blizzard every year anyway, why not make it official and get him to play where he's actually going to be challenged because lord knows that isn't gonna happen in WCS. Dude 1. very little percentage of pro-athletes do it 2. those who do it - it was their dream from the moment they picked up their sport 3. those athletes that come to a different country to work - they really get a very good contract with sweet living conditions. You can google this. 4. Some of those athletes then go back home literally to repair their well being. 5. Its good for you to start saying that its Blizzard (or any other organization for what its worth) give it a try. 6. If i was Serral i woulnd't even consider GSL if i wasnt treated as a rock start on tour. Seriously. But im not Serral so let's see what happens. and yet Scarlett, Special, Neeb, Elazer, Ptitdrogo, SortOf and even 16 year old Reynor did it. Perfect. Ask them if they were "forced" to do it, or it was their dream/intention to do it.
??? why would they be "forced" to do it?
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On March 02 2019 03:01 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:58 Vindicare605 wrote:
I just realized. This is a skinned Terran vs a default skinned Terran. I like it, really feels appropriate lorewise for the units to look factioned like this. it's pretty cool. I always like imagining SC2 matches as if they were in-lore events and battles.
Raynor's Raiders vs. the Terran Dominion?
I miss that they barely cared about team colours in the SC2 campaign though  .
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On March 02 2019 03:01 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:59 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2019 02:59 WickedBit wrote:On March 02 2019 02:49 GoloSC2 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:47 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:45 Pandain wrote:Did Serral Innovation really throw off the schedule that much? Seemed like all three streams were continually playing something but now there's always one series that is late. They should just start the other games. On March 02 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:17 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:15 Xain0n wrote:
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You thought it was possible for a Starcraft player to never drop one series and to win every tournament he entered during the span of more than ten month?
Maru has been around for nine years, that fourth is OSL that he definitely didn't win last year.
But what would have happened if he entered GSL during these ten month? that's why 10 months doesn't mean as much as you think it means With his GSL vs the World or Blizzcon's level, he would have won it. His streak would have probably been less impressive tho He probably would have won it fixed it for you Nope, very unlikely with Maru playing there maru lost to serral at gsl vs world, so i don't think it would have been very unlikely No he lost to stats. They didn’t face each other . He was talking about the bo1 team competition Serral lost to Maru 0:3 in the only offline BO3+ game they played the last year. Thus proving that Serral wouldn't have won. He lost to slumping Innovation today to prove this. Q.E.D.
That's frankly ridicolous, shape isn't constant throughout the year. It doesn't prove anything other than Maru being stronger than Serral at WESG.
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What's with the pop off jokes? I obviously missed something.
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Canada8989 Posts
Bunny macro seemed kind of bad
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