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JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-01 17:53:15
March 01 2019 17:52 GMT
#1481
As of now the only player who really looked like he's in top form is Stats.
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-01 17:54:27
March 01 2019 17:53 GMT
#1482
On March 02 2019 02:51 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 02:40 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:39 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:23 nojok wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:17 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:11 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:09 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:06 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
[quote]

I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked.

We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also.

Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact.

Just want to point out that that is a subjective opinion. Winning GSL is impressive but the current format also gives the title holder a free pass to the quarterfinals.

this format has been in place for years and yet no one else has been able to sweep a year of GSL with the same advantage


Thank you! not even Mvp was ever able to sweep an entire year's worth of seasons. No one ever has. What Maru did last year was unprecedented in SC2 and he did it at the highest level in a tournament that wasn't locked to anyone.

Serral can't claim that. He's a super skilled player whose legacy has been inflated thanks to the dumb system that WCS is using. I hate it, and I will not shut up about it until it changes.

There is no way to say objectively which one had more impressive year. I think Serral deserved the player of the year award because he won GSL vs. the world and Blizzcon. Also using an argument that depends on a person not being able to imagine something is quite questionable


Let's not mince words here. Serral won the "player of the year award" (who even gave that site the right to decide anything) because he was the first non-Korean to win a top tier tournament in a game that has been dominated by Koreans over the last 20 years.

He won because of his ethnic origin. If he was a Korean player that award would have gone to a different player playing a different game.

Can we use the B word if Serral wins this event?

There is 0 SC2 bonjwas. ZERO, so Serral needs to show something amazing for the next years to archieve that.


Considering you're a Fin. Thank you.

I am a Serral fan, I really am, but this sort of shit really needs to stop. People need to put everything about what he is doing into perspective.


You are not a Serral fan, you might actually like him but no true fan would say what you said.

ah yes you tell him about what players he likes and dislikes, I'm glad that you are the arbitrator on who the real fans of players are
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
March 01 2019 17:53 GMT
#1483
On March 02 2019 02:52 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 02:49 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:17 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:11 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:09 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:06 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
[quote]

Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger.

No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive.

People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year.

Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa.


No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1.

Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today.
The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss?


I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked.

We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also.

Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact.

Just want to point out that that is a subjective opinion. Winning GSL is impressive but the current format also gives the title holder a free pass to the quarterfinals.

this format has been in place for years and yet no one else has been able to sweep a year of GSL with the same advantage


Thank you! not even Mvp was ever able to sweep an entire year's worth of seasons. No one ever has. What Maru did last year was unprecedented in SC2 and he did it at the highest level in a tournament that wasn't locked to anyone.

Serral can't claim that. He's a super skilled player whose legacy has been inflated thanks to the dumb system that WCS is using. I hate it, and I will not shut up about it until it changes.

There is no way to say objectively which one had more impressive year. I think Serral deserved the player of the year award because he won GSL vs. the world and Blizzcon. Also using an argument that depends on a person not being able to imagine something is quite questionable


Let's not mince words here. Serral won the "player of the year award" (who even gave that site the right to decide anything) because he was the first non-Korean to win a top tier tournament in a game that has been dominated by Koreans over the last 20 years.

He won because of his ethnic origin. If he was a Korean player that award would have gone to a different player playing a different game.

On one hand, I get that and I can even appreciate it. On the other hand, Blizzard has been manipulating the system in their game to make it easier and easier for this result to happen. I'm not OK with that. It diminishes the accomplishments of top tier foreigners like Stephano and it inflates the results of people that are legitimately awesome like Serral.

I want this shit fair, and I want Serral to win fair and square. I want more tournaments like IEM and fewer like WCS and Blizzcon.


You are clueless if you think Serral was crowned best player in the world only because he is not korean; I would actually say it's more impressive as people here value Code S so immensely and he didn't get to play them.

People used to value Code S highly here. Since the Serral hype Code S is often completely dismissed because it doesn't fit the narrative that Serral was by far the best and most dominating player of the year.


Can we give Gold on TL, because I would totally gild this comment.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 01 2019 17:53 GMT
#1484
Wow that liberator just saved him the game. He would have been way behind otherwise.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15967 Posts
March 01 2019 17:53 GMT
#1485
On March 02 2019 02:51 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 02:40 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:39 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:23 nojok wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:17 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:11 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:09 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:06 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
[quote]

I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked.

We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also.

Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact.

Just want to point out that that is a subjective opinion. Winning GSL is impressive but the current format also gives the title holder a free pass to the quarterfinals.

this format has been in place for years and yet no one else has been able to sweep a year of GSL with the same advantage


Thank you! not even Mvp was ever able to sweep an entire year's worth of seasons. No one ever has. What Maru did last year was unprecedented in SC2 and he did it at the highest level in a tournament that wasn't locked to anyone.

Serral can't claim that. He's a super skilled player whose legacy has been inflated thanks to the dumb system that WCS is using. I hate it, and I will not shut up about it until it changes.

There is no way to say objectively which one had more impressive year. I think Serral deserved the player of the year award because he won GSL vs. the world and Blizzcon. Also using an argument that depends on a person not being able to imagine something is quite questionable


Let's not mince words here. Serral won the "player of the year award" (who even gave that site the right to decide anything) because he was the first non-Korean to win a top tier tournament in a game that has been dominated by Koreans over the last 20 years.

He won because of his ethnic origin. If he was a Korean player that award would have gone to a different player playing a different game.

Can we use the B word if Serral wins this event?

There is 0 SC2 bonjwas. ZERO, so Serral needs to show something amazing for the next years to archieve that.


Considering you're a Fin. Thank you.

I am a Serral fan, I really am, but this sort of shit really needs to stop. People need to put everything about what he is doing into perspective.


You are not a Serral fan, you might actually like him but no true fan would say what you said.

Agreed. Unless you think that Serral is by far the best and most dominating player in the world with nobody else being able to compete with him you aren't a true Serral fan.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 01 2019 17:54 GMT
#1486
On March 02 2019 02:51 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 02:40 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:39 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:23 nojok wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:17 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:11 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:09 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:06 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
[quote]

I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked.

We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also.

Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact.

Just want to point out that that is a subjective opinion. Winning GSL is impressive but the current format also gives the title holder a free pass to the quarterfinals.

this format has been in place for years and yet no one else has been able to sweep a year of GSL with the same advantage


Thank you! not even Mvp was ever able to sweep an entire year's worth of seasons. No one ever has. What Maru did last year was unprecedented in SC2 and he did it at the highest level in a tournament that wasn't locked to anyone.

Serral can't claim that. He's a super skilled player whose legacy has been inflated thanks to the dumb system that WCS is using. I hate it, and I will not shut up about it until it changes.

There is no way to say objectively which one had more impressive year. I think Serral deserved the player of the year award because he won GSL vs. the world and Blizzcon. Also using an argument that depends on a person not being able to imagine something is quite questionable


Let's not mince words here. Serral won the "player of the year award" (who even gave that site the right to decide anything) because he was the first non-Korean to win a top tier tournament in a game that has been dominated by Koreans over the last 20 years.

He won because of his ethnic origin. If he was a Korean player that award would have gone to a different player playing a different game.

Can we use the B word if Serral wins this event?

There is 0 SC2 bonjwas. ZERO, so Serral needs to show something amazing for the next years to archieve that.


Considering you're a Fin. Thank you.

I am a Serral fan, I really am, but this sort of shit really needs to stop. People need to put everything about what he is doing into perspective.


You are not a Serral fan, you might actually like him but no true fan would say what you said.

And you're the fanboy that decides this? Can I be a fan of Zest? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese?

Jesus. Give me the ignore function already
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
March 01 2019 17:54 GMT
#1487
On March 02 2019 02:53 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 02:52 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:49 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:17 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:11 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:09 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:06 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:
[quote]

No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1.

Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today.
The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss?


I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked.

We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also.

Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact.

Just want to point out that that is a subjective opinion. Winning GSL is impressive but the current format also gives the title holder a free pass to the quarterfinals.

this format has been in place for years and yet no one else has been able to sweep a year of GSL with the same advantage


Thank you! not even Mvp was ever able to sweep an entire year's worth of seasons. No one ever has. What Maru did last year was unprecedented in SC2 and he did it at the highest level in a tournament that wasn't locked to anyone.

Serral can't claim that. He's a super skilled player whose legacy has been inflated thanks to the dumb system that WCS is using. I hate it, and I will not shut up about it until it changes.

There is no way to say objectively which one had more impressive year. I think Serral deserved the player of the year award because he won GSL vs. the world and Blizzcon. Also using an argument that depends on a person not being able to imagine something is quite questionable


Let's not mince words here. Serral won the "player of the year award" (who even gave that site the right to decide anything) because he was the first non-Korean to win a top tier tournament in a game that has been dominated by Koreans over the last 20 years.

He won because of his ethnic origin. If he was a Korean player that award would have gone to a different player playing a different game.

On one hand, I get that and I can even appreciate it. On the other hand, Blizzard has been manipulating the system in their game to make it easier and easier for this result to happen. I'm not OK with that. It diminishes the accomplishments of top tier foreigners like Stephano and it inflates the results of people that are legitimately awesome like Serral.

I want this shit fair, and I want Serral to win fair and square. I want more tournaments like IEM and fewer like WCS and Blizzcon.


You are clueless if you think Serral was crowned best player in the world only because he is not korean; I would actually say it's more impressive as people here value Code S so immensely and he didn't get to play them.

People used to value Code S highly here. Since the Serral hype Code S is often completely dismissed because it doesn't fit the narrative that Serral was by far the best and most dominating player of the year.


Can we give Gold on TL, because I would totally gild this comment.

I mean you can paypal him if you want
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
March 01 2019 17:54 GMT
#1488
On March 02 2019 02:46 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:17 Poopi wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:15 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:08 Poopi wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:
[quote]
Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right


Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger.

No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive.

People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year.

Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa.


No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1.

Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today.
The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss?


I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked.

We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also.

Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact.

Maru "only" won 3 straight. But indeed it's more impressive, I didn't think it was possible. I knew however that winning GSL vs the world and BlizzCon was possible. Or winning 4 WCS In a row, Neeb almost did it.


this ^

also anyone still laughing at the stupid guy who got banned for being a chode to scarlett?


You thought it was possible for a Starcraft player to never drop one series and to win every tournament he entered during the span of more than ten month?

Maru has been around for nine years, that fourth is OSL that he definitely didn't win last year.


But what would have happened if he entered GSL during these ten month? that's why 10 months doesn't mean as much as you think it means


With his GSL vs the World or Blizzcon's level, he would have won it. His streak would have probably been less impressive tho

Serral has issues with Terrans. He wouldn't have won Code S if he had met a good Terran.


No way, at his best he was so much ahead he would have beaten Maru. Anyway, that's my opinion and it's not worth discussing on opinions alone.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
March 01 2019 17:54 GMT
#1489
that laugh of bunny and geoff "bunny thinks thats pretty funny" just made me crack up so hard, im not even sure why
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
March 01 2019 17:54 GMT
#1490
Bunny not looking that sharp either actually ;_;
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55551 Posts
March 01 2019 17:54 GMT
#1491
On March 02 2019 02:53 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 02:52 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:49 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:17 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:11 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:09 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:06 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:
[quote]

No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1.

Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today.
The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss?


I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked.

We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also.

Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact.

Just want to point out that that is a subjective opinion. Winning GSL is impressive but the current format also gives the title holder a free pass to the quarterfinals.

this format has been in place for years and yet no one else has been able to sweep a year of GSL with the same advantage


Thank you! not even Mvp was ever able to sweep an entire year's worth of seasons. No one ever has. What Maru did last year was unprecedented in SC2 and he did it at the highest level in a tournament that wasn't locked to anyone.

Serral can't claim that. He's a super skilled player whose legacy has been inflated thanks to the dumb system that WCS is using. I hate it, and I will not shut up about it until it changes.

There is no way to say objectively which one had more impressive year. I think Serral deserved the player of the year award because he won GSL vs. the world and Blizzcon. Also using an argument that depends on a person not being able to imagine something is quite questionable


Let's not mince words here. Serral won the "player of the year award" (who even gave that site the right to decide anything) because he was the first non-Korean to win a top tier tournament in a game that has been dominated by Koreans over the last 20 years.

He won because of his ethnic origin. If he was a Korean player that award would have gone to a different player playing a different game.

On one hand, I get that and I can even appreciate it. On the other hand, Blizzard has been manipulating the system in their game to make it easier and easier for this result to happen. I'm not OK with that. It diminishes the accomplishments of top tier foreigners like Stephano and it inflates the results of people that are legitimately awesome like Serral.

I want this shit fair, and I want Serral to win fair and square. I want more tournaments like IEM and fewer like WCS and Blizzcon.


You are clueless if you think Serral was crowned best player in the world only because he is not korean; I would actually say it's more impressive as people here value Code S so immensely and he didn't get to play them.

People used to value Code S highly here. Since the Serral hype Code S is often completely dismissed because it doesn't fit the narrative that Serral was by far the best and most dominating player of the year.


Can we give Gold on TL, because I would totally gild this comment.

You can gift TL+
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
March 01 2019 17:54 GMT
#1492
On March 02 2019 02:50 Nakajin wrote:
You know guys I think if we just do one or two more pages of this we will all arrive at the same conclusion


crying
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
March 01 2019 17:55 GMT
#1493
On March 02 2019 02:54 travis wrote:
that laugh of bunny and geoff "bunny thinks thats pretty funny" just made me crack up so hard, im not even sure why


"big man laugh ha ha"
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria819 Posts
March 01 2019 17:55 GMT
#1494
Do you have a chance to get SC2 in-game rewards if you watch stream today or has this opportunity expired already?
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 01 2019 17:56 GMT
#1495
On March 02 2019 02:54 Xain0n wrote:
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On March 02 2019 02:46 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:17 Poopi wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:15 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:08 Poopi wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
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Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger.

No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive.

People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year.

Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa.


No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1.

Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today.
The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss?


I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked.

We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also.

Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact.

Maru "only" won 3 straight. But indeed it's more impressive, I didn't think it was possible. I knew however that winning GSL vs the world and BlizzCon was possible. Or winning 4 WCS In a row, Neeb almost did it.


this ^

also anyone still laughing at the stupid guy who got banned for being a chode to scarlett?


You thought it was possible for a Starcraft player to never drop one series and to win every tournament he entered during the span of more than ten month?

Maru has been around for nine years, that fourth is OSL that he definitely didn't win last year.


But what would have happened if he entered GSL during these ten month? that's why 10 months doesn't mean as much as you think it means


With his GSL vs the World or Blizzcon's level, he would have won it. His streak would have probably been less impressive tho

Serral has issues with Terrans. He wouldn't have won Code S if he had met a good Terran.


No way, at his best he was so much ahead he would have beaten Maru. Anyway, that's my opinion and it's not worth discussing on opinions alone.

Suuuuure, of course he would. And then he would have cured cancer. But since Serral didn't go to Korea we don't have the cure for cancer. So now I will blame Serral for this as well.
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starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
March 01 2019 17:56 GMT
#1496
On March 02 2019 02:55 SC-Shield wrote:
Do you have a chance to get SC2 in-game rewards if you watch stream today or has this opportunity expired already?

as far as I know its still going on
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 01 2019 17:56 GMT
#1497
Foreign terrans are often great in pulling off upsets in group stages and then immediately losing in the playoffs.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
March 01 2019 17:56 GMT
#1498
On March 02 2019 02:55 SC-Shield wrote:
Do you have a chance to get SC2 in-game rewards if you watch stream today or has this opportunity expired already?


Supposedly the whole thing has been bugged but Blizz is still monitoring who is watching and for how long.

As far as I know, the offer is valid for the whole tournament.
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uummpaa
Profile Joined July 2018
238 Posts
March 01 2019 17:56 GMT
#1499
On March 02 2019 02:53 Charoisaur wrote:
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On March 02 2019 02:51 Xain0n wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:40 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:39 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:23 nojok wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:17 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:11 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:09 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 02 2019 02:06 RaFox17 wrote:
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Just want to point out that that is a subjective opinion. Winning GSL is impressive but the current format also gives the title holder a free pass to the quarterfinals.

this format has been in place for years and yet no one else has been able to sweep a year of GSL with the same advantage


Thank you! not even Mvp was ever able to sweep an entire year's worth of seasons. No one ever has. What Maru did last year was unprecedented in SC2 and he did it at the highest level in a tournament that wasn't locked to anyone.

Serral can't claim that. He's a super skilled player whose legacy has been inflated thanks to the dumb system that WCS is using. I hate it, and I will not shut up about it until it changes.

There is no way to say objectively which one had more impressive year. I think Serral deserved the player of the year award because he won GSL vs. the world and Blizzcon. Also using an argument that depends on a person not being able to imagine something is quite questionable


Let's not mince words here. Serral won the "player of the year award" (who even gave that site the right to decide anything) because he was the first non-Korean to win a top tier tournament in a game that has been dominated by Koreans over the last 20 years.

He won because of his ethnic origin. If he was a Korean player that award would have gone to a different player playing a different game.

Can we use the B word if Serral wins this event?

There is 0 SC2 bonjwas. ZERO, so Serral needs to show something amazing for the next years to archieve that.


Considering you're a Fin. Thank you.

I am a Serral fan, I really am, but this sort of shit really needs to stop. People need to put everything about what he is doing into perspective.


You are not a Serral fan, you might actually like him but no true fan would say what you said.

Agreed. Unless you think that Serral is by far the best and most dominating player in the world with nobody else being able to compete with him you aren't a true Serral fan.


none of you people are fans, you are children in a sandbox, arguing whose bucket has the best colour
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
March 01 2019 17:57 GMT
#1500
You'd think that with all the people complaining about lack of Terrans, people would take the time to enjoy this TvT. How many more opportunities do you expect to have?
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