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On March 02 2019 02:40 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:37 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:35 deacon.frost wrote:On March 02 2019 02:34 Pandain wrote:On March 02 2019 02:32 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:28 Pandain wrote:On March 02 2019 02:26 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:23 nojok wrote:On March 02 2019 02:22 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:17 RaFox17 wrote:[quote] There is no way to say objectively which one had more impressive year. I think Serral deserved the player of the year award because he won GSL vs. the world and Blizzcon. Also using an argument that depends on a person not being able to imagine something is quite questionable  Let's not mince words here. Serral won the "player of the year award" (who even gave that site the right to decide anything) because he was the first non-Korean to win a top tier tournament in a game that has been dominated by Koreans over the last 20 years. He won because of his ethnic origin. If he was a Korean player that award would have gone to a different player playing a different game. Can we use the B word if Serral wins this event? No we cant. Serral will have won THREE global events in his entire career. That is nowhere near bonjwa worthy. Think about that for perspective. As dominant as Serral has been he he was only won 3 tournaments that Koreans have been allowed to participate in. It's disgraceful to our scene that someone that is widely considered one of the best in the world is still stomping all over a regionlocked scene while also declining to participate in the top league in the world. This just doesn't happen in other sports. Luka Doncic is one of the best Euroleague Players that the league has ever scene and he only started playing in the NBA this year but at least he went over and started playing in it. You can't be the best and achieve the title of the best when you don't compete against the best on a regular basis. I dont care what sport you're playing. He didn't just "win." He absolutely destroyed Blizzcon. Outside of the Finals, he absolutely destroyed GSL vs the World. And he just advanced first outside of the group of death. If he shows the same level of play as previous tournaments, it's not simply "winning." It's winning the three most recent biggest international tournaments over the course of 6 months. He destroyed that tournament because his main competitor proxied his way into a 3-0 loss to sOs. He won that entire tournament without beating a single Terran. Think about that? I don't WANT to make these kinds of excuses for Serral. He is legitimately an awesome player, but they are so glaring that only the most rabid delusional fanboy can ignore them. If your argument is that Serral only "destroyed" because another player lost before, your argument is really weak. I could easily say the same for GSL, saying Maru only won because his main competitor was in Finland. Yeah, Serral fanboys use that argument often, but then again - it's easier for Serral to play in GSL than for Maru to join WCS. Explain to me, how its easier. Really. It takes over a year to get the visa process done. SEveral Korean players proved this in the past. While all that Serral needs to do is to move to Korea. Can you see the difference now?
See the problem is out of (lets say) 20 different aspects of moving abroad for a prolonged period of time you chose only 1 and made your case. Don't you really see the problem here?
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On March 02 2019 02:43 Elentos wrote:There is no Scarlett game at this time.
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I can't tell units apart with these fucked up skins, sigh 
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On March 02 2019 02:41 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:40 JoeCool wrote:On March 02 2019 02:39 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2019 02:38 travis wrote:
i just got home
lol @ these results
inno pulling a maru
how was innovation vs serral? should i watch them?
also, rogue out. wow~ No INno-Serral was borring as fuck Gotta agree. 45 minutes+ with 30 minutes of BL+Infestor vs. Mech. Was like watching paint dry. there was no mech though
Mhm right, my mistake. Was thinking about the game vs Gumiho. Still was boring.
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On March 02 2019 02:42 Muffloe wrote:
is anyone streaming scarletts game?
Doesn't look like it. B stream is on intermission.
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On March 02 2019 02:17 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:15 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:On March 02 2019 02:08 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:
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If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right  Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Maru "only" won 3 straight. But indeed it's more impressive, I didn't think it was possible. I knew however that winning GSL vs the world and BlizzCon was possible. Or winning 4 WCS In a row, Neeb almost did it. this ^ also anyone still laughing at the stupid guy who got banned for being a chode to scarlett? You thought it was possible for a Starcraft player to never drop one series and to win every tournament he entered during the span of more than ten month? Maru has been around for nine years, that fourth is OSL that he definitely didn't win last year. But what would have happened if he entered GSL during these ten month? that's why 10 months doesn't mean as much as you think it means
With his GSL vs the World or Blizzcon's level, he would have won it. His streak would have probably been less impressive tho
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On March 02 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:17 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:15 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:On March 02 2019 02:08 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:
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Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked.
I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Maru "only" won 3 straight. But indeed it's more impressive, I didn't think it was possible. I knew however that winning GSL vs the world and BlizzCon was possible. Or winning 4 WCS In a row, Neeb almost did it. this ^ also anyone still laughing at the stupid guy who got banned for being a chode to scarlett? You thought it was possible for a Starcraft player to never drop one series and to win every tournament he entered during the span of more than ten month? Maru has been around for nine years, that fourth is OSL that he definitely didn't win last year. But what would have happened if he entered GSL during these ten month? that's why 10 months doesn't mean as much as you think it means With his GSL vs the World or Blizzcon's level, he would have won it. His streak would have probably been less impressive tho
He may have won it
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On March 02 2019 02:43 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:40 deacon.frost wrote:On March 02 2019 02:37 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:35 deacon.frost wrote:On March 02 2019 02:34 Pandain wrote:On March 02 2019 02:32 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:28 Pandain wrote:On March 02 2019 02:26 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:23 nojok wrote:On March 02 2019 02:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
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Let's not mince words here. Serral won the "player of the year award" (who even gave that site the right to decide anything) because he was the first non-Korean to win a top tier tournament in a game that has been dominated by Koreans over the last 20 years.
He won because of his ethnic origin. If he was a Korean player that award would have gone to a different player playing a different game. Can we use the B word if Serral wins this event? No we cant. Serral will have won THREE global events in his entire career. That is nowhere near bonjwa worthy. Think about that for perspective. As dominant as Serral has been he he was only won 3 tournaments that Koreans have been allowed to participate in. It's disgraceful to our scene that someone that is widely considered one of the best in the world is still stomping all over a regionlocked scene while also declining to participate in the top league in the world. This just doesn't happen in other sports. Luka Doncic is one of the best Euroleague Players that the league has ever scene and he only started playing in the NBA this year but at least he went over and started playing in it. You can't be the best and achieve the title of the best when you don't compete against the best on a regular basis. I dont care what sport you're playing. He didn't just "win." He absolutely destroyed Blizzcon. Outside of the Finals, he absolutely destroyed GSL vs the World. And he just advanced first outside of the group of death. If he shows the same level of play as previous tournaments, it's not simply "winning." It's winning the three most recent biggest international tournaments over the course of 6 months. He destroyed that tournament because his main competitor proxied his way into a 3-0 loss to sOs. He won that entire tournament without beating a single Terran. Think about that? I don't WANT to make these kinds of excuses for Serral. He is legitimately an awesome player, but they are so glaring that only the most rabid delusional fanboy can ignore them. If your argument is that Serral only "destroyed" because another player lost before, your argument is really weak. I could easily say the same for GSL, saying Maru only won because his main competitor was in Finland. Yeah, Serral fanboys use that argument often, but then again - it's easier for Serral to play in GSL than for Maru to join WCS. Explain to me, how its easier. Really. It takes over a year to get the visa process done. SEveral Korean players proved this in the past. While all that Serral needs to do is to move to Korea. Can you see the difference now? See the problem is out of (lets say) 20 different aspects of moving abroad for a prolonged period of time you chose only 1 and made your case. Don't you really see the problem here?
No, both players have to invest time abroad, both have to leave their home. The rest is more or less the same. With more rules being applied to Koreans(the True(I believe) incident from the past year). Nope, Serral has it easier. he doesn't want to leave WCS, fine with me, his choice.
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Did Serral Innovation really throw off the schedule that much? Seemed like all three streams were continually playing something but now there's always one series that is late.
They should just start the other games.
On March 02 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:17 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:15 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:On March 02 2019 02:08 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:[quote] Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Maru "only" won 3 straight. But indeed it's more impressive, I didn't think it was possible. I knew however that winning GSL vs the world and BlizzCon was possible. Or winning 4 WCS In a row, Neeb almost did it. this ^ also anyone still laughing at the stupid guy who got banned for being a chode to scarlett? You thought it was possible for a Starcraft player to never drop one series and to win every tournament he entered during the span of more than ten month? Maru has been around for nine years, that fourth is OSL that he definitely didn't win last year. But what would have happened if he entered GSL during these ten month? that's why 10 months doesn't mean as much as you think it means With his GSL vs the World or Blizzcon's level, he would have won it. His streak would have probably been less impressive tho He probably would have won it
fixed it for you
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On March 02 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:17 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:15 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:On March 02 2019 02:08 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:
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Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked.
I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Maru "only" won 3 straight. But indeed it's more impressive, I didn't think it was possible. I knew however that winning GSL vs the world and BlizzCon was possible. Or winning 4 WCS In a row, Neeb almost did it. this ^ also anyone still laughing at the stupid guy who got banned for being a chode to scarlett? You thought it was possible for a Starcraft player to never drop one series and to win every tournament he entered during the span of more than ten month? Maru has been around for nine years, that fourth is OSL that he definitely didn't win last year. But what would have happened if he entered GSL during these ten month? that's why 10 months doesn't mean as much as you think it means With his GSL vs the World or Blizzcon's level, he would have won it. His streak would have probably been less impressive tho
Serral has issues with Terrans. He wouldn't have won Code S if he had met a good Terran.
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On March 02 2019 02:40 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:39 travis wrote:On March 02 2019 02:38 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2019 02:37 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:35 deacon.frost wrote:On March 02 2019 02:34 Pandain wrote:On March 02 2019 02:32 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:28 Pandain wrote:On March 02 2019 02:26 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:23 nojok wrote:
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Can we use the B word if Serral wins this event? No we cant. Serral will have won THREE global events in his entire career. That is nowhere near bonjwa worthy. Think about that for perspective. As dominant as Serral has been he he was only won 3 tournaments that Koreans have been allowed to participate in. It's disgraceful to our scene that someone that is widely considered one of the best in the world is still stomping all over a regionlocked scene while also declining to participate in the top league in the world. This just doesn't happen in other sports. Luka Doncic is one of the best Euroleague Players that the league has ever scene and he only started playing in the NBA this year but at least he went over and started playing in it. You can't be the best and achieve the title of the best when you don't compete against the best on a regular basis. I dont care what sport you're playing. He didn't just "win." He absolutely destroyed Blizzcon. Outside of the Finals, he absolutely destroyed GSL vs the World. And he just advanced first outside of the group of death. If he shows the same level of play as previous tournaments, it's not simply "winning." It's winning the three most recent biggest international tournaments over the course of 6 months. He destroyed that tournament because his main competitor proxied his way into a 3-0 loss to sOs. He won that entire tournament without beating a single Terran. Think about that? I don't WANT to make these kinds of excuses for Serral. He is legitimately an awesome player, but they are so glaring that only the most rabid delusional fanboy can ignore them. If your argument is that Serral only "destroyed" because another player lost before, your argument is really weak. I could easily say the same for GSL, saying Maru only won because his main competitor was in Finland. Yeah, Serral fanboys use that argument often, but then again - it's easier for Serral to play in GSL than for Maru to join WCS. Explain to me, how its easier. Really. Take months/years having a visa (ok sorry can't stay out of it) okay but for GSL you have to live there for months.. You have to live there for at most 3 months. TRUE and Ragnarok's visa processes went over 9 months.
I don't think you guys get the point. You think it's easy for most people to leave their family and move to a foreign country where they don't speak the language for months at a time?
As opposed to... flying to a tournament for a weekend or a week?
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On March 02 2019 02:45 Pandain wrote:
Did Serral Innovation really throw off the schedule that much? Seemed like all three streams were continually playing something but now there's always one series that is late.
They should just start the other games.
Each game went over 30 minutes whereas 30 minutes has been around the average series length, or at least that's how it has felt.
So, doesn't surprise me.
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Serral has also stated that he doesn't feel like its fair that Koreans cant participate in WCS but foreigners can compete in GSL, so he probably wont ever do code S just on principle.
A man of values AND talent.
btw serral best player in the world and is bonjwa don't @me
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Nice, Bunjwa doing well.
FUCK soO doing badly...
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On March 02 2019 02:45 Pandain wrote:Did Serral Innovation really throw off the schedule that much? Seemed like all three streams were continually playing something but now there's always one series that is late. They should just start the other games. Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:17 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:15 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:On March 02 2019 02:08 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
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Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger.
No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive.
People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year.
Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Maru "only" won 3 straight. But indeed it's more impressive, I didn't think it was possible. I knew however that winning GSL vs the world and BlizzCon was possible. Or winning 4 WCS In a row, Neeb almost did it. this ^ also anyone still laughing at the stupid guy who got banned for being a chode to scarlett? You thought it was possible for a Starcraft player to never drop one series and to win every tournament he entered during the span of more than ten month? Maru has been around for nine years, that fourth is OSL that he definitely didn't win last year. But what would have happened if he entered GSL during these ten month? that's why 10 months doesn't mean as much as you think it means With his GSL vs the World or Blizzcon's level, he would have won it. His streak would have probably been less impressive tho He probably would have won it fixed it for you
Nope, very unlikely with Maru playing there
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Wtf did happen. Why this will be the first series on stage?
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On March 02 2019 02:47 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:40 Elentos wrote:On March 02 2019 02:39 travis wrote:On March 02 2019 02:38 Nakajin wrote:On March 02 2019 02:37 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On March 02 2019 02:35 deacon.frost wrote:On March 02 2019 02:34 Pandain wrote:On March 02 2019 02:32 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:28 Pandain wrote:On March 02 2019 02:26 Vindicare605 wrote:
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No we cant. Serral will have won THREE global events in his entire career. That is nowhere near bonjwa worthy.
Think about that for perspective. As dominant as Serral has been he he was only won 3 tournaments that Koreans have been allowed to participate in. It's disgraceful to our scene that someone that is widely considered one of the best in the world is still stomping all over a regionlocked scene while also declining to participate in the top league in the world.
This just doesn't happen in other sports. Luka Doncic is one of the best Euroleague Players that the league has ever scene and he only started playing in the NBA this year but at least he went over and started playing in it.
You can't be the best and achieve the title of the best when you don't compete against the best on a regular basis. I dont care what sport you're playing.
He didn't just "win." He absolutely destroyed Blizzcon. Outside of the Finals, he absolutely destroyed GSL vs the World. And he just advanced first outside of the group of death. If he shows the same level of play as previous tournaments, it's not simply "winning." It's winning the three most recent biggest international tournaments over the course of 6 months. He destroyed that tournament because his main competitor proxied his way into a 3-0 loss to sOs. He won that entire tournament without beating a single Terran. Think about that? I don't WANT to make these kinds of excuses for Serral. He is legitimately an awesome player, but they are so glaring that only the most rabid delusional fanboy can ignore them. If your argument is that Serral only "destroyed" because another player lost before, your argument is really weak. I could easily say the same for GSL, saying Maru only won because his main competitor was in Finland. Yeah, Serral fanboys use that argument often, but then again - it's easier for Serral to play in GSL than for Maru to join WCS. Explain to me, how its easier. Really. Take months/years having a visa (ok sorry can't stay out of it) okay but for GSL you have to live there for months.. You have to live there for at most 3 months. TRUE and Ragnarok's visa processes went over 9 months. I don't think you guys get the point. You think it's easy for most people to leave their family and move to a foreign country where they don't speak the language for months at a time? As opposed to... flying to a tournament for a weekend or a week?
Also it's not like an American going to Canada or something. Korea is veryyyy different than Europe. Very easy to get culture shock and overwhelmed.
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The definitive level of Serral hype that is rational:
(1) Serral is the best foreigner of all time
(2) Serral is arguably the best player in the world right now
(3) Serral needs a lot more wins to be a contender for GOAT
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On March 02 2019 02:46 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:17 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:15 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:On March 02 2019 02:08 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:[quote] Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Maru "only" won 3 straight. But indeed it's more impressive, I didn't think it was possible. I knew however that winning GSL vs the world and BlizzCon was possible. Or winning 4 WCS In a row, Neeb almost did it. this ^ also anyone still laughing at the stupid guy who got banned for being a chode to scarlett? You thought it was possible for a Starcraft player to never drop one series and to win every tournament he entered during the span of more than ten month? Maru has been around for nine years, that fourth is OSL that he definitely didn't win last year. But what would have happened if he entered GSL during these ten month? that's why 10 months doesn't mean as much as you think it means With his GSL vs the World or Blizzcon's level, he would have won it. His streak would have probably been less impressive tho Serral has issues with Terrans. He wouldn't have won Code S if he had met a good Terran.
He lost a bo3 vs a Terran today and another one a year ago, we don't know for the 12 month in-between really. Serrals is unusually consistent but usually match up form change a lot during a year
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On March 02 2019 02:47 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:45 Pandain wrote:Did Serral Innovation really throw off the schedule that much? Seemed like all three streams were continually playing something but now there's always one series that is late. They should just start the other games. On March 02 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:On March 02 2019 02:44 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:17 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:15 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 02:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:On March 02 2019 02:08 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:
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No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1.
Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today.
The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss?
I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Maru "only" won 3 straight. But indeed it's more impressive, I didn't think it was possible. I knew however that winning GSL vs the world and BlizzCon was possible. Or winning 4 WCS In a row, Neeb almost did it. this ^ also anyone still laughing at the stupid guy who got banned for being a chode to scarlett? You thought it was possible for a Starcraft player to never drop one series and to win every tournament he entered during the span of more than ten month? Maru has been around for nine years, that fourth is OSL that he definitely didn't win last year. But what would have happened if he entered GSL during these ten month? that's why 10 months doesn't mean as much as you think it means With his GSL vs the World or Blizzcon's level, he would have won it. His streak would have probably been less impressive tho He probably would have won it fixed it for you Nope, very unlikely with Maru playing there
maru lost to serral at gsl vs world, so i don't think it would have been very unlikely
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