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On March 02 2019 02:01 RaFox17 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 01:57 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 JoeCool wrote:On March 02 2019 01:47 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
That Serral vs Innovation is bothering me. At no point Serral was winning the game. He was just sitting around when he could have killed several time Innovation bases. Well Serral already played 4 game prior to the match vs innovation. I think the games where pretty demanding while innovation on the other hand didn't put that much energy into them. Maybe that's an explanation. ? thats a ridiculous explanation As rational as Maru not caring about tournaments that are not GSL 
no thats an idiotic argument as well, care to make some more?
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The good thing is I am not so sure zvt is that much z favored now !
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that was really hard to fuck up for scarlett but she somehow managed to do it
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On March 02 2019 02:01 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 01:58 dysenterymd wrote:
Serral is still on track to win every premier tournament he enters for an entire calendar years, just needs to win IEM and WESG. Sadly TY is in these tournaments too
Not WESG. TY might not even get to play against Serral at IEM, Serral is favoured against anyone who isn't TY, and I think a strong case can be made that he's favored against TY in BO5+.
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Scarlett v TY completely crazy game
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On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/nyTsZhC.jpg) If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact.
Just want to point out that that is a subjective opinion. Winning GSL is impressive but the current format also gives the title holder a free pass to the quarterfinals.
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On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact.
You are literally super deluded. There has never been such a huge streak even if you exclude all the foreigners!
He didn't win four? Are you drunk? Your facts aren't even facts...
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Its mainstream. Why they are not on the stage?
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On March 02 2019 02:06 RaFox17 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Just want to point out that that is a subjective opinion. Winning GSL is impressive but the current format also gives the title holder a free pass to the quarterfinals.
And the current WCS format gives foreigners 8 free passes to Blizzcon. Your point?
I'm against both formats. The fact that the tournaments are encouraging incumbency as much as they are is anti-competition.
That said, GSL is way more fair and competitive than WCS could ever hope to be.
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On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact.
And then gets 2-3'd of the tournament
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On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact.
Maru "only" won 3 straight. But indeed it's more impressive, I didn't think it was possible. I knew however that winning GSL vs the world and BlizzCon was possible. Or winning 4 WCS In a row, Neeb almost did it.
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On March 02 2019 01:58 Muffloe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 01:58 herwo wrote:On March 02 2019 01:52 stilt wrote:On March 02 2019 01:47 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
That Serral vs Innovation is bothering me. At no point Serral was winning the game. He was just sitting around when he could have killed several time Innovation bases. At least, we know his weakness. lol wouldn't bank on that based on this game.. he also lost in the late vs gumi tho
that was very different... gumi won with unscouted BCs cause serral was bad at scouting. here serral lost in a straight up late game getting picked apart. hope he gets to play against TY in a game that is not inconsequential.
he insisted many times that he doesn't like the streak narrative, so there was not much for him to win in this game. it was smarter for him to make use of the chance of playing innovation to get his game better for later stages, but at the same time he definitely got outplayed, so only serral knows what was on his mind. but i wouldn't draw conclusions that he can't play late game zvt
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On March 02 2019 02:07 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. You are literally super deluded. There has never been such a huge streak even if you exclude all the foreigners! He didn't win four? Are you drunk? Your facts aren't even facts...
He won 3 in a row and 4 overall, oh boy big deal! it's still way more impressive than Serral's WCS streak or Blizzcon win.
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On March 02 2019 02:06 RaFox17 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Just want to point out that that is a subjective opinion. Winning GSL is impressive but the current format also gives the title holder a free pass to the quarterfinals.
this format has been in place for years and yet no one else has been able to sweep a year of GSL with the same advantage
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On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact.
Oh here is another one that poses solid opinions as facts. You can't do that bro.
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