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On March 02 2019 02:15 Noonius wrote:
I'm gonna be honest Demu has improved a lot as a caster. I like that
Yeah I have been thinking the same. He's quite good now. Also feels like he has been following the meta a lot more and pretty much knows what's going on.
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France12911 Posts
On March 02 2019 02:15 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:On March 02 2019 02:08 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/nyTsZhC.jpg) If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right  Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Maru "only" won 3 straight. But indeed it's more impressive, I didn't think it was possible. I knew however that winning GSL vs the world and BlizzCon was possible. Or winning 4 WCS In a row, Neeb almost did it. this ^ also anyone still laughing at the stupid guy who got banned for being a chode to scarlett? You thought it was possible for a Starcraft player to never drop one series and to win every tournament he entered during the span of more than ten month? Maru has been around for nine years, that fourth is OSL that he definitely didn't win last year.
But what would have happened if he entered GSL during these ten month?  that's why 10 months doesn't mean as much as you think it means
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On March 02 2019 02:11 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:09 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:06 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Just want to point out that that is a subjective opinion. Winning GSL is impressive but the current format also gives the title holder a free pass to the quarterfinals. this format has been in place for years and yet no one else has been able to sweep a year of GSL with the same advantage Thank you! not even Mvp was ever able to sweep an entire year's worth of seasons. No one ever has. What Maru did last year was unprecedented in SC2 and he did it at the highest level in a tournament that wasn't locked to anyone. Serral can't claim that. He's a super skilled player whose legacy has been inflated thanks to the dumb system that WCS is using. I hate it, and I will not shut up about it until it changes.
There is no way to say objectively which one had more impressive year. I think Serral deserved the player of the year award because he won GSL vs. the world and Blizzcon. Also using an argument that depends on a person not being able to imagine something is quite questionable 
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On March 02 2019 02:15 sneakyfox wrote:
Scarlett just got 2-0 by TY without getting a single real game going. Brutal
Absolute fucking clown fiesta of a series.
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On March 02 2019 02:16 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:On March 02 2019 02:08 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Maru "only" won 3 straight. But indeed it's more impressive, I didn't think it was possible. I knew however that winning GSL vs the world and BlizzCon was possible. Or winning 4 WCS In a row, Neeb almost did it. this ^ also anyone still laughing at the stupid guy who got banned for being a chode to scarlett? I just ignored him. Glad the mods didn't though.
There are only two things that make me use the report feature on TL: spambots and this kind of shit.
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On March 02 2019 02:17 Noonius wrote:
Bunny = best terran 2019
what about my boy TY
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On March 02 2019 02:14 Noonius wrote:are people even aware that this gif is still hosted by TL? ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/Happy2.gif) I miss the olden days
I got banned for using this gif too much.
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On March 02 2019 02:17 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:15 sneakyfox wrote:
Scarlett just got 2-0 by TY without getting a single real game going. Brutal Absolute fucking clown fiesta of a series.
Scarlett always delivers on some level 
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France12911 Posts
soO, Dear and Scarlett will be the laughing stocks of IEM players for letting some terrans go through!
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Bunny really improved a lot
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seeing mutas used in tvz really makes me miss hots ling ban muta vs bio mine
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On March 02 2019 02:17 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:15 sneakyfox wrote:
Scarlett just got 2-0 by TY without getting a single real game going. Brutal Absolute fucking clown fiesta of a series.
Ridiculous. But good to see him survive that kind of stupidity. And now he's up two wins
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I just wish that TvZ meta will go back to what soo vs bunny are showing
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We're already well above 50k viewers. Cheers bois
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On March 02 2019 02:20 egrimm wrote:
I just wish that TvZ meta will go back to what soo vs bunny are showing
I think we should all strife for the TvZ meta to become what TY and Scarlett were showing.
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On March 02 2019 02:17 RaFox17 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:11 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:09 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:06 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:
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If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Just want to point out that that is a subjective opinion. Winning GSL is impressive but the current format also gives the title holder a free pass to the quarterfinals. this format has been in place for years and yet no one else has been able to sweep a year of GSL with the same advantage Thank you! not even Mvp was ever able to sweep an entire year's worth of seasons. No one ever has. What Maru did last year was unprecedented in SC2 and he did it at the highest level in a tournament that wasn't locked to anyone. Serral can't claim that. He's a super skilled player whose legacy has been inflated thanks to the dumb system that WCS is using. I hate it, and I will not shut up about it until it changes. There is no way to say objectively which one had more impressive year. I think Serral deserved the player of the year award because he won GSL vs. the world and Blizzcon. Also using an argument that depends on a person not being able to imagine something is quite questionable
Let's not mince words here. Serral won the "player of the year award" (who even gave that site the right to decide anything) because he was the first non-Korean to win a top tier tournament in a game that has been dominated by Koreans over the last 20 years.
He won because of his ethnic origin. If he was a Korean player that award would have gone to a different player playing a different game.
On one hand, I get that and I can even appreciate it. On the other hand, Blizzard has been manipulating the system in their game to make it easier and easier for this result to happen. I'm not OK with that. It diminishes the accomplishments of top tier foreigners like Stephano and it inflates the results of people that are legitimately awesome like Serral.
I want this shit fair, and I want Serral to win fair and square. I want more tournaments like IEM and fewer like WCS and Blizzcon.
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Is Bunny the new zerg bonjwa?
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On March 02 2019 01:54 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 01:52 D-light wrote:On March 02 2019 01:47 DieuCure wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 D-light wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 DieuCure wrote:
If you can't win against INno in late game you don't stand a chance against TY. This meaningless series certainly tells us that 100% He still tried hard. And if it was meaningless it was too for INno, Serral isn't that strong in ZvT, but since he dont have to play ZvT inWCS ... In certain ways obviously, but not sure why he'd show everything he's got. And at least Inno was playing for not getting 0-5'd and beating Serral. Dunno, it seems obvious he has no idea how to play against this style.
Definitely has no idea. Agreed 100%
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Bunny is not part of the conspiracy
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