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On March 02 2019 02:08 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/nyTsZhC.jpg) If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right  Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. And then gets 2-3'd of the tournament
Well so far it's the best terran result we got :o whereas Dark 4-1 8-3 beats Serral 4-1 9-5
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Back to group C.
I thought Serral and Rogue is going to advance. Gumohi maybe the third. WTF happend? How did Ragnarok do so well?
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On March 02 2019 02:08 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Maru "only" won 3 straight. But indeed it's more impressive, I didn't think it was possible. I knew however that winning GSL vs the world and BlizzCon was possible. Or winning 4 WCS In a row, Neeb almost did it.
this ^
also anyone still laughing at the stupid guy who got banned for being a chode to scarlett?
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On March 02 2019 02:01 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 01:58 herwo wrote:On March 02 2019 01:52 stilt wrote:On March 02 2019 01:47 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
That Serral vs Innovation is bothering me. At no point Serral was winning the game. He was just sitting around when he could have killed several time Innovation bases. At least, we know his weakness. lol wouldn't bank on that based on this game.. Two actually which lasted 40 minutes, he had the time to make adjustements.
by game i meant the bo3. after 1-0, serral was guaranteed to be in ro8
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On March 02 2019 02:09 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:06 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Just want to point out that that is a subjective opinion. Winning GSL is impressive but the current format also gives the title holder a free pass to the quarterfinals. this format has been in place for years and yet no one else has been able to sweep a year of GSL with the same advantage
Thank you! not even Mvp was ever able to sweep an entire year's worth of seasons. No one ever has. What Maru did last year was unprecedented in SC2 and he did it at the highest level in a tournament that wasn't locked to anyone.
Serral can't claim that. He's a super skilled player whose legacy has been inflated thanks to the dumb system that WCS is using. I hate it, and I will not shut up about it until it changes.
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On March 02 2019 02:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:08 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Maru "only" won 3 straight. But indeed it's more impressive, I didn't think it was possible. I knew however that winning GSL vs the world and BlizzCon was possible. Or winning 4 WCS In a row, Neeb almost did it. this ^ also anyone still laughing at the stupid guy who got banned for being a chode to scarlett?
Na, we just ignored him.
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Maru definitely still has a more impressive career than Serral overall (once you factor in SSL and OSL), but to argue that Maru is a better player at this point in time is super questionable...
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Stats, Serral, and Dark all in the Round of 8. That's pretty sick.
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On March 02 2019 02:12 Pandain wrote:
Stats, Serral, and Dark all in the Round of 8. That's pretty sick.
I guess if you only enjoy ZvP/ZvZ/PvP...
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On March 02 2019 02:11 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:09 starkiller123 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:06 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Just want to point out that that is a subjective opinion. Winning GSL is impressive but the current format also gives the title holder a free pass to the quarterfinals. this format has been in place for years and yet no one else has been able to sweep a year of GSL with the same advantage Thank you! not even Mvp was ever able to sweep an entire year's worth of seasons. No one ever has. What Maru did last year was unprecedented in SC2 and he did it at the highest level in a tournament that wasn't locked to anyone. Serral can't claim that. He's a super skilled player whose legacy has been inflated thanks to the dumb system that WCS is using. I hate it, and I will not shut up about it until it changes.
but he was literally dead
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are people even aware that this gif is still hosted by TL?
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/Happy2.gif)
I miss the olden days
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TY not messing around today
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I'm gonna be honest Demu has improved a lot as a caster. I like that
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On March 02 2019 02:14 Noonius wrote:are people even aware that this gif is still hosted by TL? I miss the olden days
This isn't, sadly ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/SjCYG1Z.png)
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Scarlett just got 2-0 by TY without getting a single real game going. Brutal
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On March 02 2019 02:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:08 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Maru "only" won 3 straight. But indeed it's more impressive, I didn't think it was possible. I knew however that winning GSL vs the world and BlizzCon was possible. Or winning 4 WCS In a row, Neeb almost did it. this ^ also anyone still laughing at the stupid guy who got banned for being a chode to scarlett?
You thought it was possible for a Starcraft player to never drop one series and to win every tournament he entered during the span of more than ten month?
Maru has been around for nine years, that fourth is OSL that he definitely didn't win last year.
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On March 02 2019 02:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:08 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Maru "only" won 3 straight. But indeed it's more impressive, I didn't think it was possible. I knew however that winning GSL vs the world and BlizzCon was possible. Or winning 4 WCS In a row, Neeb almost did it. this ^ also anyone still laughing at the stupid guy who got banned for being a chode to scarlett?
I just ignored him. Glad the mods didn't though.
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On March 02 2019 02:15 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 02:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:On March 02 2019 02:08 Poopi wrote:On March 02 2019 02:03 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:The streak Innovation stopped: If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa... Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked. I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count. Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger. No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive. People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year. Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa. No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1. Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today. The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss? I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked. We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also. Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact. Maru "only" won 3 straight. But indeed it's more impressive, I didn't think it was possible. I knew however that winning GSL vs the world and BlizzCon was possible. Or winning 4 WCS In a row, Neeb almost did it. this ^ also anyone still laughing at the stupid guy who got banned for being a chode to scarlett? You thought it was possible for a Starcraft player to never drop one series and to win every tournament he entered during the span of more than ten month? Maru has been around for nine years, that fourth is OSL that he definitely didn't win last year.
Considering he participated in 2 real tournaments in this time span - Yes, I knew this is possible
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