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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
March 01 2019 16:57 GMT
#1281
Guys, don't be too eager to say what is and what isn't Serral's weakness.
After not losing for one entire year he gets defeated having already advanced first in his group; I don't think he's clueless in lategame ZvT but he looked like and lost deservingly, he would lose again by playing so passively.
Before being worried I'd wait for Serral to actually lose a tournament worthy series, he's very quick to adapt and he will be playing bo5+ from now on.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16105 Posts
March 01 2019 16:57 GMT
#1282
On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:
On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The streak Innovation stopped:

[image loading]


If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa...


Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked.

I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count.

Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right


Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger.

No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive.

People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year.

Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa.
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Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
March 01 2019 16:57 GMT
#1283
On March 02 2019 01:55 Soke wrote:
soO floating at least 1k/1k the whole game, even while losing. His macro was definitely off


Should've built some Nexuses .

(It's a joke about one of Neeb's games yesterday, if you're confused).
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
egrimm
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland1199 Posts
March 01 2019 16:57 GMT
#1284
And after Maru and inno Bunny is the next sleeping Terran...
sOs TY PartinG
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
March 01 2019 16:57 GMT
#1285
On March 02 2019 01:54 JoeCool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 01:47 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
That Serral vs Innovation is bothering me. At no point Serral was winning the game. He was just sitting around when he could have killed several time Innovation bases.


Well Serral already played 4 game prior to the match vs innovation. I think the games where pretty demanding while innovation on the other hand didn't put that much energy into them. Maybe that's an explanation.

? thats a ridiculous explanation
herwo
Profile Joined January 2019
199 Posts
March 01 2019 16:58 GMT
#1286
On March 02 2019 01:52 stilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 01:47 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
That Serral vs Innovation is bothering me. At no point Serral was winning the game. He was just sitting around when he could have killed several time Innovation bases.


At least, we know his weakness.


lol wouldn't bank on that based on this game..
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16009 Posts
March 01 2019 16:58 GMT
#1287
On March 02 2019 01:54 JoeCool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 01:47 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
That Serral vs Innovation is bothering me. At no point Serral was winning the game. He was just sitting around when he could have killed several time Innovation bases.


Well Serral already played 4 game prior to the match vs innovation. I think the games where pretty demanding while innovation on the other hand didn't put that much energy into them. Maybe that's an explanation.

yeah Inno didn't put much energy into the first games because he only cared about the game vs Serral. Sure
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
March 01 2019 16:58 GMT
#1288
nice game from Bunny, love his TvZ games
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
March 01 2019 16:58 GMT
#1289
On March 02 2019 01:58 herwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 01:52 stilt wrote:
On March 02 2019 01:47 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
That Serral vs Innovation is bothering me. At no point Serral was winning the game. He was just sitting around when he could have killed several time Innovation bases.


At least, we know his weakness.


lol wouldn't bank on that based on this game..

he also lost in the late vs gumi tho
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-01 16:59:25
March 01 2019 16:58 GMT
#1290
Serral is still on track to win every premier tournament he enters for an entire calendar years, just needs to win IEM and WESG.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
TerranFan
Profile Joined February 2019
48 Posts
March 01 2019 16:59 GMT
#1291
Group C was indeed the group of death. That Innovation and Rogue didn't move on I did not expect that at all.
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
March 01 2019 17:00 GMT
#1292
On March 02 2019 01:58 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 01:54 JoeCool wrote:
On March 02 2019 01:47 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
That Serral vs Innovation is bothering me. At no point Serral was winning the game. He was just sitting around when he could have killed several time Innovation bases.


Well Serral already played 4 game prior to the match vs innovation. I think the games where pretty demanding while innovation on the other hand didn't put that much energy into them. Maybe that's an explanation.

yeah Inno didn't put much energy into the first games because he only cared about the game vs Serral. Sure


I don't know and to be honest I don't care either. Maybe Serral just didn't know what to do. Doesn't matter though.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2754 Posts
March 01 2019 17:01 GMT
#1293
On March 02 2019 01:58 herwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 01:52 stilt wrote:
On March 02 2019 01:47 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
That Serral vs Innovation is bothering me. At no point Serral was winning the game. He was just sitting around when he could have killed several time Innovation bases.


At least, we know his weakness.


lol wouldn't bank on that based on this game..


Two actually which lasted 40 minutes, he had the time to make adjustements.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
March 01 2019 17:01 GMT
#1294
On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:
On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The streak Innovation stopped:

[image loading]


If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa...


Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked.

I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count.

Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right


Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger.

No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive.

People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year.

Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa.


No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1.

Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today.
The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss?
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16105 Posts
March 01 2019 17:01 GMT
#1295
On March 02 2019 01:59 TerranFan wrote:
Group C was indeed the group of death. That Innovation and Rogue didn't move on I did not expect that at all.


I'm not surprised that Inno didn't advance. I am surprised that neither he nor Gumiho did.

We're down to TY and Bunny to give us ANY terrans in the Ro8. I was not expecting that at all before the group stage started and it's really upsetting.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
March 01 2019 17:01 GMT
#1296
On March 02 2019 01:57 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 01:54 JoeCool wrote:
On March 02 2019 01:47 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
That Serral vs Innovation is bothering me. At no point Serral was winning the game. He was just sitting around when he could have killed several time Innovation bases.


Well Serral already played 4 game prior to the match vs innovation. I think the games where pretty demanding while innovation on the other hand didn't put that much energy into them. Maybe that's an explanation.

? thats a ridiculous explanation

As rational as Maru not caring about tournaments that are not GSL
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
March 01 2019 17:01 GMT
#1297
On March 02 2019 01:58 dysenterymd wrote:
Serral is still on track to win every premier tournament he enters for an entire calendar years, just needs to win IEM and WESG.


Sadly TY is in these tournaments too
TL+ Member
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
March 01 2019 17:02 GMT
#1298
Bunny is fucked
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
March 01 2019 17:03 GMT
#1299
On March 02 2019 02:01 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 01:58 dysenterymd wrote:
Serral is still on track to win every premier tournament he enters for an entire calendar years, just needs to win IEM and WESG.


Sadly TY is in these tournaments too


Not in WESG unfortunately
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16105 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-01 17:04:25
March 01 2019 17:03 GMT
#1300
On March 02 2019 02:01 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 01:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 01:54 RaFox17 wrote:
On March 02 2019 01:53 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 02 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:
On March 02 2019 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The streak Innovation stopped:

[image loading]


If it walks like a Bonjwa and sounds like a Bonjwa...


Relax. The vast majority of his wins have been vs a foreigner scene that has been regionlocked.

I don't care how many wins he has, regionlocked foreigner kills do not count.

Luckily he has been killing koreans left and right


Indeed he has, which just makes the first part of that point even stronger.

No one would EVER be calling out the B word if it was just his Korean kill streak that was being considered, after all Maru's kill streak last year was far more impressive.

People are only caring about the streak because of how long it was and it was only as long as it was because he was protected from his best competitors for the majority of the year.

Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of Serral, but his legacy has a MASSIVE asterisk next to it as long as WCS is regionlocked and he refuses to compete in GSL. As long as both of those things are true, I will NEVER call him a bonjwa.


No way on earth Maru's kill streak was better, Serral's win streak korean was bigger and more impressive even considering koreans only. IIRC it was 16-0 before today which makes it 20-0 before losing, compared to Maru's 16-1.

Think whatever you like, Serral still advanced first in the so-called group of Death today.
The unusual thing is usually not losing series, not the opposite. People won tournaments in the past by advancing third in their groups and now a single 1-2 causes all this fuss?


I dont give a single shit about the fact that Innovation beat Serral today. In fact I'm here arguing that Serral's streak is blown completely out of proportion because a majority of it was regionlocked.

We've seen tremendous kill streaks throughout SC2's history. Serral's isn't special, it's only special because he's a foreigner, and when you start taking those special considerations into perspective there are other factors like regionlocking that need to be considered also.

Also, 4 straight GSL championships is WAY more impressive than anything Serral has done so far. That is a fact.
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