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Just wait until Serral has to play Ragnarok. The mere mentioning of the old norse name for the armageddon will invoke deep rooted fears in Serral and see him crumble in terror in the face of the new Korean super zerg
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 01 2019 20:53 imre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2019 20:51 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:49 imre wrote:On March 01 2019 20:49 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:47 Xain0n wrote:On March 01 2019 20:41 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:31 Snakestyle11 wrote:
I dont want to jynx it, but it seems to be Serral is just on another level than any other player in the world. Literally one class above code S.
I have never seen someone dominate other top players in such a convincing fashion with no holes, no weakness. If sc2 can stay esports for a few more years, I wouldnt be surprised if Serral surpasses Flashs level of dominance in broodwar.... If he's so good where are his Code S titles? oO  And as much as I don't like Flash his level of dominance is totally something different. Serral is nowhere near this. And Flash wasn't avoiding the Korean competition in WCS IIRC. Serral can't win Code S if he never plays it; he might do it one day, deal with it for now. Flash in Sc2 wasn't but a pale shade of what he is in BW; you can't compare him to Serral, only korean players are relevant in Brood War and they all play the same tournaments in the same scene. Also, according to Letmelose Nada is the best player in BW's history and there is a strong argument for that. Flash might be the best RTS player of all times but it's highly debatable, look at Moon's accomplishments in Warcraft III. Obviously he was comparing him to Flash in BW and Serral is nowhere near this kind of dominance. Accept it. I think he could be if he was playing Code S. But the way SC2 works he has 0 interest to play something else than the farmer league and global events. Thus the case is closed, isn't it? Comparing different games is stupid to begin with, even in the same genre (who's the best moba player, Faker or Dendi xD) and SC2 & BW only share the same name. They're very very different RTS that tests the RTS skills in a different manner so it's totally pointless to compare BW achievement to SC2 achievement. Except to have utter respect for people who were able to win titles in both. However Serral will be closer and closer to the title of best SC2 player in the history if he keeps up this level of play. I don't remember anyone feeling as dominant as he is.
He. Compared. The. Dominations.
Flash was dominating the hardest competition there is. Serral is occassionally dominating Korean players and is dominating the weaker competition. Don't argue about different games. He can be compared to FC Barcelona football domination which isn't even the same field.
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On March 01 2019 20:54 GoloSC2 wrote:
ragnarok can bleed
ragnarok knows very well he's not as good of a player as rogue
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Serral doing the same build vs Solar. Overlord highway!
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Canada8989 Posts
On March 01 2019 20:54 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Who has had the best splits in sc2? I don't think it's Maru, and it's definitely not Byun.
Dream had amazing split back in the day, but probably Maru yes.
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On March 01 2019 20:55 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2019 20:53 imre wrote:On March 01 2019 20:51 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:49 imre wrote:On March 01 2019 20:49 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:47 Xain0n wrote:On March 01 2019 20:41 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:31 Snakestyle11 wrote:
I dont want to jynx it, but it seems to be Serral is just on another level than any other player in the world. Literally one class above code S.
I have never seen someone dominate other top players in such a convincing fashion with no holes, no weakness. If sc2 can stay esports for a few more years, I wouldnt be surprised if Serral surpasses Flashs level of dominance in broodwar.... If he's so good where are his Code S titles? oO And as much as I don't like Flash his level of dominance is totally something different. Serral is nowhere near this. And Flash wasn't avoiding the Korean competition in WCS IIRC. Serral can't win Code S if he never plays it; he might do it one day, deal with it for now. Flash in Sc2 wasn't but a pale shade of what he is in BW; you can't compare him to Serral, only korean players are relevant in Brood War and they all play the same tournaments in the same scene. Also, according to Letmelose Nada is the best player in BW's history and there is a strong argument for that. Flash might be the best RTS player of all times but it's highly debatable, look at Moon's accomplishments in Warcraft III. Obviously he was comparing him to Flash in BW and Serral is nowhere near this kind of dominance. Accept it. I think he could be if he was playing Code S. But the way SC2 works he has 0 interest to play something else than the farmer league and global events. Thus the case is closed, isn't it? Comparing different games is stupid to begin with, even in the same genre (who's the best moba player, Faker or Dendi xD) and SC2 & BW only share the same name. They're very very different RTS that tests the RTS skills in a different manner so it's totally pointless to compare BW achievement to SC2 achievement. Except to have utter respect for people who were able to win titles in both. However Serral will be closer and closer to the title of best SC2 player in the history if he keeps up this level of play. I don't remember anyone feeling as dominant as he is. He. Compared. The. Dominations. Flash was dominating the hardest competition there is. Serral is occassionally dominating Korean players and is dominating the weaker competition. Don't argue about different games. He can be compared to FC Barcelona football domination which isn't even the same field.
occassionally dominating : >
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Now Serral is using nydus build.
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whines = widow mines
it's a thing
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On March 01 2019 20:56 herwo wrote:ragnarok knows very well he's not as good of a player as rogue
Ragjwa next best Zerg.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 01 2019 20:56 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2019 20:55 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:53 imre wrote:On March 01 2019 20:51 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:49 imre wrote:On March 01 2019 20:49 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:47 Xain0n wrote:On March 01 2019 20:41 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:31 Snakestyle11 wrote:
I dont want to jynx it, but it seems to be Serral is just on another level than any other player in the world. Literally one class above code S.
I have never seen someone dominate other top players in such a convincing fashion with no holes, no weakness. If sc2 can stay esports for a few more years, I wouldnt be surprised if Serral surpasses Flashs level of dominance in broodwar.... If he's so good where are his Code S titles? oO And as much as I don't like Flash his level of dominance is totally something different. Serral is nowhere near this. And Flash wasn't avoiding the Korean competition in WCS IIRC. Serral can't win Code S if he never plays it; he might do it one day, deal with it for now. Flash in Sc2 wasn't but a pale shade of what he is in BW; you can't compare him to Serral, only korean players are relevant in Brood War and they all play the same tournaments in the same scene. Also, according to Letmelose Nada is the best player in BW's history and there is a strong argument for that. Flash might be the best RTS player of all times but it's highly debatable, look at Moon's accomplishments in Warcraft III. Obviously he was comparing him to Flash in BW and Serral is nowhere near this kind of dominance. Accept it. I think he could be if he was playing Code S. But the way SC2 works he has 0 interest to play something else than the farmer league and global events. Thus the case is closed, isn't it? Comparing different games is stupid to begin with, even in the same genre (who's the best moba player, Faker or Dendi xD) and SC2 & BW only share the same name. They're very very different RTS that tests the RTS skills in a different manner so it's totally pointless to compare BW achievement to SC2 achievement. Except to have utter respect for people who were able to win titles in both. However Serral will be closer and closer to the title of best SC2 player in the history if he keeps up this level of play. I don't remember anyone feeling as dominant as he is. He. Compared. The. Dominations. Flash was dominating the hardest competition there is. Serral is occassionally dominating Korean players and is dominating the weaker competition. Don't argue about different games. He can be compared to FC Barcelona football domination which isn't even the same field. occassionally dominating : >
Feel free to replace the words with a better choice :> he's avoiding GSL thus he's not fully dominating them.
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On March 01 2019 20:55 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2019 20:53 imre wrote:On March 01 2019 20:51 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:49 imre wrote:On March 01 2019 20:49 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:47 Xain0n wrote:On March 01 2019 20:41 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:31 Snakestyle11 wrote:
I dont want to jynx it, but it seems to be Serral is just on another level than any other player in the world. Literally one class above code S.
I have never seen someone dominate other top players in such a convincing fashion with no holes, no weakness. If sc2 can stay esports for a few more years, I wouldnt be surprised if Serral surpasses Flashs level of dominance in broodwar.... If he's so good where are his Code S titles? oO And as much as I don't like Flash his level of dominance is totally something different. Serral is nowhere near this. And Flash wasn't avoiding the Korean competition in WCS IIRC. Serral can't win Code S if he never plays it; he might do it one day, deal with it for now. Flash in Sc2 wasn't but a pale shade of what he is in BW; you can't compare him to Serral, only korean players are relevant in Brood War and they all play the same tournaments in the same scene. Also, according to Letmelose Nada is the best player in BW's history and there is a strong argument for that. Flash might be the best RTS player of all times but it's highly debatable, look at Moon's accomplishments in Warcraft III. Obviously he was comparing him to Flash in BW and Serral is nowhere near this kind of dominance. Accept it. I think he could be if he was playing Code S. But the way SC2 works he has 0 interest to play something else than the farmer league and global events. Thus the case is closed, isn't it? Comparing different games is stupid to begin with, even in the same genre (who's the best moba player, Faker or Dendi xD) and SC2 & BW only share the same name. They're very very different RTS that tests the RTS skills in a different manner so it's totally pointless to compare BW achievement to SC2 achievement. Except to have utter respect for people who were able to win titles in both. However Serral will be closer and closer to the title of best SC2 player in the history if he keeps up this level of play. I don't remember anyone feeling as dominant as he is. Zest, Life, Inno, Mvp...
Zest always had this PvZ shackiness, Life had some huge ups but no real consistency.
Inno early 2013 is comparable but he didn't have the same string of results (tilting and losing vs SK is something Serral has not done yet). Mvp 2011 was quite godlike but still not the same consistency.
What's the last boX lost by serral against a kr player (not even counting foreigner). Only disappointing loss in like a year is the 2-0 vs soO at NW.
And i'm a huge kr fanboy but he looks so much better than his opponent in most of his games it's unreal.
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On March 01 2019 20:57 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2019 20:56 herwo wrote:On March 01 2019 20:54 GoloSC2 wrote:
ragnarok can bleed ragnarok knows very well he's not as good of a player as rogue Ragjwa next best Zerg.
he's great but i think his match against innovation will be more interesting than zvz vs rogue
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Are we just casually forgetting Maru winning 3 Code S's in a row? If we're talking about dominance then what Maru did in 2018 was almost completely unheard of in the history of Starcraft 2 (if we forget about Mvp 2011-2012 for a second).
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On March 01 2019 20:55 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2019 20:53 imre wrote:On March 01 2019 20:51 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:49 imre wrote:On March 01 2019 20:49 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:47 Xain0n wrote:On March 01 2019 20:41 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:31 Snakestyle11 wrote:
I dont want to jynx it, but it seems to be Serral is just on another level than any other player in the world. Literally one class above code S.
I have never seen someone dominate other top players in such a convincing fashion with no holes, no weakness. If sc2 can stay esports for a few more years, I wouldnt be surprised if Serral surpasses Flashs level of dominance in broodwar.... If he's so good where are his Code S titles? oO And as much as I don't like Flash his level of dominance is totally something different. Serral is nowhere near this. And Flash wasn't avoiding the Korean competition in WCS IIRC. Serral can't win Code S if he never plays it; he might do it one day, deal with it for now. Flash in Sc2 wasn't but a pale shade of what he is in BW; you can't compare him to Serral, only korean players are relevant in Brood War and they all play the same tournaments in the same scene. Also, according to Letmelose Nada is the best player in BW's history and there is a strong argument for that. Flash might be the best RTS player of all times but it's highly debatable, look at Moon's accomplishments in Warcraft III. Obviously he was comparing him to Flash in BW and Serral is nowhere near this kind of dominance. Accept it. I think he could be if he was playing Code S. But the way SC2 works he has 0 interest to play something else than the farmer league and global events. Thus the case is closed, isn't it? Comparing different games is stupid to begin with, even in the same genre (who's the best moba player, Faker or Dendi xD) and SC2 & BW only share the same name. They're very very different RTS that tests the RTS skills in a different manner so it's totally pointless to compare BW achievement to SC2 achievement. Except to have utter respect for people who were able to win titles in both. However Serral will be closer and closer to the title of best SC2 player in the history if he keeps up this level of play. I don't remember anyone feeling as dominant as he is. Zest, Life, Inno, Mvp...
Zest has a point in 2014 but none of them seems to be so consistant (well, if serral loses it, I might reconsider this statement) even if the first 3 played in a more competitive area/region hence why Life will always be the number 1 zerg and even sc2 player for me.
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On March 01 2019 20:57 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2019 20:56 Aeromi wrote:On March 01 2019 20:55 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:53 imre wrote:On March 01 2019 20:51 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:49 imre wrote:On March 01 2019 20:49 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:47 Xain0n wrote:On March 01 2019 20:41 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:31 Snakestyle11 wrote:
I dont want to jynx it, but it seems to be Serral is just on another level than any other player in the world. Literally one class above code S.
I have never seen someone dominate other top players in such a convincing fashion with no holes, no weakness. If sc2 can stay esports for a few more years, I wouldnt be surprised if Serral surpasses Flashs level of dominance in broodwar.... If he's so good where are his Code S titles? oO And as much as I don't like Flash his level of dominance is totally something different. Serral is nowhere near this. And Flash wasn't avoiding the Korean competition in WCS IIRC. Serral can't win Code S if he never plays it; he might do it one day, deal with it for now. Flash in Sc2 wasn't but a pale shade of what he is in BW; you can't compare him to Serral, only korean players are relevant in Brood War and they all play the same tournaments in the same scene. Also, according to Letmelose Nada is the best player in BW's history and there is a strong argument for that. Flash might be the best RTS player of all times but it's highly debatable, look at Moon's accomplishments in Warcraft III. Obviously he was comparing him to Flash in BW and Serral is nowhere near this kind of dominance. Accept it. I think he could be if he was playing Code S. But the way SC2 works he has 0 interest to play something else than the farmer league and global events. Thus the case is closed, isn't it? Comparing different games is stupid to begin with, even in the same genre (who's the best moba player, Faker or Dendi xD) and SC2 & BW only share the same name. They're very very different RTS that tests the RTS skills in a different manner so it's totally pointless to compare BW achievement to SC2 achievement. Except to have utter respect for people who were able to win titles in both. However Serral will be closer and closer to the title of best SC2 player in the history if he keeps up this level of play. I don't remember anyone feeling as dominant as he is. He. Compared. The. Dominations. Flash was dominating the hardest competition there is. Serral is occassionally dominating Korean players and is dominating the weaker competition. Don't argue about different games. He can be compared to FC Barcelona football domination which isn't even the same field. occassionally dominating : > Feel free to replace the words with a better choice :> he's avoiding GSL thus he's not fully dominating them.
The last time he lost against a Korean player was in March 2018, almost a year. It is a smart decision not to play GSL financially wise.
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France12885 Posts
On March 01 2019 20:58 imre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2019 20:55 Charoisaur wrote:On March 01 2019 20:53 imre wrote:On March 01 2019 20:51 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:49 imre wrote:On March 01 2019 20:49 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:47 Xain0n wrote:On March 01 2019 20:41 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:31 Snakestyle11 wrote:
I dont want to jynx it, but it seems to be Serral is just on another level than any other player in the world. Literally one class above code S.
I have never seen someone dominate other top players in such a convincing fashion with no holes, no weakness. If sc2 can stay esports for a few more years, I wouldnt be surprised if Serral surpasses Flashs level of dominance in broodwar.... If he's so good where are his Code S titles? oO And as much as I don't like Flash his level of dominance is totally something different. Serral is nowhere near this. And Flash wasn't avoiding the Korean competition in WCS IIRC. Serral can't win Code S if he never plays it; he might do it one day, deal with it for now. Flash in Sc2 wasn't but a pale shade of what he is in BW; you can't compare him to Serral, only korean players are relevant in Brood War and they all play the same tournaments in the same scene. Also, according to Letmelose Nada is the best player in BW's history and there is a strong argument for that. Flash might be the best RTS player of all times but it's highly debatable, look at Moon's accomplishments in Warcraft III. Obviously he was comparing him to Flash in BW and Serral is nowhere near this kind of dominance. Accept it. I think he could be if he was playing Code S. But the way SC2 works he has 0 interest to play something else than the farmer league and global events. Thus the case is closed, isn't it? Comparing different games is stupid to begin with, even in the same genre (who's the best moba player, Faker or Dendi xD) and SC2 & BW only share the same name. They're very very different RTS that tests the RTS skills in a different manner so it's totally pointless to compare BW achievement to SC2 achievement. Except to have utter respect for people who were able to win titles in both. However Serral will be closer and closer to the title of best SC2 player in the history if he keeps up this level of play. I don't remember anyone feeling as dominant as he is. Zest, Life, Inno, Mvp... Zest always had this PvZ shackiness, Life had some huge ups but no real consistency. Inno early 2013 is comparable but he didn't have the same string of results (tilting and losing vs SK is something Serral has not done yet). Mvp 2011 was quite godlike but still not the same consistency. What's the last boX lost by serral against a kr player (not even counting foreigner). Only disappointing loss in like a year is the 2-0 vs soO at NW. And i'm a huge kr fanboy but he looks so much better than his opponent in most of his games it's unreal.
PvZ shackiness? So what is Serral ZvT then?
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On March 01 2019 20:58 Jasper_Ty wrote:
Are we just casually forgetting Maru winning 3 Code S's in a row? If we're talking about dominance then what Maru did in 2018 was almost completely unheard of in the history of Starcraft 2 (if we forget about Mvp 2011-2012 for a second).
depends who you mean by "we"
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On March 01 2019 20:58 Jasper_Ty wrote:
Are we just casually forgetting Maru winning 3 Code S's in a row? If we're talking about dominance then what Maru did in 2018 was almost completely unheard of in the history of Starcraft 2 (if we forget about Mvp 2011-2012 for a second).
problem is that Maru lost every other tournament in the meanwhile :/ but yes 3 code S in a row is crazy and what he did to the korean scene was incredible.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 01 2019 20:58 imre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2019 20:55 Charoisaur wrote:On March 01 2019 20:53 imre wrote:On March 01 2019 20:51 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:49 imre wrote:On March 01 2019 20:49 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:47 Xain0n wrote:On March 01 2019 20:41 deacon.frost wrote:On March 01 2019 20:31 Snakestyle11 wrote:
I dont want to jynx it, but it seems to be Serral is just on another level than any other player in the world. Literally one class above code S.
I have never seen someone dominate other top players in such a convincing fashion with no holes, no weakness. If sc2 can stay esports for a few more years, I wouldnt be surprised if Serral surpasses Flashs level of dominance in broodwar.... If he's so good where are his Code S titles? oO And as much as I don't like Flash his level of dominance is totally something different. Serral is nowhere near this. And Flash wasn't avoiding the Korean competition in WCS IIRC. Serral can't win Code S if he never plays it; he might do it one day, deal with it for now. Flash in Sc2 wasn't but a pale shade of what he is in BW; you can't compare him to Serral, only korean players are relevant in Brood War and they all play the same tournaments in the same scene. Also, according to Letmelose Nada is the best player in BW's history and there is a strong argument for that. Flash might be the best RTS player of all times but it's highly debatable, look at Moon's accomplishments in Warcraft III. Obviously he was comparing him to Flash in BW and Serral is nowhere near this kind of dominance. Accept it. I think he could be if he was playing Code S. But the way SC2 works he has 0 interest to play something else than the farmer league and global events. Thus the case is closed, isn't it? Comparing different games is stupid to begin with, even in the same genre (who's the best moba player, Faker or Dendi xD) and SC2 & BW only share the same name. They're very very different RTS that tests the RTS skills in a different manner so it's totally pointless to compare BW achievement to SC2 achievement. Except to have utter respect for people who were able to win titles in both. However Serral will be closer and closer to the title of best SC2 player in the history if he keeps up this level of play. I don't remember anyone feeling as dominant as he is. Zest, Life, Inno, Mvp... Zest always had this PvZ shackiness, Life had some huge ups but no real consistency. Inno early 2013 is comparable but he didn't have the same string of results (tilting and losing vs SK is something Serral has not done yet). Mvp 2011 was quite godlike but still not the same consistency. What's the last boX lost by serral against a kr player (not even counting foreigner). Only disappointing loss in like a year is the 2-0 vs soO at NW. And i'm a huge kr fanboy but he looks so much better than his opponent in most of his games it's unreal.
What's his last game against a good Terran who was in form? Inno out of form doens't count. His weakness is TvZ but he has bracket luck for this. The last blizzcon - his biggest enemies were TY and Maru and he didn't play any of those. Inno still looks out of shape, Gumi is Gumi and Maru fucked up. Therefore we can hope for Stats or TY to be in shape.
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On March 01 2019 21:00 imre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2019 20:58 Jasper_Ty wrote:
Are we just casually forgetting Maru winning 3 Code S's in a row? If we're talking about dominance then what Maru did in 2018 was almost completely unheard of in the history of Starcraft 2 (if we forget about Mvp 2011-2012 for a second). problem is that Maru lost every other tournament in the meanwhile :/ but yes 3 code S in a row is crazy and what he did to the korean scene was incredible.
"every other tournament" except WESG
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