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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-01 14:00:51
February 01 2019 08:44 GMT
#1

WCS 2019


eu Friday, Feb 01 3:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
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(Wiki)2019 WCS Winter/Europe
(Wiki)2019 WCS Winter/Americas

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uk WCS

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Format

  • First Group Stage:

  • 32 players in 8 groups of 4 players each, played in a Dual Tournament
  • All Matches are Bo3.
  • Top 2 players of each group advance to Group Stage 2.

Map Pool



Group A


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(T)HeRoMaRinE vs (P)SKillous
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(P)MaNa vs (P)ShaDoWn


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(Z)Scarlett vs (P)PiLiPiLi
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(T)Expect vs (T)Epic


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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
February 01 2019 09:16 GMT
#2
Is it just my computer screen or does the protoss icon beside SKillous look very large?

In any case, I'm thinking Mana and Heromarine and Scarlett and Pilipili advance. Definitely rooting for Scarlett!
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
February 01 2019 09:21 GMT
#3
Yeah working on fixing that gotta suffer it atm sorry xD
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-01 09:47:06
February 01 2019 09:46 GMT
#4
Heromarine #1, Shadown #2

Scarlett #1, Epic #2

I hope Heromarine is in a good form, else he could become 3rd too.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6931 Posts
February 01 2019 11:01 GMT
#5
So many dark horses in the Group Phase 1....

Guessing Heromarine and Mana (TL bias) as well as Scarlett and Epic
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 01 2019 12:15 GMT
#6
Going to vote for Skillous and Expect to top the groups as they are vampires or some shit.
Zerg for Life
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
February 01 2019 12:44 GMT
#7
In before MaNa builds more than 16 probes in b1 minerals into lose
WriterMaru
RainStorm148
Profile Joined July 2018
20 Posts
February 01 2019 13:30 GMT
#8
MaNa fighting!
AlgeriaT
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden2197 Posts
February 01 2019 14:22 GMT
#9
Cmon Scarlett
CORN GIRL + Flash + FanTaSy + CholeraSC + iNcontroL 4 eva <3
William paradise
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1753 Posts
February 01 2019 14:41 GMT
#10
Scarlett goin to win thats why her photo is on front page tl knows the future
ok
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-01 15:16:58
February 01 2019 15:09 GMT
#11
Just as a reminder that everyone here is old, here's a photo of Skillous.

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Edit: Does it show with a black background for everyone else?
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
February 01 2019 15:16 GMT
#12
Wow, Skillous played that really well. Hype? :D
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
February 01 2019 15:38 GMT
#13
Gabe with big dick build in g3
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 01 2019 15:46 GMT
#14
wow what did i just tune in for?
i haven't even heard of this guy before but he's playing damn well
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
February 01 2019 15:52 GMT
#15
That was a nice Protoss game.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
TrashEconomy
Profile Joined August 2018
25 Posts
February 01 2019 15:53 GMT
#16
That was the worst Protossing I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot of Protossings.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
February 01 2019 15:54 GMT
#17
I guess uThermal, TY etc are right?
Damn that's depressing
WriterMaru
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-01 15:55:07
February 01 2019 15:54 GMT
#18
On February 02 2019 00:53 TrashEconomy wrote:
That was the worst Protossing I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot of Protossings.


I'd argue you haven't if you thing that was anything.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-01 16:03:49
February 01 2019 15:56 GMT
#19
After seeing his harder times last year it was nice to see SKillous play a rather solid series overall considering it's on the bigger stage.
why even
TrashEconomy
Profile Joined August 2018
25 Posts
February 01 2019 15:58 GMT
#20
On February 02 2019 00:54 Mozdk wrote:
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On February 02 2019 00:53 TrashEconomy wrote:
That was the worst Protossing I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot of Protossings.


I'd argue you haven't if you thing that was anything.


I've never seen one so blatantly ridiculous as that one, on a major stage like this.

1. Forgot Charge and lost a billion zealots for free while a base ahead

2. Expanded while this was happening and defended the push

3. Teched to Colossi

4. Made a 5th base

5. Lost all Colossi

6. Made a 6th base while attacking with more Colossi

7. Against an objectively superior player who did a greedy 3CC build

My God
Mlord
Profile Joined February 2013
France135 Posts
February 01 2019 16:01 GMT
#21
He played decent like any 6K+ protoss would do, he did a major misstakes that cost him 30 supply and let heromarine, who is the probably the best terran foreigner in this type of game, get away with one of the most greedy build he can play, Tvp midgame is insane no matter who you are and no matter who you play against, hope maru ty and innovation get crushed by inferior protoss player in GSL to make blizzard react, i doubt they can find any nerf to protoss without breaking PvZ and making terran too strong considering that early game and lategame are fine, but one of the two not reachable, hope i underestimate the balance team that will be a rough task to make it decently fair
Progamer
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 01 2019 16:03 GMT
#22
it looks a little rough for terran mid/late but I am excited to see innovation win gsl anyways
Mlord
Profile Joined February 2013
France135 Posts
February 01 2019 16:05 GMT
#23
Lategame is fine if you reach it evenly, the interaction between the newthor/new tempest and BC/carrier make it pretty even , props to the blizzard team on this one
Progamer
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3511 Posts
February 01 2019 16:06 GMT
#24
On February 02 2019 01:05 Mlord wrote:
Lategame is fine if you reach it evenly, the interaction between the newthor/new tempest and BC/carrier make it pretty even , props to the blizzard team on this one

So what would you say is the biggest problem in the midgame right now? Chrono?
Mlord
Profile Joined February 2013
France135 Posts
February 01 2019 16:14 GMT
#25
I'm obviously biased, but i feel like its a pack of insanity that we have to deal with, chronoboost is insane, the fact that toss can expand more than a zerg thanks to recall, warpin and battery shield, and if its not enough every tech unit you are gonna add to your army is gonna make your army go from very strong to insanely strong to unbeatable, for example, the addition of disruptor to a colossus army makes it insane, if you want to win a fight vs colossus you need a good concave and non stop shooting from your army, thats how the game works, but also the disruptor force you to split so you can't shoot, nobody is gonna split perfectly right but even if you do so you miss alot of DPS with your army, which makes it even or good for the protoss, + the fact that you can easily run back and save your army from a bad engagement with storm or disruptor, while if you take a bad fight as terran you get blinked on and its pretty much over . TvP early got nerfed but remains totally duable, but as you just witnessed a good blindcounter and you are losing to a way inferior player... so i'm not sure what blizzard should do, but considering how insane protoss army is, i think aiming at his mobility would be a good choice, so maybe a huge recall nerf but it's obviously hard to know if it would be enough/change much
Progamer
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-01 16:17:40
February 01 2019 16:15 GMT
#26
Wasn't ZG suppose to be casting, did she cancel?

Edit: Haha Mana with the Alphastar probe strats
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Dani_jug
Profile Joined February 2019
2 Posts
February 01 2019 16:18 GMT
#27
Do you think that pure marine/marauder is viable against colossi/archon/immortal?
Then do you think that a LOT of vikings is viable against an army "without" collossi?
For me it looks that skillous benefits from his map control. He really had prefect map control and perfect understanding of "what he plays agains", while Heromarine were in dark for the most of the game.
This is why Skillous had 5th uncontended, this is why his army mix was always one step ahead of HeroMarine's one.
Looked like quite a dumb brute-force from player who is supposed to be better player. But not in this game at all.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
February 01 2019 16:20 GMT
#28
On February 02 2019 01:15 Nakajin wrote:
Wasn't ZG suppose to be casting, did she cancel?

Edit: Haha Mana with the Alphastar probe strats

She is casting next week.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 01 2019 16:25 GMT
#29
On February 02 2019 01:20 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2019 01:15 Nakajin wrote:
Wasn't ZG suppose to be casting, did she cancel?

Edit: Haha Mana with the Alphastar probe strats

She is casting next week.


Thanks, do you know if we are loosing someone in exchange?
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2385 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-01 16:56:31
February 01 2019 16:52 GMT
#30
great to see so much new protoss talent coming into the scene recently
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Progamer
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4009 Posts
February 01 2019 16:54 GMT
#31
haha Scarlett with memes
Drone is a way of living
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3511 Posts
February 01 2019 16:56 GMT
#32
On February 02 2019 01:52 Scarlett` wrote:
great to see so much new protoss talent coming into the scene recently

Need that new protoss talent to fight the new Zerg talent from last year
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2385 Posts
February 01 2019 17:01 GMT
#33
On February 02 2019 01:14 Mlord wrote:
I'm obviously biased, but i feel like its a pack of insanity that we have to deal with, chronoboost is insane, the fact that toss can expand more than a zerg thanks to recall, warpin and battery shield, and if its not enough every tech unit you are gonna add to your army is gonna make your army go from very strong to insanely strong to unbeatable, for example, the addition of disruptor to a colossus army makes it insane, if you want to win a fight vs colossus you need a good concave and non stop shooting from your army, thats how the game works, but also the disruptor force you to split so you can't shoot, nobody is gonna split perfectly right but even if you do so you miss alot of DPS with your army, which makes it even or good for the protoss, + the fact that you can easily run back and save your army from a bad engagement with storm or disruptor, while if you take a bad fight as terran you get blinked on and its pretty much over . TvP early got nerfed but remains totally duable, but as you just witnessed a good blindcounter and you are losing to a way inferior player... so i'm not sure what blizzard should do, but considering how insane protoss army is, i think aiming at his mobility would be a good choice, so maybe a huge recall nerf but it's obviously hard to know if it would be enough/change much

not to mention the observer and hallucination buffs make it so they get full scouting with any opening and you have to struggle to see part of their base
Progamer
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
February 01 2019 17:01 GMT
#34
On February 02 2019 01:52 Scarlett` wrote:
great to see so much new protoss talent coming into the scene recently
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

We've got some new Terran talent as well, I think that Marinelord dude has a lot of potential
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 01 2019 17:03 GMT
#35
On February 02 2019 02:01 yht9657 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2019 01:52 Scarlett` wrote:
great to see so much new protoss talent coming into the scene recently
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

We've got some new Terran talent as well, I think that Marinelord dude has a lot of potential


Don't forget that Kas fellow that just qualified!
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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10080 Posts
February 01 2019 17:06 GMT
#36
those novas X.X
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 01 2019 17:28 GMT
#37
This is getting a bit sad
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
VengefulTree
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada637 Posts
February 01 2019 17:30 GMT
#38
Shadown seems like a specialist at running away scaredly from mass liberators XD
"I'll temper my comments the best I can. To have Stats ranked anything below 2nd is total absolute bullcrap! A travesty an abomination!" - Rolltide | "When a foreign Terran is about to win, the entire universe conspires against him" - Paulo Coelho
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
February 01 2019 17:31 GMT
#39
That was a major oof by Shadown.
why even
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
February 01 2019 17:33 GMT
#40
On February 02 2019 02:30 VengefulTree wrote:
Shadown seems like a specialist at running away scaredly from mass liberators XD

tbh that's basically the only thing you can do when you realise none of your units could fly.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
February 01 2019 17:39 GMT
#41
InControl likes the dark ones.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 01 2019 17:45 GMT
#42
JESUS that stasis
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
February 01 2019 17:47 GMT
#43
When could these players realise you can't kill the stasis unless you could fully surround it with probes.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
February 01 2019 18:26 GMT
#44
thank god! gj Gabe!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
February 01 2019 18:32 GMT
#45
What's this about Gabe saying he would have retired if he didn't make it out of this group? Anyone have a link to a tweet or whatever is the source?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 01 2019 18:42 GMT
#46
This NA group has great meme potential
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 01 2019 18:43 GMT
#47
Geoff's Finnish accent , probably the best thing ever
Zerg for Life
AngelicFruitcake
Profile Joined January 2019
Sweden5 Posts
February 01 2019 18:52 GMT
#48
I missed Scarlett's first game! Was it quick and brutal?
“You are the sky. Everything else – it’s just the weather.”
AlgeriaT
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden2197 Posts
February 01 2019 19:00 GMT
#49
On February 02 2019 03:52 AngelicFruitcake wrote:
I missed Scarlett's first game! Was it quick and brutal?

Yep~
CORN GIRL + Flash + FanTaSy + CholeraSC + iNcontroL 4 eva <3
Tempest
Profile Joined October 2015
United States147 Posts
February 01 2019 20:04 GMT
#50
On February 02 2019 01:52 Scarlett` wrote:
great to see so much new protoss talent coming into the scene recently
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I was actually really hoping to see your protoss winrates, I know you play toss well.
Quick, think of some pithy cliche and toss it here
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
February 01 2019 20:32 GMT
#51
so Scarlett playing in this and GSL, i wish korea had ban foreigners...
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 01 2019 20:37 GMT
#52
Someone need to call Expect right now and tell him to proxy rax
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
February 01 2019 21:00 GMT
#53
That seemed to have annoyed InControl
Plebsmeister
Profile Joined February 2019
15 Posts
February 01 2019 21:06 GMT
#54
Can anyone explain why Epic here?
This guy like worst player i saw in wcs quals for like 5 years

User was temp banned for this post.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 01 2019 21:07 GMT
#55
Shura as expected 😎
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 01 2019 21:09 GMT
#56
On February 02 2019 06:06 Plebsmeister wrote:
Can anyone explain why Epic here?
This guy like worst player i saw in wcs quals for like 5 years

Well he just 2-0 another one so he probably ain't the worst one
Altought his tvt dosen't seems great right now.

Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 01 2019 21:26 GMT
#57
Good Production and casting all day. Scarlett made it look so easy.
Zerg for Life
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-01 21:30:19
February 01 2019 21:29 GMT
#58
Insane. Expect owned Epic in the first series pretty bad and Epic had several really bad moments today and yet he managed to win the rematch.
VengefulTree
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada637 Posts
February 01 2019 21:33 GMT
#59
On February 02 2019 06:06 Plebsmeister wrote:
Can anyone explain why Epic here?
This guy like worst player i saw in wcs quals for like 5 years


Hey, looking forward to see how you perform in your first high profile match with thousands of viewers and Incontrol & co casting, I'm sure you'll be unfazed
"I'll temper my comments the best I can. To have Stats ranked anything below 2nd is total absolute bullcrap! A travesty an abomination!" - Rolltide | "When a foreign Terran is about to win, the entire universe conspires against him" - Paulo Coelho
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 01 2019 21:37 GMT
#60
On February 02 2019 06:06 Plebsmeister wrote:
Can anyone explain why Epic here?
This guy like worst player i saw in wcs quals for like 5 years


welp, you must feel like a fucking jackass
Zerg for Life
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-01 21:50:56
February 01 2019 21:50 GMT
#61
On February 02 2019 06:37 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2019 06:06 Plebsmeister wrote:
Can anyone explain why Epic here?
This guy like worst player i saw in wcs quals for like 5 years


welp, you must feel like a fucking jackass

To be fair, he had some pretty garbage plays today. It's easy to shit on the guy now, but when he posted this he was just exaggerating but wasn't wrong at the time.
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
February 01 2019 23:12 GMT
#62
any good games today?
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
February 02 2019 02:01 GMT
#63
On February 02 2019 06:29 HolydaKing wrote:
Insane. Expect owned Epic in the first series pretty bad and Epic had several really bad moments today and yet he managed to win the rematch.


The rematch curse is the strongest curse, maybe even stronger than the curse of Kong.
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