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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Map Pool Matches![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1850.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/4792.jpg)  Maru vs  ShoWTimE![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/611.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1173.jpg) Stats vs SpeCial![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/4567.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/663.jpg)  Serral vs INnoVation![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/4729.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/680.jpg) Dark vs ClassicSemi Finals TBA vs TBA TBA vs TBA ResultsCSS: FO-nTTaX Awesomeness: Panda Banner: GSL | ||
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Poll: Serral vs Kelazhur Serral Wins (70) Kelazhur Wins (5) 75 total votes Your vote: Serral vs Kelazhur Poll: Rogue vs INnoVation Rogue (46) INnoVation (30) 76 total votes Your vote: Rogue vs INnoVation Poll: Neeb vs Dark Dark Wins (55) Neeb Wins (19) 74 total votes Your vote: Neeb vs Dark | ||
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Vutalisk
United States680 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Serral 3-1 Kelazhur Rogue 3-2 BogusNeeb 2-3 DarkClassic 2-3 ScarlettIf Bogus is back, things are gonna get cray cray in this tournament | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
Neeb is good, but he seems to have these mental roadblocks periodically, so we'll see where his mental state is at. I don't really have much confidence in Classic's LAN performance vs Zerg, so I think it depends on which Scarlett shows up. | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
Classic Scarlett is in theory interesting since Classic's PvZ can be questionable but Scarlett won't have time to sit back and figure out what went wrong like Reynor was able to do in GSL and Classic is easily 3 tiers higher than Scarlett as a player. PvZ is reasonably balanced if beyond boring to watch, so there will be no replay of Scarlett cheesing out a much, much, much better player. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
INnoVation 3-1 Dark 3-0 Classic 3-0 | ||
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JabuSeika
United States607 Posts
I think Neeb has a better chance than that. | ||
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sneakyfox
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pvsnp
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FrkFrJss
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On August 03 2018 07:48 pvsnp wrote: Only caught Maru vs soO yeaterday but apparently that was the only one worth watching anyhow. Hopefully there will be better series today. Meh, Showtime vs Zest was worth a look even despite Zest's boneheaded play. Has vs Special g1 was also extremely entertaining | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On August 03 2018 04:28 Vutalisk wrote: I expect Neeb vs Dark and Rogue vs Inno will be good. The rest I won't keep my hope up. Just hope they won't be too awful like Day 1 games. On August 03 2018 06:31 JabuSeika wrote: Neeb vs Dark is skewed a bit. I think Neeb has a better chance than that. Did you guys not watch their series in GSL? Dark spanked Neeb. Maybe not on the level of when they met at Blizzcon, but badly. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
Rogue 3-2 INnoVation - Rogue's ZvT is nasty good. I do believe that INno is in much better form than he has been (and the community is still overrating him) and I do think he'll show up to this series playing well, but it's tough to imagine an on-top-of-things Rogue actually losing to someone who isn't Maru in this matchup. Dark 3-1 Neeb - Their GSL set was not particularly interesting, and I do think Neeb has historically struggled with Korean zergs (you might hate Serral for losing to korean terrans, but Neeb has now lost out of Blizzcon twice, IEM Katowice this year, and nearly GSL quals to korean zergs.) so it's tough to predict him making much of a splash. That being said I'm kind of iffy on Dark and I do think we'll see closer matches than the expectation may dictate. This is going to be our first real korean-foreigner test, and if Neeb does get an upset, it's going to make me very giddy about the potential of the foreign scene. If Neeb gets smacked down like he did in GSL, it's a good indicator that we should hold our horses. Classic 3-2 Scarlett - Both players in iffy form, but Scarlett way more than Classic. That being said, Scarlett does have a habit of showing up to these things in good form, and Classic did lose to Reynor who I consider to be probably worse than Scarlett in a preparation-heavy setting, so an upset isn't out of the question. Should be a fun set, and a dark horse for most entertaining set of the tournament (although it's going to be tough to pry that away from Maru/soO and, I presume, Rogue/INno). General thoughts : Good day 1 for the field. Maru suffering while SpeCial and ShoWTimE look to be in good form is a big plus for the entertainment level of this tournament going forward. I liked how soO played, and it's going to be exciting to see him give it one last go in Super Tournament. I put the odds of title championship at 60% for Maru, 30% for other koreans (Rogue and Stats at 7.5%, Classic, INno and Dark at 5%.) and 10% for a foreigner, mainly Serral if Maru does falter out early and the bracket opens up for him. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On August 03 2018 09:19 Boggyb wrote: Did you guys not watch their series in GSL? Dark spanked Neeb. Maybe not on the level of when they met at Blizzcon, but badly. When one game was a build order loss, I don't take too much stock in a single bo3. soO also played horribly in the ro32 and yet was very close to defeating Maru, who, although not as strong in TvZ as his TvP, is still very strong in the matchup. I agree that Neeb is the underdog, but he's also underperformed at times against Korean Zergs. | ||
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Rodya
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Serral 3 - 1 KelazurRogue 3 - 2 INnoVationDark 3 - 0 NeebClassic 3 - 1 ScarlettRogue vs Inno and Classic vs Scarlett will be the most interesting matchups, although it will be nice to root for Serral to lose in first round at first, I'm pretty sure he will advance. Maybe not, though. By the way, after hearing Maru's comments about how much he doesn't like playing TvZ currently and seeing soO go up 2-1 against him... I think Rogue is the favorite to win this tournament currently. Maru is the second favorite however! | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On August 03 2018 11:08 Rodya wrote: Serral 3 - 1 KelazurRogue 3 - 2 INnoVationDark 3 - 0 NeebClassic 3 - 1 ScarlettRogue vs Inno and Classic vs Scarlett will be the most interesting matchups, although it will be nice to root for Serral to lose in first round at first, I'm pretty sure he will advance. Maybe not, though. By the way, after hearing Maru's comments about how much he doesn't like playing TvZ currently and seeing soO go up 2-1 against him... I think Rogue is the favorite to win this tournament currently. Maru is the second favorite however! Rogue's path is just way harder, unfortunately. Maru has matches vs ShoWTimE and Stats that he really should win, while Rogue has INnoVation, Serral, and the best of Classic/Dark. | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 10:39 FrkFrJss wrote: When one game was a build order loss, I don't take too much stock in a single bo3. soO also played horribly in the ro32 and yet was very close to defeating Maru, who, although not as strong in TvZ as his TvP, is still very strong in the matchup. I agree that Neeb is the underdog, but he's also underperformed at times against Korean Zergs. Strikes me as a disingenuous comparison. Whereas soO has proven he can play excellent ZvT when in form, Neeb has never shown he can beat Korean Zergs with any degree of reliability. Not to say Neeb can't suddenly improve a lot, but there's a big difference between regaining lost form and all-time peak. | ||
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Boggyb
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On August 03 2018 10:39 FrkFrJss wrote: When one game was a build order loss, I don't take too much stock in a single bo3. soO also played horribly in the ro32 and yet was very close to defeating Maru, who, although not as strong in TvZ as his TvP, is still very strong in the matchup. I agree that Neeb is the underdog, but he's also underperformed at times against Korean Zergs. Don't read too much into that series. Maru is a literal god, Tasteless, but he looks human when he's not going all out in terms of practice and nobody can maintain their motivation forever. | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 11:10 Soularion wrote: Rogue's path is just way harder, unfortunately. Maru has matches vs ShoWTimE and Stats that he really should win, while Rogue has INnoVation, Serral, and the best of Classic/Dark. Given Maru's rather shaky form yesterday, and him admitting that he took a break from practicing hard, I wouldn't be surprised if Rogue showed up in similar shaky form. Those two seem to march in lockstep, especially in TvZ. Also, soO has very clearly been practicing a lot of ZvT recently, and the obvious practice partner for him would be Inno. Add two and two and I think Rogue vs Inno might not turn out like some people are expecting. But who knows. We'll find out soon enough, in any case. | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On August 03 2018 13:17 pvsnp wrote: Given Maru's rather shaky form yesterday, and him admitting that he took a break from practicing hard, I wouldn't be surprised if Rogue showed up in similar shaky form. Those two seem to march in lockstep, especially in TvZ. Also, soO has very clearly been practicing a lot of ZvT recently, and the obvious practice partner for him would be Inno. Add two and two and I think Rogue vs Inno might not turn out like some people are expecting. But who knows. We'll find out soon enough, in any case. If Rogue isn't 100% he's probably going home early. Has one of the better non-Maru terrans, two of the best zergs, and one of the best protosses in his bracket to the finals. Really tough. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On August 03 2018 13:16 Boggyb wrote: Don't read too much into that series. Maru is a literal god, Tasteless, but he looks human when he's not going all out in terms of practice and nobody can maintain their motivation forever. Yeah, basically this. If Maru decides to show up 100%, it's a blowout except for Rogue (or maybe Dark). But maybe he's gotta rest a little more, I dunno. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
no, but I think he can take a game | ||
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HolydaKing
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On August 03 2018 15:10 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Just in time! Can Kelazhur troll the world and knock out Serral?! no, but I think he can take a game It would be amazing, but I would hate it. =P | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 15:14 HolydaKing wrote: It would be amazing, but I would hate it. =P Would laugh my ass off, but I'll settle for a decently competitive series | ||
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dave81
United States50 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Take a game! Take a game! | ||
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Durnuu
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starkiller123
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Kommander
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pvsnp
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 15:32 Durnuu wrote: Kelazhur did a lot but lost a lot more lol If he had a strong eco behind that he would be in a great spot. But he doesn't, and he isn't. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
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fastr
France902 Posts
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HolydaKing
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On August 03 2018 15:35 Odoakar wrote: Marines only, no ghost late game.... To be fair, he had a terrible early game and probably felt like he has to push / drop and no time to tech up. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On August 03 2018 15:36 Tyrhanius wrote: That was a terrible game, i hope it is just some warm up. yeah Serral can not hope to beat Maru with that ZvT, not that he can anyways | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 15:36 Tyrhanius wrote: That was a terrible game, i hope it is just some warm up. Of course this is just warmup, the real show is Rogue vs Inno | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2018 15:38 pvsnp wrote: Of course this is just warmup, the real show is Rogue vs Inno Hopefully it's a better match than their online series | ||
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dave81
United States50 Posts
On August 03 2018 15:38 pvsnp wrote: Of course this is just warmup, the real show is Rogue vs Inno Jin Air Rogue is gonna slay inno. Inno is not in good form. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
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HolydaKing
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ZigguratOfUr
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On August 03 2018 15:46 TheOneAboveU wrote: Are there actually any of the people here watching who voted for Kelazhur? I doubt it. No one here has 'Brazil' listed as their country. | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2018 15:46 TheOneAboveU wrote: Are there actually any of the people here watching who voted for Kelazhur? I voted in the poll Kelazhur for the memes. In the poll only though, not gonna ruin my liquibets for no reason E: Oh wait you meant the voting thing. No I didn't vote Kelazhur there | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On August 03 2018 15:47 HolydaKing wrote: I love Serral's gameface. It's a killer face. You mean his resting face? I suppose it's also his game face. Serral doesn't have a lot of faces. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On August 03 2018 15:46 TheOneAboveU wrote: Are there actually any of the people here watching who voted for Kelazhur? Doubt it, Kela got a lot of help from Brazilian CS:GO personalities.....basically just vote for him cuz he's Brazilian and nothing else. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 03 2018 15:46 TheOneAboveU wrote: Are there actually any of the people here watching who voted for Kelazhur? Well I don't see many posters here with 1-2 overall posts. | ||
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MarthTV
Germany387 Posts
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HolydaKing
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On August 03 2018 15:47 pvsnp wrote: You mean his resting face? I suppose it's also his game face. Serral doesn't have a lot of faces. I've seen him smile before! | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On August 03 2018 15:46 TheOneAboveU wrote: Are there actually any of the people here watching who voted for Kelazhur? *slowly raises hand* | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On August 03 2018 15:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Feels like Kelazhur could get a lot more out of his hellions--Serral doesn't even sim-city much in general.. Yeah, but the worry is there are hidden lings. Honestly, I'm convinced a lot of Terrans who do those cool hellion dives just go for it and gamble. There are also a lot of queens which would make it even harder. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On August 03 2018 15:47 HolydaKing wrote: I love Serral's gameface. It looks like a killer face. I think it is his only face... | ||
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Durnuu
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/vuoiphtqjic11.png) | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 03 2018 15:49 Parrek wrote: Yeah, but the worry is there are hidden lings. Honestly, I'm convinced a lot of Terrans who do those cool hellion dives just go for it and gamble. There are also a lot of queens which would make it even harder. It is a gamble, but if I was Kelazhur I'd happily take gambles against Serral. | ||
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HolydaKing
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Penev
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sashkata
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pvsnp
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Look at that joy, ladies at gentlemen | ||
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Vindicare605
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uThermal
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serendipitous
Canada195 Posts
On August 03 2018 15:58 sertman wrote: That's the 3rd best foreign terran? Geez... Well 4th probably, but Serral would do that to any foreign Terran other than maybe Special on a good day Also this interview jesus, this is dryer than his interviews usually are, I guess the translating makes it even worse. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 03 2018 15:58 pvsnp wrote: "It is great." Look at that joy, ladies at gentlemen Obviously. I mean you don't 3-0 Kelazhur every day. | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 15:59 serendipitous wrote: Well 4th probably, but Serral would do that to any foreign Terran other than maybe Special on a good day Also this interview jesus, this is dryer than his interviews usually are, I guess the translating makes it even worse. Serral fits right in with these Kespa player-level interview skills | ||
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Kommander
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 16:00 D-light wrote: Obviously. I mean you don't 3-0 Kelazhur every day. That's why I love GSL vs the World, for delivering these unique Korean vs Foreigner matches we so rarely get to see | ||
GTR
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sertman
United States540 Posts
On August 03 2018 15:59 serendipitous wrote: Well 4th probably, but Serral would do that to any foreign Terran other than maybe Special on a good day Also this interview jesus, this is dryer than his interviews usually are, I guess the translating makes it even worse. For sure. There is just such a massive gap between uThermal/Special and Kelz in terms of quality of play. The mechanical skill required is nuts at that level. | ||
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kottbullar
Australia490 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16095 Posts
On August 03 2018 16:02 GTR wrote: guyri's effort to speak english though I was already infatuated. Now i'm in love. | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On August 03 2018 16:03 kottbullar wrote: Yeah what happened to SC scene having the best translators in esports haha. Well at least there's Smix. | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On August 03 2018 16:02 sertman wrote: For sure. There is just such a massive gap between uThermal/Special and Kelz in terms of quality of play. The mechanical skill required is nuts at that level. You're forgetting BIG GABE. | ||
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Penev
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sudete
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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Rob-Zero
Germany460 Posts
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Rob-Zero
Germany460 Posts
Hajinsun did a very good job at hsc lately, too. | ||
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Ej_
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HIS BIG NOSE | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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pvsnp
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Please don't be a shit series | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17684 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Ej_
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On August 03 2018 16:14 sudete wrote: Wonder if inno will go bio even a single time When he 2raxes. So probs on Dreamcatcher LOL | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On August 03 2018 16:14 Die4Ever wrote: ARTOSIS! I thought he wasn't here today One of the greatest surprises OF ALL TIME! | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 16:15 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: One of the greatest surprises OF ALL TIME! Top 10 anime reveals | ||
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DarkGamer
Germany323 Posts
On August 03 2018 16:09 Rob-Zero wrote: I dont understand all the complaints, the translator is clearly trying his best, making eye contact today,so he improved in that since yesterday, nobody is perfect from the start, and as far as i know he is around only since this season of the gsl ? Serrals answers are nice and precise, just because he doesnt show any emotions doesnt mean he has none, come on guys, be gentle. And Gyuri, wow that dress, beautiful as always <3 even trying to speak english. I´d watch these interviews all day just for her haha this! | ||
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pvsnp
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 03 2018 16:19 pvsnp wrote: Rogue really isn't in contention for GOAT. Life did everything he did and more. Just recency bias. It's the "more" that Life did that's problematic when it comes to being the GOAT. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 03 2018 16:19 pvsnp wrote: Rogue really isn't in contention for GOAT. Life did everything he did and more. Just recency bias. But money? | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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serendipitous
Canada195 Posts
On August 03 2018 16:22 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Hopefully this actually does get to the lategame so Arty can get some vindication. I actually don't think it's too hyperbolic to claim Rogue truly is in contention as one of the very best Zergs ever in that category. What Zerg has been better at lategame than rogue? | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2018 16:25 serendipitous wrote: What Zerg has been better at lategame than rogue? Dark, and for longer too. | ||
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Inflicted
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On August 03 2018 16:25 serendipitous wrote: What Zerg has been better at lategame than rogue? Currently? Possibly Dark, but it's close Historically? Soulkey for sure. Gonna count Symbol and RorO as well. Don't care if it was during BL/Infestor, fight me! ByuL if we're only talking about vs mech | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2018 16:29 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Currently? Possibly Dark, but it's close Historically? Soulkey for sure. Gonna count Symbol and RorO as well. Don't care if it was during BL/Infestor, fight me! ByuL if we're only talking about vs mech Hey now, RorO wasn't only good during BL/infestor. He was also one of the best at Swarm Host play (no matter how you feel about HotS' swarm hosts) during 2013/early 2014 (until his retirement pretty much ) | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On August 03 2018 16:29 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Currently? Possibly Dark, but it's close Historically? Soulkey for sure. Gonna count Symbol and RorO as well. Don't care if it was during BL/Infestor, fight me! ByuL if we're only talking about vs mech How can you consider BL/Infestor without including Leenock | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17684 Posts
On August 03 2018 16:30 Inflicted wrote: How can you consider BL/Infestor without including Leenock Leenock was the BL/infestor god | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
I remember his 7-roach rushes much more than his BL/infestor. Maybe he was a BL/infestor god, but there was an entire pantheon running around at the time. | ||
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Shellshock
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2018 16:36 Ej_ wrote: Anyeong was the best lategame Zerg, Don't @ me You're lucky Olli isn't in this thread | ||
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HolydaKing
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Zzzapper
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On August 03 2018 16:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I remember his 7-roach rushes much more than his BL/infestor. Maybe he was a BL/infestor god, but there was an entire pantheon running around at the time. That MLG final vs. Naniwa was hillarious. Back when people would forge expand on Xel Naga Caverns | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
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pvsnp
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On August 03 2018 16:37 HolydaKing wrote: Nah, IdrA was the best lategame Zerg. Which is why people cheesed him before he got there. Or killed their command center | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On August 03 2018 16:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Online Rogue, get outta here, you're supposed to be Offline right now I found this way more funny than I should. | ||
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IshinShishi
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pvsnp
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Zzzapper
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On August 03 2018 16:41 IshinShishi wrote: WoL was a rush fest for a reason, smh people think that players just used suboptimal shit for ages. Up until maybe late 2011 they were to a large extent | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 03 2018 16:44 Zzzapper wrote: Up until maybe late 2011 they were to a large extent There ain't that many ways to optimize a four gate. | ||
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serendipitous
Canada195 Posts
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Ej_
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
this is peak starcraft | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 03 2018 16:47 serendipitous wrote: I guess that's why you only see hellbat pushes vs Losira, Inno arrived vs 4 queens and 10 slow lings and it still couldn't do anything :/ It is 16-bit to be fair. | ||
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Zzzapper
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On August 03 2018 16:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: There ain't that many ways to optimize a four gate. So that's 1 match up out of 6 that was optimized. And even then, it took a while for the micro to get reasonably tight | ||
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Shellshock
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Zzzapper
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On August 03 2018 16:50 Shellshock wrote: mutas were a mistake rendered useless by the thor buff smh | ||
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HolydaKing
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starkiller123
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SetGuitarsToKill
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Shellshock
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On August 03 2018 16:52 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Worst mutas in GSL history? only because ByuL was in WCS NA for his play | ||
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pvsnp
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HolydaKing
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On August 03 2018 16:52 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Worst mutas in GSL history? Wouldn't be so sure, mutas are pretty garbage most of the time. | ||
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Argonauta
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TheOneAboveU
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On August 03 2018 16:52 starkiller123 wrote: looks like Byun's inability to split has rubbed off on INno What do you mean, inability? I thought ByuN was the best micro player ever? Edit: And yeah, pretty sad Mutas. I really miss those guys. | ||
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Ej_
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On August 03 2018 16:53 pvsnp wrote: Rogue defended the hellbat push really well but he made far too many useless roaches after that. Oh and he forgot bane speed, which is kinda super important The entire point of Rogue's build is muta switch into mass roach bust. | ||
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pvsnp
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Those zero Thors really did a number on those mutas | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On August 03 2018 16:49 Zzzapper wrote: So that's 1 match up out of 6 that was optimized. And even then, it took a while for the micro to get reasonably tight Even with PvP there was cool stuff going on even in WoL really. Like at the time PvP was a rock-paper-scissors scenario with "defensive four gate" > "offensive four gate", "offensive four gate" > "other stuff like with a robo", "other stuff" > "defensive four gate", but people like MC had cool builds where you started the gateways and canceled them if the opponent wasn't offensive four-gating you. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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On August 03 2018 16:53 HolydaKing wrote: Wouldn't be so sure, mutas are pretty garbage most of the time. They're made a decent resurgence though. Used more, and win a lot more recently. | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 16:54 Ej_ wrote: The entire point of Rogue's build is muta switch into mass roach bust. But he never actually busted. He just ran around the map a bit and made ling/bane. Did he think it was mech? That's the only justification I see. | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On August 03 2018 16:53 HolydaKing wrote: Wouldn't be so sure, mutas are pretty garbage most of the time. Innovation has scanned the main and see the mutas pop, so no way they could do damage. | ||
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Ej_
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On August 03 2018 16:55 pvsnp wrote: But he never actually busted. He just ran around the map a bit and made ling/bane. Did he think it was mech? That's the only justification I see. If the mutas do 0 damage, it's close to game over anyway. You're supposed to kill SCVs and maybe pick off tanks. Force marines into the main and nat etc. | ||
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TerranOwnsAll
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SetGuitarsToKill
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HolydaKing
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On August 03 2018 16:54 blooblooblahblah wrote: They're made a decent resurgence though. Used more, and win a lot more recently. Sure, but we were speaking about the GSL history, and there was quite a time frame where they weren't being used because of bad experiences. | ||
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Ej_
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On August 03 2018 16:56 TerranOwnsAll wrote: Haven't played SC in awhile, how much of a buff did the Thors get? They have baseline 2 armor (used to be 1) so it's much harder to pick them off while they're building up in numbers during a parade push. | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 16:56 Ej_ wrote: If the mutas do 0 damage, it's close to game over anyway. You're supposed to kill SCVs and maybe pick off tanks. Force marines into the main and nat etc. I mean, if Terran going mech and has only a couple tanks at home plus hellions (because double thor drop), then I can see Rogue doing just fine. But against bio it just doesn't seem that great | ||
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Ej_
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On August 03 2018 16:58 pvsnp wrote: I mean, if Terran going mech and has only a couple tanks at home plus hellions (because double thor drop), then I can see Rogue doing just fine. But against bio it just doesn't seem that great It works vs bio as well. | ||
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TerranOwnsAll
359 Posts
Haven't played SC in awhile, how much of a buff did the Thors get? They have baseline 2 armor (used to be 1) so it's much harder to pick them off while they're building up in numbers during a parade push. Gotcha, thanks | ||
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Zzzapper
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On August 03 2018 16:54 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Even with PvP there was cool stuff going on even in WoL really. Like at the time PvP was a rock-paper-scissors scenario with "defensive four gate" > "offensive four gate", "offensive four gate" > "other stuff like with a robo", "other stuff" > "defensive four gate", but people like MC had cool builds where you started the gateways and canceled them if the opponent wasn't offensive four-gating you. I really liked that 3 stalker rush to prevent the proxy pylon from going up | ||
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Argonauta
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On August 03 2018 16:59 TerranOwnsAll wrote: On August 03 2018 16:56 TerranOwnsAll wrote: Haven't played SC in awhile, how much of a buff did the Thors get? They have baseline 2 armor (used to be 1) so it's much harder to pick them off while they're building up in numbers during a parade push. Gotcha, thanks and also got a damage buff vs light air compared with HOTS | ||
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Zzzapper
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Ej_
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On August 03 2018 17:05 Zzzapper wrote: Inno is truly in machine mode today Maybe he stopped playing LoL for season 3 of GSL. | ||
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Shellshock
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Odoakar
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Durnuu
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Shellshock
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On August 03 2018 17:07 Odoakar wrote: haha rouge suiciding into 2-2 It was the best fight he could've got. If he gives INnoVation time to siege up, it's all ogre. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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Zzzapper
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On August 03 2018 17:05 Ej_ wrote: Maybe he stopped playing LoL for season 3 of GSL. He does have to step up for that if he wants to get to Blizzcon | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 03 2018 17:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: We can officially say Rogue is no longer the top zerg after this disaster of a series Do we reinstate him as top zerg if Neeb beats Dark? | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2018 17:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Do we reinstate him as top zerg if Neeb beats Dark? No, then we put Leenock as top zerg and cry in a corner while Zerg gets 0 player in top 8 of GSL. | ||
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Waxangel
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1) complain about zerg 2) ???? 3) beat zerg | ||
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Odoakar
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That was crazy suicide by rogue at the end. | ||
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Zzzapper
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On August 03 2018 17:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: We can officially say Rogue is no longer the top zerg after this disaster of a series Dark was number one the whole time, fight me | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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d e h d | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On August 03 2018 17:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Do we reinstate him as top zerg if Neeb beats Dark? Idk give it to soO or something. Idk but I can't comfortably say its Rogue anymore | ||
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sunnyshine
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HolydaKing
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pvsnp
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Actually pretty ridiculous how regularly he peaks in the fall. Inb4 he loses in the Ro8 at Blizzcon | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2018 17:11 Inflicted wrote: It's season 3 time, Inno ain't losing until Blizzcon Too bad duckdeok won't make blizzcon this year | ||
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kottbullar
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Penev
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TerranOwnsAll
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Ej_
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On August 03 2018 17:10 Zzzapper wrote: Dark was number one the whole time, fight me I see you are a man of culture as well. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
GG NO RE | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4955 Posts
On August 03 2018 17:10 Zzzapper wrote: \\Dark was number one the whole time, fight me nah, dark is not better | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2018 17:11 TerranOwnsAll wrote: Wow 1 build and he gets 3-1 win. What happened to Korean pros adapting? It died with LotV and then got murdered some more when KeSPA teams disbanded | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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On August 03 2018 17:11 pvsnp wrote: Season 3 Inno confirmed Actually pretty ridiculous how regularly he peaks in the fall. Inb4 he loses in the Ro8 at Blizzcon Such is the circle of life | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On August 03 2018 17:12 Durnuu wrote: It died with LotV and then got murdered some more when KeSPA teams disbanded Srsly, same builds all day everyday for most players. | ||
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Poopi
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Beating Rogue is one thing but Serral is stronger | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On August 03 2018 17:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Why this fucking seeding, btw. What the fuck is this matchup even doing in the first round. Congrats Blizz you put all this money into it and then wasted Rogue and soO zerg players need to get good | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
edit: 7200 mmr on serral...this tourney is over... | ||
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pvsnp
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Charoisaur
Germany16005 Posts
On August 03 2018 17:02 Argonauta wrote: and also got a damage buff vs light air compared with HOTS Not true, the Aoe radius was buffed | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2018 17:13 pvsnp wrote: First Serral, now Inno, I've had burnt toast with more flavor than this Next up is Neeb for the perfect faceless trio. One of each race too. | ||
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Argonauta
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The DPS increased | ||
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D-light
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On August 03 2018 17:15 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: The respect for the MMR is real MMR and aligulac don't lie. Everyone knows it. | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On August 03 2018 17:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Why this fucking seeding, btw. What the fuck is this matchup even doing in the first round. Congrats Blizz you put all this money into it and then wasted Rogue and soO If they were in the top 4 in ranking they couldn't play each other as those 8 were seeded. Inno and soO should play better during the year and they wouldn't be in this spot. | ||
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ilikeredheads
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TerranOwnsAll
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HolydaKing
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Neeb has decent chances, he's always been one you can't count out. | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On August 03 2018 17:15 kottbullar wrote: Serral 7200 kr mmr ? :O I think Inno just misheard tbh. Trying to check but none of the sites (sc2unmasked or rankedftw) are loading for me >.> | ||
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HolydaKing
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On August 03 2018 17:17 TerranOwnsAll wrote: And Byun beat Serral 3-2 last year as well I hope you know that last year's Serral was playing in a different league than this year's Serral. He got better quite a lot. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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starkiller123
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On August 03 2018 17:17 HolydaKing wrote: Serral is legit. He won't be easy for Inno. Neeb has legit chances, he's always been one you can't count out. well so far it is 5-0 map score in favor of Dark, Dark gonna make it 8-0 edit | ||
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HolydaKing
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On August 03 2018 17:19 starkiller123 wrote: well so far it is 5-0 map score in favor of Dark, Dark gonna make it 8-0 edit It's possible, sure. But even those matches could in theory be close. :D | ||
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TerranOwnsAll
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And Byun beat Serral 3-2 last year as well I hope you know that last year Serral is playing in a different league than this year's Serral. Maru swept Serral 3-0 in WESG 2017 Inno beat Serral in GSL vs The World 2017 Byun beat Serral in GSL vs The World 2017 Stats don't lie, Korean Terrans have Serral's number | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On August 03 2018 17:19 blooblooblahblah wrote: Yeah Serral doesn't have 7200 on kr. Probably misheard or maybe Inno is meme-ing he's 7200 on EU. probably the mistake http://www.rankedftw.com/ladder/lotv/1v1/mmr/ | ||
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sunnyshine
Australia63 Posts
On August 03 2018 17:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Why this fucking seeding, btw. What the fuck is this matchup even doing in the first round. Congrats Blizz you put all this money into it and then wasted Rogue and soO It's blizzard's way of getting more foreigners into the ro8 without it looking outright unfair towards koreans. They pulled shit last year in the overwatch world cup to help USA dodge south korea but people complained. They backtracked into a random draw resulting in their worst scenario of USA - KR in the ro8. | ||
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starkiller123
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On August 03 2018 17:23 starkiller123 wrote: the new zerg skins are actually incredible, too bad I'm beyond awful at playing zerg compared to my terran definitely my favorite of the 3 | ||
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lmao | ||
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CynicalDeath
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rofl Dark | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
the terran ones have already grown on me some but yeah the zerg ones really are the undisputed best this time | ||
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Ej_
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On August 03 2018 17:26 Adastrom wrote: is it me or dark got fatter He's been definitely getting more and more spherical for the last 2 years or so. | ||
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TerranOwnsAll
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On August 03 2018 17:26 CynicalDeath wrote: "I don't know why they lose to foreigners" - Dark 2018 rofl Dark Watch him lose to Neeb now, Lol | ||
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starkiller123
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Inflicted
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starkiller123
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Durnuu
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Call KeSPA immediately | ||
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Parrek
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" throwing the early shade | ||
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Shellshock
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SetGuitarsToKill
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pvsnp
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I'm dying | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2018 17:34 JonIrenicus wrote: hey, can someone tell me the name of the casters? The voice of one of them reminds me of a guy that used to play against ToD and casting a lot of games around. Rotterdam and Tasteless | ||
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GamerLife
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On August 03 2018 17:36 GamerLife wrote: Neeb is good, but Dark just seems to have his (and every non-koreans) number. Fully expecting a 3-0, sadly. Neeb is really not that good this year | ||
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pvsnp
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nvm, he's going for swarmhosts | ||
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Shellshock
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GamerLife
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On August 03 2018 17:36 starkiller123 wrote: Neeb is really not that good this year He has dipped since last year, but its nice to be nice | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On August 03 2018 17:38 GamerLife wrote: He has dipped since last year, but its nice to be nice true lol, my bad | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 17:38 GamerLife wrote: He has dipped since last year, but its nice to be nice While you aren't wrong, saying that here of all places is kinda....bizzare | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
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Shellshock
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 17:43 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Stop stop, he's already dead Don't worry, there's still 2 more games to go | ||
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Waxangel
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On August 03 2018 17:43 Waxangel wrote: Amazing, Serral-esque play from Dark Dark wishes he was Serral | ||
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Argonauta
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pvsnp
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2018 17:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I've never seen a zerg player actually totally style on someone like that in this high level of a match Should watch more Dark vs foreigner | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 17:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I've never seen a zerg player actually totally style on someone like that in this high level of a match 106 banes wasn't styling? And that's just the most recent example, Dark is pretty savage when he outclasses the other guy | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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That's the most legit strategy zerg has, its the opposite of styling | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On August 03 2018 17:45 pvsnp wrote: 106 banes wasn't styling? And that's just the most recent example, Dark is pretty savage when he outclasses the other guy 106 isnt even that much | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 17:48 Shellshock wrote: 106 isnt even that much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfl8c4ZtGp0 He said "in this high level of a match," not in a 2011 match | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2018 17:49 pvsnp wrote: He said "in this high level of a match," not in a 2011 match 2011 was the highest skilled era | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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On August 03 2018 17:43 pvsnp wrote: Don't worry, there's still 2 more games to go Don't know if I want to see the last one | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 17:52 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Well this is probably going down as the most embarrassing series Neeb has played Is this more or less brutal than Blizzcon 2016? | ||
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Durnuu
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True skill of losing to Silky | ||
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HolydaKing
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On August 03 2018 17:52 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Well this is probably going down as the most embarrassing series Neeb has played Yeah, if game 3 is anything like game 2. | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2018 17:53 blooblooblahblah wrote: How do you actually play 2 SG phoenix against +1 ling. I literally just leave the game if I see that evo. I don't have a "progamer answer" but I think stopping phoenix production and making oracles can maybe do something Can't be worse than making phoenixes anyway | ||
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starkiller123
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On August 03 2018 17:54 Shellshock wrote: at least it's not as bad as Lilbow vs Matchfixer nothing can ever be as bad as that series, at least we got to listen to TLO roast Lilbow | ||
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HolydaKing
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On August 03 2018 17:54 Shellshock wrote: at least it's not as bad as Lilbow vs Matchfixer Or Naniwa vs Nestea. | ||
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dankobanana
Croatia238 Posts
On August 03 2018 17:53 blooblooblahblah wrote: How do you actually play 2 SG phoenix against +1 ling. I literally just leave the game if I see that evo. you do dmg on the other side? | ||
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starkiller123
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or Naniwa vs Polt at Katowice | ||
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HolydaKing
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On August 03 2018 17:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: No lie today has been kind of awful, and I'm not just saying that because the two players who's fan club I run have gotten annihilated Maybe Scarlett can cheer you up. | ||
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starkiller123
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On August 03 2018 17:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: No lie today has been kind of awful, and I'm not just saying that because the two players who's fan club I run have gotten annihilated What will you do if Scarlett loses 3-0 as well? | ||
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Die4Ever
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lol, doesn't count cause they didn't play in an underground bunker, the noise from the crowd gave away Naniwa's super predictable strat that everyone was saying he was gonna do anyways | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 17:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: No lie today has been kind of awful, and I'm not just saying that because the two players who's fan club I run have gotten annihilated When it's late and you're tired everything seems worse. Tomorrow the sun will rise and things might still be bad, but they won't be completely awful. | ||
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Shellshock
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On August 03 2018 17:58 pvsnp wrote: When it's late and you're tired everything seems worse. Tomorrow the sun will rise and things might still be bad, but they won't be completely awful. now the sun is going to explode | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
Even if you do damage, you end up behind cos it's impossible to take that 3rd comfortable. Zerg has a lot of queens too, it really seems to be just a build order loss. | ||
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Ej_
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On August 03 2018 18:00 blooblooblahblah wrote: Even if you do damage, you end up behind cos it's impossible to take that 3rd comfortable. Zerg has a lot of queens too, it really seems to be just a build order loss. It's indeed a very bad matchup for Protoss. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17684 Posts
On August 03 2018 17:58 pvsnp wrote: When it's late and you're tired everything seems worse. Tomorrow the sun will rise and things might still be bad, but they won't be completely awful. I'm the opposite lol, fuck mornings | ||
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On August 03 2018 18:01 Shellshock wrote: neeb survived to +1! Does he win now? | ||
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starkiller123
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same | ||
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Shellshock
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sources say.... no | ||
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Someone check the betting lines. | ||
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starkiller123
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i second those sources | ||
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theunabletable
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Ej_
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On August 03 2018 18:04 theunabletable wrote: I guess you can just sit on 55 drones all game, and work your way to a 60 supply lead. You very much can, if you go all-in on a 1-dimensional lair tech composition. | ||
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pvsnp
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Dark living in 3018 here | ||
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Durnuu
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The winrate has to be absolutely insane | ||
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Ramiz1989
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On August 03 2018 18:06 pvsnp wrote: I'll be honest, this is a pretty bs build from Dark, but I'm too busy laughing my ass off to care Dark living in 3018 here After all BS builds that Protoss players had, I am enjoying this one too much. | ||
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HolydaKing
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starkiller123
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 18:08 HolydaKing wrote: Serral vs Kela was a lot more exciting, lol. Not to mention a lot less onesided | ||
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NExt
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Zerg.Zilla
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blooblooblahblah
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pvsnp
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"Hello Neeb. Bye!" | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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Shellshock
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Penev
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On August 03 2018 18:09 ilikeredheads wrote: zero confidence in losing LUL a weakness! | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On August 03 2018 18:10 Shellshock wrote: we need triple stargate oracle back in the meta please god no | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On August 03 2018 18:09 Zetter wrote: Haven't really watched in a year or so. When did SH become so strong again? Neeb was ahead in probes for pretty much the whole game, so how did this work? They were always situationally strong depending on the map and strategy, and this map looks amazing for them. | ||
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HolydaKing
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starkiller123
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2018 18:11 HolydaKing wrote: So how one sided will the last match be?... AS ONE SIDED AS A MÖBIUS STRIP | ||
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Ej_
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On August 03 2018 18:09 Zetter wrote: Haven't really watched in a year or so. When did SH become so strong again? Neeb was ahead in probes for pretty much the whole game, so how did this work? If you have nothing to harass the SH player back or pick off the SH, it's over for you. They numbers of locusts just keep raising, because the unit itself is very cheap, and eventually, you will be swarmed. Like it's been said, this is a very good map for this particular build, because the locusts can be safely launched from behind ledges and then the SH can retreat. | ||
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starkiller123
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On August 03 2018 18:11 Ej_ wrote: If you have nothing to harass the SH player back or pick off the SH, it's over for you. They numbers of locusts just keep raising, because the unit itself is very cheap, and eventually, you will be swarmed. Like it's been said, this is a very good map for this particular build, because the locusts can be safely launched from behind ledges and then the SH can retreat. wouldn't a warp prism really have helped Neeb? its not like his Immortals were doing him any good | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On August 03 2018 18:09 Zetter wrote: Haven't really watched in a year or so. When did SH become so strong again? Neeb was ahead in probes for pretty much the whole game, so how did this work? You don't need a strong economy when you go SH because they are so cost efficient. Rogue showed this at Blizzcon last year where he went Nydus SH against Neeb and literally built a bank while having like 44 drones. They're so strong but all the builds are a bit flimsy so they are risky builds. | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
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Creager
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On August 03 2018 18:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Would void rays be the answer there? Get like 3 of them and at least kill a few swarm hosts before he gets hydras out and get them off your back Don't really know if Voidrays would be fast enough to catch Swarmhosts, also wouldn't Queens suffice for defense? | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On August 03 2018 18:12 Shellshock wrote: now we get to see the clinic of PvZ from the other side of the matchup or not | ||
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sudete
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Ej_
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On August 03 2018 18:13 starkiller123 wrote: wouldn't a warp prism really have helped Neeb? its not like his Immortals were doing him any good WP harass is very good. Stats showed how to beat mass SH play with warp prisms vs Scarrlet and iAsonu on Abyssal Reef (and it was way back when SH were a tad faster). | ||
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HolydaKing
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 18:13 blooblooblahblah wrote: You don't need a strong economy when you go SH because they are so cost efficient. Rogue showed this at Blizzcon last year where he went Nydus SH against Neeb and literally built a bank while having like 44 drones. They're so strong but all the builds are a bit flimsy so they are risky builds. SH are either amazing or terrible. Games where they don't drastically swing the game in one direction or another are pretty rare, though they do diminish in significance as the game goes late. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On August 03 2018 18:14 sudete wrote: When did it become so fashionable to dislike neeb? It's not Neeb specific, there's just a crowd of people here on TL that shit on all foreigners, especially after a loss like that | ||
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Creager
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On August 03 2018 18:14 sudete wrote: When did it become so fashionable to dislike neeb? Just here for collecting some foreign tears | ||
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Ej_
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On August 03 2018 18:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: It's not Neeb specific, there's just a crowd of people here on TL that shit on all foreigners, especially after a loss like that Excuse me, I shit only on foreigners from North America. | ||
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CloudCat
Singapore159 Posts
that online event on facebook they were advertising there, is there a way to win the probe plushie? | ||
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Zetter
Germany629 Posts
On August 03 2018 18:11 Ej_ wrote: If you have nothing to harass the SH player back or pick off the SH, it's over for you. They numbers of locusts just keep raising, because the unit itself is very cheap, and eventually, you will be swarmed. Like it's been said, this is a very good map for this particular build, because the locusts can be safely launched from behind ledges and then the SH can retreat. Okay, so it's not like they got a buff. I knew they had insane dps, but I didn't remember them taking out a nexus that fast. :D | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 18:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: It's not Neeb specific, there's just a crowd of people here on TL that shit on all foreigners, especially after a loss like that After a loss like that, can you really blame them? | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On August 03 2018 18:17 pvsnp wrote: After a loss like that, can you really blame them? No, not really. That was pretty awful. Though Kela also got bopped and less people were on his ass about it | ||
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Creager
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On August 03 2018 18:18 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: No, not really. That was pretty awful. Though Kela also got bopped and less people were on his ass about it He lost to a foreigner so the logic doesn't really apply in his case. | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 03 2018 18:18 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: No, not really. That was pretty awful. Though Kela also got bopped and less people were on his ass about it That's because no one ever expected Kelazhur to do well, unlike Neeb where some people had hope. | ||
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Vedeynevin
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On August 03 2018 18:19 Creager wrote: He lost to a foreigner so the logic doesn't really apply in his case. He also didn't get styled on by serral. | ||
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Creager
Germany1917 Posts
On August 03 2018 18:20 sneakyfox wrote: Lol what's up with that protoss-skin for Zerg Oh no, this is rustling my jimmies again... | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 18:18 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: No, not really. That was pretty awful. Though Kela also got bopped and less people were on his ass about it Well, I can't speak for the others, but for me personally I love it when overhyped players get demolished. Kelazhur wasn't overhyped by anyone, so his loss is pretty unremarkable. Neeb, on the other hand, is one of those players who is almost always overhyped (even when he is amazing). This is further compounded by the Foreigner vs Korean dynamic, in which foreigners are without exception overhyped, sometimes to a farcical degree. And even further compounded by some of the wild peaks/slumps some foreigners like Neeb and Scarlett have gone through. I much prefer somebody like Showtime, on the other hand, who gets far less overhype and is generally a very solid player. | ||
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Shellshock
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On August 03 2018 18:22 sneakyfox wrote: How was the Rogue-Inno series? felt like the games were pretty one sided | ||
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darklycid
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On August 03 2018 18:21 pvsnp wrote: Well, I can't speak for the others, but for me personally I love it when overhyped players get demolished. Kelazhur wasn't overhyped by anyone, so his loss is pretty unremarkable. Neeb, on the other hand, is one of those players who is almost always overhyped (even when he is amazing). This is further compounded by the Foreigner vs Korean dynamic, in which foreigners are without exception overhyped, sometimes to a farcical degree. And even further compounded by some of the wild peaks/slumps some foreigners like Neeb and Scarlett have gone through. I much prefer somebody like Showtime, on the other hand, who gets far less overhype and is generally a very solid player. I second this. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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On August 03 2018 18:22 sneakyfox wrote: How was the Rogue-Inno series? Good but not great. Some competitive high-level TvZ but nothing that really went the distance. | ||
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dankobanana
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On August 03 2018 18:24 Inflicted wrote: This is GSL vs the world, anyone who trash talks and backs it up like Dark did deserves to be cheered for I'm ok with some trash talk, but that was rude. If I was a foreigner, I'd never shake his hand again. | ||
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starkiller123
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On August 03 2018 18:24 Penev wrote: Ah, Mexico is part of NA again I mean central America is not a continent and its definitely not in South America so... | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 18:24 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Good but not great. Some competitive high-level TvZ but nothing that really went the distance. Seconded. Every game was decided, one way or the other, by the vanilla 2/2 tank push | ||
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starkiller123
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On August 03 2018 18:26 pvsnp wrote: Seconded. Every game was decided, one way or the other, by the vanilla 2/2 tank push some fun engages and micro but not as good as soO vs Maru, still a fun TvZ | ||
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Penev
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On August 03 2018 18:26 starkiller123 wrote: I mean central America is not a continent and its definitely not in South America so... It's a joke about the LAM region.. | ||
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Durnuu
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LATAM best AM | ||
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Ej_
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On August 03 2018 18:26 dankobanana wrote: I'm ok with some trash talk, but that was rude. If I was a foreigner, I'd never shake his hand again. He wouldn't shake yours in the first place. | ||
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dankobanana
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sure. he needs his hands to hold BOTH of his trophies. really something to be cocky about :\ Dark is a joke. Always great, just not when it matters. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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On August 03 2018 18:30 pvsnp wrote: Scarlett going back to cheese I see. Guess I can't blame her for that, gotta do what works for you and Scarlett peaked with cheese. We can excuse her. Classic doesn't fight with honor. | ||
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starkiller123
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On August 03 2018 18:33 dankobanana wrote: sure. he needs his hands to hold BOTH of his trophies. really something to be cocky about :\ Dark is a joke. Always great, just not when it matters. yeah making blizzcon finals and winning a starleague wasn't great, some people are morons | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On August 03 2018 18:35 Shellshock wrote: SHURA!!?!? Not just any Shura. OnFire.Shura | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 18:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: We can excuse her. Classic doesn't fight with honor. I mean, Scarlett doesn't either. At least Classic has demonstrated the ability duke it out with top Koreans in macro games Can't blame Scarlett for going for an optimal Scarlett strat. Can't cheer either. | ||
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dankobanana
Croatia238 Posts
On August 03 2018 18:34 starkiller123 wrote: yeah making blizzcon finals and winning a starleague wasn't great, some people are morons insults, really? rogue and soo have a much better career and they are never disrespectful as he is to inferior players. I'm saying its sad that someone who wants to be THE BEST and advertises himself like he is, likes to act like an asshole. if someone wants to shake your hand, dont be a dick. or dont mind be called upon for it. he WONT win this tournament. because thats his thing. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On August 03 2018 18:37 pvsnp wrote: I mean, Scarlett doesn't either. At least Classic has demonstrated the ability duke it out with top Koreans in macro games Can't blame Scarlett for going for an optimal Scarlett strat. Can't cheer either. You act as though she's never beaten a Korean in a macro game before | ||
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On August 03 2018 18:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: You act as though she's never beaten a Korean in a macro game before I was actually a big Scarlett fan in 2013. Scarlett's changed and so have I. | ||
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On August 03 2018 18:42 Shellshock wrote: BOP that's a pretty loud bop | ||
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pvsnp
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Perfectly balanced, as all things should be. | ||
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On August 03 2018 18:40 pvsnp wrote: I was actually a big Scarlett fan in 2013. Scarlett's changed and so have I. She does seem to favor the way of the cheese in ZvP, but she can totally play macro. iirc she rolled through Zest in the GSL via macro games. I know there was at least one drawn out game with Lurkers | ||
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On August 03 2018 18:43 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: She does seem to favor the way of the cheese in ZvP, but she can totally play macro. iirc she rolled through Zest in the GSL via macro games. I know there was at least one drawn out game with Lurkers She also lost macro ZvPs to Patience the following season. | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 18:43 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: She does seem to favor the way of the cheese in ZvP, but she can totally play macro. iirc she rolled through Zest in the GSL via macro games. I know there was at least one drawn out game with Lurkers Scarlett is not Has. But she isn't Serral either. Without the crutch of admittedly well-executed Noregret builds, Scarlett is a pretty average foreign Zerg, and those come dime a dozen. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On August 03 2018 18:43 Zetter wrote: I see the game hasn't really changed much since 2016. It actually has but today has sucked enough that you could be lead into thinking that | ||
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Creager
Germany1917 Posts
On August 03 2018 18:38 dankobanana wrote: insults, really? rogue and soo have a much better career and they are never disrespectful as he is to inferior players. I'm saying its sad that someone who wants to be THE BEST and advertises himself like he is, likes to act like an asshole. if someone wants to shake your hand, dont be a dick. or dont mind be called upon for it. he WONT win this tournament. because thats his thing. This tournament (although going a different route than previous iterations) is called GSL vs. the World for a reason, people want to see how foreigners match up against Koreans, so some additional banter is rather welcome. He's just conveying an image here and probably for entertainment reasons, nothing to get so worked up and salty about, really. Just spices up the competition in a kinda more relaxed environment for the players. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On August 03 2018 18:44 pvsnp wrote: Scarlett is not Has. But she isn't Serral either. So if she's some shade of grey between that black and white, like almost all players are, then you still can't be a fan of her? | ||
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Creager
Germany1917 Posts
On August 03 2018 18:44 pvsnp wrote: Scarlett is not Has. But she isn't Serral either. Without the crutch of admittedly well-executed Noregret builds, Scarlett is a pretty average foreign Zerg, and those come dime a dozen. People probably still remember her hey days as greatest up and coming foreigner during HotS. | ||
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pvsnp
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On August 03 2018 18:46 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: So if she's some shade of grey between they black and white, like almost all players are, then you still can't be a fan of her? I added some context to explain. Without cheese (well-executed thought it may be) Scarlett is not a particularly remarkable Zerg in a scene already oversaturated with unremarkable Zergs. The reason Scarlett draws particular ire from me is because, as I explained before, I dislike overhyped players and Scarlett is easily the single most overhyped player to ever touch SC2 On August 03 2018 18:47 Creager wrote: People probably still remember her hey days as greatest up and coming foreigner during HotS. I still remember those days (I was a 2013 Scarlett fan, actually) and it only makes me more disappointed in 2018 Scarlett. | ||
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Creager
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On August 03 2018 18:48 pvsnp wrote: I added some context to explain. Without cheese (well-executed thought it may be) Scarlett is not a particularly remarkable Zerg in a scene already oversaturated with unremarkable Zergs. I still remember those days (I was a 2013 Scarlett fan, actually) and it only makes me more disappointed in 2018 Scarlett. Kinda see the changes in how Zerg plays out nowadays responsible for her struggle, though, so I for my part can't really blame. She really excelled at LBM usage and those days are long gone, sadly. | ||
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that's for beating him so many times | ||
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On August 03 2018 18:56 HolydaKing wrote: will scarlett manage to lose this? =D This game is over. | ||
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Zetter
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Never underestimate the Scarlett throw. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On August 03 2018 18:48 pvsnp wrote: I added some context to explain. Without cheese (well-executed thought it may be) Scarlett is not a particularly remarkable Zerg in a scene already oversaturated with unremarkable Zergs. The reason Scarlett draws particular ire from me is because, as I explained before, I dislike overhyped players and Scarlett is easily the single most overhyped player to ever touch SC2 I still remember those days (I was a 2013 Scarlett fan, actually) and it only makes me more disappointed in 2018 Scarlett. The games evolved a lot since 2013 and not everyone kept the same play style, its better to be less predictable. If that kills it for you then whatever. Scarletts peaks are higher than any mediocre zerg is capable of so its not really fair to call her one, she's particularly abnormal in that respect | ||
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blunderfulguy
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On August 03 2018 18:59 pvsnp wrote: Now that was actually a good game from Scarlett. Just a shame that it's a rarity nowadays Now that was actually a good comment from pvsnp. Just a shame that it's a rarity nowadays | ||
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On August 03 2018 19:04 Mun_Su wrote: INno overcame Rogue ! Yes ! how were the games ? 2/2 push which either failed or worked. | ||
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Creager
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How did they fail when it was a 3-0? Edit: Ok, brainfart on my part, ofc they could fail without the game being decided | ||
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On August 03 2018 19:07 Creager wrote: How did they fail when it was a 3-0? Edit: Ok, brainfart on my part, ofc they could fail without the game being decided ...it was 3-1 | ||
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3-1  So it worderd more than failed, I hope he'll beat Serral after that. GJ INno, not even in Power Rank and still winning HSC and then beating Rogue | ||
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Oops. | ||
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On August 03 2018 19:23 Inflicted wrote: Pretty bad hold but classic survives Only if Scarlett had not droned huh... | ||
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On August 03 2018 19:31 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Range Phoenix are game. Rip fucking purple lazers | ||
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darklycid
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The only Thing worse than normal lazers. | ||
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On August 03 2018 19:35 ilikeredheads wrote: why is she still on lair tech???? Very low eco game. | ||
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On August 03 2018 19:35 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Ahhhhhbhhhbhjhhhh she should have won this game tonight is the fucking worst. Always tough to sleep well on a wet pillow. | ||
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On August 03 2018 19:35 blunderfulguy wrote: Ahead for so long, no major damage, then just done... No killer instinct. The fact that there were still probes at that third when 2 lings could have killed all of it was just terrible | ||
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Poopi
France12904 Posts
Not a good day for protoss fans it seems. INno was a good bet, I think it'll win me some places since some people believed in Rogue | ||
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ilikeredheads
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lol wut. She had like 6 bases. She had plenty of time to tech up when Classic started to turtle. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
On August 03 2018 19:38 Poopi wrote: 7/8 liquidbets so far, Zest let me down and Classic almost did. Not a good day for protoss fans it seems. INno was a good bet, I think it'll win me some places since some people believed in Rogue Yeah :/ fuck my life... | ||
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blunderfulguy
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On August 03 2018 19:39 ilikeredheads wrote: lol wut. She had like 6 bases. She had plenty of time to tech up when Classic started to turtle. Considering the Zealot runbys and how effective those 6 bases were, I'd say it was a pretty low eco game. | ||
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On August 03 2018 19:42 Creager wrote: Is Classic really saying Zerg is overpowered? lmao Three of protoss and terran while only two zerg in the quarterfinals. He couldn't be more wrong tbh. | ||
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On August 03 2018 19:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Well I kind of feel like I stayed up till 5am only to be massively disappnted over and over again. Guess I won't do this again. You say that every time | ||
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On August 03 2018 19:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Well I kind of feel like I stayed up till 5am only to be massively disappnted over and over again. Guess I won't do this again. Well, at some point you really should stop rooting for foreigners, I guess. Or just stick to WCS entirely. | ||
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DBooN
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On August 03 2018 19:42 Creager wrote: Is Classic really saying Zerg is overpowered? lmao PvZ is pretty difficult and Classic has been struggling with it in particular. | ||
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No I usually say I'll stop cheering for players because it only leads to negative emotions, this is different | ||
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Tyrhanius
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On August 03 2018 19:44 DBooN wrote: PvZ is pretty difficult and Classic has been struggling with it in particular. I've heard underwhelming (about his PvZ), not overpowered, but maybe i've missed a part of the interview | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On August 03 2018 19:46 Tyrhanius wrote: I've heard underwhelming (about his PvZ), not overpowered, but maybe i've missed a part of the interview I didn't hear the interview, was just replying to the post, so idk. | ||
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Poopi
France12904 Posts
On August 03 2018 19:43 D-light wrote: Three of protoss and terran while only two zerg in the quarterfinals. He couldn't be more wrong tbh. How is the race representation of a GSL vs World ro8 an indicator of balance? :x If Classic of all protoss struggle that much to beat Scarlett I'd tend to agree with him. I doubt he has a shot against Dark. And if he wins by miracle he better hope Serral doesn't beat INno or it'll be WESG all over again | ||
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Creager
Germany1917 Posts
On August 03 2018 19:46 Tyrhanius wrote: I've heard underwhelming (about his PvZ), not overpowered, but maybe i've missed a part of the interview Well, maybe I've misheard that, could be. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
Nope, the translator said "Zerg is op" | ||
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Fyzar
Netherlands8010 Posts
No you didn't mishear, he said something along the lines of "Dark only wins because he's Zerg anyways, Zerg is op" when he was asked about Dark's ceremony. | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 03 2018 19:48 Poopi wrote: How is the race representation of a GSL vs World ro8 an indicator of balance? :x Joking around. | ||
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Poopi
France12904 Posts
Thought you were saying this to overhype Serral :D | ||
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
gsl bored guy GSL bogus interview GSL dark pre game interview GSL bogus interview GSL this is the most [superlative here] tournament ever GSL audience guy <3 girl GSL cheers neeb will fall into the dark / Neeb art GSL cheer go world GSL Dark interview GSL cheer "kartoffeln fur die welt" gsl classic interview gsl flew 13 hours from the land of poutine to cheer for the queen go Scarlett GSL cheer | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 03 2018 20:02 Poopi wrote: Thought you were saying this to overhype Serral :D Nah. I try to avoid getting too excited. | ||
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jjmmtt
Australia995 Posts
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
She had way more army supply than Classic and if Classic left the sim city of his natural, he would have walked into a concave lineup of Scarlett's units. Instead, Scarlett decided to leave Classic's 3rd base alone and push into his natural. On top of that, I think she decided for another round of drones. Leaving Classic's 3rd base alone when he was on the ropes and then cutting army production for another round of drones is how she lost a game that she should have won. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
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Poopi
France12904 Posts
On August 03 2018 21:43 Geo.Rion wrote: Damn, Neeb messed up my perfect 8/8. I had faith in you! Very bold bet since Dark is the ultimate destroyer of foreigners Plus he shat on Neeb so hard in ByuN's blizzcon (2016) that I doubt Neeb had any hope of beating him even once after that :x | ||
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Mike L
Germany162 Posts
On August 03 2018 19:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Well I kind of feel like I stayed up till 5am only to be massively disappnted over and over again. Guess I won't do this again. it was great series plus Scarlett could win, i`m not disappointed even although i`m cheering for Scarlett too | ||
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Vutalisk
United States680 Posts
On August 03 2018 21:31 xelnaga_empire wrote: I don't get it. Scarlett has Classic on the rope in that last game. What she needed to do was to keep Classic hemmed inside the natural, while she could split off a small pack of units to kill the 3rd base and/or kill the probes in the 3rd base. She had way more army supply than Classic and if Classic left the sim city of his natural, he would have walked into a concave lineup of Scarlett's units. Instead, Scarlett decided to leave Classic's 3rd base alone and push into his natural. On top of that, I think she decided for another round of drones. Leaving Classic's 3rd base alone when he was on the ropes and then cutting army production for another round of drones is how she lost a game that she should have won. She had like 7 bases but stuck in Lair tech for too long. You either have to go to Hive tech or one massive fight and kill the P. You can't just expand while leaving the P along to get to Skytoss especially on Darkness (it is very hard to defend further way bases). I hate that map for Z. It was her game to lose. Classic did very well in buying time. Kudos to him. Other P may just YOLO and die to lings banes hydras. My prediction for Day 2 was 4/4. Yay! | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On August 04 2018 00:26 royalroadweed wrote: So far foreigners are 1-3 (5-10 map score) vs Koreans. The gap is closing, banning koreans from foreign events is working. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
it seems to me that pvz is extremely imbalanced in zerg favor. the onus is on zerg to scout well, and react quickly and smartly. if they do that, then they are just like... way ahead, every game. | ||
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allmotor1
153 Posts
I think there are less koreans it seems playing sc2 professionally and the competition over there is less than ever before in terms of the sheer amount of koreans and their pro houses disintegrating etc. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16005 Posts
On August 04 2018 03:52 allmotor1 wrote: Hi gingerfluffmuff, I don't know if it's that. I think there are less koreans it seems playing sc2 professionally and the competition over there is less than ever before in terms of the sheer amount of koreans and their pro houses disintegrating etc. Also the players are slowly getting old and slow. In BW the oldest player who ever won an OSL was Jangbi with 23 y. Right now the only players younger than that are Maru, Dark and Solar. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 04 2018 04:28 Charoisaur wrote: Also the players are slowly getting old and slow. In BW the oldest player who ever won an OSL was Jangbi with 23 y. Right now the only players younger than that are Maru, Dark and Solar. And the Koreans are getting worse, let's face the reality. | ||
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
On August 04 2018 04:54 deacon.frost wrote: And the Koreans are getting worse, let's face the reality. The future of Starcraft II literally hangs on the dedication of Reynor, Clem, and the like. | ||
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