wow.. tastosis is there.. the casting lineup is close to the best, having maynard, artosis, rotterdam and incontrol..pff.. I don`t even know who else I miss from there as host/caster.
Looking forward to some good games, thanks again Blizz for doing this!
Thanks a lot to whoever edits in the twitch streams into each group in real time here: 2018 WCS Valencia/Group Stage 1 (those boxes are a little bigger thx to the twitch icon)
On July 12 2018 21:13 flyleaf wrote: Lucifron 2:0 Masa - oooookay.
Lucifron has 6200 MMR and his brother has 6800 MMR.
Really? Thought they wouldn't really play anymore and just playing the tournament because it's in spain. I guess Stephano is now in danger of not making it past first group stage with his ZvZ oO.
Edit: Well, result was changed to 2:0 Masa - just a liquipedia troll it seems :>.
so sad for Vortix vs Stephano.. 1 of them will be out.. Stephano just barely is getting back to his shape, strong at HSC.. but really poor ZvZ Vortix, hometown favourite, hihg MMR zerg.. (rumours 6800, good ZvZ) whoever will fail to qualify, i will be sad
Steph is tactically brillant in both zvp and zvt but in zvz... He is always late in positionning and has 0 lecture of his opponent's army movement... Still gg vortix, I am glad to see him again.
It's double time too cause they first said that Lucifron beat Masa 2-0 in the first match, then changed that to 0-2, then 2-1 in the rematch changed to 1-2
Is there any reason why dreamhack insists on using 720p60 for sc2 when all of dreamhack's other games are streaming at 1080p60 with the same bitrate? Looks like ass.
On July 12 2018 23:38 Nakajin wrote: Daaaaaaaamn Lillekanin just proxy a rax then stole Clem tech lab up the main ramp and recherche concusive shell out of it, play of the tournament
On July 12 2018 23:38 Nakajin wrote: Daaaaaaaamn Lillekanin just proxy a rax then stole Clem tech lab up the main ramp and recherche concusive shell out of it, play of the tournament
Whaaaat
I missed the first few moment but I think it was proxy rax vs proxy rax and when clem lift his factory in his main to switch it with his starport for the follow up Lillekanin stole the tech lab and produce marauder and concusive shell right in Clem main.
On July 12 2018 23:38 Nakajin wrote: Daaaaaaaamn Lillekanin just proxy a rax then stole Clem tech lab up the main ramp and recherche concusive shell out of it, play of the tournament
Whaaaat
I missed the first few moment but I think it was proxy rax vs proxy rax and when clem lift his factory in his main to switch it with his starport for the follow up Lillekanin stole the tech lab and produce marauder and concusive shell right in Clem main.
On July 12 2018 23:38 Nakajin wrote: Daaaaaaaamn Lillekanin just proxy a rax then stole Clem tech lab up the main ramp and recherche concusive shell out of it, play of the tournament
On July 12 2018 23:38 Nakajin wrote: Daaaaaaaamn Lillekanin just proxy a rax then stole Clem tech lab up the main ramp and recherche concusive shell out of it, play of the tournament
On July 12 2018 23:38 Nakajin wrote: Daaaaaaaamn Lillekanin just proxy a rax then stole Clem tech lab up the main ramp and recherche concusive shell out of it, play of the tournament
Hm, is the quality of the games a little lower than it should be? Looks like 720p when the casters are on camera, but in game it looks more like a dark 480p or so.
On July 13 2018 00:12 shabby wrote: Hm, is the quality of the games a little lower than it should be? Looks like 720p when the casters are on camera, but in game it looks more like a dark 480p or so.
On July 13 2018 00:12 shabby wrote: Hm, is the quality of the games a little lower than it should be? Looks like 720p when the casters are on camera, but in game it looks more like a dark 480p or so.
Hum I don't know my 360p looks just has laggy has usual
i would love if everyone did something like this, even if only the stream they are watching, so i woudnt have to look at that many streams to search the series i want to watch
On July 12 2018 23:38 Nakajin wrote: Daaaaaaaamn Lillekanin just proxy a rax then stole Clem tech lab up the main ramp and recherche concusive shell out of it, play of the tournament
Wish I could watch.. No koreans in wcs really hurts me though.. Find it funny that they take the best casters in the game(GSL Casters DAN AND NICK) and bring them to wcs. but not the best players. WCS should change name to EBTB Series... Everyone Besides The Best
On July 13 2018 00:45 cenflamatty wrote: Wish I could watch.. No koreans in wcs really hurts me though.. Find it funny that they take the best casters in the game(GSL Casters DAN AND NICK) and bring them to wcs. but not the best players. WCS should change name to EBTB Series... Everyone Besides The Best
On July 13 2018 01:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: RIP in pieces TLO
Demu wins 2-3 overall, this is why GSL group aren't great
I think the solution to GSL style groups is to give the player who won the first series in case of a rematch a 1-game advantage. Maybe you pair that with turning the decider match into a best of 5, but that would be more viable in the actual GSL when they aren't doing 3 group stages in a day.
The thing is, if your mom sounded weird, would you even notice it? Since you have been listening to her all your life, it would obviously sound normal to you, but in reality she might sound weird.
On July 13 2018 02:22 Boggyb wrote: I think we can all agree that we need iNcontroL to call Heartland's mom and talk to her on speaker phone to apologize while on stream.
(Vote): Group A (Vote): Group B (Vote): Group C (Vote): Group D (Vote): Group E (Vote): Group F (Vote): Group G (Vote): Group H (Vote): There are no groups of death this round
Starladder - Bly vs Serral Take - HeRoMaRinE vs Seither ESL PL - Nerchio vs puCK Allaryce - PtitDrogo vs Scarlett Mintcrystal - Silky vs ShoWTimE yamapickle - Namshar vs Harstem MarthTV - HuT vs Reynor
Group D is very interesting - you have Kelazhur who is the obvious favorite and veteran, and then 2nd place can go to:
Clem: hyped young player who is looking to break through to a great result Demuslim: hasnt had a relevant top finish in a long time, but looks to be in form Rex: long-standing TW veteran with no international results
Really intrigued by who would be coming out in 2nd here
On July 13 2018 02:44 Inflicted wrote: Starladder - Bly vs Serral Take - HeRoMaRinE vs Seither ESL PL - Nerchio vs puCK Allaryce - PtitDrogo vs Scarlett Mintcrystal - Silky vs ShoWTimE yamapickle - Namshar vs Harstem MarthTV - HuT vs Reynor
On July 13 2018 02:53 chipmonklord17 wrote: I'm so sad Has keeps failing code S qualifiers. I'd love to see his style in a more planning oriented tournament than a weekender
Has would be a god in a preparation-based tournament because how the hell do you prepare for the bag of mystery known as HAS.
On July 13 2018 02:53 chipmonklord17 wrote: I'm so sad Has keeps failing code S qualifiers. I'd love to see his style in a more planning oriented tournament than a weekender
Has would be a god in a preparation-based tournament because how the hell do you prepare for the bag of mystery known as HAS.
On July 13 2018 02:53 chipmonklord17 wrote: I'm so sad Has keeps failing code S qualifiers. I'd love to see his style in a more planning oriented tournament than a weekender
Has would be a god in a preparation-based tournament because how the hell do you prepare for the bag of mystery known as HAS.
You talk to sOs?
Now you have me thinking of a sOs vs Has BO7. I NEED THIS.
On July 13 2018 02:53 chipmonklord17 wrote: I'm so sad Has keeps failing code S qualifiers. I'd love to see his style in a more planning oriented tournament than a weekender
Has would be a god in a preparation-based tournament because how the hell do you prepare for the bag of mystery known as HAS.
You talk to sOs?
Now you have me thinking of a sOs vs Has BO7. I NEED THIS.
I feel like it would play out almost identically to sOs herO at IEM Katowice in 2014. sOs wins 4-1 by outsmarting and outmicroing Has and drops a map to a straight build order loss.
Come on Scarlett, get your stuff together. Pretty confident she can get through to tomorrow at least though. The rest of her group is pretty easy. Then again, protoss v Scarlett...
On July 13 2018 03:47 Boggyb wrote: GSL vs the World voting should have been held until after this tournament.
does anyone know why no reynor in the vote?
Because of his age he can't compete in WCS tournaments so technical he's not part of the World team. (My best guess). It does suck considering he's breaking out right now. IMO he's the premier storyline of this tournament and it's being missed. I hope that they put the focus on him if he gets through this stage.
On July 13 2018 03:47 Boggyb wrote: GSL vs the World voting should have been held until after this tournament.
does anyone know why no reynor in the vote?
Because of his age he can't compete in WCS tournaments so technical he's not part of the World team. (My best guess). It does suck considering he's breaking out right now. IMO he's the premier storyline of this tournament and it's being missed. I hope that they put the focus on him if he gets through this stage.
They will.
I'm starting to believe. I think he'll only be knocked out by Serral (maybe Special or Neeb, but those games would be close).
On July 13 2018 03:50 Boggyb wrote: I hope Reynor gets second in his group so he gets matched up with Serral in round 1 of the playoffs.
Why? Do you hate him? that is a possible finals and you like unfairness? But i dont think thats gonna happen since game 2 against Showtime is looking good for him as well
Do people not watch Reynor? You guys sound like you're just hearing the hype about him, but not actually seeing him play, his games verse Classic were insane and his games today have been sick too. If he doesn't win this I'll be surprised.
On July 13 2018 03:57 Sprungjeezy wrote: Do people not watch Reynor? You guys sound like you're just hearing the hype about him, but not actually seeing him play, his games verse Classic were insane and his games today have been sick too. If he doesn't win this I'll be surprised.
Well, online he beat him again and then got owned by Trap. I'm definitely thinking he'll make it far, but I don't think he wins this tournament.
On July 13 2018 03:57 Sprungjeezy wrote: Do people not watch Reynor? You guys sound like you're just hearing the hype about him, but not actually seeing him play, his games verse Classic were insane and his games today have been sick too. If he doesn't win this I'll be surprised.
The ability to play an insane game is impressive. The ability to win a tournament is something else. Reynor is playing very well, don't get me wrong, but it's a long way from the Group Stages to the trophy.
On July 13 2018 03:50 Boggyb wrote: I hope Reynor gets second in his group so he gets matched up with Serral in round 1 of the playoffs.
Honestly what do you have against Reynor? You wanted the kid to get shown up and made a fool in GSL and now you want him to get knocked out as early as possible here? Like I get not particularly liking players, but what could Reynor possibly have done to earn your active desire for him to fail and get mocked?
On July 13 2018 03:50 Boggyb wrote: I hope Reynor gets second in his group so he gets matched up with Serral in round 1 of the playoffs.
Honestly what do you have against Reynor? You wanted the kid to get shown up and made a fool in GSL and now you want him to get knocked out as early as possible here? Like I get not particularly liking players, but what could Reynor possibly have done to earn your active desire for him to fail and get mocked?
I hate when players get hyped based on one good series or by beating up on nobodies.
On July 13 2018 03:50 Boggyb wrote: I hope Reynor gets second in his group so he gets matched up with Serral in round 1 of the playoffs.
Honestly what do you have against Reynor? You wanted the kid to get shown up and made a fool in GSL and now you want him to get knocked out as early as possible here? Like I get not particularly liking players, but what could Reynor possibly have done to earn your active desire for him to fail and get mocked?
I hate when players get hyped based on one good series or by beating up on nobodies.
RO16 in GSL, bopped Classic in a decider match, and has cruised to RO16 here. Kinda worth the hype. Youngest ever GM player, this is his first eligible WCS event. Why are you upset with people being excited?
On July 13 2018 04:05 stilt wrote: How is reynor zvz? Could he be a contender vs king serral?
He beat Solar recently in an online tournament, so possibly good though I feel like every time I've expected Solar to do something in ZvZ since before the 2016 WCS Global Finals has lead to disappointment.
So many great matches happening right now. TRUE vs DnS has potential (despite DnS shitting the bed earlier), Mana vs Bly if I recall correctly was a Dreamhack Final once upon a time. Scarlet vs PtitDrogo should be good, Special vs Elazer is a fantastic matchup, Neeb vs Snute is an epic matchup too.
Wow, I just tuned in and I have to say... that production seems really... sluggish. I'm still under the great impression of HomestoryCup where games were switches all the time instantly. This showing from replay with already known results is kind of lame. Then hearing the deskhosts reading some results while they already could be in another game...? Well... I shouldn't judge too soon, I guess.
On July 13 2018 04:07 Keeemy wrote: Hopefully Serral and Reynor end up on opposite sides of the bracket. Could be a fun game.
EZ for king Serral though.
Higher chance of him being on other side of bracket than on same, given they both got 1st in their group (3 slots on same side vs 4 slots on opposite side)
On July 13 2018 04:07 Keeemy wrote: Hopefully Serral and Reynor end up on opposite sides of the bracket. Could be a fun game.
EZ for king Serral though.
Higher chance of him being on other side of bracket than on same, given they both got 1st in their group (3 slots on same side vs 4 slots on opposite side)
Yeah but you just know that they're gonna face each other in the quarterfinals already. It's written in the stars.
snute vs neeb 0-1 /allaryce_ rex vs demuslim 0-1 /esl_algs elazer vs special 0-0 /horusstv dns vs true 0-0 /OGamingTV SC2 harstem vs namshar 0-0 /PhoenixTears /taketv
On July 13 2018 04:08 fronkschnonk wrote: Wow, I just tuned in and I have to say... that production seems really... sluggish. I'm still under the great impression of HomestoryCup where games were switches all the time instantly. This showing from replay with already known results is kind of lame. Then hearing the deskhosts reading some results while they already could be in another game...? Well... I shouldn't judge too soon, I guess.
There are a lot of side streams catching the other games and kicking butt. So if you want some action just click around.
edit: Especially if you've heard enough about clowns.
On July 13 2018 03:50 Boggyb wrote: I hope Reynor gets second in his group so he gets matched up with Serral in round 1 of the playoffs.
Honestly what do you have against Reynor? You wanted the kid to get shown up and made a fool in GSL and now you want him to get knocked out as early as possible here? Like I get not particularly liking players, but what could Reynor possibly have done to earn your active desire for him to fail and get mocked?
I hate when players get hyped based on one good series or by beating up on nobodies.
TIL a GSL and IEM champion, IEM World Championship Runner up, second highest WCS Korea Points currently is a nobody...
On July 13 2018 03:50 Boggyb wrote: I hope Reynor gets second in his group so he gets matched up with Serral in round 1 of the playoffs.
Honestly what do you have against Reynor? You wanted the kid to get shown up and made a fool in GSL and now you want him to get knocked out as early as possible here? Like I get not particularly liking players, but what could Reynor possibly have done to earn your active desire for him to fail and get mocked?
I hate when players get hyped based on one good series or by beating up on nobodies.
TIL a GSL and IEM champion, IEM World Championship Runner up, second highest WCS Korea Points currently is a nobody...
Tomorrow you need to learn the meaning of the word "or".
On July 13 2018 03:50 Boggyb wrote: I hope Reynor gets second in his group so he gets matched up with Serral in round 1 of the playoffs.
Honestly what do you have against Reynor? You wanted the kid to get shown up and made a fool in GSL and now you want him to get knocked out as early as possible here? Like I get not particularly liking players, but what could Reynor possibly have done to earn your active desire for him to fail and get mocked?
I hate when players get hyped based on one good series or by beating up on nobodies.
TIL a GSL and IEM champion, IEM World Championship Runner up, second highest WCS Korea Points currently is a nobody...
Tomorrow you need to learn the meaning of the word "or".
Reynor beat Classic in 2 bo3s, 2 days in a row, you need to calm the fuck down, Mr. "Expert".
On July 13 2018 04:08 fronkschnonk wrote: Wow, I just tuned in and I have to say... that production seems really... sluggish. I'm still under the great impression of HomestoryCup where games were switches all the time instantly. This showing from replay with already known results is kind of lame. Then hearing the deskhosts reading some results while they already could be in another game...? Well... I shouldn't judge too soon, I guess.
There are a lot of side streams catching the other games and kicking butt. So if you want some action just click around.
edit: Especially if you've heard enough about clowns.
Yes, you're right. I happened to tune in two other streams were also were a pause coincidentally. I shouldn't judge too soon, like I said
Still a bit sad that the main stream isn't featuring some more games. But I have to admit that the comparison with HSC is a bit unfair - they just have the imba DJ
On July 13 2018 03:50 Boggyb wrote: I hope Reynor gets second in his group so he gets matched up with Serral in round 1 of the playoffs.
Honestly what do you have against Reynor? You wanted the kid to get shown up and made a fool in GSL and now you want him to get knocked out as early as possible here? Like I get not particularly liking players, but what could Reynor possibly have done to earn your active desire for him to fail and get mocked?
I hate when players get hyped based on one good series or by beating up on nobodies.
TIL a GSL and IEM champion, IEM World Championship Runner up, second highest WCS Korea Points currently is a nobody...
Tomorrow you need to learn the meaning of the word "or".
Okay, so no other series that Reynor's competed in are "good series"? I assumed the "one good series" was in reference to him destroying Showtime just now.
Are you seriously implying Showtime is a nobody? He's probably the best protoss player in Europe, and easily one of Europe's top 4 players I'd say.
But hey, keep moving those goalposts if you want there bud.
I mean Reynor is really good but i think he also profits a bit from ZvP being a little Z favored at foreign level (at least it seems like this to me). Nontheless he will have a pretty bright future if he holds this level.
If anyone wants to put their money where their mouth is in backing the Reynor hype, $100 says Reynor doesn't make it past the ro8 here and doesn't make it out of his ro16 group in GSL.
On July 13 2018 04:28 Boggyb wrote: If anyone wants to put their money where their mouth is in backing the Reynor hype, $100 says Reynor doesn't make it past the ro8 here and doesn't make it out of his ro16 group in GSL.
Kinda pointless to make a bet now when we don't know who he's going to play.
On July 13 2018 04:28 Boggyb wrote: If anyone wants to put their money where their mouth is in backing the Reynor hype, $100 says Reynor doesn't make it past the ro8 here and doesn't make it out of his ro16 group in GSL.
Kinda pointless to make a bet now when we don't know who he's going to play.
Yeah, but it's easy to offer a bet that nobody will take you up on
Personally I wish people would ease up a bit on the Reynor hype, even though I love child prodigies and thus Reynor (and I gotta say, he does look like the real deal). Why do people always have to get ahead of themselves just to get excited? Can people not be happy with what they have instead of degenerating into fantasies?
Not just a Starcraft thing either. Something something counting chickens before they hatch.
On July 13 2018 04:28 Boggyb wrote: If anyone wants to put their money where their mouth is in backing the Reynor hype, $100 says Reynor doesn't make it past the ro8 here and doesn't make it out of his ro16 group in GSL.
Kinda pointless to make a bet now when we don't know who he's going to play.
I won't make a bet and I'm not sure anyone else will, but I got your back. I'll give you a week ban if Reynor makes the finals.
On July 13 2018 04:28 Boggyb wrote: If anyone wants to put their money where their mouth is in backing the Reynor hype, $100 says Reynor doesn't make it past the ro8 here and doesn't make it out of his ro16 group in GSL.
Kinda pointless to make a bet now when we don't know who he's going to play.
Yeah, but it's easy to offer a bet that nobody will take you up on
Had I just said here, then yeah, you'd be a fool to take that bet since he's getting Serral in the ro8.
On July 13 2018 04:42 vult wrote: Man some people are just buzzkills. Why do you feel the need to trashtalk people who are excited about new blood in the scene? Jeez louise.
Your opinion and attitude is worse and you should feel bad.
On July 13 2018 04:42 vult wrote: Man some people are just buzzkills. Why do you feel the need to trashtalk people who are excited about new blood in the scene? Jeez louise.
Your opinion and attitude is worse and you should feel bad.
Confirmed Reynor is shit and should just uninstall.
On July 13 2018 04:42 vult wrote: Man some people are just buzzkills. Why do you feel the need to trashtalk people who are excited about new blood in the scene? Jeez louise.
Your opinion and attitude is worse and you should feel bad.
Confirmed Reynor is shit and should just uninstall.
On July 13 2018 04:42 vult wrote: Man some people are just buzzkills. Why do you feel the need to trashtalk people who are excited about new blood in the scene? Jeez louise.
Your opinion and attitude is worse and you should feel bad.
Confirmed Reynor is shit and should just uninstall.
Did he even play bw? like cmon people
Bro, did you even BW? I think you have discovered the next starcraft meme.
On July 13 2018 04:45 Uberfather wrote: if reynor doesnt have special neeb or serral in his way through ro16 and ro8 im pretty confident he makes ro4
I'd say Reynor is favored vs Neeb in their current forms
i think he is favored, but Neeb did just say after group stage 2 that he is doing pretty well in pvz, and he backed it up in group stage 3, so im not that confidident. 55-45 kinda of thing
They don't even wait to reveal the playoff bracket? I mean, yeah, you can figure it out, but why should I bother when they can just spit it out via a computer.
On July 13 2018 04:45 Uberfather wrote: if reynor doesnt have special neeb or serral in his way through ro16 and ro8 im pretty confident he makes ro4
I'd say Reynor is favored vs Neeb in their current forms
i think he is favored, but Neeb did just say after group stage 2 that he is doing pretty well in pvz, and he backed it up in group stage 3, so im not that confidident. 55-45 kind of thing
On July 13 2018 04:28 Boggyb wrote: If anyone wants to put their money where their mouth is in backing the Reynor hype, $100 says Reynor doesn't make it past the ro8 here and doesn't make it out of his ro16 group in GSL.
I like the first half of that. I'm hyping Reynor's chances here, not in GSL. I'll put a hundred on Reynor making it past the RO8 here. Deal? If so, let's get a third party to ensure this.
I'm feeling good as long as he doesn't end up against Serral in RO8.
If Has has a Mana like run to the finals or even wins it, he still won't even have a chance to play in GSL vs. The World since the voting started before this tournament.
On July 13 2018 04:28 Boggyb wrote: If anyone wants to put their money where their mouth is in backing the Reynor hype, $100 says Reynor doesn't make it past the ro8 here and doesn't make it out of his ro16 group in GSL.
I like the first half of that. I'm hyping Reynor's chances here, not in GSL. I'll put a hundred on Reynor making it past the RO8 here. Deal? If so, let's get a third party to ensure this.
I'm feeling good as long as he doesn't end up against Serral in RO8.
If he doesn't get Serral in the ro8, then no bet since that means the brackets were rigged.
On July 13 2018 04:28 Boggyb wrote: If anyone wants to put their money where their mouth is in backing the Reynor hype, $100 says Reynor doesn't make it past the ro8 here and doesn't make it out of his ro16 group in GSL.
Kinda pointless to make a bet now when we don't know who he's going to play.
I won't make a bet and I'm not sure anyone else will, but I got your back. I'll give you a week ban if Reynor makes the finals.
On July 13 2018 04:28 Boggyb wrote: If anyone wants to put their money where their mouth is in backing the Reynor hype, $100 says Reynor doesn't make it past the ro8 here and doesn't make it out of his ro16 group in GSL.
I like the first half of that. I'm hyping Reynor's chances here, not in GSL. I'll put a hundred on Reynor making it past the RO8 here. Deal? If so, let's get a third party to ensure this.
I'm feeling good as long as he doesn't end up against Serral in RO8.
If he doesn't get Serral in the ro8, then no bet since that means the brackets were rigged.
"don't hype reynor but i won't do the bet unless he plays vs the undisputed best player in wcs" hmmmmmmm
On July 13 2018 04:28 Boggyb wrote: If anyone wants to put their money where their mouth is in backing the Reynor hype, $100 says Reynor doesn't make it past the ro8 here and doesn't make it out of his ro16 group in GSL.
I like the first half of that. I'm hyping Reynor's chances here, not in GSL. I'll put a hundred on Reynor making it past the RO8 here. Deal? If so, let's get a third party to ensure this.
I'm feeling good as long as he doesn't end up against Serral in RO8.
If he doesn't get Serral in the ro8, then no bet since that means the brackets were rigged.
Lol, way to pussy foot out of it.
B and C champs weren't lined up in Austin: 2018 WCS Austin .
You've got at least solid chance that they'll meet in RO8 anyways, but you're obviously a chicken shit.
If your bet is literally only "I bet Reynor loses to the two time defending champion!" then obviously nobody is going to take that bet, and nobody is saying Reynor is beating Serral. People are just stoked at how well the dude is doing, he keeps making impressive results every time he competes in 2018.
On July 13 2018 04:56 Uberfather wrote: the brackets are already determined? i mean the part without the players 1st of group etc vs 2nd etc? or is there some kind of draw?
It should be 1v16 8v9 4v13 5v12
2v15 7v10 3v14 6v11
Players are ranked by group placement and WCS points.
one dude did seem to say he would be surprised if reynor wasnt the champion, but the rest of us on the reynor "hype" just think he is showing promise. love that phrase
On July 13 2018 04:56 Uberfather wrote: the brackets are already determined? i mean the part without the players 1st of group etc vs 2nd etc? or is there some kind of draw?
It should be 1v16 8v9 4v13 5v12
2v15 7v10 3v14 6v11
Players are ranked by group placement and WCS points.
They've rigged it in the past though.
I love how rigging it is any bracket other than the one you want.
On July 13 2018 04:56 Uberfather wrote: the brackets are already determined? i mean the part without the players 1st of group etc vs 2nd etc? or is there some kind of draw?
It should be 1v16 8v9 4v13 5v12
2v15 7v10 3v14 6v11
Players are ranked by group placement and WCS points.
They've rigged it in the past though.
I love how rigging it is any bracket other than the one you want.
Rigging it is any bracket that doesn't follow the rules they set out. SpeCial complained about it during a tournament in 2017 as he was IIRC given a much earlier date with Neeb than the rules said he should have gotten.
On July 13 2018 04:56 Uberfather wrote: the brackets are already determined? i mean the part without the players 1st of group etc vs 2nd etc? or is there some kind of draw?
It should be 1v16 8v9 4v13 5v12
2v15 7v10 3v14 6v11
Players are ranked by group placement and WCS points.
They've rigged it in the past though.
I love how rigging it is any bracket other than the one you want.
Rigging it is any bracket that doesn't follow the rules they set out. SpeCial complained about it during a tournament in 2017 as he was IIRC given a much earlier date with Neeb than the rules said he should have gotten.
Aight, since I'm sure this will come up later, you've pussied out twice now. Deal's officially off.
On July 13 2018 05:14 HolydaKing wrote: Wow, True is out against DnS. I wonder if his teams manager will post a furious tweet about it again. Or am I remembering wrong?
You remember right, but Ej was faster than you. iAsonu without any armor upgrades in a 17 minute ZvZ :o
On July 13 2018 05:14 HolydaKing wrote: Wow, True is out against DnS. I wonder if his teams manager will post a furious tweet about it again. Or am I remembering wrong?
No, correct team. Silky also lost so he isn't safe either :D.
Assuming I can do math, it should be: (1) Serral vs (16) Harstem (8) Reynor vs (9) SpeCial (4) Heromarine vs (13) Scarlett (5) uThermal vs (12) Kelazhur
(2) Neeb vs (15) DnS (7) Clem vs (10) Showtime (3) Nerchio vs (14) Bly (6) Has vs (11) Snute
The bottom bracket can be flipped upside down if they want 1 and 2 to be visually on the opposite side of the bracket though it doesn't make any difference in terms of who plays who.
On July 13 2018 05:29 Nakajin wrote: I was gone for a while, did they draw the playoff bracket already?
They ended the stream before group stage 3 was finished, so no on stream bracket draw. They don't actually do a bracket draw but they SHOULD have stayed around to reveal it.
On July 13 2018 05:31 Die4Ever wrote: wait, Has won his group, wtf! are there VODs of this? did they show any of his games on the main stream?
They showed his series vs. Elazer on the main stream but his series vs SpeCial was not covered on the main stream and I'm not sure if anyone casted it.
Reynor's ZvP was super impressive today, however if the brackets are based on seed, he won't get a Protoss until likely the finals, unless THE YEAR OF HARSTEM IS REAL
On July 13 2018 05:37 vult wrote: Reynor's ZvP was super impressive today, however if the brackets are based on seed, he won't get a Protoss until likely the finals, unless THE YEAR OF HARSTEM IS REAL
The thing is he is not specially good against protoss or anything. His zvt is pretty solid too, and he says his best matchup is zvz. We'll see.
On July 13 2018 05:37 vult wrote: Reynor's ZvP was super impressive today, however if the brackets are based on seed, he won't get a Protoss until likely the finals, unless THE YEAR OF HARSTEM IS REAL
Giving that he spent some time training in Korea and 2-0d Ryung, I have good feelings for this young boy
I, uh, don't understand that bracket. Parts of it follow the rules but parts of it looks like they just made shit up.
I'm not a Scarlett fan and am not happy that she's inevitably going to make it to GSL vs. The World over WCS Circuit players with greater results in WCS tournaments, but man did she get boned.
How are these determined anyway? Does the WCS standings have anything to do with it? If so you'd expect #1 (Serral) and #4 (Showtime) on one side of the bracket and #2 (Special) and #3 (Neeb) on the other. Neeb and Showtime were even in the same round 3 group.
On July 13 2018 06:51 Penev wrote: How are these determined anyway? Does the WCS standings have anything to do with it? If so you'd expect #1 (Serral) and #4 (Showtime) on one side of the bracket and #2 (Special) and #3 (Neeb) on the other. Neeb and Showtime were even in the same round 3 group.
As far as I understood it: Players who finished 1st in their round 3 group are seeded 1-8 based on WCS Circuit points. Players who finished 2nd in their round 3 group are seeded 9-16 based on WCS Circuit points.
They are then matched up: 1v16 8v9 4v13 5v12
2v15 7v10 3v14 6v11
That should have given us: (1) Serral vs (16) Harstem (8) Reynor vs (9) SpeCial (4) Heromarine vs (13) Scarlett (5) uThermal vs (12) Kelazhur
(2) Neeb vs (15) DnS (7) Clem vs (10) Showtime (3) Nerchio vs (14) Bly (6) Has vs (11) Snute
We got: (1) Serral vs (13) Scarlett (8) Reynor vs (9) SpeCial (4) Heromarine vs (15) DnS (5) uThermal vs (11) Snute
(2) Neeb vs (14) Bly (7) Clem vs (10) Showtime (3) Nerchio vs (16) Harstem (6) Has vs (12) Kelazhur
On July 13 2018 06:51 Penev wrote: How are these determined anyway? Does the WCS standings have anything to do with it? If so you'd expect #1 (Serral) and #4 (Showtime) on one side of the bracket and #2 (Special) and #3 (Neeb) on the other. Neeb and Showtime were even in the same round 3 group.
As far as I understood it: ...
it's a weird way to cook the books. What can explain the setup?
I think they just seeded the winners from the third groupstage from 1 to 8 according to WCS points, and then 9 to 16 were drawn randomly between the second placed players in the third groupstage
On July 13 2018 06:51 Penev wrote: How are these determined anyway? Does the WCS standings have anything to do with it? If so you'd expect #1 (Serral) and #4 (Showtime) on one side of the bracket and #2 (Special) and #3 (Neeb) on the other. Neeb and Showtime were even in the same round 3 group.
As far as I understood it: Players who finished 1st in their round 3 group are seeded 1-8 based on WCS Circuit points. Players who finished 2nd in their round 3 group are seeded 9-16 based on WCS Circuit points.
They are then matched up: 1v16 8v9 4v13 5v12
2v15 7v10 3v14 6v11
That should have given us: (1) Serral vs (16) Harstem (8) Reynor vs (9) SpeCial (4) Heromarine vs (13) Scarlett (5) uThermal vs (12) Kelazhur
(2) Neeb vs (15) DnS (7) Clem vs (10) Showtime (3) Nerchio vs (14) Bly (6) Has vs (11) Snute
We got: (1) Serral vs (13) Scarlett (8) Reynor vs (9) SpeCial (4) Heromarine vs (15) DnS (5) uThermal vs (11) Snute
(2) Neeb vs (14) Bly (7) Clem vs (10) Showtime (3) Nerchio vs (16) Harstem (6) Has vs (12) Kelazhur
Hmm, and they didn't need to correct anything to not have group stage #3 match ups in RO16 so I wonder what's going on here.
On July 13 2018 07:04 HsDLTitich wrote: I think they just seeded the winners from the third groupstage from 1 to 8 according to WCS points, and then 9 to 16 were drawn randomly between the second placed players in the third groupstage
On July 13 2018 07:04 HsDLTitich wrote: I think they just seeded the winners from the third groupstage from 1 to 8 according to WCS points, and then 9 to 16 were drawn randomly between the second placed players in the third groupstage
I suppose that is possible, but why on earth would you do that? It makes sense to either fully seed or go full random (possibly with no non-finals group stage rematches), not half seed and half random. I suppose you could also let the seeded players select their first round opponent.
It also doesn't make sense to use a format different than what it is used to determine playoff seeding for the WCS Global Finals.
On July 13 2018 07:04 HsDLTitich wrote: I think they just seeded the winners from the third groupstage from 1 to 8 according to WCS points, and then 9 to 16 were drawn randomly between the second placed players in the third groupstage
I suppose that is possible, but why on earth would you do that? It makes sense to either fully seed or go full random (possibly with no non-finals group stage rematches), not half seed and half random. I suppose you could also let the seeded players select their first round opponent.
Maybe to avoid 1st and 2nd place finishers from the same group facing each other in the RO16 (tho that wouldn't have happened this time, but you never know I guess?)
I'm pretty stoked for Special vs Reynor. That's such a great test of Reynor's skill, and one that really could go either way. While the players at 5th place and worse in WCS points might shift a lot between this tournament and Montreal, I think the players in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th are exactly who they should be. So it's fitting that after beating Showtime, Europe's best protoss player (and 4th best foreigner in my opinion, and 4th in WCS points) Reynor now fights Special, best foreign terran player (and arguably best foreign terran player ever, Thorzain's the only one with a better pedigree), 3rd best foreigner, and if he beats him he takes on the best foreigner overall in Serral. It's a hell of a trial by fire no doubt, but that adds to the epic narrative unfolding.
Still wish it wasn't happening in the RO16, and I REALLY wish Serral vs Special or Reynor wasn't a RO8 match, but I'm excited for these games nevertheless!
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2018 WCS Valencia 
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