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[WCS 2018] Valencia - Group Stage Slug Fest! - Page 24

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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 21:48:28
July 12 2018 21:47 GMT
#461
I, uh, don't understand that bracket. Parts of it follow the rules but parts of it looks like they just made shit up.

I'm not a Scarlett fan and am not happy that she's inevitably going to make it to GSL vs. The World over WCS Circuit players with greater results in WCS tournaments, but man did she get boned.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
July 12 2018 21:48 GMT
#462
As crazy as it sound I feel like it's Has opportunity for a semi-final run.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28494 Posts
July 12 2018 21:51 GMT
#463
How are these determined anyway? Does the WCS standings have anything to do with it? If so you'd expect #1 (Serral) and #4 (Showtime) on one side of the bracket and #2 (Special) and #3 (Neeb) on the other. Neeb and Showtime were even in the same round 3 group.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
July 12 2018 21:51 GMT
#464
And it looks like once again. Scarlett is gonna get ZvZd out of WCS unless she can make am IEM miracle happen again
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 12 2018 21:52 GMT
#465
On July 13 2018 06:38 Scarlett` wrote:
kek

Appropriate comment!
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 21:56:58
July 12 2018 21:54 GMT
#466
On July 13 2018 06:51 Penev wrote:
How are these determined anyway? Does the WCS standings have anything to do with it? If so you'd expect #1 (Serral) and #4 (Showtime) on one side of the bracket and #2 (Special) and #3 (Neeb) on the other. Neeb and Showtime were even in the same round 3 group.

As far as I understood it:
Players who finished 1st in their round 3 group are seeded 1-8 based on WCS Circuit points.
Players who finished 2nd in their round 3 group are seeded 9-16 based on WCS Circuit points.

They are then matched up:
1v16
8v9
4v13
5v12

2v15
7v10
3v14
6v11

That should have given us:
(1) Serral vs (16) Harstem
(8) Reynor vs (9) SpeCial
(4) Heromarine vs (13) Scarlett
(5) uThermal vs (12) Kelazhur

(2) Neeb vs (15) DnS
(7) Clem vs (10) Showtime
(3) Nerchio vs (14) Bly
(6) Has vs (11) Snute

We got:
(1) Serral vs (13) Scarlett
(8) Reynor vs (9) SpeCial
(4) Heromarine vs (15) DnS
(5) uThermal vs (11) Snute

(2) Neeb vs (14) Bly
(7) Clem vs (10) Showtime
(3) Nerchio vs (16) Harstem
(6) Has vs (12) Kelazhur
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8305 Posts
July 12 2018 21:56 GMT
#467
With this bracket, might be time to disembarks the Reynor hype train and climb aboard the Clem train instead.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 22:01:19
July 12 2018 21:58 GMT
#468
Good to know that WCS events aren't immune from stupidly lopsided brackets either.
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Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
July 12 2018 22:01 GMT
#469
On July 13 2018 06:54 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 06:51 Penev wrote:
How are these determined anyway? Does the WCS standings have anything to do with it? If so you'd expect #1 (Serral) and #4 (Showtime) on one side of the bracket and #2 (Special) and #3 (Neeb) on the other. Neeb and Showtime were even in the same round 3 group.

As far as I understood it:
...

it's a weird way to cook the books. What can explain the setup?
Caster duos should compliment each others' strengths. "You look very handsome today, Tasteless."
BakedButters
Profile Joined November 2011
United States748 Posts
July 12 2018 22:03 GMT
#470
Wow the top of the bracket is ridiculous.
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HsDLTitich
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Italy830 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 22:06:57
July 12 2018 22:04 GMT
#471
I think they just seeded the winners from the third groupstage from 1 to 8 according to WCS points, and then 9 to 16 were drawn randomly between the second placed players in the third groupstage
I used to organize tournaments for ESL Italy and referee Go4SC2s, WCSs, and IEMs for ESL SC2.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28494 Posts
July 12 2018 22:06 GMT
#472
On July 13 2018 06:54 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 06:51 Penev wrote:
How are these determined anyway? Does the WCS standings have anything to do with it? If so you'd expect #1 (Serral) and #4 (Showtime) on one side of the bracket and #2 (Special) and #3 (Neeb) on the other. Neeb and Showtime were even in the same round 3 group.

As far as I understood it:
Players who finished 1st in their round 3 group are seeded 1-8 based on WCS Circuit points.
Players who finished 2nd in their round 3 group are seeded 9-16 based on WCS Circuit points.

They are then matched up:
1v16
8v9
4v13
5v12

2v15
7v10
3v14
6v11

That should have given us:
(1) Serral vs (16) Harstem
(8) Reynor vs (9) SpeCial
(4) Heromarine vs (13) Scarlett
(5) uThermal vs (12) Kelazhur

(2) Neeb vs (15) DnS
(7) Clem vs (10) Showtime
(3) Nerchio vs (14) Bly
(6) Has vs (11) Snute

We got:
(1) Serral vs (13) Scarlett
(8) Reynor vs (9) SpeCial
(4) Heromarine vs (15) DnS
(5) uThermal vs (11) Snute

(2) Neeb vs (14) Bly
(7) Clem vs (10) Showtime
(3) Nerchio vs (16) Harstem
(6) Has vs (12) Kelazhur

Hmm, and they didn't need to correct anything to not have group stage #3 match ups in RO16 so I wonder what's going on here.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28494 Posts
July 12 2018 22:13 GMT
#473
On July 13 2018 07:04 HsDLTitich wrote:
I think they just seeded the winners from the third groupstage from 1 to 8 according to WCS points, and then 9 to 16 were drawn randomly between the second placed players in the third groupstage

That explains it. Random.. bah..
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 12 2018 22:14 GMT
#474
wow elazer out is a huge upset
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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 22:16:00
July 12 2018 22:14 GMT
#475
On July 13 2018 07:04 HsDLTitich wrote:
I think they just seeded the winners from the third groupstage from 1 to 8 according to WCS points, and then 9 to 16 were drawn randomly between the second placed players in the third groupstage

I suppose that is possible, but why on earth would you do that? It makes sense to either fully seed or go full random (possibly with no non-finals group stage rematches), not half seed and half random. I suppose you could also let the seeded players select their first round opponent.

It also doesn't make sense to use a format different than what it is used to determine playoff seeding for the WCS Global Finals.
HsDLTitich
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Italy830 Posts
July 12 2018 22:16 GMT
#476
On July 13 2018 07:14 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 07:04 HsDLTitich wrote:
I think they just seeded the winners from the third groupstage from 1 to 8 according to WCS points, and then 9 to 16 were drawn randomly between the second placed players in the third groupstage

I suppose that is possible, but why on earth would you do that? It makes sense to either fully seed or go full random (possibly with no non-finals group stage rematches), not half seed and half random. I suppose you could also let the seeded players select their first round opponent.


Maybe to avoid 1st and 2nd place finishers from the same group facing each other in the RO16 (tho that wouldn't have happened this time, but you never know I guess?)
I used to organize tournaments for ESL Italy and referee Go4SC2s, WCSs, and IEMs for ESL SC2.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 22:28:52
July 12 2018 22:28 GMT
#477
Weird bracket though. I'd like someone from Blizz/WCS to give some insight on how the brackets are drawn, or they should just do it live on stream....

Either way, my predictions:
+ Show Spoiler +
(Z)Serral 3-1 (Z)Scarlett
(Z)Reynor 3-2 (T)MajOr
(T)HeRoMaRinE 3-1 (P)DnS
(T)uThermal 2-3 (Z)Snute
(P)Neeb 3-1 (Z)Bly
(T)Clem 1-3 (P)ShoWTimE
(Z)Nerchio 1-3 (P)Harstem
(P)Has 1-3 (T)Kelazhur

(Z)Serral 3-2 (Z)Reynor
(T)HeRoMaRinE 1-3 (Z)Snute
(P)Neeb 3-2 (P)ShoWTimE
(P)Harstem 3-0 (T)Kelazhur

(Z)Serral 3-0 (Z)Snute
(P)Neeb 3-1 (P)Harstem

(Z)Serral 4-2 (P)Neeb (couldn't ask for a better final)
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 13 2018 00:44 GMT
#478
Looks like a good day for the Hasian republic. First in his group with Elazer and Special?
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 13 2018 01:54 GMT
#479
Since when do we get racially balanced ro16s in WCS?
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
July 13 2018 02:31 GMT
#480
On July 13 2018 10:54 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Since when do we get racially balanced ro16s in WCS?

Its the ultimate proof that zerg needs a buff
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