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Funny ling movement from Dark. He opened 17 pool, kinda scouted the upper area, but not really, seemed to be squatting the reaper hop-up spot near the third, but then just sent them into the corner.
On May 12 2018 13:20 pvsnp wrote: That's the kind of game that sends you spiraling down into despair. Every possible advantage went Ryung's way and he still couldn't close it out.
Dark's execution is so far above Ryung's that he can fall completely into the trap and just brute-force muscle his way through despite that.
On May 12 2018 13:34 Boggyb wrote: For some reason, the people who will complain about this game won't blame Dark for playing so passively.
That's the point of banshees. If Dark didn't kill them all, he had to keep all hydras at home. By the time banshees were not a threat, Ryung already got to a point where he can defend comfortably and Dark had to tech up.
this reminds me of...either a WCS qualifier or some online tournament where Wardii casted a match on this map that went on for hours because they refused to attack each other
On May 12 2018 13:40 chipmonklord17 wrote: this reminds me of...either a WCS qualifier or some online tournament where Wardii casted a match on this map that went on for hours because they refused to attack each other
On May 12 2018 13:40 chipmonklord17 wrote: this reminds me of...either a WCS qualifier or some online tournament where Wardii casted a match on this map that went on for hours because they refused to attack each other
Clem Guru
Tbf I mostly blame that series in particular on Clem and Guru and not Backwater since they managed to do exactly the same thing on Abiogenesis.
On May 12 2018 13:50 Boggyb wrote: Ryung is super dead and Dark still refuses to push. Zerg players are absolutely disgusting.
Well he pushed and lost everything. I'd rather blame Ryung for not just building ghosts and killing Dark.
That push might be the worst fight I've ever seen from Dark. I think it is in contention with that Scarlett fight around the corner for the worst fight of the round of 32.
Between this game and the Super Tournament finals, Dark is making some mad impressions on me. He's so bad, that even though I'm absolutely indifferent about Ryung, I just want Dark to lose now. This performance needs an adjective beyond atrocious.
On May 12 2018 13:56 Snakestyle1 wrote: That was almost fair
I mean yeah, balance arguments about a game can only get so far when there's the easy counter-argument that if either player had played moderately intelligently they would have won easily.
On May 12 2018 13:57 Volband wrote: Between this game and the Super Tournament finals, Dark is making some mad impressions on me. He's so bad, that even though I'm absolutely indifferent about Ryung, I just want Dark to lose now. This performance needs an adjective beyond atrocious.
On May 12 2018 13:58 yangluphil wrote: Don't be fooled by casters saying Dark was wealthy. Dark was not rich in gas at all. Minerals don't too much when terran's in this position.
On May 12 2018 14:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Scarlett not going to the Ro16 is the only upset this GSL? Welp. Tasteless and Artosis have forgotten about herO's existence.
On May 12 2018 13:58 yangluphil wrote: Don't be fooled by casters saying Dark was wealthy. Dark was not rich in gas at all. Minerals don't too much when terran's in this position.
Dark was at like 15k/10k at one point.
Multiple remaxes with those resources couldn't do anything. Skill is definitely the defining attribute in this matchup.
On May 12 2018 13:57 Volband wrote: Between this game and the Super Tournament finals, Dark is making some mad impressions on me. He's so bad, that even though I'm absolutely indifferent about Ryung, I just want Dark to lose now. This performance needs an adjective beyond atrocious.
don't be indifferent about Ryung
All right. I hate him too then!!
Nah, I just don't want enough SC2 nowadays to have favorites, other than still hopelessly rooting for the "foreign hope"? whoever that is at the time.
Dark using a Ravager/Ling allin is super normal, he really loves that build and has for years. Not sure why Tastosis is acting all surprised. Even the ling drop in the main isn't new, though it is newer.
On May 12 2018 13:58 yangluphil wrote: Don't be fooled by casters saying Dark was wealthy. Dark was not rich in gas at all. Minerals don't too much when terran's in this position.
Dark was at like 15k/10k at one point.
That was when Ryung was at 8k/8k also. And one remax later Dark's gas was done to 2.8k. Ryung's to 3k. Chat was like Dark could just swarm through and finish the game. Tbh he probably could in a small window. But in Dark's mind he could not afford to lose the army too inefficiently once more.
On May 12 2018 14:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Scarlett not going to the Ro16 is the only upset this GSL? Welp. Tasteless and Artosis have forgotten about herO's existence.
That also wasn't an upset.
Yeah, due to the level of play in that group, the most upsetting thing about it is that a person other than GuMiho had to make it out.
On May 12 2018 14:04 pvsnp wrote: Dark using a Ravager/Ling allin is super standard, he really loves that build and has for years. Not sure why Tastosis is acting all surprised
Because "oh Dark allins again like he always did" is not as hype as "OMG look at what Dark is doing Artosis"?
On May 12 2018 14:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Scarlett not going to the Ro16 is the only upset this GSL? Welp. Tasteless and Artosis have forgotten about herO's existence.
That also wasn't an upset.
Yeah, due to the level of play in that group, the most upsetting thing about it is that a person other than GuMiho had to make it out.
werent they talking about Code S... herO didnt make it so he wasnt an upset in that context
On May 12 2018 14:04 pvsnp wrote: Dark using a Ravager/Ling allin is super normal, he really loves that build and has for years. Not sure why Tastosis is acting all surprised
That exact same push was very common for Dark when you only needed the evo chamber to make droperlords as Artosis pointed out, but honestly I haven't seen this push being used that much since the lair was added as a requirement to make droperlords so it's ok to be surprised IMO, I mean the push probably hits with less roaches as you do need to invest the 100 additional gas in the lair instead of just building an evo chamber, but it looks like it's still an ok push, it did help that ryung was going for 3cc though.
On May 12 2018 14:04 pvsnp wrote: Dark using a Ravager/Ling allin is super normal, he really loves that build and has for years. Not sure why Tastosis is acting all surprised
That exact same push was very common for Dark when you only needed the evo chamber to make droperlords as Artosis pointed out, but honestly I haven't seen this push being used that much since the lair was added as a requirement to make droperlords so it's ok to be surprised IMO, I mean the push probably hits with less roaches as you do need to invest the 100 additional gas in the lair instead of just building an evo chamber, but it looks like it's still an ok push, it did help that ryung was going for 3cc though.
Dark was using that build without any dropperlords at all a full year ago, if not earlier. He's always loved his Ravager/Ling allins.
PvT being what it is, I guess it's not outside the realm of possibility that Billowy gets the upset. Still, I have a hard time seeing him taking more than 1 game.
On May 12 2018 14:04 pvsnp wrote: Dark using a Ravager/Ling allin is super normal, he really loves that build and has for years. Not sure why Tastosis is acting all surprised
That exact same push was very common for Dark when you only needed the evo chamber to make droperlords as Artosis pointed out, but honestly I haven't seen this push being used that much since the lair was added as a requirement to make droperlords so it's ok to be surprised IMO, I mean the push probably hits with less roaches as you do need to invest the 100 additional gas in the lair instead of just building an evo chamber, but it looks like it's still an ok push, it did help that ryung was going for 3cc though.
Dark was using that build without any dropperlords at all a full year ago, if not earlier.
I don't remember Dark using it without dropperlords, the one that had my attention was the dropperlord version of it, it even had an article of the build here https://sc2swarm.com/zerg-vs-terran/darks-ravager-ling-queen-timing-zvt/ , there you can watch two vods, one that he played against TY and another one against Bunny, in this version he does go for the dropperlord and he plays it kind of the same way as the last series with 2 drops, one with queens and another with lings in the main. The other version that you're mentioning is probably outdated as I don't remember it, but could be, personally I think the dropperlord version is far superior.
Dokyung is one year younger than sOs, not exactly an up and coming player. Also young Stats was already a force in KT back in BW. How could you relate them simply because Dokyung played defensively?
On May 12 2018 14:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Does Dark veto Backwater now?
Which map did he veto the first time around? I would imagine it was Neon.
Neon and Eastwatch.
Oh yeah, two vetoes.
Can't imagine Dark is any more enthusiastic about ZvT on Neon/Eastwatch than he is on Backwater.
Though it does come down to taste, I do think Neon is generally a bit better for Zerg than Backwater--and there's so much more stuff you can try on Neon whereas Backwater is insanely formulaic.
Well he can hardly play them worse than he played Backwater.
On May 12 2018 14:53 pvsnp wrote: I think that's the first time I've ever seen a progamer actually lose units to the rocks
It's a bit uncommon that they died there--usually it takes fungal or force fields to get the units to die, but occasionally units gets pushed straight into the wall and don't move out of the way.
edit: Bio on Backwater? Does INno really dislike mech nowadays?
On May 12 2018 14:53 pvsnp wrote: I think that's the first time I've ever seen a progamer actually lose units to the rocks
It's a bit uncommon that they died there--usually it takes fungal or force fields to get the units to die, but occasionally units gets pushed straight into the wall and don't move out of the way.
edit: Bio on Backwater? Does INno really dislike mech nowadays?
Maybe he's comfortable hitting mid game with bio then going into a ghost/tank/raven switch?
I'm thinking we'll see a second armory soon if that's gonna happen though
Excellently played by Dark. Innovation's ghost play is unimpressive though. He's being too conservative with nukes. Also the burrowed ling helped Dark sniped 2 CC's and prevented a third CC from landing for at least 3 minutes.
Better player won, Inno is still far from in a good shape. I also got some doubt he'll get back to it, he has said recently that his hand hurts and hinders his play.
On May 12 2018 16:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I don't even feel bad for Billowy since he chose the name DoKyung. At least Ragnarok changed his mind due to the popular outcry.
On May 12 2018 16:10 Elentos wrote: Backwater is seeing too much play for my liking.
It's pretty odd. Backwater got played once in the first five groups, and then got played several times in each of the last three. It doesn't even seem to be race related, so probably just a coincidence.
On May 12 2018 16:21 Bagration wrote: 2018 and Ryung is still terrible against Protoss
I feel with him
His TvP is terrible independent of balance. Even GomTvT and the Hellbat Era couldn't fix it.
Another gm expert speaking from forum. So much posts, so much words and nothing in a real life.
You disagree that Ryung's TvP has been consistently terrible? It doesn't take a GM, only a very elementary grasp of statistics.
edit: It's pretty shocking that Billowy's ahead. He was completely lost by the 5 minute mark in both games of the previous series. Switching up to a stargate build was a good decision.
On May 12 2018 17:00 Isualin wrote: that "someone who can shutdown anything anyone throws at him" is one map away to elimination right now tasteless :D
He was also the one throwing stuff at Billowy and not the other way around
On May 12 2018 17:04 sudete wrote: surprise cyclones have featured in inno's last few tournament wins, can't believe billowy didn't even get the safety battery
As Protoss, once you scout a reactored factory, it's pretty much standard to get a safety battery. I don't know what Billowy was thinking there.
On May 12 2018 17:04 sudete wrote: surprise cyclones have featured in inno's last few tournament wins, can't believe billowy didn't even get the safety battery
As Protoss, once you scout a reactored factory, it's pretty much standard to get a safety battery. I don't know what Billowy was thinking there.
What is a man thinking when he goes phoenix first and uses them only to scout the main base?
On May 12 2018 17:04 sudete wrote: surprise cyclones have featured in inno's last few tournament wins, can't believe billowy didn't even get the safety battery
As Protoss, once you scout a reactored factory, it's pretty much standard to get a safety battery. I don't know what Billowy was thinking there.
What is a man thinking when he goes phoenix first and uses them only to scout the main base?
Wishing it was 2014 and he could all-kill KT again.
On May 12 2018 17:04 Phredxor wrote: Inno scraping by against Billowy in 2018. Truly a bonjwa.
After the patch, he's gonna wreck all the Protoss in the Ro16 and everyone will scream patchterran.
Ok
They won't necessarily be wrong either. Maru too, but less patchterran in that respect.
Marauder+Viking buffs shifts us back to a more HotS-style and the two best Terrans in HotS were....
Maru's going to lose a TvT in the Ro8, and will curse the patch for making have to worry about terrans in the later rounds of a tournament again.
Maru's no slouch in Marine/Tank wars, and with the old Marauder back in business I can't see mech sticking around. He could certainly lose against one of the other top Terrans but I would probably still call him a favorite.
Of course everyone's TvT form is kinda a mystery right now so who knows.
On May 12 2018 17:04 Phredxor wrote: Inno scraping by against Billowy in 2018. Truly a bonjwa.
After the patch, he's gonna wreck all the Protoss in the Ro16 and everyone will scream patchterran.
Ok
They won't necessarily be wrong either. Maru too, but less patchterran in that respect.
Marauder+Viking buffs shifts us back to a more HotS-style and the two best Terrans in HotS were....
Maru's going to lose a TvT in the Ro8, and will curse the patch for making have to worry about terrans in the later rounds of a tournament again.
Maru's no slouch in Marine/Tank wars, and with the old Marauder back in business I can't see mech sticking around. He could certainly lose against one of the other top Terrans but I would probably still call him a favorite.
Of course everyone's TvT form is kinda a mystery right now so who knows.
He'd certainly still be a favourite, but iirc every single GSL last year he was eliminated due to getting sniped in TvT.
On May 12 2018 17:04 Phredxor wrote: Inno scraping by against Billowy in 2018. Truly a bonjwa.
After the patch, he's gonna wreck all the Protoss in the Ro16 and everyone will scream patchterran.
Ok
They won't necessarily be wrong either. Maru too, but less patchterran in that respect.
Marauder+Viking buffs shifts us back to a more HotS-style and the two best Terrans in HotS were....
Maru's going to lose a TvT in the Ro8, and will curse the patch for making have to worry about terrans in the later rounds of a tournament again.
Maru's no slouch in Marine/Tank wars, and with the old Marauder back in business I can't see mech sticking around. He could certainly lose against one of the other top Terrans but I would probably still call him a favorite.
Of course everyone's TvT form is kinda a mystery right now so who knows.
He'd certainly still be a favourite, but iirc every single GSL last year he was eliminated due to getting sniped in TvT.
Technically it was Solar who knocked him out in season 3 but losing to jjakji certainly didn't help.
On May 12 2018 17:04 Phredxor wrote: Inno scraping by against Billowy in 2018. Truly a bonjwa.
After the patch, he's gonna wreck all the Protoss in the Ro16 and everyone will scream patchterran.
Ok
They won't necessarily be wrong either. Maru too, but less patchterran in that respect.
Marauder+Viking buffs shifts us back to a more HotS-style and the two best Terrans in HotS were....
Maru's going to lose a TvT in the Ro8, and will curse the patch for making have to worry about terrans in the later rounds of a tournament again.
Maru's no slouch in Marine/Tank wars, and with the old Marauder back in business I can't see mech sticking around. He could certainly lose against one of the other top Terrans but I would probably still call him a favorite.
Of course everyone's TvT form is kinda a mystery right now so who knows.
Some more than others. Maru hasn't played a truly high level Terran since Katowice. At least for GuMiho, Inno etc. you get some idea in online cups on a weekly basis.
Also the marauder buff doesn't mean tanks won't still blow them up good, and the raven nerf hits one of the anti-mech options bio players have.
So what's the excuse for Dark beating "unbeatable" Ghost Raven on Blackpink? Let me guess - Zerg had an "inherent advantage" again? Or does the game not count because Inno didn't play perfectly like every Zerg always does?
On May 12 2018 18:16 Charoisaur wrote: So what's the excuse for Dark beating "unbeatable" Ghost Raven on Blackpink? Let me guess - Zerg had an "inherent advantage" again? Or does the game not count because Inno didn't play perfectly like every Zerg always does?
Inno played nearly perfectly until it went for lategame imo. He controlled his dorps so well and just lost like 3 marines in the first 8 minutes. Then he had a very good drop into the mainbase. I think that is what you wanted to hear, and what is true :D.
But i think he should have build more vikings vs the broodlords to lure the other units in. But on the other hand, just fungle is the hard counter to ghosts as one could see in the games. But to be honest i think as artosis said, Ino didnt micro that well
On May 12 2018 18:28 Mun_Su wrote: Billowy nearly won
No. He (barely) won the one game where his own incompetence didn't cause him to outright die in the early game and then he just got stomped again. He was nowhere near winning more than 1 game against Inno.
On May 12 2018 18:16 Charoisaur wrote: So what's the excuse for Dark beating "unbeatable" Ghost Raven on Blackpink? Let me guess - Zerg had an "inherent advantage" again? Or does the game not count because Inno didn't play perfectly like every Zerg always does?
Well compared to maru his control just sucks there honestly, but that's also a factor, not everyone can control it just right. Dark said in the interview "when terran controls their abilities perfectly zerg cannot win". I wanna see another dark vs maru honestly, i think dark has a better idea now how to approach the lategame stage.
On May 12 2018 18:16 Charoisaur wrote: So what's the excuse for Dark beating "unbeatable" Ghost Raven on Blackpink? Let me guess - Zerg had an "inherent advantage" again? Or does the game not count because Inno didn't play perfectly like every Zerg always does?
Well compared to maru his control just sucks there honestly, but that's also a factor, not everyone can control it just right. Dark said in the interview "when terran controls their abilities perfectly zerg cannot win". I wanna see another dark vs maru honestly, i think dark has a better idea now how to approach the lategame stage.
nah, he'll probably ravager all-in or die trying...
Was hoping for either Ryung or Billowy to advance but the group went exactly as expected, no real suprises.
Dark looked really sloppy against Ryung but managed to recover against Inno which is nice. I'm not sure who could take him out this season other than Stats or Maru
On May 12 2018 22:29 Fango wrote: Was hoping for either Ryung or Billowy to advance but the group went exactly as expected, no real suprises.
Dark looked really sloppy against Ryung but managed to recover against Inno which is nice. I'm not sure who could take him out this season other than Stats or Maru
On May 12 2018 22:29 Fango wrote: Was hoping for either Ryung or Billowy to advance but the group went exactly as expected, no real suprises.
Dark looked really sloppy against Ryung but managed to recover against Inno which is nice. I'm not sure who could take him out this season other than Stats or Maru
In the finals I can see him losing to anyone.
Only soO is a more certain runner up. Does that mean Dark is actually more kongish?
On May 12 2018 22:29 Fango wrote: Was hoping for either Ryung or Billowy to advance but the group went exactly as expected, no real suprises.
Dark looked really sloppy against Ryung but managed to recover against Inno which is nice. I'm not sure who could take him out this season other than Stats or Maru
In the finals I can see him losing to anyone.
Only soO is a more certain runner up. Does that mean Dark is actually more kongish?
:thinking:
When they faced in the finals at Kespa Cup Dark got 2nd and won the kong battle.
On May 12 2018 22:29 Fango wrote: Was hoping for either Ryung or Billowy to advance but the group went exactly as expected, no real suprises.
Dark looked really sloppy against Ryung but managed to recover against Inno which is nice. I'm not sure who could take him out this season other than Stats or Maru
In the finals I can see him losing to anyone.
My memory is hazy but does Dark actually play bad in finals? A lot of the time he's only a little bit behind his opponent and loses a close series.
Dark vs soO could go either way I suppose but GSL finals refuse to be mirrors.
On May 12 2018 18:16 Charoisaur wrote: So what's the excuse for Dark beating "unbeatable" Ghost Raven on Blackpink? Let me guess - Zerg had an "inherent advantage" again? Or does the game not count because Inno didn't play perfectly like every Zerg always does?
Inno played nearly perfectly until it went for lategame imo. He controlled his dorps so well and just lost like 3 marines in the first 8 minutes. Then he had a very good drop into the mainbase. I think that is what you wanted to hear, and what is true :D.
But i think he should have build more vikings vs the broodlords to lure the other units in. But on the other hand, just fungle is the hard counter to ghosts as one could see in the games. But to be honest i think as artosis said, Ino didnt micro that well
Not losing anything as Terran doesn't mean much if you haven't done anything more significant than pushing back creep for the first ten minutes of the game, and did no damage.
On May 12 2018 22:29 Fango wrote: Was hoping for either Ryung or Billowy to advance but the group went exactly as expected, no real suprises.
Dark looked really sloppy against Ryung but managed to recover against Inno which is nice. I'm not sure who could take him out this season other than Stats or Maru
In the finals I can see him losing to anyone.
Only soO is a more certain runner up. Does that mean Dark is actually more kongish?
:thinking:
When they faced in the finals at Kespa Cup Dark got 2nd and won the kong battle.
On May 12 2018 22:29 Fango wrote: Was hoping for either Ryung or Billowy to advance but the group went exactly as expected, no real suprises.
Dark looked really sloppy against Ryung but managed to recover against Inno which is nice. I'm not sure who could take him out this season other than Stats or Maru
In the finals I can see him losing to anyone.
My memory is hazy but does Dark actually play bad in finals? A lot of the time he's only a little bit behind his opponent and loses a close series.
Dark vs soO could go either way I suppose but GSL finals refuse to be mirrors.
He should have 100% won the GSL ST final but threw game 6 hardcore. He also shouldn't have lost twice in a row to Maru's 2 rax.
On May 12 2018 22:29 Fango wrote: Was hoping for either Ryung or Billowy to advance but the group went exactly as expected, no real suprises.
Dark looked really sloppy against Ryung but managed to recover against Inno which is nice. I'm not sure who could take him out this season other than Stats or Maru
In the finals I can see him losing to anyone.
My memory is hazy but does Dark actually play bad in finals? A lot of the time he's only a little bit behind his opponent and loses a close series.
Dark vs soO could go either way I suppose but GSL finals refuse to be mirrors.
Dark said in the interviews shown before the games today that he always plays in finals when the oponent's race just got a beneficial patch. Obviously these are not super serious, but maybe that's what helps them being more honest
On May 12 2018 22:29 Fango wrote: Was hoping for either Ryung or Billowy to advance but the group went exactly as expected, no real suprises.
Dark looked really sloppy against Ryung but managed to recover against Inno which is nice. I'm not sure who could take him out this season other than Stats or Maru
In the finals I can see him losing to anyone.
My memory is hazy but does Dark actually play bad in finals? A lot of the time he's only a little bit behind his opponent and loses a close series.
Dark vs soO could go either way I suppose but GSL finals refuse to be mirrors.
Dark said in the interviews shown before the games today that he always plays in finals when the oponent's race just got a beneficial patch. Obviously these are not super serious, but maybe that's what helps them being more honest
He's right, soO and Solar only won because zerg imba
On May 12 2018 22:29 Fango wrote: Was hoping for either Ryung or Billowy to advance but the group went exactly as expected, no real suprises.
Dark looked really sloppy against Ryung but managed to recover against Inno which is nice. I'm not sure who could take him out this season other than Stats or Maru
In the finals I can see him losing to anyone.
My memory is hazy but does Dark actually play bad in finals? A lot of the time he's only a little bit behind his opponent and loses a close series.
Dark vs soO could go either way I suppose but GSL finals refuse to be mirrors.
Dark said in the interviews shown before the games today that he always plays in finals when the oponent's race just got a beneficial patch. Obviously these are not super serious, but maybe that's what helps them being more honest
He's right, soO and Solar only won because zerg imba
On May 12 2018 22:29 Fango wrote: Was hoping for either Ryung or Billowy to advance but the group went exactly as expected, no real suprises.
Dark looked really sloppy against Ryung but managed to recover against Inno which is nice. I'm not sure who could take him out this season other than Stats or Maru
In the finals I can see him losing to anyone.
My memory is hazy but does Dark actually play bad in finals? A lot of the time he's only a little bit behind his opponent and loses a close series.
Dark vs soO could go either way I suppose but GSL finals refuse to be mirrors.
Dark said in the interviews shown before the games today that he always plays in finals when the oponent's race just got a beneficial patch. Obviously these are not super serious, but maybe that's what helps them being more honest
Maybe that keeps happening because Zerg is consistently overpowered.
EPT
2018 Global StarCraft II League Season 2/Code S
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Billowy vs 
don't be indifferent about Ryung
