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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-08 18:40:27
April 08 2018 18:39 GMT
#81
Feels like Inno was planning on styling super hard with Raven/Ghost, then Reynor made that BL push halfway through the transition and scared Inno so he was just like "fuck it I'm killing him now" and pushed with mech like he usually does
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 08 2018 18:39 GMT
#82
Despite the all kill, Innovation didn't look that good. His multi-tasking seemed suspect (didn't handle the hydra harass well), and made some questionable strategic decisions (late game bio switch despite having no bio upgrades?)
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
April 08 2018 18:40 GMT
#83
Yeah good try by Reynor, but TBH Maru would have manhandled him, some big control mistakes here and there by the italian
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-08 18:41:22
April 08 2018 18:40 GMT
#84
On April 09 2018 03:36 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 03:31 sneakyfox wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:29 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Inno going full Maru with the Bio switch + Raven ghost


This is TY's tvz lategame. With the high SCV-count and everything.



TYs TvZ sucks, and Inno almost lost this so yeah, maybe.
Inno wanted to do a Maru switch but he just cant play that as well

The ghost switch from mech got popularized by TY even if Maru (and Inno too) is a better TvZ player overall.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
April 08 2018 18:40 GMT
#85
On April 09 2018 03:39 Bagration wrote:
Despite the all kill, Innovation didn't look that good. His multi-tasking seemed suspect (didn't handle the hydra harass well), and made some questionable strategic decisions (late game bio switch despite having no bio upgrades?)



It will be different offline, in Paris.
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
April 08 2018 18:41 GMT
#86
On April 09 2018 03:39 Bagration wrote:
Despite the all kill, Innovation didn't look that good. His multi-tasking seemed suspect (didn't handle the hydra harass well), and made some questionable strategic decisions (late game bio switch despite having no bio upgrades?)

Despite the hydra harass, INnoVation had a worker lead for basically the entire game as he was continually roasting drones. (He killed at least 80 over that game)
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
April 08 2018 18:41 GMT
#87
On April 09 2018 03:40 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Yeah good try by Reynor, but TBH Maru would have manhandled him, some big control mistakes here and there by the italian

Maru is not on team Korea though
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
April 08 2018 18:42 GMT
#88
On April 09 2018 03:40 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 03:36 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:31 sneakyfox wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:29 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Inno going full Maru with the Bio switch + Raven ghost


This is TY's tvz lategame. With the high SCV-count and everything.



TYs TvZ sucks, and Inno almost lost this so yeah, maybe.
Inno wanted to do a Maru switch but he just cant play that as well

The ghost switch from mech got popularized by TY even if Maru (and Inno too) is a better TvZ player overall.


Precisely. And even the high SCV count is now becoming lategame tvz meta
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15979 Posts
April 08 2018 18:42 GMT
#89
On April 09 2018 03:40 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 03:36 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:31 sneakyfox wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:29 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Inno going full Maru with the Bio switch + Raven ghost


This is TY's tvz lategame. With the high SCV-count and everything.



TYs TvZ sucks, and Inno almost lost this so yeah, maybe.
Inno wanted to do a Maru switch but he just cant play that as well

The ghost switch from mech got popularized by TY even if Maru (and Inno too) is a better TvZ player overall.

but the Bio transition (Marines, Stim, Combatshield) got popularized by Maru.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
April 08 2018 18:42 GMT
#90
On April 09 2018 03:41 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 03:40 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Yeah good try by Reynor, but TBH Maru would have manhandled him, some big control mistakes here and there by the italian

Maru is not on team Korea though



Also is Maru that good offline ? i don't see him a lot in offline tournaments, it counts.
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
April 08 2018 18:43 GMT
#91
On April 09 2018 03:38 Heartland wrote:
How on earth didn't Reynor win a fight with a total surround and lings on top of the tanks?

The +0 attack no adrenal mass ling tech switch is not recommended
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
April 08 2018 18:43 GMT
#92
On April 09 2018 03:42 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 03:40 Elentos wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:36 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:31 sneakyfox wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:29 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Inno going full Maru with the Bio switch + Raven ghost


This is TY's tvz lategame. With the high SCV-count and everything.



TYs TvZ sucks, and Inno almost lost this so yeah, maybe.
Inno wanted to do a Maru switch but he just cant play that as well

The ghost switch from mech got popularized by TY even if Maru (and Inno too) is a better TvZ player overall.

but the Bio transition (Marines, Stim, Combatshield) got popularized by Maru.


Hasn't he only done it that once against soO on neon violet? It didn't really come in to play did it?
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
April 08 2018 18:43 GMT
#93
On April 09 2018 03:42 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 03:40 Elentos wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:36 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:31 sneakyfox wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:29 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Inno going full Maru with the Bio switch + Raven ghost


This is TY's tvz lategame. With the high SCV-count and everything.



TYs TvZ sucks, and Inno almost lost this so yeah, maybe.
Inno wanted to do a Maru switch but he just cant play that as well

The ghost switch from mech got popularized by TY even if Maru (and Inno too) is a better TvZ player overall.

but the Bio transition (Marines, Stim, Combatshield) got popularized by Maru.



meta always changing
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 08 2018 18:43 GMT
#94
On April 09 2018 03:42 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 03:40 Elentos wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:36 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:31 sneakyfox wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:29 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Inno going full Maru with the Bio switch + Raven ghost


This is TY's tvz lategame. With the high SCV-count and everything.



TYs TvZ sucks, and Inno almost lost this so yeah, maybe.
Inno wanted to do a Maru switch but he just cant play that as well

The ghost switch from mech got popularized by TY even if Maru (and Inno too) is a better TvZ player overall.


Precisely. And even the high SCV count is now becoming lategame tvz meta

Really? It still looks more like a mistake than something that's intentional.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-08 18:45:32
April 08 2018 18:43 GMT
#95
Reynor attacked when Inno was on 1/1 for bio, before stim and combat shields, when he had 4 Ravens and 11 Ghosts without lots of energy. Bio switches don't happen instantly, nor do Ravens build instantly

Pretty sure Inno went back to Tanks after that because he decided it wasn't worth it to style on Reynor and he should probably just do a regular mech push to win
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 08 2018 18:44 GMT
#96
On April 09 2018 03:40 Mun_Su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 03:39 Bagration wrote:
Despite the all kill, Innovation didn't look that good. His multi-tasking seemed suspect (didn't handle the hydra harass well), and made some questionable strategic decisions (late game bio switch despite having no bio upgrades?)



It will be different offline, in Paris.


Yea, I hope so. Anyhow, win and advance to play another round
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15979 Posts
April 08 2018 18:44 GMT
#97
On April 09 2018 03:43 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 03:42 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:40 Elentos wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:36 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:31 sneakyfox wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:29 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Inno going full Maru with the Bio switch + Raven ghost


This is TY's tvz lategame. With the high SCV-count and everything.



TYs TvZ sucks, and Inno almost lost this so yeah, maybe.
Inno wanted to do a Maru switch but he just cant play that as well

The ghost switch from mech got popularized by TY even if Maru (and Inno too) is a better TvZ player overall.

but the Bio transition (Marines, Stim, Combatshield) got popularized by Maru.


Hasn't he only done it that once against soO on neon violet? It didn't really come in to play did it?

He also did it against Serral and Dark.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-08 18:45:33
April 08 2018 18:45 GMT
#98
On April 09 2018 03:43 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 03:42 sneakyfox wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:40 Elentos wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:36 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:31 sneakyfox wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:29 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Inno going full Maru with the Bio switch + Raven ghost


This is TY's tvz lategame. With the high SCV-count and everything.



TYs TvZ sucks, and Inno almost lost this so yeah, maybe.
Inno wanted to do a Maru switch but he just cant play that as well

The ghost switch from mech got popularized by TY even if Maru (and Inno too) is a better TvZ player overall.


Precisely. And even the high SCV count is now becoming lategame tvz meta

Really? It still looks more like a mistake than something that's intentional.


Don't think it even could be a mistake when doing it for that long. Maybe having 100 instead of 90 or so, but not more than that.

Inno has done it before. Iirc Maru has done it too?
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
April 08 2018 18:46 GMT
#99
On April 09 2018 03:44 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 03:43 sneakyfox wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:42 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:40 Elentos wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:36 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:31 sneakyfox wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:29 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Inno going full Maru with the Bio switch + Raven ghost


This is TY's tvz lategame. With the high SCV-count and everything.



TYs TvZ sucks, and Inno almost lost this so yeah, maybe.
Inno wanted to do a Maru switch but he just cant play that as well

The ghost switch from mech got popularized by TY even if Maru (and Inno too) is a better TvZ player overall.

but the Bio transition (Marines, Stim, Combatshield) got popularized by Maru.


Hasn't he only done it that once against soO on neon violet? It didn't really come in to play did it?

He also did it against Serral and Dark.


Okay. Well once you have 3-3 ghosts and a massive economy, you might as well...
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-08 18:47:18
April 08 2018 18:46 GMT
#100
On April 09 2018 03:45 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 03:43 Fango wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:42 sneakyfox wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:40 Elentos wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:36 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:31 sneakyfox wrote:
On April 09 2018 03:29 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Inno going full Maru with the Bio switch + Raven ghost


This is TY's tvz lategame. With the high SCV-count and everything.



TYs TvZ sucks, and Inno almost lost this so yeah, maybe.
Inno wanted to do a Maru switch but he just cant play that as well

The ghost switch from mech got popularized by TY even if Maru (and Inno too) is a better TvZ player overall.


Precisely. And even the high SCV count is now becoming lategame tvz meta

Really? It still looks more like a mistake than something that's intentional.


Don't think it even could be a mistake when doing it for that long. Maybe having 100 instead of 90 or so, but not more than that.

Iirc Maru has done it too?

I think they were just too used to constantly making SCVs tbh. That and they expect to be taking more damage than they actually are.

I don't see a reason to have 100 workers unless you're mining from 5 full bases or using them for something else. TY has lost games while having to many workers because his army was too small.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
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