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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On April 09 2018 03:40 Elentos wrote: The ghost switch from mech got popularized by TY even if Maru (and Inno too) is a better TvZ player overall. I never saw TY use it, but I am not exactly watching every game so... The ones I saw TY usually lost way before that or went bio. Anyway TY TvZ is very sub-par so I will always call this Maru style and Maru switch. Its not about a player who started using it but who perfected it and is actually good at it  | ||
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pvsnp
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On April 09 2018 03:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: When you reach the finals without playing a game He played 1 game and lost to Major You mean without winning a game | ||
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HolydaKing
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 09 2018 03:48 MarianoSC2 wrote: I never saw TY use it, but I am not exactly watching every game so... The ones I saw TY usually lost way before that or went bio. Anyway TY TvZ is very sub-par so I will always call this Maru style and Maru switch. Its not about a player who started using it but who perfected it and is actually good at it Ryung started using speed banshees first iirc but everyone credits it to Inno/Maru for that very reason | ||
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Elentos
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On April 09 2018 03:42 Charoisaur wrote: but the Bio transition (Marines, Stim, Combatshield) got popularized by Maru. TY was going for those in the IEM qualifiers against soO but soO committed sudoku before it got there, and he also made attempts at it on stream vs Solar. So the idea existed in v1.0 of the playstyle already, Maru just executes it better (and more because he's all around better TvZ than TY so he gets there more). But hey, on the plus side, against Protoss players that aren't sOs TY is more solid than Maru | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 09 2018 03:50 Fango wrote: Ryung started using speed banshees first iirc but everyone credits it to Inno/Maru for that very reason People credit Bisu for the pvz revolution when he wasn't the one who started it either, but he won with it :O | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On April 09 2018 03:48 MarianoSC2 wrote: I never saw TY use it, but I am not exactly watching every game so... The ones I saw TY usually lost way before that or went bio. Anyway TY TvZ is very sub-par so I will always call this Maru style and Maru switch. Its not about a player who started using it but who perfected it and is actually good at it Go watch TY-Dark GSL Ro16 | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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pvsnp
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On April 09 2018 03:53 Mun_Su wrote: what INno said about his mech? He didn't want to play bio cross-server so he went mech | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
I have no idea why soO is laughing but it cracks me up | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On April 09 2018 03:53 pvsnp wrote: He didn't want to play bio cross-server so he went mech Losing that macro game to Dimaga left scars | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On April 09 2018 03:51 Elentos wrote: TY was going for those in the IEM qualifiers against soO but soO committed sudoku before it got there, and he also made attempts at it on stream vs Solar. So the idea existed in v1.0 of the playstyle already, Maru just executes it better (and more because he's all around better TvZ than TY so he gets there more). But hey, on the plus side, against Protoss players that aren't sOs TY is more solid than Maru Well it's hard to credit one player for inventing a strategy when a lot of that happens in practice. Maru was the first one who had major success with it on a big stage so it's fair to say he "popularized" that style even if he didn't invent it. | ||
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pvsnp
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Inno: "Put the team on my back" | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On April 09 2018 03:46 Fango wrote: I think they were just too used to constantly making SCVs tbh. That and they expect to be taking more damage than they actually are. I don't see a reason to have 100 workers unless you're mining from 5 full bases or using them for something else. TY has lost games while having to many workers because his army was too small. Yeah, TY definitely has had too many in games in the past. But I think its very intentional now. It seems like it is a part of trying to mine out the map before the opponent, perhaps in a move towards less aggression. Tbh I don't think you would see it that much from several players if it was a mistake. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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Elentos
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On April 09 2018 03:54 Charoisaur wrote: Well it's hard to credit one player for inventing a strategy when a lot of that happens in practice. Maru was the first one who had major success with it on a big stage so it's fair to say he "popularized" that style even if he didn't invent it. TY crushed soO with it in IEM qualifiers and brought Dark to the brink in GSL weeks before Maru played the style for the first time in a notable match. If nothing else, with those games he popularized the idea and gave the thought of transitioning into ghosts from mech merit. | ||
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Ej_
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On April 09 2018 03:55 sneakyfox wrote: Yeah, TY definitely has had too many in games in the past. But I think its very intentional now. It seems like it is a part of trying to mine out the map before the opponent, perhaps in a move towards less aggression. Tbh I don't think you would see it that much from several players if it was a mistake. You can make over 80 SCVs with this style, because you don't do timing pushes, so you don't need more army supply. And having more workers is always better if it doesn't affect your fighting ability. | ||
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