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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
March 17 2018 09:32 GMT
#661
Dark never got adaptive talons?
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
March 17 2018 09:33 GMT
#662
This ZvP meta is abusing the weaknesses in Protoss anti-air and detection so hard.
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
March 17 2018 09:33 GMT
#663
Pretty cool game, seems pretty tough to split your army correctly in games like this for protoss.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
March 17 2018 09:33 GMT
#664
On March 17 2018 18:32 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2018 18:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:27 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:24 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:20 Morbidius wrote:
Ill place all the blame on TLMC for voting in more and more "free 4 bases NR20 maps" for this kind of shit. CJ Biome was considered a joke map when it released and it was for a good reason.


The puzzling bit is that Eastwatch was technically a 'standard' map and not a 'macro' map.

The maps just keep getting bigger man. Give it 2 more years and all maps will be no rush 20 because that's how long you need to get across from natural to natural.


Despite the maps in TLMC10 being rather meh, I do think they are rather more moderate in size than the previous two TLMCs. For example Fracture a 'standard' map is basically a rush map.

Kinda true. Although this TLMC has a terrible top 5 so that's what's gonna hit us on ladder in 2 months.


I only hope that Blizzard in its infinite wisdom mostly ignores the public voting. 16-bit being on a ladder is unfortunately kind of a given unfortunately, but if Blizzard doesn't put Dreamcatcher in the pool, and also avoids putting both Catalyst and Blueshift in the same map pool, I think it could be okay.

Catalyst will be gone anyway as they usually don't keep a map in for 3 seasons

They keep popular maps for very long times. Abyssal Reef was on ladder for almost exactly a year. And Catalyst is popular, cause it's perfectly standard.
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Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
March 17 2018 09:34 GMT
#665
On March 17 2018 18:33 yht9657 wrote:
This ZvP meta is abusing the weaknesses in Protoss anti-air and detection so hard.



Can't protoss make 3 or 4 phoenix ?
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
March 17 2018 09:36 GMT
#666
That scout......
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
arkedos
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1426 Posts
March 17 2018 09:36 GMT
#667
Wow next level mindgames coming up.
love esports - hate homophobia
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
March 17 2018 09:36 GMT
#668
Roaches, disappointing. I want to see Leenock's amazing proxy hatch from that 1 Proleague game make a comeback.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-17 09:37:18
March 17 2018 09:36 GMT
#669
On March 17 2018 18:31 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2018 18:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:27 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:24 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:20 Morbidius wrote:
Ill place all the blame on TLMC for voting in more and more "free 4 bases NR20 maps" for this kind of shit. CJ Biome was considered a joke map when it released and it was for a good reason.


The puzzling bit is that Eastwatch was technically a 'standard' map and not a 'macro' map.

The maps just keep getting bigger man. Give it 2 more years and all maps will be no rush 20 because that's how long you need to get across from natural to natural.


Despite the maps in TLMC10 being rather meh, I do think they are rather more moderate in size than the previous two TLMCs. For example Fracture a 'standard' map is basically a rush map.

Kinda true. Although this TLMC has a terrible top 5 so that's what's gonna hit us on ladder in 2 months.


I only hope that Blizzard in its infinite wisdom mostly ignores the public voting. 16-bit being on a ladder is unfortunately kind of a given unfortunately, but if Blizzard doesn't put Dreamcatcher in the pool, and also avoids putting both Catalyst and Blueshift in the same map pool, I think it could be okay.

And that's the first veto. How much further down the deep end will we go?


Here's a somewhat likely scenario that isn't totally awful: Acid Plant, Neon Violet, Blackpink, 16-bit, Blueshift, Lost and Found, Fracture.

Here's a somewhat likely scenario that is rather awful: Backwater, Catalyst, Eastwatch, 16-bit, Dreamcatcher, Backpfeifengesicht (renamed to Korhal Station), Blueshift
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
March 17 2018 09:37 GMT
#670
On March 17 2018 18:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2018 18:31 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:27 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:24 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:20 Morbidius wrote:
Ill place all the blame on TLMC for voting in more and more "free 4 bases NR20 maps" for this kind of shit. CJ Biome was considered a joke map when it released and it was for a good reason.


The puzzling bit is that Eastwatch was technically a 'standard' map and not a 'macro' map.

The maps just keep getting bigger man. Give it 2 more years and all maps will be no rush 20 because that's how long you need to get across from natural to natural.


Despite the maps in TLMC10 being rather meh, I do think they are rather more moderate in size than the previous two TLMCs. For example Fracture a 'standard' map is basically a rush map.

Kinda true. Although this TLMC has a terrible top 5 so that's what's gonna hit us on ladder in 2 months.


I only hope that Blizzard in its infinite wisdom mostly ignores the public voting. 16-bit being on a ladder is unfortunately kind of a given unfortunately, but if Blizzard doesn't put Dreamcatcher in the pool, and also avoids putting both Catalyst and Blueshift in the same map pool, I think it could be okay.

And that's the first veto. How much further down the deep end will we go?


Here's a somewhat likely scenario that isn't awful: Acid Plant, Neon Violet, Blackpink, 16-bit, Blueshift, Lost and Found, Fracture.

Here's a somewhat likely scenario that is rather awful: Backwater, Catalyst, Eastwatch, 16-bit, Dreamcatcher, Backpfeifengesicht (renamed to Korhal Station), Blueshift

Dreamcatcher is a good map though, at least for once it doesn't have free 4+ bases. You actually have to work to get your bases.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
March 17 2018 09:38 GMT
#671
On March 17 2018 18:37 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2018 18:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:31 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:27 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:24 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:20 Morbidius wrote:
Ill place all the blame on TLMC for voting in more and more "free 4 bases NR20 maps" for this kind of shit. CJ Biome was considered a joke map when it released and it was for a good reason.


The puzzling bit is that Eastwatch was technically a 'standard' map and not a 'macro' map.

The maps just keep getting bigger man. Give it 2 more years and all maps will be no rush 20 because that's how long you need to get across from natural to natural.


Despite the maps in TLMC10 being rather meh, I do think they are rather more moderate in size than the previous two TLMCs. For example Fracture a 'standard' map is basically a rush map.

Kinda true. Although this TLMC has a terrible top 5 so that's what's gonna hit us on ladder in 2 months.


I only hope that Blizzard in its infinite wisdom mostly ignores the public voting. 16-bit being on a ladder is unfortunately kind of a given unfortunately, but if Blizzard doesn't put Dreamcatcher in the pool, and also avoids putting both Catalyst and Blueshift in the same map pool, I think it could be okay.

And that's the first veto. How much further down the deep end will we go?


Here's a somewhat likely scenario that isn't awful: Acid Plant, Neon Violet, Blackpink, 16-bit, Blueshift, Lost and Found, Fracture.

Here's a somewhat likely scenario that is rather awful: Backwater, Catalyst, Eastwatch, 16-bit, Dreamcatcher, Backpfeifengesicht (renamed to Korhal Station), Blueshift

Dreamcatcher is a good map though, at least for once it doesn't have free 4+ bases. You actually have to work to get your bases.


The impression I got is that it was all about abusive drops.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
March 17 2018 09:38 GMT
#672
On March 17 2018 18:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2018 18:31 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:27 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:24 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:20 Morbidius wrote:
Ill place all the blame on TLMC for voting in more and more "free 4 bases NR20 maps" for this kind of shit. CJ Biome was considered a joke map when it released and it was for a good reason.


The puzzling bit is that Eastwatch was technically a 'standard' map and not a 'macro' map.

The maps just keep getting bigger man. Give it 2 more years and all maps will be no rush 20 because that's how long you need to get across from natural to natural.


Despite the maps in TLMC10 being rather meh, I do think they are rather more moderate in size than the previous two TLMCs. For example Fracture a 'standard' map is basically a rush map.

Kinda true. Although this TLMC has a terrible top 5 so that's what's gonna hit us on ladder in 2 months.


I only hope that Blizzard in its infinite wisdom mostly ignores the public voting. 16-bit being on a ladder is unfortunately kind of a given unfortunately, but if Blizzard doesn't put Dreamcatcher in the pool, and also avoids putting both Catalyst and Blueshift in the same map pool, I think it could be okay.

And that's the first veto. How much further down the deep end will we go?


Here's a somewhat likely scenario that isn't totally awful: Acid Plant, Neon Violet, Blackpink, 16-bit, Blueshift, Lost and Found, Fracture.

Idk, Neon Violet Squares can go fuck off too. And I don't like Fracture. Honestly I'm surprised how low Para Site ended cause that one actually played out well.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
March 17 2018 09:40 GMT
#673
Is being ahead on workers enough if you're a one base zerg? lol
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-17 09:44:21
March 17 2018 09:41 GMT
#674
On March 17 2018 18:38 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2018 18:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:31 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:27 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:24 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:20 Morbidius wrote:
Ill place all the blame on TLMC for voting in more and more "free 4 bases NR20 maps" for this kind of shit. CJ Biome was considered a joke map when it released and it was for a good reason.


The puzzling bit is that Eastwatch was technically a 'standard' map and not a 'macro' map.

The maps just keep getting bigger man. Give it 2 more years and all maps will be no rush 20 because that's how long you need to get across from natural to natural.


Despite the maps in TLMC10 being rather meh, I do think they are rather more moderate in size than the previous two TLMCs. For example Fracture a 'standard' map is basically a rush map.

Kinda true. Although this TLMC has a terrible top 5 so that's what's gonna hit us on ladder in 2 months.


I only hope that Blizzard in its infinite wisdom mostly ignores the public voting. 16-bit being on a ladder is unfortunately kind of a given unfortunately, but if Blizzard doesn't put Dreamcatcher in the pool, and also avoids putting both Catalyst and Blueshift in the same map pool, I think it could be okay.

And that's the first veto. How much further down the deep end will we go?


Here's a somewhat likely scenario that isn't totally awful: Acid Plant, Neon Violet, Blackpink, 16-bit, Blueshift, Lost and Found, Fracture.

Idk, Neon Violet Squares can go fuck off too. And I don't like Fracture. Honestly I'm surprised how low Para Site ended cause that one actually played out well.


Most of the voters didn't watch any games and voted based on looks rather than layout, and Para Site isn't the most attractive. And I think Blizzard will keep three old maps, so Neon Violet would be one of the least harmful ones.

Though I can see pros being happy about having two nearly identical maps in Catalyst and Blueshift in the pool. I remember Snute saying that he wouldn't mind having maps like New Boralis in the same pool as Daybreak/Overgrowth.
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
March 17 2018 09:42 GMT
#675
you shall respect classic, Dark.
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 17 2018 09:43 GMT
#676
It's hosting time
Neosteel Enthusiast
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
March 17 2018 09:43 GMT
#677
rogue did it at blizzcon :s
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 17 2018 09:43 GMT
#678
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Dark made infestation pit on 2 bases and is using it to make SWARM HOSTS?!
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
March 17 2018 09:43 GMT
#679
Dark digging deep into his bag of tricks here
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
March 17 2018 09:43 GMT
#680
On March 17 2018 18:41 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2018 18:38 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:31 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:27 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:24 Elentos wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 17 2018 18:20 Morbidius wrote:
Ill place all the blame on TLMC for voting in more and more "free 4 bases NR20 maps" for this kind of shit. CJ Biome was considered a joke map when it released and it was for a good reason.


The puzzling bit is that Eastwatch was technically a 'standard' map and not a 'macro' map.

The maps just keep getting bigger man. Give it 2 more years and all maps will be no rush 20 because that's how long you need to get across from natural to natural.


Despite the maps in TLMC10 being rather meh, I do think they are rather more moderate in size than the previous two TLMCs. For example Fracture a 'standard' map is basically a rush map.

Kinda true. Although this TLMC has a terrible top 5 so that's what's gonna hit us on ladder in 2 months.


I only hope that Blizzard in its infinite wisdom mostly ignores the public voting. 16-bit being on a ladder is unfortunately kind of a given unfortunately, but if Blizzard doesn't put Dreamcatcher in the pool, and also avoids putting both Catalyst and Blueshift in the same map pool, I think it could be okay.

And that's the first veto. How much further down the deep end will we go?


Here's a somewhat likely scenario that isn't totally awful: Acid Plant, Neon Violet, Blackpink, 16-bit, Blueshift, Lost and Found, Fracture.

Idk, Neon Violet Squares can go fuck off too. And I don't like Fracture. Honestly I'm surprised how low Para Site ended cause that one actually played out well.


Most of the voters didn't watch any games and voted based on looks rather than layout, and Para Site isn't the most attractive. And I think Blizzard will keep three old maps, so Neon Violet would be one of the least harmful ones.

Neon plays out just as bad as Backwater at least for the Terran match-ups honestly, we're lucky that the pocket isn't a full base.
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