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Dark never got adaptive talons?
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This ZvP meta is abusing the weaknesses in Protoss anti-air and detection so hard.
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Pretty cool game, seems pretty tough to split your army correctly in games like this for protoss.
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On March 17 2018 18:32 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2018 18:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:27 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:24 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:20 Morbidius wrote:
Ill place all the blame on TLMC for voting in more and more "free 4 bases NR20 maps" for this kind of shit. CJ Biome was considered a joke map when it released and it was for a good reason. The puzzling bit is that Eastwatch was technically a 'standard' map and not a 'macro' map. The maps just keep getting bigger man. Give it 2 more years and all maps will be no rush 20 because that's how long you need to get across from natural to natural. Despite the maps in TLMC10 being rather meh, I do think they are rather more moderate in size than the previous two TLMCs. For example Fracture a 'standard' map is basically a rush map. Kinda true. Although this TLMC has a terrible top 5 so that's what's gonna hit us on ladder in 2 months. I only hope that Blizzard in its infinite wisdom mostly ignores the public voting. 16-bit being on a ladder is unfortunately kind of a given unfortunately, but if Blizzard doesn't put Dreamcatcher in the pool, and also avoids putting both Catalyst and Blueshift in the same map pool, I think it could be okay. Catalyst will be gone anyway as they usually don't keep a map in for 3 seasons
They keep popular maps for very long times. Abyssal Reef was on ladder for almost exactly a year. And Catalyst is popular, cause it's perfectly standard.
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On March 17 2018 18:33 yht9657 wrote:
This ZvP meta is abusing the weaknesses in Protoss anti-air and detection so hard.
Can't protoss make 3 or 4 phoenix ?
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Wow next level mindgames coming up.
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Roaches, disappointing. I want to see Leenock's amazing proxy hatch from that 1 Proleague game make a comeback.
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On March 17 2018 18:31 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2018 18:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:27 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:24 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:20 Morbidius wrote:
Ill place all the blame on TLMC for voting in more and more "free 4 bases NR20 maps" for this kind of shit. CJ Biome was considered a joke map when it released and it was for a good reason. The puzzling bit is that Eastwatch was technically a 'standard' map and not a 'macro' map. The maps just keep getting bigger man. Give it 2 more years and all maps will be no rush 20 because that's how long you need to get across from natural to natural. Despite the maps in TLMC10 being rather meh, I do think they are rather more moderate in size than the previous two TLMCs. For example Fracture a 'standard' map is basically a rush map. Kinda true. Although this TLMC has a terrible top 5 so that's what's gonna hit us on ladder in 2 months. I only hope that Blizzard in its infinite wisdom mostly ignores the public voting. 16-bit being on a ladder is unfortunately kind of a given unfortunately, but if Blizzard doesn't put Dreamcatcher in the pool, and also avoids putting both Catalyst and Blueshift in the same map pool, I think it could be okay. And that's the first veto. How much further down the deep end will we go?
Here's a somewhat likely scenario that isn't totally awful: Acid Plant, Neon Violet, Blackpink, 16-bit, Blueshift, Lost and Found, Fracture.
Here's a somewhat likely scenario that is rather awful: Backwater, Catalyst, Eastwatch, 16-bit, Dreamcatcher, Backpfeifengesicht (renamed to Korhal Station), Blueshift
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On March 17 2018 18:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2018 18:31 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:27 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:24 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:20 Morbidius wrote:
Ill place all the blame on TLMC for voting in more and more "free 4 bases NR20 maps" for this kind of shit. CJ Biome was considered a joke map when it released and it was for a good reason. The puzzling bit is that Eastwatch was technically a 'standard' map and not a 'macro' map. The maps just keep getting bigger man. Give it 2 more years and all maps will be no rush 20 because that's how long you need to get across from natural to natural. Despite the maps in TLMC10 being rather meh, I do think they are rather more moderate in size than the previous two TLMCs. For example Fracture a 'standard' map is basically a rush map. Kinda true. Although this TLMC has a terrible top 5 so that's what's gonna hit us on ladder in 2 months. I only hope that Blizzard in its infinite wisdom mostly ignores the public voting. 16-bit being on a ladder is unfortunately kind of a given unfortunately, but if Blizzard doesn't put Dreamcatcher in the pool, and also avoids putting both Catalyst and Blueshift in the same map pool, I think it could be okay. And that's the first veto. How much further down the deep end will we go? Here's a somewhat likely scenario that isn't awful: Acid Plant, Neon Violet, Blackpink, 16-bit, Blueshift, Lost and Found, Fracture. Here's a somewhat likely scenario that is rather awful: Backwater, Catalyst, Eastwatch, 16-bit, Dreamcatcher, Backpfeifengesicht (renamed to Korhal Station), Blueshift
Dreamcatcher is a good map though, at least for once it doesn't have free 4+ bases. You actually have to work to get your bases.
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On March 17 2018 18:37 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2018 18:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:31 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:27 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:24 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:20 Morbidius wrote:
Ill place all the blame on TLMC for voting in more and more "free 4 bases NR20 maps" for this kind of shit. CJ Biome was considered a joke map when it released and it was for a good reason. The puzzling bit is that Eastwatch was technically a 'standard' map and not a 'macro' map. The maps just keep getting bigger man. Give it 2 more years and all maps will be no rush 20 because that's how long you need to get across from natural to natural. Despite the maps in TLMC10 being rather meh, I do think they are rather more moderate in size than the previous two TLMCs. For example Fracture a 'standard' map is basically a rush map. Kinda true. Although this TLMC has a terrible top 5 so that's what's gonna hit us on ladder in 2 months. I only hope that Blizzard in its infinite wisdom mostly ignores the public voting. 16-bit being on a ladder is unfortunately kind of a given unfortunately, but if Blizzard doesn't put Dreamcatcher in the pool, and also avoids putting both Catalyst and Blueshift in the same map pool, I think it could be okay. And that's the first veto. How much further down the deep end will we go? Here's a somewhat likely scenario that isn't awful: Acid Plant, Neon Violet, Blackpink, 16-bit, Blueshift, Lost and Found, Fracture. Here's a somewhat likely scenario that is rather awful: Backwater, Catalyst, Eastwatch, 16-bit, Dreamcatcher, Backpfeifengesicht (renamed to Korhal Station), Blueshift Dreamcatcher is a good map though, at least for once it doesn't have free 4+ bases. You actually have to work to get your bases.
The impression I got is that it was all about abusive drops.
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On March 17 2018 18:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2018 18:31 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:27 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:24 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:20 Morbidius wrote:
Ill place all the blame on TLMC for voting in more and more "free 4 bases NR20 maps" for this kind of shit. CJ Biome was considered a joke map when it released and it was for a good reason. The puzzling bit is that Eastwatch was technically a 'standard' map and not a 'macro' map. The maps just keep getting bigger man. Give it 2 more years and all maps will be no rush 20 because that's how long you need to get across from natural to natural. Despite the maps in TLMC10 being rather meh, I do think they are rather more moderate in size than the previous two TLMCs. For example Fracture a 'standard' map is basically a rush map. Kinda true. Although this TLMC has a terrible top 5 so that's what's gonna hit us on ladder in 2 months. I only hope that Blizzard in its infinite wisdom mostly ignores the public voting. 16-bit being on a ladder is unfortunately kind of a given unfortunately, but if Blizzard doesn't put Dreamcatcher in the pool, and also avoids putting both Catalyst and Blueshift in the same map pool, I think it could be okay. And that's the first veto. How much further down the deep end will we go? Here's a somewhat likely scenario that isn't totally awful: Acid Plant, Neon Violet, Blackpink, 16-bit, Blueshift, Lost and Found, Fracture.
Idk, Neon Violet Squares can go fuck off too. And I don't like Fracture. Honestly I'm surprised how low Para Site ended cause that one actually played out well.
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Is being ahead on workers enough if you're a one base zerg? lol
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On March 17 2018 18:38 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2018 18:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:31 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:27 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:24 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:20 Morbidius wrote:
Ill place all the blame on TLMC for voting in more and more "free 4 bases NR20 maps" for this kind of shit. CJ Biome was considered a joke map when it released and it was for a good reason. The puzzling bit is that Eastwatch was technically a 'standard' map and not a 'macro' map. The maps just keep getting bigger man. Give it 2 more years and all maps will be no rush 20 because that's how long you need to get across from natural to natural. Despite the maps in TLMC10 being rather meh, I do think they are rather more moderate in size than the previous two TLMCs. For example Fracture a 'standard' map is basically a rush map. Kinda true. Although this TLMC has a terrible top 5 so that's what's gonna hit us on ladder in 2 months. I only hope that Blizzard in its infinite wisdom mostly ignores the public voting. 16-bit being on a ladder is unfortunately kind of a given unfortunately, but if Blizzard doesn't put Dreamcatcher in the pool, and also avoids putting both Catalyst and Blueshift in the same map pool, I think it could be okay. And that's the first veto. How much further down the deep end will we go? Here's a somewhat likely scenario that isn't totally awful: Acid Plant, Neon Violet, Blackpink, 16-bit, Blueshift, Lost and Found, Fracture. Idk, Neon Violet Squares can go fuck off too. And I don't like Fracture. Honestly I'm surprised how low Para Site ended cause that one actually played out well.
Most of the voters didn't watch any games and voted based on looks rather than layout, and Para Site isn't the most attractive. And I think Blizzard will keep three old maps, so Neon Violet would be one of the least harmful ones.
Though I can see pros being happy about having two nearly identical maps in Catalyst and Blueshift in the pool. I remember Snute saying that he wouldn't mind having maps like New Boralis in the same pool as Daybreak/Overgrowth.
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you shall respect classic, Dark.
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rogue did it at blizzcon :s
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Dark made infestation pit on 2 bases and is using it to make SWARM HOSTS?!
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Dark digging deep into his bag of tricks here
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On March 17 2018 18:41 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2018 18:38 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:31 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:27 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:24 Elentos wrote:On March 17 2018 18:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On March 17 2018 18:20 Morbidius wrote:
Ill place all the blame on TLMC for voting in more and more "free 4 bases NR20 maps" for this kind of shit. CJ Biome was considered a joke map when it released and it was for a good reason. The puzzling bit is that Eastwatch was technically a 'standard' map and not a 'macro' map. The maps just keep getting bigger man. Give it 2 more years and all maps will be no rush 20 because that's how long you need to get across from natural to natural. Despite the maps in TLMC10 being rather meh, I do think they are rather more moderate in size than the previous two TLMCs. For example Fracture a 'standard' map is basically a rush map. Kinda true. Although this TLMC has a terrible top 5 so that's what's gonna hit us on ladder in 2 months. I only hope that Blizzard in its infinite wisdom mostly ignores the public voting. 16-bit being on a ladder is unfortunately kind of a given unfortunately, but if Blizzard doesn't put Dreamcatcher in the pool, and also avoids putting both Catalyst and Blueshift in the same map pool, I think it could be okay. And that's the first veto. How much further down the deep end will we go? Here's a somewhat likely scenario that isn't totally awful: Acid Plant, Neon Violet, Blackpink, 16-bit, Blueshift, Lost and Found, Fracture. Idk, Neon Violet Squares can go fuck off too. And I don't like Fracture. Honestly I'm surprised how low Para Site ended cause that one actually played out well. Most of the voters didn't watch any games and voted based on looks rather than layout, and Para Site isn't the most attractive. And I think Blizzard will keep three old maps, so Neon Violet would be one of the least harmful ones.
Neon plays out just as bad as Backwater at least for the Terran match-ups honestly, we're lucky that the pocket isn't a full base.
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EPT
