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On March 18 2018 00:30 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2018 00:27 FrkFrJss wrote:On March 17 2018 22:16 AgonySC wrote:
Always a happy day when Koreans win. No matter how many advantages Blizzard gives foreigners, talent always prevails.
First, I think that this sort of post on TL is just really toxic and unfair towards the foreigners, especially the top foreigners. The Non-Koreans complained so much that Blizzard split off the WCS Circuit for them yet they still try to take spots from Koreans in Korean tournaments. Toxic attitude from the pros deserves a toxic response from the fans.
Don't blame the players, blame the system
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On March 18 2018 00:27 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2018 22:16 AgonySC wrote:
Always a happy day when Koreans win. No matter how many advantages Blizzard gives foreigners, talent always prevails.
First, I think that this sort of post on TL is just really toxic and unfair towards the foreigners, especially the top foreigners. And second, did you miss the part where Classic lost to Serral?
It is pretty sad reading tourney threads on teamliquid these days.
It used to be so exciting reading match reports on here when you couldnt watch the games, or to catch up on games you missed, or even to follow along as you watch but nowadays it is mostly just balance whine or posts about the "gap" and foreigners.
Maybe it is inevitable that's how communities go for games as old as Starcraft 2 - only the die hard are left who are so jaded they are no longer excited about games and resort to in-jokes and memes.
Certain prolific posters (we all know the names) have been allowed to post pretty much outright racist posts like the above. When questioned it is "trolling" - I guess they are supposed to be funny. I have no idea why the mods allow it, but it has made these tournament threads toxic and no fun to read for quite awhile now.
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On March 18 2018 02:08 rjpageuk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2018 00:27 FrkFrJss wrote:On March 17 2018 22:16 AgonySC wrote:
Always a happy day when Koreans win. No matter how many advantages Blizzard gives foreigners, talent always prevails.
First, I think that this sort of post on TL is just really toxic and unfair towards the foreigners, especially the top foreigners. And second, did you miss the part where Classic lost to Serral? It is pretty sad reading tourney threads on teamliquid these days. It used to be so exciting reading match reports on here when you couldnt watch the games, or to catch up on games you missed, or even to follow along as you watch but nowadays it is mostly just balance whine or posts about the "gap" and foreigners. Maybe it is inevitable that's how communities go for games as old as Starcraft 2 - only the die hard are left who are so jaded they are no longer excited about games and resort to in-jokes and memes. Certain prolific posters (we all know the names) have been allowed to post pretty much outright racist posts like the above. When questioned it is "trolling" - I guess they are supposed to be funny. I have no idea why the mods allow it, but it has made these tournament threads toxic and no fun to read for quite awhile now.
well at least people participate and post, i for one enjoy tournament threads a ton
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On March 18 2018 02:08 rjpageuk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2018 00:27 FrkFrJss wrote:On March 17 2018 22:16 AgonySC wrote:
Always a happy day when Koreans win. No matter how many advantages Blizzard gives foreigners, talent always prevails.
First, I think that this sort of post on TL is just really toxic and unfair towards the foreigners, especially the top foreigners. And second, did you miss the part where Classic lost to Serral? It is pretty sad reading tourney threads on teamliquid these days. It used to be so exciting reading match reports on here when you couldnt watch the games, or to catch up on games you missed, or even to follow along as you watch but nowadays it is mostly just balance whine or posts about the "gap" and foreigners. Maybe it is inevitable that's how communities go for games as old as Starcraft 2 - only the die hard are left who are so jaded they are no longer excited about games and resort to in-jokes and memes. Certain prolific posters (we all know the names) have been allowed to post pretty much outright racist posts like the above. When questioned it is "trolling" - I guess they are supposed to be funny. I have no idea why the mods allow it, but it has made these tournament threads toxic and no fun to read for quite awhile now.
I don't think that's true at all, there's like one balance whine post per page and 5 anti-foreigner posts in this whole thread. I recall during WoL and HotS that entire threads would devolve into balance complaint screaming matches.
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On March 18 2018 02:08 rjpageuk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2018 00:27 FrkFrJss wrote:On March 17 2018 22:16 AgonySC wrote:
Always a happy day when Koreans win. No matter how many advantages Blizzard gives foreigners, talent always prevails.
First, I think that this sort of post on TL is just really toxic and unfair towards the foreigners, especially the top foreigners. And second, did you miss the part where Classic lost to Serral? It is pretty sad reading tourney threads on teamliquid these days. It used to be so exciting reading match reports on here when you couldnt watch the games, or to catch up on games you missed, or even to follow along as you watch but nowadays it is mostly just balance whine or posts about the "gap" and foreigners. Maybe it is inevitable that's how communities go for games as old as Starcraft 2 - only the die hard are left who are so jaded they are no longer excited about games and resort to in-jokes and memes. Certain prolific posters (we all know the names) have been allowed to post pretty much outright racist posts like the above. When questioned it is "trolling" - I guess they are supposed to be funny. I have no idea why the mods allow it, but it has made these tournament threads toxic and no fun to read for quite awhile now.
i feel the exact same way
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On March 18 2018 00:33 Kalera wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2018 00:30 Boggyb wrote:On March 18 2018 00:27 FrkFrJss wrote:On March 17 2018 22:16 AgonySC wrote:
Always a happy day when Koreans win. No matter how many advantages Blizzard gives foreigners, talent always prevails.
First, I think that this sort of post on TL is just really toxic and unfair towards the foreigners, especially the top foreigners. The Non-Koreans complained so much that Blizzard split off the WCS Circuit for them yet they still try to take spots from Koreans in Korean tournaments. Toxic attitude from the pros deserves a toxic response from the fans. Blizzard split the circuit because they realized the circumstances were bad for the overall popularity of the game, especially over the long term, not because they care about any given player. The pros just try to compete and win wherever they can..
Koreans were never a threat to the popularity of the game; and let's be honest, how did that pan out in retrospect?
Starcraft 2 is just an outdated model. In this day and age, a multiplayer game needs to have microtransactions and it needs to appeal to both the young fanbase and the female fanbase, both of which continue to grow each year.
If I were to bet, I'd say this is the last year of WCS, and if not definitely this next one will be the last. So what appeared to be a move for the "long term" made a lot of people that were fans of Koreans, including myself, salty over the extremely unfair system. Which matches always get the most views? Top koreans vs top foreigners.
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On March 18 2018 02:06 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2018 00:30 Boggyb wrote:On March 18 2018 00:27 FrkFrJss wrote:On March 17 2018 22:16 AgonySC wrote:
Always a happy day when Koreans win. No matter how many advantages Blizzard gives foreigners, talent always prevails.
First, I think that this sort of post on TL is just really toxic and unfair towards the foreigners, especially the top foreigners. The Non-Koreans complained so much that Blizzard split off the WCS Circuit for them yet they still try to take spots from Koreans in Korean tournaments. Toxic attitude from the pros deserves a toxic response from the fans. Don't blame the players, blame the system
The players are the ones who begged for the system, so yeah, blame the players.
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On March 18 2018 03:01 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2018 02:06 Charoisaur wrote:On March 18 2018 00:30 Boggyb wrote:On March 18 2018 00:27 FrkFrJss wrote:On March 17 2018 22:16 AgonySC wrote:
Always a happy day when Koreans win. No matter how many advantages Blizzard gives foreigners, talent always prevails.
First, I think that this sort of post on TL is just really toxic and unfair towards the foreigners, especially the top foreigners. The Non-Koreans complained so much that Blizzard split off the WCS Circuit for them yet they still try to take spots from Koreans in Korean tournaments. Toxic attitude from the pros deserves a toxic response from the fans. Don't blame the players, blame the system The players are the ones who begged for the system, so yeah, blame the players.
Not all of them
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On March 18 2018 03:01 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2018 02:06 Charoisaur wrote:On March 18 2018 00:30 Boggyb wrote:On March 18 2018 00:27 FrkFrJss wrote:On March 17 2018 22:16 AgonySC wrote:
Always a happy day when Koreans win. No matter how many advantages Blizzard gives foreigners, talent always prevails.
First, I think that this sort of post on TL is just really toxic and unfair towards the foreigners, especially the top foreigners. The Non-Koreans complained so much that Blizzard split off the WCS Circuit for them yet they still try to take spots from Koreans in Korean tournaments. Toxic attitude from the pros deserves a toxic response from the fans. Don't blame the players, blame the system The players are the ones who begged for the system, so yeah, blame the players.
Isn't this not true? I remember it being tournament organizers like DH/IEM saying they were going to pull SC2 because it was no longer profitable for them, so Blizzard made changes
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On March 18 2018 03:47 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2018 03:01 Boggyb wrote:On March 18 2018 02:06 Charoisaur wrote:On March 18 2018 00:30 Boggyb wrote:On March 18 2018 00:27 FrkFrJss wrote:On March 17 2018 22:16 AgonySC wrote:
Always a happy day when Koreans win. No matter how many advantages Blizzard gives foreigners, talent always prevails.
First, I think that this sort of post on TL is just really toxic and unfair towards the foreigners, especially the top foreigners. The Non-Koreans complained so much that Blizzard split off the WCS Circuit for them yet they still try to take spots from Koreans in Korean tournaments. Toxic attitude from the pros deserves a toxic response from the fans. Don't blame the players, blame the system The players are the ones who begged for the system, so yeah, blame the players. Isn't this not true? I remember it being tournament organizers like DH/IEM saying they were going to pull SC2 because it was no longer profitable for them, so Blizzard made changes
I believe one of the big changes regarding tournaments is Blizzard is the one putting up the prize pool and in some cases even subsidizing the cost of running the tournament.
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On March 18 2018 02:08 rjpageuk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2018 00:27 FrkFrJss wrote:On March 17 2018 22:16 AgonySC wrote:
Always a happy day when Koreans win. No matter how many advantages Blizzard gives foreigners, talent always prevails.
First, I think that this sort of post on TL is just really toxic and unfair towards the foreigners, especially the top foreigners. And second, did you miss the part where Classic lost to Serral? It is pretty sad reading tourney threads on teamliquid these days. It used to be so exciting reading match reports on here when you couldnt watch the games, or to catch up on games you missed, or even to follow along as you watch but nowadays it is mostly just balance whine or posts about the "gap" and foreigners. Maybe it is inevitable that's how communities go for games as old as Starcraft 2 - only the die hard are left who are so jaded they are no longer excited about games and resort to in-jokes and memes. Certain prolific posters (we all know the names) have been allowed to post pretty much outright racist posts like the above. When questioned it is "trolling" - I guess they are supposed to be funny. I have no idea why the mods allow it, but it has made these tournament threads toxic and no fun to read for quite awhile now.
It could be that there used to be a lot more enthusiasm to go along with the whining, but there's always been quite a bit of whining. When people weren't complaining about the unfair new WCS system, they were complaining about Koreans dominating every tournament. Every balance decision (or failure to swiftly nerf something from the current meta) has brought with it a great deal of complaint. I actually am not sure that now is any worse than any other time. I don't know if it's a generational thing or if it's because of Blizzard's core design decisions or what. But I do think that there's literally nothing they are capable of doing that would please everyone when it comes to SC2.
Having said that, I still see a good deal of enthusiasm in these threads. Actually, I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like there's maybe been an uptick lately on that front if anything. Or maybe I don't follow the foreign scene as much usually and it's got a slightly more lively fanbase at the moment? I don't know. But seriously, following WESG and IEM have given me a little more hope, if anything.
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I would love to watch Dark vs Serral Bo7 now to see who's the best zerg out there currently. But of course tomorrow final will also tell a lot. I feel like Serral needs some more time in korea, there are no terrans in EU to practice with. Once he fixes his ZvT (which is already the best outside of Korea) he might become the best zerg out there.
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On March 18 2018 05:44 Avicularia wrote:
I would love to watch Dark vs Serral Bo7 now to see who's the best zerg out there currently.
You mean behind Rogue?
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France13022 Posts
On March 18 2018 05:47 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2018 05:44 Avicularia wrote:
I would love to watch Dark vs Serral Bo7 now to see who's the best zerg out there currently. You mean behind Rogue?
Rogue is very mortal in ZvZ (didn't he get spanked by Serral already?)
And his TvZ is relatively bad when pulling the boys doesn't work (see vs Maru at Katowice)
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On March 18 2018 02:08 rjpageuk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2018 00:27 FrkFrJss wrote:On March 17 2018 22:16 AgonySC wrote:
Always a happy day when Koreans win. No matter how many advantages Blizzard gives foreigners, talent always prevails.
First, I think that this sort of post on TL is just really toxic and unfair towards the foreigners, especially the top foreigners. And second, did you miss the part where Classic lost to Serral? It is pretty sad reading tourney threads on teamliquid these days. It used to be so exciting reading match reports on here when you couldnt watch the games, or to catch up on games you missed, or even to follow along as you watch but nowadays it is mostly just balance whine or posts about the "gap" and foreigners. Maybe it is inevitable that's how communities go for games as old as Starcraft 2 - only the die hard are left who are so jaded they are no longer excited about games and resort to in-jokes and memes. Certain prolific posters (we all know the names) have been allowed to post pretty much outright racist posts like the above. When questioned it is "trolling" - I guess they are supposed to be funny. I have no idea why the mods allow it, but it has made these tournament threads toxic and no fun to read for quite awhile now.
If you think balance whine or anti-foreigner bias only started recently, you must not have been on TL anytime since 2010.
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On March 18 2018 05:44 Avicularia wrote:
I would love to watch Dark vs Serral Bo7 now to see who's the best zerg out there currently. But of course tomorrow final will also tell a lot. I feel like Serral needs some more time in korea, there are no terrans in EU to practice with. Once he fixes his ZvT (which is already the best outside of Korea) he might become the best zerg out there.
I would love to see a good nonZerg who's a threat to Koreans, not just Zergs.
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On March 18 2018 07:43 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2018 05:44 Avicularia wrote:
I would love to watch Dark vs Serral Bo7 now to see who's the best zerg out there currently. But of course tomorrow final will also tell a lot. I feel like Serral needs some more time in korea, there are no terrans in EU to practice with. Once he fixes his ZvT (which is already the best outside of Korea) he might become the best zerg out there. I would love to see a good nonZerg who's a threat to Koreans, not just Zergs.
There was Neeb last year.
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juicyjames
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Were there any recommended matches?
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