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Pandemona
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Poll: Maru vs Reynor Maru Wins (23) Please Don't Crush Reynor's Young Soul :( (23) Reynor Wins (6) 52 total votes Your vote: Maru vs Reynor (Vote): Maru Wins Poll: Serral vs Neeb Serral Wins (23) Neeb Wins (21) 44 total votes Your vote: Serral vs Neeb Poll: Classic vs Elazer Classic Wins (35) Elazer Wins (4) 39 total votes Your vote: Classic vs Elazer | ||
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On March 17 2018 05:24 Pandemona wrote: Ineed i think Neeb is the only one Maru might drop a map to, but i can't see Neeb beating Serral. So should be comfortable for Maru to get to the final vs Dark/Classic i definitely think Neeb has a chance vs Serral, his series vs Serral was very close at Katowice | ||
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Fango
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Also on another note, Neeb has never beaten a korean terran, and the only one Serral has beaten was aphrodite lol | ||
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On March 17 2018 06:10 Fango wrote: Serral isn't the clear favourate. The series they played at Katowice was the closest of the whole tournament. Also on another note, Neeb has never beaten a korean terran, and the only one Serral has beaten was aphrodite lol The really surprising thing about that is learning that Serral has played against Aphrodite in an offline event. | ||
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On March 17 2018 06:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote: The really surprising thing about that is learning that Serral has played against Aphrodite in an offline event. I remember that, it was IeSF. The year after Zest won it without dropping any maps. Right at the beginning of LotV. They held the finals in Seoul but Aphrodite was the only Korean in the main tournament. They had an archon match between Jin Air & KT tho. | ||
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On March 17 2018 06:10 Fango wrote: Serral isn't the clear favourate. The series they played at Katowice was the closest of the whole tournament. Also on another note, Neeb has never beaten a korean terran, and the only one Serral has beaten was aphrodite lol I have a feeling that Serral is getting better and better while Neeb is not in the best shape lately. But sure it can go either way, that's why it is the best match tomorrow. | ||
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On March 17 2018 08:03 Avicularia wrote: I have a feeling that zerg is getting better and better while protoss is not in the best shape lately. But sure it can go either way, that's why it is the best match tomorrow. | ||
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neutralrobot
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On March 17 2018 06:10 Fango wrote: Serral isn't the clear favourate. The series they played at Katowice was the closest of the whole tournament. Also on another note, Neeb has never beaten a korean terran, and the only one Serral has beaten was aphrodite lol I don't understand why you're saying this about Neeb. He won a KeSPA Cup. What am I missing? (Edit: Did he really not beat a single Korean terran in that run, or ever anywhere else? That's just weird if so.) | ||
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Morbidius
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On March 17 2018 10:06 neutralrobot wrote: I don't understand why you're saying this about Neeb. He won a KeSPA Cup. What am I missing? (Edit: Did he really not beat a single Korean terran in that run, or ever anywhere else? That's just weird if so.) Nope, he never has. | ||
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Boggyb
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On March 17 2018 10:06 neutralrobot wrote: I don't understand why you're saying this about Neeb. He won a KeSPA Cup. What am I missing? (Edit: Did he really not beat a single Korean terran in that run, or ever anywhere else? That's just weird if so.) Neeb's KeSPA cup run. Neeb offline vs. Korean Terrans. | ||
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neutralrobot
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How strange. | ||
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pvsnp
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There's a reason a lot of people downplay Neeb's win by saying he PvP'd his way through. Not saying they're right, but there's no denying that Neeb got lucky with his bracket either. And his current form is doing his fans no favors. | ||
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Fango
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On March 17 2018 10:06 neutralrobot wrote: I don't understand why you're saying this about Neeb. He won a KeSPA Cup. What am I missing? (Edit: Did he really not beat a single Korean terran in that run, or ever anywhere else? That's just weird if so.) In kespa cup he faced only protoss and the two worst zergs in the tournament. Probably one of the biggest ever cases of bracket luck (still impressive though). | ||
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Boggyb
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Not really considering how few opportunities he's had. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On March 17 2018 10:48 Fango wrote: In kespa cup he faced only protoss and the two worst zergs in the tournament. Probably one of the biggest ever cases of bracket luck (still impressive though). To Neeb's credit he did show proficiency in PvP by beating Stats who was the best PvPer in the world at the time. I'm sure we could find a tournament where the winner won by beating players who were very weak against the race of the winner, but strong in other match-ups. | ||
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Fango
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On March 17 2018 11:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote: To Neeb's credit he did show proficiency in PvP by beating Stats who was the best PvPer in the world at the time. I'm sure we could find a tournament where the winner won by beating players who were very weak against the race of the winner, but strong in other match-ups. How many other players are competitive exclusively in one matchup, and then win a premier tournament by playing almost only that? The difference in Neebs PvP compared to his vZ/T was ridiculous. I don't wanna get into talking about how the meta was perfect for him, or how koreans just hadn't practiced that particular style or whatever, but it's still one of the luckiest runs of all time. | ||
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VanCaspel
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Also: later today I aim to make available the replays from the group stage and first day of playoffs. Finals will follow tomorrow. | ||
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On March 17 2018 11:53 Fango wrote: How many other players are competitive exclusively in one matchup, and then win a premier tournament by playing almost only that? The difference in Neebs PvP compared to his vZ/T was ridiculous. I don't wanna get into talking about how the meta was perfect for him, or how koreans just hadn't practiced that particular style or whatever, but it's still one of the luckiest runs of all time. Jesus what is with the Neeb haters. If Neeb was Korean but won the exact same tournament in the exact same way nobody would dismiss his victory just because he got to play his best matchup. I don't understand how many times he has to prove himself before people will take him seriously. Personally I think Serral is better right now than Neeb ever was, and Serral's 2018 will most likely be even more dominant than Neeb was in 2017. Even if Neeb beats Serral now my opinion won't change on that. But that doesn't take anything away from what Neeb accomplished. At one moment in time Neeb was the best PvPer in the world and it was a great moment. He went on to earn more prize money in 2017 than any non Korean has ever earned in a single year. He's either extremely lucky or maybe he's actually good at Starcraft. | ||
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On March 17 2018 12:25 SoupKitchenInMyPants wrote: Jesus what is with the Neeb haters. If Neeb was Korean but won the exact same tournament in the exact same way nobody would dismiss his victory just because he got to play his best matchup. I don't understand how many times he has to prove himself before people will take him seriously. Personally I think Serral is better right now than Neeb ever was, and Serral's 2018 will most likely be even more dominant than Neeb was in 2017. Even if Neeb beats Serral now my opinion won't change on that. But that doesn't take anything away from what Neeb accomplished. At one moment in time Neeb was the best PvPer in the world and it was a great moment. He went on to earn more prize money in 2017 than any non Korean has ever earned in a single year. He's either extremely lucky or maybe he's actually good at Starcraft. Thats complete bullshit. If a Korean player was unable to compete (on the elite level) in 2/3 matchups and somehow won a tournament playing only the 1/3, in the only time where the meta allowed them to do so, they would be called the biggest patchtoss/bracket luck winner of all time. The only reason that win is remembered as anything special is because Neeb's American. He literally gets bonus treatment because he's a foreigner, not the other way around. And before you think I'm some blind Neeb hater, I actually think he's better than Serral right now and still the best foreigner. He should have won the series they played at IEM if not for technical issues. | ||
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edit: And he loses a second medivac and another 8 marines. Brutal. | ||
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On March 17 2018 12:36 Morbidius wrote: Well if we are going to talk about lucky runs, Zest's 2014 was built on his phenomenal PvP, other protosses eliminated zergs and terrans for him.. (And soO threw that final) PvP was his best matchup, but he was still the best PvZ player in the world. His 2014 run included beating Soulkey, soO, and Life (who were at the time the best zergs) multiple times. His PvT was always a weak point however. | ||
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On March 17 2018 12:47 chipmonklord17 wrote: if Raynor had waited until that viper had blinding cloud he wins the game immediately yes, that or having the overseer closer to see the ghosts would both possibly end the game | ||
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On March 17 2018 12:55 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Child Prodigy < Child Prodigy with 7 extra years under his belt where does TY fall into this equation? | ||
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Fango
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How old is TY? He played in tournaments at age 8 or something I think. | ||
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On March 17 2018 12:57 Fango wrote: How old is TY? He played in tournaments at age 8 or something I think. yeah I think he's child prodigy with ∞ years | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On March 17 2018 12:55 pvsnp wrote: Showed up when the Ultras did, did this Reynor kid really fight Maru straight-up to the lategame? Maru lost his first two medivacs and was pretty behind. Afterwards he still got damage done against Reynor in the mid-game against some lackluster defense. Reynor powered tech though so he still had an edge, but he botched an ultra vs marine/tank defense, and was behind. Both of them did a good job at sniping expos in the late game, but Maru tech-ed to ghosts while Reynor was stuck on ultras. So yeah Reynor did play straight up, but still didn't look too good in the midgame. | ||
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On March 17 2018 12:55 pvsnp wrote: Showed up when the Ultras did, did this Reynor kid really fight Maru straight-up to the lategame? No. He had a huge lead early after getting both of Maru's first two medivacs then squandered that lead the entire game. He was close to making moves that would have possibly won him the game, but either miss timed things or move commanded hydras. | ||
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Fango
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On March 17 2018 12:58 Shellshock wrote: yeah I think he's child prodigy with ∞ years He's literally been playing StarCraft as long as Reynor's been alive (15 years). | ||
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On March 17 2018 12:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Maru lost his first two medivacs and was pretty behind. Afterwards he still got damage done against Reynor in the mid-game against some lackluster defense. Reynor powered tech though so he still had an edge, but he botched an ultra vs marine/tank defense, and was behind. Both of them did a good job at sniping expos in the late game, but Maru tech-ed to ghosts while Reynor was stuck on ultras. So yeah Reynor did play straight up, but still didn't look too good in the midgame. Ah, makes sense I was like whoa that's super impressive from a guy I've never heard of On March 17 2018 12:59 Boggyb wrote: No. He had a huge lead early after getting both of Maru's first two medivacs then squandered that lead the entire game. He was close to making moves that would have possibly won him the game, but either miss timed things or move commanded hydras. Ok, so he's good but not that good | ||
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On March 17 2018 12:58 Shellshock wrote: yeah I think he's child prodigy with ∞ years Do you really count as a child prodigy if it takes you a decade to get real results? | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Do you really count as a child prodigy if it takes you a decade to get real results? idk every time I argued against it people got mad | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:02 Boggyb wrote: What the hell was that? Maru is simply doing what Polt does. He's intentially getting behind so he can practice catching up. New Comeback King confirmed? | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:01 pvsnp wrote: Ah, makes sense I was like whoa that's super impressive from a guy I've never heard of Ok, so he's good but not that good Reynor's actually pretty good. The reason we don't hear more of him is because he can't play in WCS. He'll be able to play in Valencia and Montreal though so looking forward to that. | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:04 pvsnp wrote: 9 Queens, Reynor is Snute 2.0? Nah, he plays for the early lategame, not the late late lategame like Snute does. | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:14 Boggyb wrote: If Maru plays the early game against Serral like he has in these first 2 games, he's going to be down 0-2. Serral's ZvT is a huge unknown. I suspect it isn't that great since there aren't any good foreign terrans to practice against. | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:15 pvsnp wrote: Calling it now, in 5 years after all the Koreans are in the army Reynor will be the best player in the world Question is if there will still be tournaments | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Serral's ZvT is a huge unknown. I suspect it isn't that great since there aren't any good foreign terrans to practice against. Surely it's better than Reynor's though? | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Serral's ZvT is a huge unknown. I suspect it isn't that great since there aren't any good foreign terrans to practice against. He had some sick games against Byun, INnoVation and Gumiho last year even though he lost. | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Serral's ZvT is a huge unknown. I suspect it isn't that great since there aren't any good foreign terrans to practice against. Is it? I think he beat Special at WCS or something? As I recall he has a strong (for a foreigner) macro style | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:20 Shellshock wrote: well Reynor isn't making the mistake of getting ahead this time That means he reverse-sweeps Maru amirite? | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:17 pvsnp wrote: Is it? I think he beat Special at WCS or something? As I recall he has a strong (for a foreigner) macro style Yeah, but Reynor's also just beat Special who didn't look that good. Serral's assuredly better than Reynor vs T, but I'm not sure by how much. | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:20 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yeah, but Reynor's also just beat Special who didn't look that good. Serral's assuredly better than Reynor vs T, but I'm not sure by how much. I think it's a fairly safe assumption that Maru neither knew nor cared about Reynor before this series, so I imagine he'll be a little less careless against Serral | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:22 pvsnp wrote: I think it's a fairly safe assumption that Maru neither knew nor cared about Reynor before this series, so I imagine he'll be a little less careless against Serral Maru being careful against a foreigner? Yeah, not happening. | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:22 pvsnp wrote: I think it's a fairly safe assumption that Maru neither knew nor cared about Reynor before this series, so I imagine he'll be a little less careless against Serral Maru will probably be just as cocky against serral | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:23 Fango wrote: Maru will probably be just as cocky against serral Tbh we can tell that Maru is taking this relatively seriously since he isn't doing the same meme build every map. | ||
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A little humility for a lot of money is a good deal | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:25 pvsnp wrote: Korean arrogance is a real thing, but I can't believe Maru wouldn't take a little more care in the semifinals A little humility for a lot of money is a good deal You'd think the $200K prize would make him take it a bit seriously | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:25 pvsnp wrote: Korean arrogance is a real thing, but I can't believe Maru wouldn't take a little more care in the semifinals A little humility for a lot of money is a good deal When Maru is being arrogant, he's throwing out cheese after cheese or going for meme builds. Losing medivacs for free or morphing hellbats when his hellions are surrounded is not arrogance. | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:25 pvsnp wrote: Korean arrogance is a real thing, but I can't believe Maru wouldn't take a little more care in the semifinals A little humility for a lot of money is a good deal $2000 wasn't enough to not make him 2-rax four games in a row against TIME. | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:27 Fango wrote: You'd think the $200K prize would make him take it a bit seriously I mean, at least he isn't just going for proxy reapers every game like he did against Time | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:27 Boggyb wrote: When Maru is being arrogant, he's throwing out cheese after cheese or going for meme builds. Losing medivacs for free or morphing hellbats when his hellions are surrounded is not arrogance. Against Myungsik he didn't cheese but was playing definitely arrogant. | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote: $2000 wasn't enough to not make him 2-rax four games in a row against TIME. Yeah but we're talking two orders of magnitude higher here | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:28 Waxangel wrote: Good rite of passage :O looking forward to Reynor in the rest of the WCS tournaments this year I wonder how it feels after finally playing a good Terran. | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:29 Boggyb wrote: I thought Reynor couldn't play in WCS tournaments since he wasn't 16 at the start of the year. Was that changed some time? Blizzard gave in to community outrage and changed the rules to 16 at the start of the tourney Source: https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/news/21358660/Updated-Rules-Reveal-New-Prizing,-Points,-and-Age-Requirements/ | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:29 Boggyb wrote: I thought Reynor couldn't play in WCS tournaments since he wasn't 16 at the start of the year. Was that changed some time? Yeah. People complained enough, so he'll be able to play in Valencia and Montreal (though not Austin). Likewise Clem and Future will be eligible for these tourneys. | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:30 Fango wrote: Maru could easily get cocky against Serral and lose. He dumpsters foreigners so often that he's probably used to barely trying. I can see him dropping a map, but not the series | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
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On March 17 2018 13:32 pvsnp wrote: I can see him dropping a map, but not the series Maru would only start playing seriously when he's one map from losing. At which point Serral only has to win one map. It's doable. | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:34 Azhrak wrote: Let's see if Serral starts losing any maps yet. Pls no | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:40 pvsnp wrote: Serral first impressed me by being the only player more blandly faceless than Neeb FTFY | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:40 pvsnp wrote: Serral first impressed me by being the only foreigner more blandly faceless than Neeb Neeb's kinda funny when he's unexpectedly blunt in interviews. But yeah, I don't have much to say about Serral. | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:42 Fango wrote: Hopefully if the game lags Serral will be the one to lose his whole army. Salty? | ||
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I'm sure Neeb is saltier. It literally cost him a ro12 spot at iem. | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:40 pvsnp wrote: Serral first impressed me by being the only foreigner more blandly faceless than Neeb It's not his fault the only emotion Finns are only capable of feeling is apathy. | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:46 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: So far so good for Serral never mind -_- | ||
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Protossed? :D | ||
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On March 17 2018 13:55 Solar424 wrote: I don't think I've ever seen a game where Neeb gets to mass Carriers and loses. It does happen, but not usually when his opponent is still building roaches. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:05 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Neeb's mistake was to let Serral play his own game Losing those HTs was a really big mistake | ||
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Think that's the idea anyhow. You see these really expensive zerg counterattacks with lurkers etc., but you can almost never imagine a protoss trying the same with his HT/archons. Carriers are just too irreplacable Really cool and insightful style! | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:07 yubo56 wrote: think Serral's figured out that spores mean zerg can dedicate pretty expensive units to runbys, which trades inordinately well with static defense (all protoss can afford, you need gas units to protect sky army from corruptor dives). So interestingly, by trading gas for minerals and time, serral depletes the bank of the protoss while building up the spore forest, at which point he's unbeatable Think that's the idea anyhow. You see these really expensive zerg counterattacks with lurkers etc., but you can almost never imagine a protoss trying the same with his HT/archons. Carriers are just too irreplacable Really cool and insightful style! Lurkers drive Ferraris, compared to HT/Archons in Miatas | ||
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Of course, you'd also need serral's mechanics... | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:10 yubo56 wrote: Haha guess the best analogy would be immortals? A really strong unit that you don't need with your core high-cost army. Guess the protoss equivalent of Serral's playstyle would be to use a lot more immortals going well into the lategame, both with executing runbys and defending runbys Of course, you'd also need serral's mechanics... Immortal run-bys would be a rather terrible idea. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Immortal run-bys would be a rather terrible idea. If Tank run-bys are a thing, Immortal run-by sounds great | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:12 Inflicted wrote: If Tank run-bys are a thing, Immortal run-by sounds great Those tank run-bys weren't exactly stellar for uThermal. | ||
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That being said, pretty impressive from Serral | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:20 youngjiddle wrote: and that's why archon immortal is the only viable unit comp... If his storms are on point he wins right there | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:22 Charoisaur wrote: If his storms are on point he wins right there Not without forcefields imo. And I like how Blackpink is the next map. They mostly just arranged them in decreasing order of size. | ||
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Yep. The banelings still murder at least the Colossi even with perfect storms. | ||
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I've played against master 3 players who have more EPM than most pros, that statistic is absolutely meaningless. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Immortal run-bys would be a rather terrible idea. I think so too! I'm not sure what the correct answer is though. By including a lurker or two w/ your roach runbys, you suddenly make zealot + cannon defenses extremely cost inefficient. I don't feel like Protoss has an equivalent unit off the top of my head... Serral's innovation in ZvP is kinda similar to the trend where people started including ultras in their runbys. Idk, I guess protoss really doesn't have quite the same sort of unit huh ._. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:26 youngjiddle wrote: the patch can't come fast enough. you can't nerf skill  | ||
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It's funny how all of these Zerg players have shot up in skill since December. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:33 GrandTerran wrote: Is the final today? No, but everything else is. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:29 Boggyb wrote: It's funny how all of these Zerg players have shot up in skill since December. Serral was a top 3 foreign Zerg before the patch. | ||
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Thanks! Yeah I got confused when I heard the semis are on today. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:35 Solar424 wrote: Serral was a top 3 foreign Zerg before the patch. And? Not saying he's a patchzerg but there's a huge difference between top 3 foreign Zerg and being the undisputed best foreigner. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:29 Boggyb wrote: It's funny how all of these Zerg players have shot up in skill since December. And Terrans and Protosses became shit at the game overnight, thank god Zergs like Serral and Scarlett are putting garbage like Innovation and sOs where they belong thru raw skill. Must be Kespa disband or training in korea. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:40 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: 3 hours before next Serral match starts wtf At the rate we're going it won't take three hours especially with a ZvZ. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:41 ZigguratOfUr wrote: At the rate we're going it won't take three hours especially with a ZvZ. Never know. Anyways it seems like I wont sleep today | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:38 Charoisaur wrote: And? Not saying he's a patchzerg but there's a huge difference between top 3 foreign Zerg and being the undisputed best foreigner. The best foreigner has pretty much always been a Zerg, so it's not too much of a leap. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:43 Solar424 wrote: The best foreigner has pretty much always been a Zerg, so it's not too much of a leap. Except the best foreigner for the past ~3 years has undisputedly been Neeb.. and we just saw him get dismantled with ease in a matchup with 43% winrate... I think we have our answer. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:43 Solar424 wrote: The best foreigner has pretty much always been a Zerg, so it's not too much of a leap. When was the last time the best foreigner was a Zerg before Serral. Snute in HotS? | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:45 SnowfaLL wrote: Except the best foreigner for the past ~3 years has undisputedly been Neeb.. and we just saw him get dismantled with ease in a matchup with 43% winrate... I think we have our answer. Three years? Neeb wasn't anywhere close to the best anything in 2015. | ||
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Morbidius
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On March 17 2018 14:47 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Three years? Neeb wasn't anywhere close to the best anything in 2015. He was, but he was choosing the wrong race in lobbies. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:45 Charoisaur wrote: When was the last time the best foreigner was a Zerg before Serral. Snute in HotS? Nerchio in 2016, and even in 2017 the top 5 were 4 Zergs with Neeb at the top. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:48 Morbidius wrote: He was, but he was choosing the wrong race in lobbies. Pretty sure he had already seen the Khala back in 2015. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:49 Solar424 wrote: Nerchio in 2016, and even in 2017 the top 5 were 4 Zergs with Neeb at the top. I don't think Nerchio was ever the best foreigner, either Showtime or Neeb were always ahead of him. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:40 Morbidius wrote: And Terrans and Protosses became shit at the game overnight, thank god Zergs like Serral and Scarlett are putting garbage like Innovation and sOs where they belong thru raw skill. Must be Kespa disband or training in korea. That's just Scarlett. But yeah surely this patch made Serral since before he was trash (just ask neeb) and barely winning against anyone, and a lot of the wins haven't been against other zergs. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I'd like to see Elazer go for a roach warren like Serral did. It just seems more stable than trying to hold everything with +1 lings especially against the way Classic plays. I'd like to see Elazer going for a Nydus | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:53 argonautdice wrote: how come sometimes when someone whines about balance they get banned while other times nothing happens? Length and quality of posting history among other factors I guess. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:53 Charoisaur wrote: I don't think Nerchio was ever the best foreigner, either Showtime or Neeb were always ahead of him. I think he was the best foreigner in April-May 2016 in between Snute and Showtime. Also mid-2012 I think he was the best at some point in between Stephano's reign? | ||
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pvsnp
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On March 17 2018 14:54 D-light wrote: That's just Scarlett. But yeah surely this patch made Serral since before he was trash (just ask neeb) and barely winning against anyone, and a lot of the wins haven't been against other zergs. Only Scarlett is a patchzerg? But premise is flawed since 4.0 was undeniably the best for Zerg. Just because specific Zergs aren't trash before the patch doesn't mean the patch had no effect. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:58 pvsnp wrote: Only Scarlett is a patchzerg? But premise is flawed since 4.0 was undeniably the best for Zerg. Just because specific Zergs aren't trash before the patch doesn't mean the patch had no effect. We need Mizenhauer to tell us. | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I think he was the best foreigner in April-May 2016 in between Snute and Showtime. Also mid-2012 I think he was the best at some point in between Stephano's reign? Winning a tounament doesnt make you the best for 3 months. | ||
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btw Neeb was not the best foreigner in 2016. | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:00 Morbidius wrote: Winning a tounament doesnt make you the best for 3 months. Nerchio got top 4 in 4 out of 5 tournaments in the first half of of 2016, I'm pretty sure that makes him the best foreigner in that time span. Also, I forgot how terrible the WCS format was for 2016, that was probably the low point for SC2: 2 GSL's a year, matchfixing, end of Proleague, and 3 WCS championships. The only positive things I can remember from that year are Neeb's Kespa Cup run and Byun's return from the grave to win GSL and Blizzcon. | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:00 MrWayne wrote: Serral played just way better today than Neeb, deserved victory. I enjoy the Protoss salt btw Neeb was not the best foreigner in 2016. He had the most WCS points | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:58 pvsnp wrote: Only Scarlett is a patchzerg? But premise is flawed since 4.0 was undeniably the best for Zerg. Just because specific Zergs aren't trash before the patch doesn't mean the patch had no effect. Not sure. The examples you gave were all Scarlett. It's good for him also sure, just feels like there's some hyperbole. | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Meanwhile Elazer just wins the game. There's games? | ||
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New best foreigner? | ||
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They are kind of a sideshow, but they might come in useful when determining who was the best foreigner of March-April 2018 six months down the line. | ||
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He had consistent results throughout the year and won Kespa Cup which got him a ton of points, but he was never the consensus #1. | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:09 Charoisaur wrote: Elazer did what Serral couldn't. New best foreigner? That was before Classic started losing though. He's officially washed up now  . | ||
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On March 17 2018 14:53 argonautdice wrote: how come sometimes when someone whines about balance they get banned while other times nothing happens? Only get banned when you complain about other races then Zerg. But yeah the balance whine here is a joke. Lots of Protoss and Terran are doing fine, Neeb and Inno are just out of form | ||
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D-light
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On March 17 2018 15:09 Charoisaur wrote: Elazer did what Serral couldn't. New best foreigner? Yesterday it was Serral, 3-0'ing Elazer. Now comes the time of Elazer. Move over, Joona. | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:12 Hephaistas89 wrote: Only get banned when you complain about other races then Zerg. But yeah the balance whine here is a joke. Lots of Protoss and Terran are doing fine, Neeb and Inno are just out of form By lots of terrans doing fine you mean Maru, MoustacheTerran, PirateTerran, and TerranSucksBallsWithoutMe right? | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote: By lots of terrans doing fine you mean Maru, MoustacheTerran, PirateTerran, and TerranSucksBallsWithoutMe right? You forgot TerranSucksBallsWithoutRavens. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On March 17 2018 15:10 Solar424 wrote: He had consistent results throughout the year and won Kespa Cup which got him a ton of points, but he was never the consensus #1. Uhmm, he definitely was the consensus #1 after winning Kespa Cup | ||
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Hephaistas89
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On March 17 2018 15:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote: By lots of terrans doing fine you mean Maru, MoustacheTerran, PirateTerran, and TerranSucksBallsWithoutMe right? Alive and TY did fine in GSL, just unlucky in getting soO and Dark. | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:24 Hephaistas89 wrote: Alive and TY did fine in GSL, just unlucky in getting soO and Dark. Beating B team opponents and being rolled by people of similar skill= fine. | ||
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pvsnp
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Yknow the guy who is arguably most famous for his amazing blink-era performance. The guy renowned for doing well when Terran isn't. He got nicknamed the Fourth Race for a reason. | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:29 pvsnp wrote: Maru is literally solo carrying Terran atm Yknow the guy who is arguably most famous for his amazing blink-era performance. The guy renowned for doing well when Terran isn't. He got nicknamed the Fourth Race for a reason. If Maru is carrying Terran, than Rogue is carrying Zerg, at least in Korea. The last time a Zerg won a tournament with more than 2 Koreans in it that wasn't Rogue was when Dark won the Cross Finals in September 2016. | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: These Korean players just so happen to be pretty okay at Starcraft 2: Legacy of the Void Starcraft 2 : Legacy of the Void for PC* | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:33 Solar424 wrote: If Maru is carrying Terran, than Rogue is carrying Zerg, at least in Korea. The last time a Zerg won a tournament with more than 2 Koreans in it that wasn't Rogue was when Dark won the Cross Finals in September 2016. Except that Zergs have actually been doing just fine in tournaments until soO chokes in the finals. And now that Zerg has very literally won every single major tournament since September 2017, I think they're doing more than fine. Whereas Maru is literally the only Terran in the playoffs multiple tournaments in a row. | ||
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Star Craft 2: Legacy of the Void Free for PC* | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:33 Solar424 wrote: If Maru is carrying Terran, than Rogue is carrying Zerg, at least in Korea. The last time a Zerg won a tournament with more than 2 Koreans in it that wasn't Rogue was when Dark won the Cross Finals in September 2016. That's because soO and Dark always lose in the finals | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:33 Solar424 wrote: If Maru is carrying Terran, than Rogue is carrying Zerg, at least in Korea. The last time a Zerg won a tournament with more than 2 Koreans in it that wasn't Rogue was when Dark won the Cross Finals in September 2016. I mean Rogue ZvZed out soO at Blizzcon. So the highly specific tournament criteria you're cherrypicking don't sound that great. | ||
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Hephaistas89
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On March 17 2018 15:27 Morbidius wrote: Beating B team opponents and being rolled by people of similar skill= fine. You really act like a whiny little bitch. Rogue is a B teamer? And Uthermal came very close to beating Dark, but I guess when Zergs lose they just play bad and when Terran loses it's balance. Anyway other Terran players should watch Maru, the guy is honestly insane, lots to learn from his play | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:33 Solar424 wrote: If Maru is carrying Terran, than Rogue is carrying Zerg, at least in Korea. The last time a Zerg won a tournament with more than 2 Koreans in it that wasn't Rogue was when Dark won the Cross Finals in September 2016. I do like how this specific wording conveniently leaves out Scarlett's victory. | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:29 pvsnp wrote: Whereas Maru is literally the only Terran in the playoffs multiple tournaments in a row. Perhaps you could name these tournaments? | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:37 MrWayne wrote: turns out PvZ is sill winnable. Looks like Neeb just have to git gud. Just play like Classic ...Unless your opponent is Rogue | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I mean Rogue ZvZed out soO at Blizzcon. So the highly specific tournament criteria you're cherrypicking don't sound that great. I'm not sure how filtering out the tournaments that aren't at the highest skill level is cherry picking. soO basically got a free road to the finals, beating an out-of-form GuMiho and rolling over Special, while Rogue had to beat TY. | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:38 GreatTrash wrote: Perhaps you could name these tournaments? GSL ring a bell? I hear it's kind of a big deal. Aside from that we had Katowice (apparently TY so it was 2/12 instead of 1/8) and of course WESG. We expect Zerg to do disproportionately well in the foreign scene. It's when they do disproportionately well everywhere that it becomes a balance issue. | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:37 FrkFrJss wrote: I do like how this specific wording conveniently leaves out Scarlett's victory. IEM was basically a WCS event, let's be honest. And if a foreign Zerg is doing a better job of beating Koreans than Korean Zergs are, than the race is weak in Korea. | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:39 Solar424 wrote: I'm not sure how filtering out the tournaments that aren't at the highest skill level is cherry picking. soO basically got a free road to the finals, beating an out-of-form GuMiho and rolling over Special, while Rogue had to beat TY. If you include qualifiers which are a part of a tournament Pyeongchang had more than 2 koreans. But I guess it doesn't count because it doesn't fit your narrative | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:41 Solar424 wrote: IEM was basically a WCS event, let's be honest. When a zerg wins it its a tier 2 event with lots of foreigners(IEM, Blizzcon), when T or P wins... I don't know what it is, because they havem't won shit in 6 months. | ||
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This ain't even a 13/12 I think--it's faster. | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:43 Charoisaur wrote: If you include qualifiers which are a part of a tournament Pyeongchang had more than 2 koreans. But I guess it doesn't count because it doesn't fit your narrative Since when have qualifiers that were held online a month and a half before the tournament been part of it? | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Dark starting out strong. This ain't even a 13/12 I think--it's faster. Correct, it was a 12/11, and rather than pooling the lings until speed finishes like he used to do with 13/12, he directly went to kill the hatch. | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:54 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Scarlett sure loves her mutas ZvZ is the only matchup where they're actually useful, gotta use them while you can. | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:54 Durnuu wrote: Correct, it was a 12/11, and rather than pooling the lings until speed finishes like he used to do with 13/12, he directly went to kill the hatch. The main benefit is the faster baneling nest right? The zergling attack itself isn't that much stronger. And hmmm mutas against nydus. | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:45 Morbidius wrote: When a zerg wins it its a tier 2 event with lots of foreigners(IEM, Blizzcon), when T or P wins... I don't know what it is, because they havem't won shit in 6 months. That's Olimoleague, a full kor tournament : OlimoLeague Week #109 won by herO 2018-01-09 OlimoLeague Week #110 won by Innovation 2018-01-15 OlimoLeague Week #111 won by herO 2018-01-23 Monthly Finals January won by herO 2018-01-30 OlimoLeague Week #112 won by GuMiho 2018-02-13 OlimoLeague Week #113 won by herO 2018-02-20 Monthly Finals January February won by Zest 2018-03-13 OlimoLeague Week #114 won by Zest 2018-03-06 | ||
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On March 17 2018 15:57 Tyrhanius wrote: That's Olimoleague, a full kor tournament : OlimoLeague Week #109 won by herO 2018-01-09 OlimoLeague Week #110 won by Innovation 2018-01-15 OlimoLeague Week #111 won by herO 2018-01-23 Monthly Finals January won by herO 2018-01-30 OlimoLeague Week #112 won by GuMiho 2018-02-13 OlimoLeague Week #113 won by herO 2018-02-20 Monthly Finals January February won by Zest 2018-03-13 OlimoLeague Week #114 won by Zest 2018-03-06 It's always puzzled me how so many top terrans and protosses regularly participate in Olimoleague, but top zerg participation has been lacking (Solar and Impact participate often. Rogue occasionally, but I think Dark or soO seldom if ever do?) . | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:01 HolydaKing wrote: like i thought, mutas scouted = gg, they are garbage if you know they come. Turns out you're right. God this unit is garbage in every matchup | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's always puzzled me how so many top terrans and protosses regularly participate in Olimoleague, but top zerg participation has been lacking (Solar and Impact participate often. Rogue occasionally, but I don't think Dark or soO often do?) . Ex-SKT players rarely play online tournaments, Impact being an exception. INno participates occasionally like Rogue, but unfortunately with Dark and soO never playing online basically, we lose two top zergs in olimoleagues | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:01 HolydaKing wrote: like i thought, mutas scouted = gg, they are garbage if you know they come. They're garbage if you build any sort of anti-air. I think they only unit with an anti-air attack that loses a fight to Mutas are Sentries, and even that might not be guaranteed with Guardian Shield. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On March 17 2018 16:03 Solar424 wrote: They're garbage if you build any sort of anti-air. I think they only unit with an anti-air attack that loses a fight to Mutas are Sentries, and even that might not be guaranteed with Guardian Shield. Cyclones Also mutas aren't supposed to win straight up fights | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's always puzzled me how so many top terrans and protosses regularly participate in Olimoleague, but top zerg participation has been lacking (Solar and Impact participate often. Rogue occasionally, but I think Dark or soO seldom if ever do?) . Dunno, the cash prize is also really small (100$ for the winnner), while it's harder than a WCS event ^^ | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Cyclones vs Mutas has never, ever happened Ptak beat Byun last year in Nationwars | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What happens if rapid fire launchers is researched? With good kiting maybe cyclones win but that requires enough space to kite. | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Well, this is just what Scarlett vs Korean Zergs is now I guess Not enough hitting herself with her own biles. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On March 17 2018 16:08 Solar424 wrote: So Dark is going to win this series off of 3 build order wins, great. He's just skill-checking her | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:09 Solar424 wrote: Not enough hitting herself with her own biles. Good guy Dark helping out Scarlett by killing her before Ravagers | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:09 Solar424 wrote: Not enough hitting herself with her own biles. True, this is Dark mind gaming her, not her actively killing herself. Completely different | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Cyclones vs Mutas has never, ever happened Not in pro games maybe, but on ladder yeah. Mutas are very good vs cyclon, but you don't build them as thors hard counter them and mutas are very expensive. | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:12 Charoisaur wrote: Good to see Scarlett lose, I don't like her since the skin incident. I'm pretty sure you shouldn't dislike someone because they're white. | ||
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After holding she was ahead game 1 until she went mutas. | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:13 Solar424 wrote: I'm pretty sure you shouldn't dislike someone because they're white. I think he just doesn't like underdogs in general. | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:13 Solar424 wrote: I'm pretty sure you shouldn't dislike someone because they're white. But you should like them because they're white? | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:14 Azhrak wrote: I think he just doesn't like underdogs in general. Why does he dislike French players? | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:11 yangluphil wrote: Scarlett earned the respect with that iem champion for koreans to mix it up against her. She should feel good about this. Classic did the same vs Serral. You stop to underestimate someone when she has beaten Rogue, Innovation and sOs | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:16 Tyrhanius wrote: You stop to underestimate someone when she has beaten Rogue, Innovation and sOs Did you know that Cure has also beaten Rogue, INnoVation and sOs? | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:16 Tyrhanius wrote: You stop to underestimate someone when she has beaten Rogue, Innovation and sOs You should stop overestimating someone when they've lost to Namshar, Guru, and TRUE | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Did you know that Cure has also beaten Rogue, INnoVation and sOs? Yeah but Cure is the GOAT | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Damn, what a smack down. I stayed up to 1am for this shit Don't hang yourself on your way to bed | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Damn, what a smack down. I stayed up to 1am for this shit You should know better at this point, whenever she plays against Zerg I just expect complete failure. | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:20 Solar424 wrote: You should know better at this point, whenever she plays against Zerg I just expect complete failure. Except at Pyeongchang | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:20 Solar424 wrote: You should know better at this point, whenever she plays against Zerg I just expect complete failure. Losing to soO and Dark is not exactly an epic failure though considering their ZvZ records | ||
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I said that I expect it, not that it's inevitable. | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Damn, what a smack down. I stayed up to 1am for this shit I know, it was worth it, right? | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:21 pvsnp wrote: Losing to soO and Dark is not exactly an epic failure though considering their ZvZ records Never looking like you had a chance against them is, and so is getting beaten 1-4 by Namshar and 0-2 by Guru. | ||
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No, I really just need to accept that when I stay up to watch her she loses. When I pas out before she plays Nerchio she wins easily. It's my fault really. | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:16 Tyrhanius wrote: You stop to underestimate someone when she has beaten Rogue, Innovation and sOs Exactly, those three all played the series vs Scarlett in a way as if she's way below their level, which gave Scarlett a bigger chance. Dark and SoO took a bit more seriously. Another example was Nerchio talking trash about Koreans before Kespa cup (the one that Neeb won), and Maru took it all out in the series vs him. It look ugly but in reality that's where you get to experience real korean competition, which is good. | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:23 HolydaKing wrote: How bad is Serral's ZvT? It's his weakest match up on Aligulac but I still want to believe. His vs KR terran stats aren't promising, but at least he won vs Maru recently. :D It's quite good, he plays a defensive macro style with counters But Maru's not exactly your average Terran, so..... | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:23 HolydaKing wrote: How bad is Serral's ZvT? It's his weakest match up on Aligulac but I still want to believe. His vs KR terran stats aren't promising, but at least he won vs Maru recently. :D It's a big question mark. And the win vs Maru is meaningless since Maru was playing on EU. | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:23 HolydaKing wrote: How bad is Serral's ZvT? It's his weakest match up on Aligulac but I still want to believe. His vs KR terran stats aren't promising, but at least he won vs Maru recently. :D He looked really impressive last year against Byun, Innovation and Gumiho even though he lost | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:23 HolydaKing wrote: How bad is Serral's ZvT? It's his weakest match up on Aligulac but I still want to believe. His vs KR terran stats aren't promising, but at least he won vs Maru recently. :D Obligatory BUNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYY | ||
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Go Maru | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: No, I really just need to accept that when I stay up to watch her she loses. When I pas out before she plays Nerchio she wins easily. It's my fault really. NoRegret is trying to convince me in twitch chat that Scarlett is favored vs Dark in a late game and all I can do is question why I ever trusted his coaching abilities. Noregret is not a bad coach from what I've seen, but his strategies inevitably rely on cheesy timings. Once you score some major upsets and gain notoriety in the scene, players start taking you seriously and your winrate plummets. Unless you're sOs, then you keep winning and everyone just hates you Also it's really hard to cheese in ZvZ since opening standard is itself cheese | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:26 pvsnp wrote: Noregret is not a bad coach from what I've seen, but his strategies inevitably rely on cheesy timings. Once you score some major upsets and gain notoriety in the scene, players start taking you seriously and your winrate plummets. Unless you're sOs, then you keep winning and everyone just hates you sOs' builds were always changing to the point where you can never expect what's coming, but NoRegret's generally just involve lots of Zerglings. It's mostly just a difference in the design of the two races. | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:27 usopsama wrote: What???? The Semifinals is starting soon? I was about to go to sleep. Surprise! Another foreigner beat down to send you off! | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Did you know that Cure has also beaten Rogue, INnoVation and sOs? It's not that surprising, Cure is Jin Air and trains with Rogue, sOs and Maru. But yeah, creator is jin air too, not the perfect example xd | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Surprise! Another foreigner beat down to send you off! Usopsama crying tears of joy | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:28 Solar424 wrote: sOs' builds were always changing to the point where you can never expect what's coming, but NoRegret's generally just involve lots of Zerglings. It's mostly just a difference in the design of the two races. What sOs comes up with isn't necessarily good tbf. I remember some absolutely terrible builds that he pulled out at the cross-finals. Though come to think of it one of them involved carriers. So maybe he was just ahead of his time (this was pre-3.8). | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:31 Tyrhanius wrote: It's not that surprising, Cure is Jin Air and trains with Rogue, sOs and Maru. But yeah, creator is jin air too, not the perfect example xd Cure can't qualify for Code S. | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Surprise! Another foreigner beat down to send you off! We'll see, you also thought Neeb will win against Serral. | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:28 Solar424 wrote: sOs' builds were always changing to the point where you can never expect what's coming, but NoRegret's generally just involve lots of Zerglings. It's mostly just a difference in the design of the two races. Also sOs is able to play quite solid macro games. Not on the level of Stats or Classic but you have to take it seriously. | ||
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Imagine the salt if Reynor had beaten Maru | ||
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But no regret can :p | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:33 yangluphil wrote: I think Serral is good enough on paper. But I don't think he has enough experience against truly good Terrans (or truly great aggressive playstyle) so Maru has massive edge here. Serral needs to practice in Korea to take his game to the next level. Foreigners play too soft. Yup. Last time he was in Korea he felt that he improved especially vs T. Now I'll be happy with a competitive series against Maru. | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:35 AUGcodon wrote: Time to see if Maru pulls out troll builds Most Maru games I've seen were complete trash to watch, bet he won't disappoint me again. | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:27 usopsama wrote: What???? The Semifinals is starting soon? I was about to go to sleep. Noooo, you have to see the Koreans smash the foreigners | ||
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edit: might not be enough even tho maru has 0 workers. | ||
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He took a game! Maybe? | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Beautiful trick. Makes me sad that terrans never pick up SCVs in their CCs and PFs when facing harass. You can't pick up in orbitals. | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Beautiful trick. Makes me sad that terrans never pick up SCVs in their CCs and PFs when facing harass. they can load only 6 SCVs | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Beautiful trick. Makes me sad that terrans never pick up SCVs in their CCs and PFs when facing harass. Unfortunately, most harass comes too late and you usually have orbitals by that time which can't pick up SCVs. As for planetaries, if they can't defend your SCVs from the harass, it probably means they're gonna die anyway | ||
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5, even. | ||
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Five. But that's when you get the capacity upgrade . | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:47 Tyrhanius wrote: if maru wins they will nerf mules, if Serral wins they will nerf nyndus Inb4 draw | ||
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then nerf raven | ||
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In that case we increase the interceptor cost by five minerals and bunker build time by three seconds. | ||
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GG | ||
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On March 17 2018 16:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I stopped watching. Were ravens actually relevant or is it all just memes Right now Maru is just massing banshees. But ravens are coming soon™. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:00 Lyyna wrote: Very polite of Serral to keep his forces stacked at all time knowing there are ravens on the field. Fighting the good fight to nerf them. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:00 Lyyna wrote: Very polite of Serral to keep his forces stacked at all time knowing there are ravens on the field. Insteae, he should split 140 army supply into 6 control groups, to prevent the problem of not being able to split vs instant ranged aoe damage. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:00 Lyyna wrote: Very polite of Serral to keep his forces stacked at all time knowing there are ravens on the field. Good of you to go for some prophylactic balance comments. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:01 Ej_ wrote: Insteae, he should split 140 army supply into 6 control groups, to prevent the problem of not being able to split vs instant ranged aoe damage. You mean, pretty much like terrans have been doing since WoLagainst fungal & storm ? It's pretty easy to split your army across a screen, and makes seeker missile utterly irrelevant. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:02 Lyyna wrote: You mean, pretty much like terrans have been doing since WoLagainst fungal & storm ? It's pretty easy to split your army across a screen, and makes seeker missile utterly irrelevant. You mean those abilities that don't deal instant damage and can be dodged? | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:02 Lyyna wrote: You mean, pretty much like terrans have been doing since WoLagainst fungal & storm ? It's pretty easy to split your army across a screen, and makes seeker missile utterly irrelevant. Yeah I know it is, Zerg players just aren't nearly as talented as Terrans splitting bio | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Good of you to go for some prophylactic balance comments. I'm not the one complaining about balance. More like complaining about the objectivity of those complaining. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote: You mean those abilities that don't deal instant damage and can be dodged? There is still a delay. And if you split before the fight, any delay is irrelevant. Exactly like, ya know, fungal in WoL :') | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:04 Lyyna wrote: There is still a delay. And if you split before the fight, any delay is irrelevant. Exactly like, ya know, fungal in WoL :') So you're resorting to comparing it to WoL fungal which was 100% broken and got nerfed as a result? Bold strategy cotton. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:04 Lyyna wrote: There is still a delay. And if you split before the fight, any delay is irrelevant. Exactly like, ya know, fungal in WoL :') The same fungal that got nerfed into the ground because TvZ was at 30%? That's actually a really good example, thanks. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:05 Ej_ wrote: The same fungal that got nerfed into the ground because TvZ was at 30%? That's actually a really good example, thanks. Except terran don't have super queens to defend freely into mass raven contrary to WoL | ||
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It's not about the spell, it's about the capacity to spread before the fight, which makes any AOE, regardless of its delay irrelevant. Talking abou the fungal nerf is hilarious tho, considering zergs dominated for... over a year ? out of that spell | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:06 Poopi wrote: Except terran don't have super queens to defend freely into mass raven contrary to WoL That's also a great point, let everyone know that Serral had 3k/2k bank vs less than 500 gas 10 minutes ago and then Maru started making ravens :D | ||
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On to game 2 | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Fusion core. Are we going to see the token battlecruisers? Yes. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:08 Parrek wrote: Regardless of balance, just like burrow fungal, and insta cast fungal, this mass raven style looks really stupid. I like the ability idea. Just nerf damage. Terran can fight late game without an insta cast 30 damage a shot bomb no they can't | ||
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I guess that's what we get for finally getting a decent lategame xD | ||
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Maru stahp | ||
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On Eastwatch you totally can. Ghosts alone dominate this map's lategame. And Maru is being incredibly cinematic. Those battlecruisers yamatoing the hatch, and mass nukes? Just sexy. | ||
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Ghost/Liberator is really strong even without the raven, not to mention the anti-armor missile is very useful whether or not it deals damage (Liberator splash against no armor is insane). | ||
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Zerg didn't get the default win in a game that went past 20 minute. Pls fix David Kim! | ||
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maru using his armor missles on lings and seral gg's | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote: On Eastwatch you totally can. Ghosts alone dominate this map's lategame. And Maru is being incredibly cinematic. Those battlecruisers yamatoing the hatch, and mass nukes? Just sexy. Ghosts get denied by fungal | ||
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gratz Maru, Serral will be your hardest zerg opponent for sure | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:10 usopsama wrote: Best game in esports history. Your bias shtick is getting pretty old | ||
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The economy (lack of gas) was what killed him in the end | ||
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Not a balance whine, but what do zergs do for AA now, with terran air seemingly stronger, and infestors and vipers weaker? I don't really understand how it works. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:10 Charoisaur wrote: this game is broken. Zerg didn't get the default win in a game that went past 20 minute. Pls fix David Kim! zerg default win with terran having ravens?? | ||
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Fungal gets denied by EMP | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:11 theunabletable wrote: As someone who hasn't played for a year or two and isn't aware of the meta, why are seeker missiles seemingly instant now? Not a balance whine, but what do zergs do for AA now, with terran air seemingly stronger, and infestors and vipers weaker? I don't really understand how it works. You try to win before there's maxed terran army with ghost and raven or you don't | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:11 theunabletable wrote: As someone who hasn't played for a year or two and isn't aware of the meta, why are seeker missiles seemingly instant now? Not a balance whine, but what do zergs do for AA now, with terran air seemingly stronger, and infestors and vipers weaker? I don't really understand how it works. The new missiles do 30 splash damage instead of 100 And Vipers have 120-damage Parasitic Bomb now. Infested Terrans shred air but are rarely used (because of hatch time) | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:11 theunabletable wrote: As someone who hasn't played for a year or two and isn't aware of the meta, why are seeker missiles seemingly instant now? Not a balance whine, but what do zergs do for AA now, with terran air seemingly stronger, and infestors and vipers weaker? I don't really understand how it works. You need to kill the terran before it happens, apparently. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:13 HolydaKing wrote: You need to kill the terran before it happens, apparently. unacceptable, it should be the other way again | ||
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Ghosts have snipe and EMP. Every single super late game TvZ on Eastwatch I've ever seen has been won by ghosts. This map's layout is just amazing for them. On normal maps it's more nuanced ofc. | ||
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Thank you for the enlightening and interesting reasons. At a pro level, Terran hasn't been completely useless in late game ever. Even in the height of HotS TvP where Terrans SCV pulled and mass dropped, there were Terrans who could legitimately fight late game. That was before we got liberators that can absolutely allow Terran to fight protoss, and we got colossus nerfed hard along with all the other changes. All the biggest things that allow other races to destroy Terran in late game got nerfed in some way. Anti armor missile stopped 8 armor ultras. Burrow fungal is gone, and now slows instead of stuns which makes it much weaker. Liberator ghost can give real area control in late game, colossus storm is nerfed hard as a style, disruptors got nerfed, tempests got nerfed a long time ago, and more. Even without the armor missile, Terran are in a better spot in late game than they have ever been. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:15 Charoisaur wrote: Ravens are way too strong, enjoy your TvT-fests! We gonna clone Maru and have him fight himself? | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:16 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: We gonna clone Maru and have him fight himself? He'd end up in a 2-rax mirror and both copies of him would somehow lose. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Your bias shtick is getting pretty old It is objectively the best game in esports history though. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:13 Charoisaur wrote: unacceptable, it should be the other way again What comp did Zerg have after burrow fungal and 8 armor ultras were nerfed that was really that way? | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:16 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: We gonna clone Maru and have him fight himself? Or maybe the terrans start using their brains and simply start playing like maru. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:17 usopsama wrote: It is objectively the best game in esports history though. Subjectively objective opinion. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:18 Waxangel wrote: so like, when there's a random crowd cheer, what game are they cheering for? CS:GO? | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:18 Waxangel wrote: so like, when there's a random crowd cheer, what game are they cheering for? Maybe someone is splitting vs a seeker on the other screen and the crowd goes insane | ||
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I disagree. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:17 Parrek wrote: What comp did Zerg have after burrow fungal and 8 armor ultras were nerfed that was really that way? Broodlord Infestor Viper | ||
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ok, objectively subjective opinion. | ||
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That was never unstoppable? And really, with all the changes to the viper and infestor, I haven't seen that comp be unstoppable in a long time | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:24 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Solid play from Maru. His transition timings are fantastic too. Gone are the days where Maru just went marine/marauder forever or died trying. He did it vs Nerchio on this map yesterday. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:23 Parrek wrote: That was never unstoppable? And really, with all the changes to the viper and infestor, I haven't seen that comp be unstoppable in a long time Vipers are still kinda bullshit with 120 damage parasitic bomb. | ||
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Did he? Hmm... Well I said those days were gone, maybe they've just gone recently. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Did he? Hmm... Well I said those days were gone, maybe they've just gone recently. 10 min of rallying marauder/marine/marine on 58 SCVs | ||
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He wants the triple crown of beating Serral lategame, beating Serral midgame, and beating Serral earlygame | ||
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Maru vs Dark final, HYPE | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:25 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Vipers are still kinda bullshit with 120 damage parasitic bomb. They also don't stack and deal that damage over like 10 seconds. If they were the original design where they stacked and dealt fast damage I'd agree. That was pretty bullshit, but that's exactly what Terran has right now which is why the current raven needs some sort of nerf to the missile. Maybe a damage nerf or an energy cost increase or something. Even a delay increase would be fine so it works like a specialized seeker missile | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:28 Parrek wrote: They also don't stack and deal that damage over like 10 seconds. If they were the original design where they stacked and dealt fast damage I'd agree. That was pretty bullshit, but that's exactly what Terran has right now which is why the current raven needs some sort of nerf to the missile. Maybe a damage nerf or an energy cost increase or something. Even a delay increase would be fine so it works like a specialized seeker missile Who needs stacking when they nearly one shot the vikings anyways. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:26 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Proxy rax to end it now proxy at home | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:28 Parrek wrote: They also don't stack and deal that damage over like 10 seconds. If they were the original design where they stacked and dealt fast damage I'd agree. That was pretty bullshit, but that's exactly what Terran has right now which is why the current raven needs some sort of nerf to the missile. Maybe a damage nerf or an energy cost increase or something. Even a delay increase would be fine so it works like a specialized seeker missile Without AAM as a counterweight, Vipers are complete bullshit since they demolish Vikings Ravens though are the counter-bullshit on the Terran side. In an ideal world both would be nerfed heavily | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Who needs stacking when they nearly one shot the vikings anyways. Again. Over like 10 seconds. That ability is also expensive and the Vikings can be repaired since as you said, it only nearly one shots | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:32 Parrek wrote: Again. Over like 10 seconds. That ability is also expensive and the Vikings can be repaired since as you said, it only nearly one shots 5 health means anything else oneshots them and good luck beating BLs without AA. Pulling them back to repair removes them from the battle, and good luck beating BLs without AA PB is bullshit, just because AAm is also bullshit doesn't excuse PB | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:32 Ej_ wrote: I had no idea that there was a reaper path at the 3rd. Didn't they add it recently? Along with making Abiogenesis really ugly, and doubling the LOS blockers at the third on Blackpink. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Didn't they add it recently? Along with making Abiogenesis really ugly, and doubling the LOS blockers at the third on Blackpink. Well I vetoed Abiogenesis after yet another immortal PvZ so I can't speak about that. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:29 Ej_ wrote: Nice, another raven map Without raven Serral wouldn't have lose 12 drones in early game | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:34 Ziggy wrote: And to think Maru used to be one of the cheesiest players on the scene back before he won that OSL in 2013... Amazing play :o He's all grown up now, and so is his playstyle | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Didn't they add it recently? Along with making Abiogenesis really ugly, and doubling the LOS blockers at the third on Blackpink. Fun fact : they made Abiogenesis ugly because apparently, you could see a swastika before. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:34 Ej_ wrote: Well I vetoed Abiogenesis after yet another immortal PvZ so I can't speak about that. Protoss can survive long enough to get an immortal on Abiogenesis? | ||
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What a great map. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:35 Ej_ wrote: 4 bases off 1 banshee and 1 tank What a great map. You forgot the medivac with hellions | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:35 Ej_ wrote: 4 bases off 1 banshee and 1 tank What a great map. Next season we're getting 16-bit to make sure we have a map with three bases behind a choke in the pool. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:36 Waxangel wrote: Was it really necessary to go spooky mech again D: He's sending a message to the balance team | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Next season we're getting 16-bit to make sure we have a map with three bases behind a choke in the pool. Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me. Almost forgot to call the voters fucking idiots. User was warned for this post | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Next season we're getting 16-bit to make sure we have a map with three bases behind a choke in the pool. wooo inbase naturals... or 3rds, doesn't make much of a difference. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:34 Durnuu wrote: Fun fact : they made Abiogenesis ugly because apparently, you could see a swastika before. And they added the extra LOS blockers because of that one video where the reaper sits on the blocker and can't get seen by tanks. Though tbh it changes nothing and carefully placed units could still avoid getting seen and shot at. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Didn't they add it recently? Along with making Abiogenesis really ugly, and doubling the LOS blockers at the third on Blackpink. no it was always there | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:41 Waxangel wrote: Maru's like "Fuck it, I'm grabbing the $200,000. I don't give a shit what Blizzard does in terms of balancing patching after that." It's what I'd do tbh | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Next season we're getting 16-bit to make sure we have a map with three bases behind a choke in the pool. at least those bases are vulnerable to drop play to balance it out | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:34 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: The gap is so wide open it's kind of embarrassing for all involved right now You're probably mainly memeing, but it's really impressive how forgetful some people really are with what the gap used to be. The old gap was where a 2-1-1 build just walks across the map and cripples almost every foreign opponent immediately | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:41 Waxangel wrote: Maru's like "Fuck it, I'm grabbing the $200,000. I don't give a shit what Blizzard does in terms of balance patching after that." I can't think of a smarter moove. I really like seeing filhty zerg getting obliterated with raven missiles. I hope it stays like that for 6 months, so protoss and zerg pay for their sins. | ||
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That's the traditional way for Zergs to break turtle mech. I haven't seen much of them since 4.0, was the movement speed nerf that big of a deal? | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:43 Mun_Su wrote: I can't think of a smarter moove. I really like seeing filhty zerg getting obliterated with raven missiles. I hope it stays like that for 6 months, so protoss and zerg pay for their sins. Amen, brother! | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:42 Charoisaur wrote: at least those bases are vulnerable to drop play to balance it out Because Vaani and Acolyte were gems of mapmaking and balance. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:43 pvsnp wrote: Just theorycrafting, but what about SH? That's the traditional way for Zergs to break turtle mech. I haven't seen much of them since 4.0, was the movement speed nerf that big of a deal? Yeah, also vipers just stomps regular mech really hard anyways. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Because Vaani and Acolyte were gems of mapmaking and balance. Wasn't Vaani one of the most liked maps in HotS. At least pros really liked playing on it | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:46 Charoisaur wrote: Wasn't Vaani one of the most liked maps in HotS. At least pros really liked playing on it It wasn't but Vaani did inbase naturals somewhat right by : - Having the 3rd not on high ground (hello Dusk Towers/Orbital Shipyard) - Having the 3rd somewhat open and not behind a single choke (hello every single inbase natural map in LotV). - 4th+ bases were harder to take overall, and they wasn't as many of them. Last but not least, the gold bases offered some strategies (for Zerg mainly though obviously). Still wasn't a great map. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:47 Heartland wrote: That fight was a bit gross. "Let's fix instant fights that end the game in 5 seconds" Terrans: Yeah! Great idea! Nerf everything! Blizzard wants to nerf missile Terrans: No! My 5 second fight victories!!! How could I win otherwise???? | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Because Vaani and Acolyte were gems of mapmaking and balance. Don't bundle in Vaani with complete trash. | ||
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Apologies. Vaani was merely mediocre. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:50 Ej_ wrote: lmao here's your splitting vs seeker, all hydras painted orange :D and fight won by the zerg despite excellent start for the terran, and superior tech with BC | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:51 Mun_Su wrote: and fight won by the zerg despite excellent start for the terran, and superior tech with BCSuperior tech? BC ain't very good Gogo Serral destroy that boy | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:51 Mun_Su wrote: and fight won by the zerg despite excellent start for the terran, and superior tech with BCbecause maru had a lot of fun toying around | ||
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Never expected. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:52 Waxangel wrote: Maru thinks he's fucking Flash He thinks he's TY but I have doubts. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:52 Poopi wrote: Superior tech? BC ain't very good Gogo Serral destroy that boy But people are saying that raven are autowin, so raven ghost viking BC must be superior to whatever a zerg have. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:52 Waxangel wrote: Maru thinks he's fucking Flash It was FanTaSy who went mech into bio in SC2! unless there's some BW TvP I'm not aware of ;o | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote: 12 barracks? lol. Maru isn't even worried and not even close to be done trolling. Well he's kinda worried about his gas so the rax are kinda valid. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:54 Ej_ wrote: Scrambler missile! Is absolutely not what that ability is called. | ||
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Just.......damn | ||
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Rip | ||
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As expected. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:55 sirax067 wrote: Did Maru make every single Terran unit that game? Did he make Cyclones or mines? | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:55 LongShot27 wrote: Serral was pissing his pants scared against maru. 3 games and he essentially never attacked. Essentially never indeed. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:55 sirax067 wrote: Did Maru make every single Terran unit that game? no Cyclon nor WM | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:57 Charoisaur wrote: Maru is just the greatest player, nobody else would attempt to troll a top tier Zerg in the semifinals of a 200k tournament Life would, rip in peace | ||
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for all it's supposed to benefit, damn. | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote: This wasn't even a game of Starcraft. This was a screenplay directed, acted, and produced by Maru. I dunno with all those nukes and missile explosions I think Micheal Bay had to have directed and produced it at least. | ||
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Life manner hatched Naniwa in 2 or 3 games in IEM New York finals. Oh and then beat Maru hangover in other IEM finals :D | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:58 pvsnp wrote: Usopsama is dead from the serotonin overdose of that game A man can only take so much from a foreigner hype stomp like that | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:57 Charoisaur wrote: Maru is just the greatest player, nobody else would attempt to troll a top tier Zerg in the semifinals of a 200k tournament Trolling? These are 100% legitimate strategies | ||
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On March 17 2018 17:57 Morbidius wrote: That moment when you're not sure if Maru is playing legit or disrespecting Serral. not sure if disrespect or just having fun but the 9 nukes at a time were definitely trolling. The bio switch might have been the best choice there, as weird as it sounds | ||
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Maru: "I AM THE GAP" | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:00 Charoisaur wrote: not sure if disrespect or just having fun but the 9 nukes at a time were definitely trolling. The bio switch might have been the best choice there, as weird as it sounds The bio switch was 50% disrespect, 50% what he needed to do | ||
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this last game really reminded me of MMA toying with Stephano at IPL. The foreign zerg hope getting torn apart by nukes by a sick korean terran | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:00 Charoisaur wrote: not sure if disrespect or just having fun but the 9 nukes at a time were definitely trolling. The bio switch might have been the best choice there, as weird as it sounds The nukes did pretty well though, it's probably not so bad if you have such a huge economy that is uncontested. | ||
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He would probably even 'give' away a map | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:00 pvsnp wrote: Foreigners: "Get hype the gap is closing!" Maru: "I AM THE GAP" Serral: "not yet" Maru: "it's treason then" | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Was the gap ever bigger than right now, on this day? Maru isn't even the best player in Korea or anything. He is top 5 at least imo | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Was the gap ever bigger than right now, on this day? Maru isn't even the best player in Korea or anything. the KR player pool is tiny, just the top 5-10 koreans are untouchable. Will not last long unfortunately... | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:04 Charoisaur wrote: Serral: "not yet" Maru: "it's treason then" "It's over Serral, I have stim!" | ||
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Can't imagine how tilting that game must've been for Serral | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:01 HolydaKing wrote: The nukes did pretty well though, it's probably not so bad if you have such a huge economy that is uncontested. it almost lost him the game as he was out of gas once his army got killed. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:05 pvsnp wrote: Serral was behind for most of that game but not thatfar behind. A lot of the moves Maru was making weren't cost-efficient but they just wore Serral down psychologically. Can't imagine how tilting that game must've been for Serral He was basically lost as soon as he lost that dozen drones to the hellions early on. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:05 pvsnp wrote: Serral was behind for most of that game but not thatfar behind. A lot of the moves Maru was making weren't cost-efficient but they just wore Serral down psychologically. Can't imagine how tilting that game must've been for Serral He was very far behind. Losing 12 drones (when you have 40) while your opponent is making 4 CCs off of 1/1/1 is just terrible. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:00 Charoisaur wrote: not sure if disrespect or just having fun but the 9 nukes at a time were definitely trolling. The bio switch might have been the best choice there, as weird as it sounds it sounds like "Oh shit, i've trolled too much with my nukes, almost no gas anymore, need to get a gas free comp asap" | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Was the gap ever bigger than right now, on this day? Maru isn't even the best player in Korea or anything. Idk, I think you could argue for Maru being the best in Korea. He's been top 4 in this, IEM, and GSL. Maybe Classic or Rogue are above him | ||
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The only reason Maru won is because of R A V E N S. User was warned for this post. | ||
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"The Fourth Race of SC2 is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural." | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On March 17 2018 18:08 ihatevideogames wrote: There is no gap. The only reason Maru won is because of R A V E N S. You do realize that no one's forcing you to mention ravens in every single post you make? | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote: You do realize that no one's forcing you to mention ravens in every single post you make? The game does. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:10 Elentos wrote: Monday Community Feedback Update: "Ok guys we reconsidered ravens are done, also gonna nerf the 25 minute stim timing" "from now on terrans can only have 1 available nuke at a time" | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:13 HolydaKing wrote: Ravens are basically tanks for air and ground in the terran late game. so they suck against both? | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:13 HolydaKing wrote: Ravens are basically tanks for air and ground in the terran late game. Basically more expensive flying templars Blizzard team: "New upgrade - make high templars fly" | ||
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Unless massed, sure. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:17 Elentos wrote: Shame most of this tournament took place at an impossible time for EU Yeah, just got up, tuned in and heard them talking about how many nukes maru used | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:18 Heartland wrote: So the semis are tomorrow? This is the 2nd semi you balloon. | ||
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Oh, I thought we were in quarters and Neeb/Scarlett played before this. Thanks. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:18 DBooN wrote: Yeah, just got up, tuned in and heard them talking about how many nukes maru used it's saturday, go to bed early so you're rested and then wake up early | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:19 Charoisaur wrote: it's saturday, go to bed early so you're rested and then wake up early Some people who get up at 5 all week for work enjoy not getting up at 5 on weekends. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:20 Morbidius wrote: Ill place all the blame on TLMC for voting in more and more "free 4 bases NR20 maps" for this kind of shit. CJ Biome was considered a joke map when it released and it was for a good reason. The puzzling bit is that Eastwatch was technically a 'standard' map and not a 'macro' map. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:21 Elentos wrote: Some people who get up at 5 all week for work enjoy not getting up at 5 on weekends. I do exactly this but still have the passion to get up early to watch sc2 | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:20 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What's with that natural wall-off for Classic? Sure it allows archons to go through, but it's also an invitation for lings. Honestly, for most of LotV I remember Classic having hideous walls at his natural. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:21 Elentos wrote: Some people who get up at 5 all week for work enjoy not getting up at 5 on weekends. Just stay up all night obviously | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote: The puzzling bit is that Eastwatch was technically a 'standard' map and not a 'macro' map. The maps just keep getting bigger man. Give it 2 more years and all maps will be no rush 20 because that's how long you need to get across from natural to natural. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:23 Charoisaur wrote: I do exactly this but still have the passion to get up early to watch sc2 And I have enough passion that I don't break a bone if I can only catch a VOD. But honestly the time zone clearly hurt viewership. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:24 Elentos wrote: The maps just keep getting bigger man. Give it 2 more years and all maps will be no rush 20 because that's how long you need to get across from natural to natural. Despite the maps in TLMC10 being rather meh, I do think they are rather more moderate in size than the previous two TLMCs. For example Fracture a 'standard' map is basically a rush map. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Despite the maps in TLMC10 being rather meh, I do think they are rather more moderate in size than the previous two TLMCs. For example Fracture a 'standard' map is basically a rush map. Kinda true. Although this TLMC has a terrible top 5 so that's what's gonna hit us on ladder in 2 months. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:27 Elentos wrote: Kinda true. Although this TLMC has a terrible top 5 so that's what's gonna hit us on ladder in 2 months. I only hope that Blizzard in its infinite wisdom mostly ignores the public voting. 16-bit being on a ladder is unfortunately kind of a given unfortunately, but if Blizzard doesn't put Dreamcatcher in the pool, and also avoids putting both Catalyst and Blueshift in the same map pool, I think it could be okay. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I only hope that Blizzard in its infinite wisdom mostly ignores the public voting. 16-bit being on a ladder is unfortunately kind of a given unfortunately, but if Blizzard doesn't put Dreamcatcher in the pool, and also avoids putting both Catalyst and Blueshift in the same map pool, I think it could be okay. And that's the first veto. How much further down the deep end will we go? | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I only hope that Blizzard in its infinite wisdom mostly ignores the public voting. 16-bit being on a ladder is unfortunately kind of a given unfortunately, but if Blizzard doesn't put Dreamcatcher in the pool, and also avoids putting both Catalyst and Blueshift in the same map pool, I think it could be okay. Catalyst will be gone anyway as they usually don't keep a map in for 3 seasons | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:32 Charoisaur wrote: Catalyst will be gone anyway as they usually don't keep a map in for 3 seasons If Abyssal Reef of all maps stayed so long, I'm afraid Catalyst is gonna stay too. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:32 Charoisaur wrote: Catalyst will be gone anyway as they usually don't keep a map in for 3 seasons They keep popular maps for very long times. Abyssal Reef was on ladder for almost exactly a year. And Catalyst is popular, cause it's perfectly standard. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:33 yht9657 wrote: This ZvP meta is abusing the weaknesses in Protoss anti-air and detection so hard. Can't protoss make 3 or 4 phoenix ? | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:31 Elentos wrote: And that's the first veto. How much further down the deep end will we go? Here's a somewhat likely scenario that isn't totally awful: Acid Plant, Neon Violet, Blackpink, 16-bit, Blueshift, Lost and Found, Fracture. Here's a somewhat likely scenario that is rather awful: Backwater, Catalyst, Eastwatch, 16-bit, Dreamcatcher, Backpfeifengesicht (renamed to Korhal Station), Blueshift | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Here's a somewhat likely scenario that isn't awful: Acid Plant, Neon Violet, Blackpink, 16-bit, Blueshift, Lost and Found, Fracture. Here's a somewhat likely scenario that is rather awful: Backwater, Catalyst, Eastwatch, 16-bit, Dreamcatcher, Backpfeifengesicht (renamed to Korhal Station), Blueshift Dreamcatcher is a good map though, at least for once it doesn't have free 4+ bases. You actually have to work to get your bases. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:37 Durnuu wrote: Dreamcatcher is a good map though, at least for once it doesn't have free 4+ bases. You actually have to work to get your bases. The impression I got is that it was all about abusive drops. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Here's a somewhat likely scenario that isn't totally awful: Acid Plant, Neon Violet, Blackpink, 16-bit, Blueshift, Lost and Found, Fracture. Idk, Neon Violet Squares can go fuck off too. And I don't like Fracture. Honestly I'm surprised how low Para Site ended cause that one actually played out well. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:38 Elentos wrote: Idk, Neon Violet Squares can go fuck off too. And I don't like Fracture. Honestly I'm surprised how low Para Site ended cause that one actually played out well. Most of the voters didn't watch any games and voted based on looks rather than layout, and Para Site isn't the most attractive. And I think Blizzard will keep three old maps, so Neon Violet would be one of the least harmful ones. Though I can see pros being happy about having two nearly identical maps in Catalyst and Blueshift in the pool. I remember Snute saying that he wouldn't mind having maps like New Boralis in the same pool as Daybreak/Overgrowth. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:41 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Most of the voters didn't watch any games and voted based on looks rather than layout, and Para Site isn't the most attractive. And I think Blizzard will keep three old maps, so Neon Violet would be one of the least harmful ones. Neon plays out just as bad as Backwater at least for the Terran match-ups honestly, we're lucky that the pocket isn't a full base. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:43 Elentos wrote: Neon plays out just as bad as Backwater at least for the Terran match-ups honestly, we're lucky that the pocket isn't a full base. Oh yeah I remember the original version of Neon Violet where the back base was 6 min 1 gas, and had the purple squares in front of it which meant ultras kept on getting trapped there. | ||
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Lurkers are really good to get here. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:48 Ej_ wrote: I'm ashamed to admit that I've played this game on the ladder. Lurkers are really good to get here. Especially since he has hive, he can get the upgrade | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:48 Ej_ wrote: I'm ashamed to admit that I've played this game on the ladder. Lurkers are really good to get here. You've played all of these weird games. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote: This is the one PvZ where building colossi is not an unequivocal mistake. It's an underrated unit. | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Swarm hosts : almost as useless as mutas I mean, if he had won this game, they'd need to get nerfed again lol | ||
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Not because I think that's way better, I just wanted to see this again | ||
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On March 17 2018 18:58 Elentos wrote: Dark was like "Hey this kills every Terran, I wonder if it works against Protoss..." Can't wait for the soO vs Dark GSL finals now. | ||
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Only ravens can save us from that. | ||
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Can't lose to ravens if you stop at ravager tech every game. | ||
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I like how we're all discounting the possibility Stats might win | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:00 Elentos wrote: I like how we're all discounting the possibility Stats might win Who? | ||
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jarodtou
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Also, hope for a Serral Classic rematch and a TvZ final. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On March 17 2018 19:00 Elentos wrote: I like how we're all discounting the possibility Stats might win soO losing in the semis? Never. Stats has only been predicted to be eliminated every single round so far, so he's overdue. | ||
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Well actually I wanna see the Serral vs Classic rematch..... | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:03 pvsnp wrote: Wait the 3rd place match is after this? Fuck that man, my passion has limits Don't worry, it'll be a quick 3-0 | ||
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User was warned for this post. | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote: soO losing in the semis? Never. Stats has only been predicted to be eliminated every single round so far, so he's overdue. Sounds like a miracle in the making | ||
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I still don't believe that Serral is actually a good player now. | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:04 Heartland wrote: I still don't believe that Serral is actually a good player now. He certainly isn't anymore after the trauma of that series against Maru. | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:05 ZigguratOfUr wrote: He certainly isn't anymore after the trauma of that series against Maru. Serral's spending all his prize money on a therapist | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:06 Heartland wrote: Did those HTs actually kill stuff? No | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:07 pvsnp wrote: Serral's spending all his prize money on a therapist It's Europe bruh | ||
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Spending his money on a rifle to go reindeer hunting. | ||
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He needs a lot of therapy | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:01 jarodtou wrote: yey, terran in final after such a long time, amazing games, gg Maru (I know I`m late for this comment but game 1 and 3 from Serral vs Maru were really high level, both players played really well. I guess Maru really is in his peak form. Also, hope for a Serral Classic rematch and a TvZ final. I have this theory that this is a time loop and it's 2016 all over again. TY is the best Terran against Protoss, Maru is the best against Zerg and in TvT they're just about even, and in the 2nd half of the year ByuN will find something incredibly broken to micro the hell out of and become relevant again. | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:08 Elentos wrote: I have this theory that this is a time loop and it's 2016 all over again. TY is the best Terran against Protoss, Maru is the best against Zerg and in TvT they're just about even, and in the 2nd half of the year ByuN will find something incredible broken to micro the hell out of and become relevant again. So the only question that remains is whether INnoVation is playing LoL, Overwatch or PUBG | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:08 Durnuu wrote: By the way guys, Finland is the happiest country on earth. Serral might bring that rank down though. More than Luolis after playing any amount of SC2 games? | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:08 Elentos wrote: I have this theory that this is a time loop and it's 2016 all over again. TY is the best Terran against Protoss, Maru is the best against Zerg and in TvT they're just about even, and in the 2nd half of the year ByuN will find something incredible broken to micro the hell out of and become relevant again. Proleague? T_T | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:09 Durnuu wrote: So the only question that remains is whether INnoVation is playing LoL, Overwatch or PUBG It was definitely LoL before Katowice. | ||
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Trash doesn't make GSL Ro8. Wait... The Terrans are definitely back to that status quo. | ||
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pvsnp
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On March 17 2018 19:08 Elentos wrote: I have this theory that this is a time loop and it's 2016 all over again. TY is the best Terran against Protoss, Maru is the best against Zerg and in TvT they're just about even, and in the 2nd half of the year ByuN will find something incredible broken to micro the hell out of and become relevant again. Proleague? T_T | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:08 Durnuu wrote: By the way guys, Finland is the happiest country on earth. Serral might bring that rank down though. Doesn't Finland have some of the highest depression rates in the world, and some pretty high suicide rates? | ||
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SSL? ;; | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Doesn't Finland have some of the highest depression rates in the world, and some pretty high suicide rates? [Redacted for poor taste] | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Doesn't Finland have some of the highest depression rates in the world, and some pretty high suicide rates? Idk, but the UN said it's the happiest country in the world. | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Doesn't Finland have some of the highest depression rates in the world, and some pretty high suicide rates? That's Norway I believe. Don't be racist. | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Doesn't Finland have some of the highest depression rates in the world, and some pretty high suicide rates? Isn't that Norway | ||
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Poor Snute | ||
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I'd be depressed if I were Snute too, having to share the only Nordic spot with Serral. | ||
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Snute doesn't get depressed, when he's feeling down he starts to DANCE | ||
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Will Dark at least buy him dinner this time? | ||
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I looked it up. Suicide rates: 9.3 per 100,000 for Norway 14.2 per 100,000 for Finland Age-standardised disability-adjusted life year of unipolar depression rates: 996.780 for Norway 1344.13 for Finland | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:16 DBooN wrote: Trap > Classic But then Serral > Trap & Classic > Serral. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:16 arkedos wrote: Wohoooo TvZ grand final. That should be great :D Depends. Do you enjoy ravager/ling all-ins? | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:04 Heartland wrote: I still don't believe that Serral is actually a good player now. He has always been trash. It's a fact. Just ask neeb. | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:18 Charoisaur wrote: Feels good to hear Rapid casting again He does cast the Ballistix Brawl every week if you want to listen to more of his casting. | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:19 ZigguratOfUr wrote: He does cast the Ballistix Brawl every week if you want to listen to more of his casting. I've also heard that Charoisaur has enough passion to wake up at 5am any time to watch Starcraft, so it's all perfect. | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:21 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Classic 3-0 expecting some juicy gap width comments | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:22 Heartland wrote: Oh yeah, thid place decider For 20 thousand dollars. That's 2 dreamhack wins. | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:23 Ej_ wrote: For 20 thousand dollars. That's 2 dreamhack wins. TaeJa is spinning in his grave. The younguns these days get all this money for not winning, he won a dozen tournaments all for 10k each. | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:23 Ej_ wrote: For 20 thousand dollars. That's 2 dreamhack wins. Real dollars and not made up ones? | ||
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Real dollars, Alibaba pays out. | ||
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Durnuu
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I haven't seen complaints about last year's edition so probably real dollaridoos | ||
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It's just peanuts for them, really. | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:31 jarodtou wrote: the finals are also today? 3rd place should have been tomorrow. I kinda don`t want to wake up tomorrow at 6.am for the finals.. Only finals tomorrow in 15 and a half hours. :I | ||
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Not even that, Alibaba's revenue was $23.82 billion USD in 2017 WESG prizepools are barely a rounding error | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I looked it up. Suicide rates: 9.3 per 100,000 for Norway 14.2 per 100,000 for Finland Age-standardised disability-adjusted life year of unipolar depression rates: 996.780 for Norway 1344.13 for Finland And 9.3 is ranked 102 in the world. Quite far from "pretty high". Finland is 35th. 996.780 is 70th. Finland is quite high at 11th. | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:42 Azhrak wrote: There are 3 Koreans in this tournament. Serral's mission is to not let them take all the top 3 spots on the podium. Go Serral! All foreigners trying to give all their powers to Joona. | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:49 Ej_ wrote: Bop. Gap. | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:52 Charoisaur wrote: How much MMR do you need to win vs a korean? 10k korean mmr which is about 15k foreigner mmr | ||
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their brains have been cooked in the semis? | ||
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On March 17 2018 20:08 Durnuu wrote: The gap tho Quick, go rewatch Maru vs Serral Game 3! | ||
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Also: that picture with all foreigners empowering Serral, almost shad a tear ) | ||
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"Quick" | ||
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On March 17 2018 20:10 jarodtou wrote: finally Serral beats Classic in a game. A bit upset, because I really think Serral is a really good player (worldwide, not just EU or so) but he loses to top koreans. I mean he is so good, but he just manages to get to play against the best, nothing to get demoralized if you lose to Dark/Maru/Classic.. really now. most of the koreans do lose to those players. And getting 1st place, 4th place, 3-4th place in every tournament you enter, with or without koreans, beeeing first with a big advantage of MMR worldwide and beeing first in aligulac is really impresive. Also: that picture with all foreigners empowering Serral, almost shad a tear )He's just not very good at ZvT, he could win vs Classic and would have had a fair shot against Dark. | ||
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On March 17 2018 19:45 D-light wrote: All foreigners trying to give all their powers to Joona. https://twitter.com/kenzi131/status/974949869864366081 without Neebs power it wont be enough | ||
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On March 17 2018 20:10 jarodtou wrote: finally Serral beats Classic in a game. A bit upset, because I really think Serral is a really good player (worldwide, not just EU or so) but he loses to top koreans. I mean he is so good, but he just manages to get to play against the best, nothing to get demoralized if you lose to Dark/Maru/Classic.. really now. most of the koreans do lose to those players. And getting 1st place, 4th place, 3-4th place in every tournament you enter, with or without koreans, beeeing first with a big advantage of MMR worldwide and beeing first in aligulac is really impresive. Also: that picture with all foreigners empowering Serral, almost shad a tear )More practice in Korea would be beneficial. Especially helped out with vT last time, and one could imagine that it might be a bit of a longer trip this year. Can only do so much with foreignerland practice. | ||
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On March 17 2018 20:20 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: This match is worth 20k jeez Classic isn't trying to lose, if that's what you mean. | ||
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On March 17 2018 20:20 arkedos wrote: okay classic put off the jacket, serious plays incoming :D Didn't help Serral in the third game against Maru. | ||
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On March 17 2018 20:22 D-light wrote: Didn't help Serral in the third game against Maru. Maru had ravens, the memes were with him. Raven memes > jacket memes | ||
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On March 17 2018 20:23 pvsnp wrote: Maru had ravens, the memes were with him. Raven memes > jacket memes Happy 5000! | ||
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On March 17 2018 20:23 GrandTerran wrote: Classic’s korean passport going to get canceled if he doesnt win this Indeed, people were like "Maru isn't even a top korean and 3-0's Serral. Gap bigger than ever". | ||
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On March 17 2018 20:23 pvsnp wrote: Maru had ravens, the memes were with him. Raven memes > jacket memes Touché | ||
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On March 17 2018 20:25 HolydaKing wrote: Indeed, people were like "Maru isn't even a top korean and 3-0's Serral. Gap bigger than ever". But then again Maru is a top korean, I mean he made it to the ro4 in GSL Code S so you have to be top notch. | ||
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On March 17 2018 20:26 arkedos wrote: But then again Maru is a top korean, I mean he made it to the ro4 in GSL Code S so you have to be top notch. Of course, right now he's most probably the best Terran for what it's worth. | ||
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On March 17 2018 20:46 Heartland wrote: He killed a General? :O He got left behind on the bottom middle base early on. | ||
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On March 17 2018 20:47 jarodtou wrote: I think stephanos zvp endgame is much better, he uses spellcasters and makes lots of spores vs this composition, a bit affraid for serral He also plays versus much much much weaker players. | ||
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CruelZeratul
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Zephyp
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Serral might need to babyshit his hatcheries. | ||
Olli
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On March 17 2018 20:51 Inflicted wrote: Classic basically wasted his entire army to kill a bunch of spores That's what PvZ lategame is | ||
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Heartland
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On March 17 2018 20:46 D-light wrote: He got left behind on the bottom middle base early on. I bet he got set up by his own troops | ||
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Durnuu
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Doesn't help that the map is Eastwatch where Zerg can just transfer drones over 10 different bases that are on opposite sides of the map. | ||
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Zephyp
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Ej_
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On March 17 2018 20:57 CruelZeratul wrote: Airtoss may be strong, but no expanding and just poking don't win the game. Can't expand on this map, Zerg just runs circles around you while sporing up the middle. | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On March 17 2018 20:57 CruelZeratul wrote: Airtoss may be strong, but no expanding and just poking don't win the game. Serral kept denying the bases and they're too far away for Classic's slow army to defend. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On March 17 2018 20:57 CruelZeratul wrote: Airtoss may be strong, but no expanding and just poking don't win the game. To be fair, he tried to expand a lot of times. He just didn't manage to defend those expansions. Serral was awesome at macroing, he had several overlord drops with lurkers and multi attacks with whose he denied his expanding. | ||
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rotta
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D-light
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jarodtou
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On March 17 2018 20:56 Ej_ wrote: RIP Classic's legend. I think after Rogue, Dark and Serral, Classic may start to be in a slump, and his legend dies even before it was reborn, favourite for GSL, IEM, Wesg, went far but won none. | ||
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nimbim
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VanCaspel
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I will add the finals tomorrow, same link. | ||
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yanlend
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blooblooblahblah
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Charoisaur
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Azhrak
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On March 17 2018 21:04 Charoisaur wrote: ZvP looks slightly Zerg favored. Not just judging from this series Don't let that distract you from the fact that the raven is bullshit. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15883 Posts
On March 17 2018 21:09 D-light wrote: Don't let that distract you from the fact that the raven is bullshit. They are for sure. Kinda boring to see only TvTs because Ravens are so powerful | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On March 17 2018 21:14 Charoisaur wrote: They are for sure. Kinda boring to see only TvTs because Ravens are so powerful Just wait till everyone start playing like Maru. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33227 Posts
DON'T BE SO DEMANDING GUYS | ||
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Nerchio
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sneakyfox
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JustPassingBy
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jarodtou
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On March 17 2018 21:48 sneakyfox wrote: Was Classic on full tilt after another disappointing loss in a premier, or was Serral just that good? I guess a combination of both, but Serral was also unhappy with the defeat after Maru.. | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
On March 17 2018 21:04 Charoisaur wrote: ZvP looks slightly Zerg favored. Not just judging from this series Slightly? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 17 2018 21:26 D-light wrote: Just wait till everyone start playing like Maru. Yeah guys, just play like maru | ||
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AgonySC
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
I've seen games on his stream where he tries to nuke rush lower level players and completely fails. Then he'll just make a bunch of marines and roll them right after. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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Hephaistas89
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Winrates at top tournaments are pretty even | ||
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raff100
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On March 17 2018 22:58 Hephaistas89 wrote: Winrates at top tournaments are pretty even Using the sample of GSL, IEM PyeongChang, WCS Leipzig (Group Stage 3 + Playoffs), IEM Katowice (Group Stage + Playoffs), and WESG (Group Stage 2 + Playoffs) and excluding Korean wins over non-Koreans, my quick math says Zerg has a win rate of 30-19 which is 61.2%. | ||
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
On March 17 2018 23:41 Boggyb wrote: Using the sample of GSL, IEM PyeongChang, WCS Leipzig (Group Stage 3 + Playoffs), IEM Katowice (Group Stage + Playoffs), and WESG (Group Stage 2 + Playoffs) and excluding Korean wins over non-Koreans, my quick math says Zerg has a win rate of 30-19 which is 61.2%. What a random exclusion. You exclude one way but not the other? It's like a worse version of saying "excluding all matches where Aligulac differs by >239 pts" or something equally arbitrary. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
Top tournaments pick one | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On March 17 2018 23:47 Kalera wrote: What a random exclusion. You exclude one way but not the other? It's like a worse version of saying "excluding all matches where Aligulac differs by >239 pts" or something equally arbitrary. Do you think results like sOs and Dear beating SortOf or Zest beating Stephano say anything about balance? Do you think results like Scarlett (The Queen of PatchZergs) beating Zest (a multiple GSL winner) and sOs (a multiple world champion) don't? | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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dunno who wins the series, but maru made late game look broken for terran. honestly just seemed unfair. just slowly creep across the map with spread out static defense, and then trade cost effectively because your spellcasters beat their spellcasters. obviously im selling short how much skill maru played with, but it didn't seem like serral was not on his level. | ||
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SnowfaLL
Canada730 Posts
On March 18 2018 00:05 travis wrote: just watched game 1 maru vs serral dunno who wins the series, but maru made late game look broken for terran. honestly just seemed unfair. just slowly creep across the map with spread out static defense, and then trade cost effectively because your spellcasters beat their spellcasters. obviously im selling short how much skill maru played with, but it didn't seem like serral was not on his level. There is something to be said about "ultra-aggressive" players like Maru (my fav terran from the beginning) and the old toss's like MC and PartinG. The way they impose their will on their opponents unlike anyone else, is impressive and looks OP despite no one else being able to do what they do. Not to mention all 3 are micro gods, that probably plays a big part of it as opposed to the "sit-back-and-defend" guys. I'm hoping PartinG gets back in shape and becomes the savior us Protoss need to win these days.. clearly Classic is letting us down =[ | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On March 17 2018 22:16 AgonySC wrote: Always a happy day when Koreans win. No matter how many advantages Blizzard gives foreigners, talent always prevails. First, I think that this sort of post on TL is just really toxic and unfair towards the foreigners, especially the top foreigners. And second, did you miss the part where Classic lost to Serral? | ||
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JeSuisSuarez
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On March 17 2018 23:41 Boggyb wrote: Using the sample of GSL, IEM PyeongChang, WCS Leipzig (Group Stage 3 + Playoffs), IEM Katowice (Group Stage + Playoffs), and WESG (Group Stage 2 + Playoffs) and excluding Korean wins over non-Koreans, my quick math says Zerg has a win rate of 30-19 which is 61.2%. This right here! The matchup is pretty broken right now. | ||
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Boggyb
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On March 18 2018 00:27 FrkFrJss wrote: First, I think that this sort of post on TL is just really toxic and unfair towards the foreigners, especially the top foreigners. The Non-Koreans complained so much that Blizzard split off the WCS Circuit for them yet they still try to take spots from Koreans in Korean tournaments. Toxic attitude from the pros deserves a toxic response from the fans. | ||
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
On March 18 2018 00:30 Boggyb wrote: The Non-Koreans complained so much that Blizzard split off the WCS Circuit for them yet they still try to take spots from Koreans in Korean tournaments. Toxic attitude from the pros deserves a toxic response from the fans. Blizzard split the circuit because they realized the circumstances were bad for the overall popularity of the game, especially over the long term, not because they care about any given player. The pros just try to compete and win wherever they can.. | ||
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xongnox
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On March 18 2018 00:05 travis wrote: just watched game 1 maru vs serral dunno who wins the series, but maru made late game look broken for terran. honestly just seemed unfair. just slowly creep across the map with spread out static defense, and then trade cost effectively because your spellcasters beat their spellcasters. obviously im selling short how much skill maru played with, but it didn't seem like serral was not on his level. Yet when Maru played the most orthodox bio (opening), after an equal early game, he destroyed Serral way harder and faster than with his late-game play. Seriously zergs need to watch Rogue and understand you can't let Maru go 4th CC 2armory multi-starport on 3 tanks, some banshees and 2 factory. Just make units and kill him. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 18 2018 00:05 travis wrote: just watched game 1 maru vs serral dunno who wins the series, but maru made late game look broken for terran. honestly just seemed unfair. just slowly creep across the map with spread out static defense, and then trade cost effectively because your spellcasters beat their spellcasters. obviously im selling short how much skill maru played with, but it didn't seem like serral was not on his level. Like I said in the balance thread, the ultra-lategame maps between them were way closer than "standard" map between them (where Maru demolished him with pure marine tank). If anything, this series indicates zerg is better in the super lategame. | ||
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Poopi
France12762 Posts
On March 18 2018 01:24 Fango wrote: Like I said in the balance thread, the ultra-lategame maps between them were way closer than "standard" map between them (where Maru demolished him with pure marine tank). If anything, this series indicates zerg is better in the super lategame. Yeah but before that terrans wouldn't even dare to try late game in TvZ so our our lategame has improved. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15883 Posts
On March 18 2018 00:30 Boggyb wrote: The Non-Koreans complained so much that Blizzard split off the WCS Circuit for them yet they still try to take spots from Koreans in Korean tournaments. Toxic attitude from the pros deserves a toxic response from the fans. Don't blame the players, blame the system | ||
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rjpageuk
United Kingdom13 Posts
On March 18 2018 00:27 FrkFrJss wrote: First, I think that this sort of post on TL is just really toxic and unfair towards the foreigners, especially the top foreigners. And second, did you miss the part where Classic lost to Serral? It is pretty sad reading tourney threads on teamliquid these days. It used to be so exciting reading match reports on here when you couldnt watch the games, or to catch up on games you missed, or even to follow along as you watch but nowadays it is mostly just balance whine or posts about the "gap" and foreigners. Maybe it is inevitable that's how communities go for games as old as Starcraft 2 - only the die hard are left who are so jaded they are no longer excited about games and resort to in-jokes and memes. Certain prolific posters (we all know the names) have been allowed to post pretty much outright racist posts like the above. When questioned it is "trolling" - I guess they are supposed to be funny. I have no idea why the mods allow it, but it has made these tournament threads toxic and no fun to read for quite awhile now. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On March 18 2018 02:08 rjpageuk wrote: It is pretty sad reading tourney threads on teamliquid these days. It used to be so exciting reading match reports on here when you couldnt watch the games, or to catch up on games you missed, or even to follow along as you watch but nowadays it is mostly just balance whine or posts about the "gap" and foreigners. Maybe it is inevitable that's how communities go for games as old as Starcraft 2 - only the die hard are left who are so jaded they are no longer excited about games and resort to in-jokes and memes. Certain prolific posters (we all know the names) have been allowed to post pretty much outright racist posts like the above. When questioned it is "trolling" - I guess they are supposed to be funny. I have no idea why the mods allow it, but it has made these tournament threads toxic and no fun to read for quite awhile now. well at least people participate and post, i for one enjoy tournament threads a ton | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
On March 18 2018 02:08 rjpageuk wrote: It is pretty sad reading tourney threads on teamliquid these days. It used to be so exciting reading match reports on here when you couldnt watch the games, or to catch up on games you missed, or even to follow along as you watch but nowadays it is mostly just balance whine or posts about the "gap" and foreigners. Maybe it is inevitable that's how communities go for games as old as Starcraft 2 - only the die hard are left who are so jaded they are no longer excited about games and resort to in-jokes and memes. Certain prolific posters (we all know the names) have been allowed to post pretty much outright racist posts like the above. When questioned it is "trolling" - I guess they are supposed to be funny. I have no idea why the mods allow it, but it has made these tournament threads toxic and no fun to read for quite awhile now. I don't think that's true at all, there's like one balance whine post per page and 5 anti-foreigner posts in this whole thread. I recall during WoL and HotS that entire threads would devolve into balance complaint screaming matches. | ||
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Carminedust
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On March 18 2018 02:08 rjpageuk wrote: It is pretty sad reading tourney threads on teamliquid these days. It used to be so exciting reading match reports on here when you couldnt watch the games, or to catch up on games you missed, or even to follow along as you watch but nowadays it is mostly just balance whine or posts about the "gap" and foreigners. Maybe it is inevitable that's how communities go for games as old as Starcraft 2 - only the die hard are left who are so jaded they are no longer excited about games and resort to in-jokes and memes. Certain prolific posters (we all know the names) have been allowed to post pretty much outright racist posts like the above. When questioned it is "trolling" - I guess they are supposed to be funny. I have no idea why the mods allow it, but it has made these tournament threads toxic and no fun to read for quite awhile now. i feel the exact same way | ||
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AgonySC
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On March 18 2018 00:33 Kalera wrote: Blizzard split the circuit because they realized the circumstances were bad for the overall popularity of the game, especially over the long term, not because they care about any given player. The pros just try to compete and win wherever they can.. Koreans were never a threat to the popularity of the game; and let's be honest, how did that pan out in retrospect? Starcraft 2 is just an outdated model. In this day and age, a multiplayer game needs to have microtransactions and it needs to appeal to both the young fanbase and the female fanbase, both of which continue to grow each year. If I were to bet, I'd say this is the last year of WCS, and if not definitely this next one will be the last. So what appeared to be a move for the "long term" made a lot of people that were fans of Koreans, including myself, salty over the extremely unfair system. Which matches always get the most views? Top koreans vs top foreigners. | ||
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Boggyb
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On March 18 2018 02:06 Charoisaur wrote: Don't blame the players, blame the system The players are the ones who begged for the system, so yeah, blame the players. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15883 Posts
On March 18 2018 03:01 Boggyb wrote: The players are the ones who begged for the system, so yeah, blame the players. Not all of them | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On March 18 2018 03:01 Boggyb wrote: The players are the ones who begged for the system, so yeah, blame the players. Isn't this not true? I remember it being tournament organizers like DH/IEM saying they were going to pull SC2 because it was no longer profitable for them, so Blizzard made changes | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On March 18 2018 03:47 chipmonklord17 wrote: Isn't this not true? I remember it being tournament organizers like DH/IEM saying they were going to pull SC2 because it was no longer profitable for them, so Blizzard made changes I believe one of the big changes regarding tournaments is Blizzard is the one putting up the prize pool and in some cases even subsidizing the cost of running the tournament. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On March 18 2018 02:08 rjpageuk wrote: It is pretty sad reading tourney threads on teamliquid these days. It used to be so exciting reading match reports on here when you couldnt watch the games, or to catch up on games you missed, or even to follow along as you watch but nowadays it is mostly just balance whine or posts about the "gap" and foreigners. Maybe it is inevitable that's how communities go for games as old as Starcraft 2 - only the die hard are left who are so jaded they are no longer excited about games and resort to in-jokes and memes. Certain prolific posters (we all know the names) have been allowed to post pretty much outright racist posts like the above. When questioned it is "trolling" - I guess they are supposed to be funny. I have no idea why the mods allow it, but it has made these tournament threads toxic and no fun to read for quite awhile now. It could be that there used to be a lot more enthusiasm to go along with the whining, but there's always been quite a bit of whining. When people weren't complaining about the unfair new WCS system, they were complaining about Koreans dominating every tournament. Every balance decision (or failure to swiftly nerf something from the current meta) has brought with it a great deal of complaint. I actually am not sure that now is any worse than any other time. I don't know if it's a generational thing or if it's because of Blizzard's core design decisions or what. But I do think that there's literally nothing they are capable of doing that would please everyone when it comes to SC2. Having said that, I still see a good deal of enthusiasm in these threads. Actually, I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like there's maybe been an uptick lately on that front if anything. Or maybe I don't follow the foreign scene as much usually and it's got a slightly more lively fanbase at the moment? I don't know. But seriously, following WESG and IEM have given me a little more hope, if anything. | ||
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Avicularia
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Charoisaur
Germany15883 Posts
On March 18 2018 05:44 Avicularia wrote: I would love to watch Dark vs Serral Bo7 now to see who's the best zerg out there currently. You mean behind Rogue? | ||
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Poopi
France12762 Posts
Rogue is very mortal in ZvZ (didn't he get spanked by Serral already?) And his TvZ is relatively bad when pulling the boys doesn't work (see vs Maru at Katowice) | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 18 2018 02:08 rjpageuk wrote: It is pretty sad reading tourney threads on teamliquid these days. It used to be so exciting reading match reports on here when you couldnt watch the games, or to catch up on games you missed, or even to follow along as you watch but nowadays it is mostly just balance whine or posts about the "gap" and foreigners. Maybe it is inevitable that's how communities go for games as old as Starcraft 2 - only the die hard are left who are so jaded they are no longer excited about games and resort to in-jokes and memes. Certain prolific posters (we all know the names) have been allowed to post pretty much outright racist posts like the above. When questioned it is "trolling" - I guess they are supposed to be funny. I have no idea why the mods allow it, but it has made these tournament threads toxic and no fun to read for quite awhile now. If you think balance whine or anti-foreigner bias only started recently, you must not have been on TL anytime since 2010. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 18 2018 05:44 Avicularia wrote: I would love to watch Dark vs Serral Bo7 now to see who's the best zerg out there currently. But of course tomorrow final will also tell a lot. I feel like Serral needs some more time in korea, there are no terrans in EU to practice with. Once he fixes his ZvT (which is already the best outside of Korea) he might become the best zerg out there. I would love to see a good nonZerg who's a threat to Koreans, not just Zergs. | ||
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Avicularia
540 Posts
On March 18 2018 07:43 deacon.frost wrote: I would love to see a good nonZerg who's a threat to Koreans, not just Zergs. There was Neeb last year. | ||
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