EPTOn March 17 2018 21:04 Charoisaur wrote:
ZvP looks slightly Zerg favored. Not just judging from this series
ZvP looks slightly Zerg favored. Not just judging from this series
Slightly?
[WESG 2017] Playoffs - Day 1 - Page 45
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
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On March 17 2018 21:26 D-light wrote: Just wait till everyone start playing like Maru. Yeah guys, just play like maru | ||
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AgonySC
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
I've seen games on his stream where he tries to nuke rush lower level players and completely fails. Then he'll just make a bunch of marines and roll them right after. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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Hephaistas89
38 Posts
Winrates at top tournaments are pretty even | ||
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raff100
498 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On March 17 2018 22:58 Hephaistas89 wrote: Winrates at top tournaments are pretty even Using the sample of GSL, IEM PyeongChang, WCS Leipzig (Group Stage 3 + Playoffs), IEM Katowice (Group Stage + Playoffs), and WESG (Group Stage 2 + Playoffs) and excluding Korean wins over non-Koreans, my quick math says Zerg has a win rate of 30-19 which is 61.2%. | ||
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
On March 17 2018 23:41 Boggyb wrote: Using the sample of GSL, IEM PyeongChang, WCS Leipzig (Group Stage 3 + Playoffs), IEM Katowice (Group Stage + Playoffs), and WESG (Group Stage 2 + Playoffs) and excluding Korean wins over non-Koreans, my quick math says Zerg has a win rate of 30-19 which is 61.2%. What a random exclusion. You exclude one way but not the other? It's like a worse version of saying "excluding all matches where Aligulac differs by >239 pts" or something equally arbitrary. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
Top tournaments pick one | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On March 17 2018 23:47 Kalera wrote: What a random exclusion. You exclude one way but not the other? It's like a worse version of saying "excluding all matches where Aligulac differs by >239 pts" or something equally arbitrary. Do you think results like sOs and Dear beating SortOf or Zest beating Stephano say anything about balance? Do you think results like Scarlett (The Queen of PatchZergs) beating Zest (a multiple GSL winner) and sOs (a multiple world champion) don't? | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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dunno who wins the series, but maru made late game look broken for terran. honestly just seemed unfair. just slowly creep across the map with spread out static defense, and then trade cost effectively because your spellcasters beat their spellcasters. obviously im selling short how much skill maru played with, but it didn't seem like serral was not on his level. | ||
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SnowfaLL
Canada730 Posts
On March 18 2018 00:05 travis wrote: just watched game 1 maru vs serral dunno who wins the series, but maru made late game look broken for terran. honestly just seemed unfair. just slowly creep across the map with spread out static defense, and then trade cost effectively because your spellcasters beat their spellcasters. obviously im selling short how much skill maru played with, but it didn't seem like serral was not on his level. There is something to be said about "ultra-aggressive" players like Maru (my fav terran from the beginning) and the old toss's like MC and PartinG. The way they impose their will on their opponents unlike anyone else, is impressive and looks OP despite no one else being able to do what they do. Not to mention all 3 are micro gods, that probably plays a big part of it as opposed to the "sit-back-and-defend" guys. I'm hoping PartinG gets back in shape and becomes the savior us Protoss need to win these days.. clearly Classic is letting us down =[ | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1208 Posts
On March 17 2018 22:16 AgonySC wrote: Always a happy day when Koreans win. No matter how many advantages Blizzard gives foreigners, talent always prevails. First, I think that this sort of post on TL is just really toxic and unfair towards the foreigners, especially the top foreigners. And second, did you miss the part where Classic lost to Serral? | ||
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JeSuisSuarez
8 Posts
On March 17 2018 23:41 Boggyb wrote: Using the sample of GSL, IEM PyeongChang, WCS Leipzig (Group Stage 3 + Playoffs), IEM Katowice (Group Stage + Playoffs), and WESG (Group Stage 2 + Playoffs) and excluding Korean wins over non-Koreans, my quick math says Zerg has a win rate of 30-19 which is 61.2%. This right here! The matchup is pretty broken right now. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On March 18 2018 00:27 FrkFrJss wrote: First, I think that this sort of post on TL is just really toxic and unfair towards the foreigners, especially the top foreigners. The Non-Koreans complained so much that Blizzard split off the WCS Circuit for them yet they still try to take spots from Koreans in Korean tournaments. Toxic attitude from the pros deserves a toxic response from the fans. | ||
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
On March 18 2018 00:30 Boggyb wrote: The Non-Koreans complained so much that Blizzard split off the WCS Circuit for them yet they still try to take spots from Koreans in Korean tournaments. Toxic attitude from the pros deserves a toxic response from the fans. Blizzard split the circuit because they realized the circumstances were bad for the overall popularity of the game, especially over the long term, not because they care about any given player. The pros just try to compete and win wherever they can.. | ||
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xongnox
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On March 18 2018 00:05 travis wrote: just watched game 1 maru vs serral dunno who wins the series, but maru made late game look broken for terran. honestly just seemed unfair. just slowly creep across the map with spread out static defense, and then trade cost effectively because your spellcasters beat their spellcasters. obviously im selling short how much skill maru played with, but it didn't seem like serral was not on his level. Yet when Maru played the most orthodox bio (opening), after an equal early game, he destroyed Serral way harder and faster than with his late-game play. Seriously zergs need to watch Rogue and understand you can't let Maru go 4th CC 2armory multi-starport on 3 tanks, some banshees and 2 factory. Just make units and kill him. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 18 2018 00:05 travis wrote: just watched game 1 maru vs serral dunno who wins the series, but maru made late game look broken for terran. honestly just seemed unfair. just slowly creep across the map with spread out static defense, and then trade cost effectively because your spellcasters beat their spellcasters. obviously im selling short how much skill maru played with, but it didn't seem like serral was not on his level. Like I said in the balance thread, the ultra-lategame maps between them were way closer than "standard" map between them (where Maru demolished him with pure marine tank). If anything, this series indicates zerg is better in the super lategame. | ||
Poopi
France13022 Posts
On March 18 2018 01:24 Fango wrote: Like I said in the balance thread, the ultra-lategame maps between them were way closer than "standard" map between them (where Maru demolished him with pure marine tank). If anything, this series indicates zerg is better in the super lategame. Yeah but before that terrans wouldn't even dare to try late game in TvZ so our our lategame has improved. | ||
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