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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
March 04 2018 14:44 GMT
#1261
I love Rogue and am happy for him, but PvZ is terrible. I think I'd rank it as the worst match up to watch, even below ZvZ. At least in ZvZ a Zerg has a decent chance of losing.

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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
March 04 2018 14:45 GMT
#1262
On March 04 2018 23:44 Tyrhanius wrote:
Despite the campaign of bashing by TL, Rogue shows he is the true champion

campaign of bashing rofl
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Merry Go R0und
Profile Joined July 2014
17 Posts
March 04 2018 14:45 GMT
#1263
On March 04 2018 23:34 AzAlexZ wrote:
Rogue is 2-0 vs Neeb, 2-0 vs Zest, 3-0 vs Hurricane and 4-0 vs Classic
THIS FUKING GUY HAS NOT LOST A MAP VS PROTOSS

dream match-up for Rogue into the finals, total smash
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 04 2018 14:45 GMT
#1264
On March 04 2018 23:44 Boggyb wrote:
I love Rogue and am happy for him, but PvZ is terrible. I think I'd rank it as the worst match up to watch, even below ZvZ. At least in ZvZ a Zerg has a decent chance of losing.

This unbiased post was brought to you by...
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-04 14:46:33
March 04 2018 14:46 GMT
#1265
On March 04 2018 23:45 intotheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 23:44 Boggyb wrote:
I love Rogue and am happy for him, but PvZ is terrible. I think I'd rank it as the worst match up to watch, even below ZvZ. At least in ZvZ a Zerg has a decent chance of losing.

This unbiased post was brought to you by...


I really think a Zerg killed his dad or something

Like 8 years ago when he was young some guy dressed as a hydralisk came in and destroyed his house.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44125 Posts
March 04 2018 14:46 GMT
#1266
On March 04 2018 23:44 intotheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 23:44 goody153 wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:40 Musicus wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:38 Boggyb wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:36 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:35 Musicus wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:34 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:33 Musicus wrote:
What the actual fuck!!!

How did he win this?

I came back when queens and ravagers werre killing stuff in fron of Classic's natural, wtf

Classic went mass oracle and suicided them to queens and spores for 3 minutes.

Best player in the world by far right?

Yeah he is, that's why he's winning the same GSL from which Rogue got eliminated by Scarlett.

Is it really hard to understand that his motivation waned after winning $300,000 in 2017 and he needed time to get back into form?

Grubby and Madfrog had some very intersting things to say about this topic in the wc3 invitational. About finding motivation and getting back to playing well again after winning a huge tournament.

Madfrog said he was satisfied after one big win and being the best in world for a day, while Grubby said he couldn't play well for quite some time after winning a WCG.

I think this isn't an uncommon statement from esports.

I've heard plenty of players and teams from dota 2 after winning TI who just lost motivation afterwards(winning a million or more for each players helps that ) but there's rarely been a team who still does well afterwards.

I guess both games tend to have significant patches afterwards.

True but still you'd hear it from the winners in some of their interviews about the question(what does it feel winning etc etc)
this is a quote
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
March 04 2018 14:46 GMT
#1267
No wrap up on stream?
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
March 04 2018 14:48 GMT
#1268
On March 04 2018 23:42 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 23:41 Paljas wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:39 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:38 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:36 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:35 Musicus wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:34 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:33 Musicus wrote:
What the actual fuck!!!

How did he win this?

I came back when queens and ravagers werre killing stuff in fron of Classic's natural, wtf

Classic went mass oracle and suicided them to queens and spores for 3 minutes.

Best player in the world by far right?

Yeah he is, that's why he's winning the same GSL from which Rogue got eliminated by Scarlett.


Haha, so much salt. It has to be hard watching Rogue winning all those tournaments, destroying protosses left and right. Meanwhile Classic last won what, 3 years ago?

He actually won WESG Asia 2 months ago http://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/World_Electronic_Sports_Games_2017/Asia-Pacific

qualifier

Offline qualifier for 18 thousand dollars seems like a good deal for me, but I guess the nomenclature is the ultimate deal breaker.

the group stage was free, and there where like 3 koreans. clearly not a premier tournament
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Mike L
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany162 Posts
March 04 2018 14:49 GMT
#1269
why on aligulac after update MC still counted as the 2nd most earned player, when i`m sure that i saw an article here about sOs finally outnumbered him?
MrWayne
Profile Joined December 2016
219 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-04 14:49:37
March 04 2018 14:49 GMT
#1270
well this final Day sucked hard. But GG Rogue
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 04 2018 14:49 GMT
#1271
On March 04 2018 23:46 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 23:44 intotheheart wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:44 goody153 wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:40 Musicus wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:38 Boggyb wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:36 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:35 Musicus wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:34 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:33 Musicus wrote:
What the actual fuck!!!

How did he win this?

I came back when queens and ravagers werre killing stuff in fron of Classic's natural, wtf

Classic went mass oracle and suicided them to queens and spores for 3 minutes.

Best player in the world by far right?

Yeah he is, that's why he's winning the same GSL from which Rogue got eliminated by Scarlett.

Is it really hard to understand that his motivation waned after winning $300,000 in 2017 and he needed time to get back into form?

Grubby and Madfrog had some very intersting things to say about this topic in the wc3 invitational. About finding motivation and getting back to playing well again after winning a huge tournament.

Madfrog said he was satisfied after one big win and being the best in world for a day, while Grubby said he couldn't play well for quite some time after winning a WCG.

I think this isn't an uncommon statement from esports.

I've heard plenty of players and teams from dota 2 after winning TI who just lost motivation afterwards(winning a million or more for each players helps that ) but there's rarely been a team who still does well afterwards.

I guess both games tend to have significant patches afterwards.

True but still you'd hear it from the winners in some of their interviews about the question(what does it feel winning etc etc)

I honestly don't know how many people talk about it in SC2, although it may have just flown completely under the radar for me.
kiss kiss fall in love
DSh1
Profile Joined April 2017
292 Posts
March 04 2018 14:49 GMT
#1272
On March 04 2018 23:40 Musicus wrote:
Grubby and Madfrog had some very intersting things to say about this topic in the wc3 invitational. About finding motivation and getting back to playing well again after winning a huge tournament.

Madfrog said he was satisfied after one big win and being the best in world for a day, while Grubby said he couldn't play well for quite some time after winning a WCG.


From how I see it in hindsight it might not have been a motivational problem. Rather that expectations were so high and he was underrated after not qualifying for PyeongChang and dropping out of GSL. I would guess he just didn't adjust to the new patch so well up till now with his ZvT taking a slight drop due to the new patch. Mirror matchups (ZvZ) are always tricky so I wouldn't use them to measure his performance. His ZvP was never really tested this year. And thus we might have judged him too early.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15961 Posts
March 04 2018 14:49 GMT
#1273
On March 04 2018 23:44 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 23:40 Musicus wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:38 Boggyb wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:36 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:35 Musicus wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:34 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:33 Musicus wrote:
What the actual fuck!!!

How did he win this?

I came back when queens and ravagers werre killing stuff in fron of Classic's natural, wtf

Classic went mass oracle and suicided them to queens and spores for 3 minutes.

Best player in the world by far right?

Yeah he is, that's why he's winning the same GSL from which Rogue got eliminated by Scarlett.

Is it really hard to understand that his motivation waned after winning $300,000 in 2017 and he needed time to get back into form?

Grubby and Madfrog had some very intersting things to say about this topic in the wc3 invitational. About finding motivation and getting back to playing well again after winning a huge tournament.

Madfrog said he was satisfied after one big win and being the best in world for a day, while Grubby said he couldn't play well for quite some time after winning a WCG.

I think this isn't an uncommon statement from esports.

I've heard plenty of players and teams from dota 2 after winning TI who just lost motivation afterwards(winning a million or more for each players helps that ) but there's rarely been a team who still does well afterwards. There was one team who just stopped practicing started playing mmos in place lmao

and then there's INnoVation who just doesn't care and wins tournament after tournament
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
March 04 2018 14:50 GMT
#1274
On March 04 2018 23:48 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 23:42 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:41 Paljas wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:39 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:38 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:36 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:35 Musicus wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:34 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:33 Musicus wrote:
What the actual fuck!!!

How did he win this?

I came back when queens and ravagers werre killing stuff in fron of Classic's natural, wtf

Classic went mass oracle and suicided them to queens and spores for 3 minutes.

Best player in the world by far right?

Yeah he is, that's why he's winning the same GSL from which Rogue got eliminated by Scarlett.


Haha, so much salt. It has to be hard watching Rogue winning all those tournaments, destroying protosses left and right. Meanwhile Classic last won what, 3 years ago?

He actually won WESG Asia 2 months ago http://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/World_Electronic_Sports_Games_2017/Asia-Pacific

qualifier

Offline qualifier for 18 thousand dollars seems like a good deal for me, but I guess the nomenclature is the ultimate deal breaker.

the group stage was free, and there where like 3 koreans. clearly not a premier tournament

Yet the main event has more prize money than IEM Katowice.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28481 Posts
March 04 2018 14:50 GMT
#1275
On March 04 2018 23:49 Mike L wrote:
why on aligulac after update MC still counted as the 2nd most earned player, when i`m sure that i saw an article here about sOs finally outnumbered him?

this site seems to be more accurate regarding earnings
https://www.esportsearnings.com/games/151-starcraft-ii
I Protoss winner, could it be?
leublix
Profile Joined May 2017
493 Posts
March 04 2018 14:50 GMT
#1276
2017 Katowice > 2018 Katowice.

It's close but the final day was just too underwhelming.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 04 2018 14:51 GMT
#1277
Whatevs Maru did alright so still an ok tournament in my book
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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
March 04 2018 14:52 GMT
#1278
On March 04 2018 23:49 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 23:44 goody153 wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:40 Musicus wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:38 Boggyb wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:36 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:35 Musicus wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:34 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:33 Musicus wrote:
What the actual fuck!!!

How did he win this?

I came back when queens and ravagers werre killing stuff in fron of Classic's natural, wtf

Classic went mass oracle and suicided them to queens and spores for 3 minutes.

Best player in the world by far right?

Yeah he is, that's why he's winning the same GSL from which Rogue got eliminated by Scarlett.

Is it really hard to understand that his motivation waned after winning $300,000 in 2017 and he needed time to get back into form?

Grubby and Madfrog had some very intersting things to say about this topic in the wc3 invitational. About finding motivation and getting back to playing well again after winning a huge tournament.

Madfrog said he was satisfied after one big win and being the best in world for a day, while Grubby said he couldn't play well for quite some time after winning a WCG.

I think this isn't an uncommon statement from esports.

I've heard plenty of players and teams from dota 2 after winning TI who just lost motivation afterwards(winning a million or more for each players helps that ) but there's rarely been a team who still does well afterwards. There was one team who just stopped practicing started playing mmos in place lmao

and then there's INnoVation who just doesn't care and wins tournament after tournament

Winning a GSL must feel amazing, but it's not the same as winning $200,000.
Avicularia
Profile Joined February 2012
540 Posts
March 04 2018 14:52 GMT
#1279
With audience like this WCS events look so embarrassing
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
March 04 2018 14:52 GMT
#1280
On March 04 2018 23:50 yht9657 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 23:48 Paljas wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:42 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:41 Paljas wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:39 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:38 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:36 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:35 Musicus wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:34 Ej_ wrote:
On March 04 2018 23:33 Musicus wrote:
What the actual fuck!!!

How did he win this?

I came back when queens and ravagers werre killing stuff in fron of Classic's natural, wtf

Classic went mass oracle and suicided them to queens and spores for 3 minutes.

Best player in the world by far right?

Yeah he is, that's why he's winning the same GSL from which Rogue got eliminated by Scarlett.


Haha, so much salt. It has to be hard watching Rogue winning all those tournaments, destroying protosses left and right. Meanwhile Classic last won what, 3 years ago?

He actually won WESG Asia 2 months ago http://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/World_Electronic_Sports_Games_2017/Asia-Pacific

qualifier

Offline qualifier for 18 thousand dollars seems like a good deal for me, but I guess the nomenclature is the ultimate deal breaker.

the group stage was free, and there where like 3 koreans. clearly not a premier tournament

Yet the main event has more prize money than IEM Katowice.

alibaba is a rich company, yes. good observation
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