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On September 11 2017 03:01 Elentos wrote:
Why isn't the music in every WCS break Treat - Roar? WCS clearly behind GSL forever until this is addressed. SGTK you should also get involved with WCS planning.
If we used that song though people might think the players in this tournament were top level though 
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I'd be good with the WMs remaining as they are if Blizzard dispatched a guy to come to your house and slap you after every game that you do it in.
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On September 11 2017 03:00 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 02:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 11 2017 02:56 Olli wrote:On September 11 2017 02:55 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 11 2017 02:51 usopsama wrote:
I do like the new balance changes a lot more than when David Kim was leading.
I still can't believe they are really going to get rid of the mother ship core. If David Kim was still leading, this change would be impossible. Admittedly all their ideas to replace photon overcharge have been garbage and break PvP and PvZ in half, but at least they are trying. Of course design patches are going to break matchups in half at first. That's why they're design patches. They can always fine tune them once they're established. All these shield buffing abilities do absolutely nothing to prevent mineral lines to get cleaned out at a whim. Stalkers shooting things out of the sky much faster should help with that. Also widow mines being visible off cooldown. Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:00 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 02:59 Olli wrote:On September 11 2017 02:57 Heartland wrote:On September 11 2017 02:56 Olli wrote:On September 11 2017 02:55 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 11 2017 02:51 usopsama wrote:
I do like the new balance changes a lot more than when David Kim was leading.
I still can't believe they are really going to get rid of the mother ship core. If David Kim was still leading, this change would be impossible. Admittedly all their ideas to replace photon overcharge have been garbage and break PvP and PvZ in half, but at least they are trying. Of course design patches are going to break matchups in half at first. That's why they're design patches. They can always fine tune them once they're established. How much are they paying you?! Well this is a stance I've always had. Design patches should only be criticized for their design. Everything else will come later. So we are allowed to criticize warpgates for bad design?  Sure, people have always done that. I just don't agree.
They don't though. If you only have a few stalkers it takes even longer to take out an oracle...
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On September 11 2017 03:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:02 raff100 wrote:
MOBA are really deforming players minds: there is no need to change units/abilities to shake the meta. Changes must be done when the design is in a bad state, as it is right now for Raven and PO,not because is refreshing to see new metà every year...
There is no right or wrong concerning this
If the game is fun and diversified, why should you risk everything for the sake of change? Balance in rts is way more subtle than in moba when you can just ban OP things.
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On September 11 2017 03:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:01 Elentos wrote:
Why isn't the music in every WCS break Treat - Roar? WCS clearly behind GSL forever until this is addressed. SGTK you should also get involved with WCS planning. If we used that song though people might think the players in this tournament were top level though
There were some Code S players in it
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On September 11 2017 03:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:01 Elentos wrote:
Why isn't the music in every WCS break Treat - Roar? WCS clearly behind GSL forever until this is addressed. SGTK you should also get involved with WCS planning. If we used that song though people might think the players in this tournament were top level though
WCS doesn't even deserve Sparkuling
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I think they should turn liberator anti air back to the way it was originally but get rid of the range upgrade
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On September 11 2017 03:05 raff100 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 03:02 raff100 wrote:
MOBA are really deforming players minds: there is no need to change units/abilities to shake the meta. Changes must be done when the design is in a bad state, as it is right now for Raven and PO,not because is refreshing to see new metà every year...
There is no right or wrong concerning this If the game is fun and diversified, why should you risk everything for the sake of change? Balance in rts is way more subtle than in moba when you can just ban OP things.
The true next generation RTS will have 50 units per race and a draft phase
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On September 11 2017 03:05 raff100 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 03:02 raff100 wrote:
MOBA are really deforming players minds: there is no need to change units/abilities to shake the meta. Changes must be done when the design is in a bad state, as it is right now for Raven and PO,not because is refreshing to see new metà every year...
There is no right or wrong concerning this If the game is fun and diversified, why should you risk everything for the sake of change? Balance in rts is way more subtle than in moba when you can just ban OP things.
Because usually there will be a rather stale meta, people can boast about bw and how the meta still changes but most games are still fairly similar to each other. Change is exciting.
Personally i can see both sides and don't have a strong opinion one way or another
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I didn't listen very carefully to this guy, can someone sum up the last changes to the infestor? So entangle out, infested terrans in again, fungal hits air again. Fungal is now a exclusive slowing spell? Even on creep? Can fungal still be casted from burrowed infestors?
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On September 11 2017 03:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:05 raff100 wrote:On September 11 2017 03:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 03:02 raff100 wrote:
MOBA are really deforming players minds: there is no need to change units/abilities to shake the meta. Changes must be done when the design is in a bad state, as it is right now for Raven and PO,not because is refreshing to see new metà every year...
There is no right or wrong concerning this If the game is fun and diversified, why should you risk everything for the sake of change? Balance in rts is way more subtle than in moba when you can just ban OP things. The true next generation RTS will have 50 units per race and a draft phase
The truth is that next generation RTS will be BW in Korea, WC3 in China and Clash of Clans everywhere else.
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missed the design change talk, anything interesting or new?
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On September 11 2017 03:05 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:00 Olli wrote:On September 11 2017 02:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 11 2017 02:56 Olli wrote:On September 11 2017 02:55 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 11 2017 02:51 usopsama wrote:
I do like the new balance changes a lot more than when David Kim was leading.
I still can't believe they are really going to get rid of the mother ship core. If David Kim was still leading, this change would be impossible. Admittedly all their ideas to replace photon overcharge have been garbage and break PvP and PvZ in half, but at least they are trying. Of course design patches are going to break matchups in half at first. That's why they're design patches. They can always fine tune them once they're established. All these shield buffing abilities do absolutely nothing to prevent mineral lines to get cleaned out at a whim. Stalkers shooting things out of the sky much faster should help with that. Also widow mines being visible off cooldown. On September 11 2017 03:00 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 02:59 Olli wrote:On September 11 2017 02:57 Heartland wrote:On September 11 2017 02:56 Olli wrote:On September 11 2017 02:55 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 11 2017 02:51 usopsama wrote:
I do like the new balance changes a lot more than when David Kim was leading.
I still can't believe they are really going to get rid of the mother ship core. If David Kim was still leading, this change would be impossible. Admittedly all their ideas to replace photon overcharge have been garbage and break PvP and PvZ in half, but at least they are trying. Of course design patches are going to break matchups in half at first. That's why they're design patches. They can always fine tune them once they're established. How much are they paying you?! Well this is a stance I've always had. Design patches should only be criticized for their design. Everything else will come later. So we are allowed to criticize warpgates for bad design? Sure, people have always done that. I just don't agree. They don't though. If you only have a few stalkers it takes even longer to take out an oracle...
All things that can be adjusted with build times, oracle armor, etc. and specific builds to perhaps counter SG openings. You're being way too specific about things that nobody can foresee at the moment.
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On September 11 2017 03:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:05 raff100 wrote:On September 11 2017 03:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 03:02 raff100 wrote:
MOBA are really deforming players minds: there is no need to change units/abilities to shake the meta. Changes must be done when the design is in a bad state, as it is right now for Raven and PO,not because is refreshing to see new metà every year...
There is no right or wrong concerning this If the game is fun and diversified, why should you risk everything for the sake of change? Balance in rts is way more subtle than in moba when you can just ban OP things. Because usually there will be a rather stale meta, people can boast about bw and how the meta still changes but most games are still fairly similar to each other. Change is exciting. Personally i can see both sides and don't have a strong opinion one way or another
change can happen without patches. Bisu
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On September 11 2017 03:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:05 raff100 wrote:On September 11 2017 03:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 03:02 raff100 wrote:
MOBA are really deforming players minds: there is no need to change units/abilities to shake the meta. Changes must be done when the design is in a bad state, as it is right now for Raven and PO,not because is refreshing to see new metà every year...
There is no right or wrong concerning this If the game is fun and diversified, why should you risk everything for the sake of change? Balance in rts is way more subtle than in moba when you can just ban OP things. The true next generation RTS will have 50 units per race and a draft phase
I actually think this is fairly likely, at least the concept
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I am looking forward to the inevitable Shield Battery rushes
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On September 11 2017 03:09 Topin wrote:
missed the design change talk, anything interesting or new?
They're bringing back the shield battery. I wonder how long it'll take them to realize that the shield battery is even worse in SCII than BW and shelve the idea.
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On September 11 2017 03:08 fastr wrote:
I didn't listen very carefully to this guy, can someone sum up the last changes to the infestor? So entangle out, infested terrans in again, fungal hits air again. Fungal is now a exclusive slowing spell? Even on creep? Can fungal still be casted from burrowed infestors?
Yes
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On September 11 2017 03:08 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On September 11 2017 03:05 raff100 wrote:On September 11 2017 03:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 03:02 raff100 wrote:
MOBA are really deforming players minds: there is no need to change units/abilities to shake the meta. Changes must be done when the design is in a bad state, as it is right now for Raven and PO,not because is refreshing to see new metà every year...
There is no right or wrong concerning this If the game is fun and diversified, why should you risk everything for the sake of change? Balance in rts is way more subtle than in moba when you can just ban OP things. The true next generation RTS will have 50 units per race and a draft phase The truth is that next generation RTS will be BW in Korea, WC3 in China and Clash of Clans everywhere else.
WC4 can unite the world
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On September 11 2017 03:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:05 raff100 wrote:On September 11 2017 03:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 03:02 raff100 wrote:
MOBA are really deforming players minds: there is no need to change units/abilities to shake the meta. Changes must be done when the design is in a bad state, as it is right now for Raven and PO,not because is refreshing to see new metà every year...
There is no right or wrong concerning this If the game is fun and diversified, why should you risk everything for the sake of change? Balance in rts is way more subtle than in moba when you can just ban OP things. The true next generation RTS will have 50 units per race and a draft phase
I think you mean 50 races.
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