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I predict Neeb will win 4-2. I do still hope for a zerg miracle though 
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On September 11 2017 03:19 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:19 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 03:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 11 2017 03:17 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 03:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 11 2017 03:12 fastr wrote:On September 11 2017 03:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 11 2017 03:09 Topin wrote:
missed the design change talk, anything interesting or new? They're bringing back the shield battery. I wonder how long it'll take them to realize that the shield battery is even worse in SCII than BW and shelve the idea. Clicking on pylons with a single defensive air unit was always stupid design wise, shield battery is infinitely better as it forces protoss to leave some unit to defend and offer micro and counter play possibilities. If Shield battery in it's current state is underpowered, they can always buff it after further testing. Shield batteries are a fundamentally garbage concept of a do nothing support building that always falls into uselessness or overpoweredness. Pylon overcharge is several times worse Shit design that maintains balance > Shit design that can't even maintain balance Can't we just bring back nexus overcharge?  +1 nexus overcharge was 100% better than pylon overcharge
is this a joke?
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Canada8990 Posts
On September 11 2017 03:16 Fango wrote:
I really hope Mal stays as host for good. Way more exiting than Smix
Funny thing he said on stage that he knew we misses Smix and that we should cheer for him to keep his job. He should be more confident in himself, he his doing a good job.
Personnally I prefer him as host but I prefer Smix for the interview.
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montreal crowd > gsl crowd
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Why the hell they picked Nathanias to cast finals. I mean he is OK, but other casters are just way above him.
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On September 11 2017 03:20 Avicularia wrote:
Why the hell they picked Nathanias to cast finals. I mean he is OK, but other casters are just way above him.
Who else is going to mention annoying 'Murica memes?!
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On September 11 2017 03:20 Avicularia wrote:
Why the hell they picked Nathanias to cast finals. I mean he is OK, but other casters are just way above him.
It's a PvZ, so obviously they need terrans casting.
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On September 11 2017 03:21 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:20 Avicularia wrote:
Why the hell they picked Nathanias to cast finals. I mean he is OK, but other casters are just way above him. Who else is going to mention annoying 'Murica memes?!
Why do you hate the greatest country on earth?
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United States97276 Posts
they should have let Rifkin do the final
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On September 11 2017 03:20 Avicularia wrote:
Why the hell they picked Nathanias to cast finals. I mean he is OK, but other casters are just way above him.
Stop hating Nathanias is a good caster and has earned his spot
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On September 11 2017 03:21 Shellshock wrote:
they should have let Rifkin do the final
Rifkin/avilo cast
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On September 11 2017 03:21 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:21 Heartland wrote:On September 11 2017 03:20 Avicularia wrote:
Why the hell they picked Nathanias to cast finals. I mean he is OK, but other casters are just way above him. Who else is going to mention annoying 'Murica memes?! Why do you hate the greatest country on earth?
He's upset NaNiwa is no longer GOAT.
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On September 11 2017 03:20 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:19 Luolis wrote:On September 11 2017 03:19 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 03:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 11 2017 03:17 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 03:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 11 2017 03:12 fastr wrote:On September 11 2017 03:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 11 2017 03:09 Topin wrote:
missed the design change talk, anything interesting or new? They're bringing back the shield battery. I wonder how long it'll take them to realize that the shield battery is even worse in SCII than BW and shelve the idea. Clicking on pylons with a single defensive air unit was always stupid design wise, shield battery is infinitely better as it forces protoss to leave some unit to defend and offer micro and counter play possibilities. If Shield battery in it's current state is underpowered, they can always buff it after further testing. Shield batteries are a fundamentally garbage concept of a do nothing support building that always falls into uselessness or overpoweredness. Pylon overcharge is several times worse Shit design that maintains balance > Shit design that can't even maintain balance Can't we just bring back nexus overcharge? +1 nexus overcharge was 100% better than pylon overcharge is this a joke?
Why would it be? I think nexus overcharge was more fun to play against than pylon overcharge and i think it was better (though ideally no overcharge would be good)
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On September 11 2017 03:21 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:20 Avicularia wrote:
Why the hell they picked Nathanias to cast finals. I mean he is OK, but other casters are just way above him. It's a PvZ, so obviously they need terrans casting.
bring back mOOnGLade
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On September 11 2017 03:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:17 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 03:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 11 2017 03:12 fastr wrote:On September 11 2017 03:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 11 2017 03:09 Topin wrote:
missed the design change talk, anything interesting or new? They're bringing back the shield battery. I wonder how long it'll take them to realize that the shield battery is even worse in SCII than BW and shelve the idea. Clicking on pylons with a single defensive air unit was always stupid design wise, shield battery is infinitely better as it forces protoss to leave some unit to defend and offer micro and counter play possibilities. If Shield battery in it's current state is underpowered, they can always buff it after further testing. Shield batteries are a fundamentally garbage concept of a do nothing support building that always falls into uselessness or overpoweredness. Pylon overcharge is several times worse Shit design that maintains balance > Shit design that can't even maintain balance
You can't criticise the balence of a patch that is still being changed and isn't out yet. Numbers can always be adjusted. But pylon overcharge/moma core is ridiculous from a design perspective
The stalker and widow mine changes make defending mineral lines better. It allows you to defend with actual units and micro, not a one click defense. Also the game is less likely to be ended based of purely pylon positioning. And the existance of pylon rushes is disgusting and should never be as viable as they are in current LoTV
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On September 11 2017 03:21 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:21 Heartland wrote:On September 11 2017 03:20 Avicularia wrote:
Why the hell they picked Nathanias to cast finals. I mean he is OK, but other casters are just way above him. Who else is going to mention annoying 'Murica memes?! Why do you hate the greatest country on earth?
I am indifferent to it's geography, I hate the memes.
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On September 11 2017 03:18 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 03:09 Charoisaur wrote:On September 11 2017 03:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 03:05 raff100 wrote:On September 11 2017 03:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 03:02 raff100 wrote:
MOBA are really deforming players minds: there is no need to change units/abilities to shake the meta. Changes must be done when the design is in a bad state, as it is right now for Raven and PO,not because is refreshing to see new metà every year...
There is no right or wrong concerning this If the game is fun and diversified, why should you risk everything for the sake of change? Balance in rts is way more subtle than in moba when you can just ban OP things. Because usually there will be a rather stale meta, people can boast about bw and how the meta still changes but most games are still fairly similar to each other. Change is exciting. Personally i can see both sides and don't have a strong opinion one way or another change can happen without patches. Bisu Not sure if you mention bisu because i ranted about the stupid concept of giving credit to one player or if you are serious now  Yes the game can change, there still will be a fairly stale meta at one point without actual changes (maps, game design). Sure there are always small differences here and there and you can go different builds to surprise people, etc. But in general the meta will be clear and most games will look similar. Changing that with big design changes where everyone has to figure stuff out anew is definitely interesting as a concept, both to play and to watch. why is it bad when the game gets stale? Football is stale too but nobody complains that we should change the rules to shake things up. I mentioned Bisu because he usually gets credited for coming up with this build so it's clear what I mean
Because it becomes predictable at a point. When you can say "strategy X most likely loses vs Y" and it actually happens like that most of the time then there is the danger of the game becoming boring for a lot of people. That's also the same reason why imbalances are bad, if you are fairly certain that ZvP is heavily zerg favored then what is the point of watching ZvPs? Uncertainty is exciting.
Again, i am not even on the side of constant changes, but it's pretty easy to understand the appeal imo. Both sides have pros and cons
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United States97276 Posts
On September 11 2017 03:22 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:21 Shellshock wrote:
they should have let Rifkin do the final Rifkin/avilo cast
would listen with max volume
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On September 11 2017 03:22 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:20 Charoisaur wrote:On September 11 2017 03:19 Luolis wrote:On September 11 2017 03:19 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 03:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 11 2017 03:17 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 03:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 11 2017 03:12 fastr wrote:On September 11 2017 03:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 11 2017 03:09 Topin wrote:
missed the design change talk, anything interesting or new? They're bringing back the shield battery. I wonder how long it'll take them to realize that the shield battery is even worse in SCII than BW and shelve the idea. Clicking on pylons with a single defensive air unit was always stupid design wise, shield battery is infinitely better as it forces protoss to leave some unit to defend and offer micro and counter play possibilities. If Shield battery in it's current state is underpowered, they can always buff it after further testing. Shield batteries are a fundamentally garbage concept of a do nothing support building that always falls into uselessness or overpoweredness. Pylon overcharge is several times worse Shit design that maintains balance > Shit design that can't even maintain balance Can't we just bring back nexus overcharge? +1 nexus overcharge was 100% better than pylon overcharge is this a joke? Why would it be? I think nexus overcharge was more fun to play against than pylon overcharge and i think it was better (though ideally no overcharge would be good)
It was ass cancer to try and fight into a cannon that was impossible to kill. Not every race load up their entire army into medivacs and doom drop main ))
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On September 11 2017 03:22 Topdoller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 03:20 Avicularia wrote:
Why the hell they picked Nathanias to cast finals. I mean he is OK, but other casters are just way above him. Stop hating Nathanias is a good caster and has earned his spot
He's good but personally I agree that the other ones are better + he's not an expert on PvZ.
Anyway not the biggest deal
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