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On July 29 2017 16:43 usopsama wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2017 16:40 starkiller123 wrote:On July 29 2017 16:39 Mun_Su wrote:On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote: The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board. They should give reapers stim and remove grenade then. And permanent cloak They should unnerf Tempest back to 22 range. While they are at it, they should give the Colossus and adepts 22 range as well.
Liberators should be able to move faster than oracles while in seige mode and shoot and move, it's common sense
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On July 29 2017 16:46 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2017 16:43 usopsama wrote:On July 29 2017 16:40 starkiller123 wrote:On July 29 2017 16:39 Mun_Su wrote:On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote: The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board. They should give reapers stim and remove grenade then. And permanent cloak They should unnerf Tempest back to 22 range. While they are at it, they should give the Colossus and adepts 22 range as well. Liberators should be able to move faster than oracles while in seige mode and shoot and move, it's common sense As long as all zerg units have 8 armors, including drones.
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On July 29 2017 16:47 usopsama wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2017 16:46 starkiller123 wrote:On July 29 2017 16:43 usopsama wrote:On July 29 2017 16:40 starkiller123 wrote:On July 29 2017 16:39 Mun_Su wrote:On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote: The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board. They should give reapers stim and remove grenade then. And permanent cloak They should unnerf Tempest back to 22 range. While they are at it, they should give the Colossus and adepts 22 range as well. Liberators should be able to move faster than oracles while in seige mode and shoot and move, it's common sense As long as all zerg units have 8 armors, including drones.
No argument here
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You guys really find reapers more abusive than say, the proxy photon overcharge rush?
I just don't get the hate on reapers, if you could just a move and cheese with em, it would make sense to me.
If you nerf the reaper, whats the point of the unit anymore? Seriously, it kills nothing but lingsand drones. If this were a TvT complaint it would make much more sense to me.
I couldn't stand invulnerable nydus all ins when they were all the rage..... you would see guys like TY cheeesed out by it all the time.... I think you guys should admit you just don't like BYUN, lol which is fine.... My thing is the players should be able to stop this.
You know people KEEP saying it's not BYUN reapers that are OP. They banned me cause I made a lot of post illustrating how sOO destroyed Marus reapers in GSL. But here he struggles vs Byuns reapers, but people still wanna make it about the REAPER, AND not BYUN
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On July 29 2017 16:10 Finch518 wrote: Well I think its safe to say Blizzard will go forward with Reaper changes. We said that every time they ruined a series for more than a year
On July 29 2017 16:22 Topdoller wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2017 16:18 jackacea wrote:On July 29 2017 16:12 romson87 wrote:One unit ruining the best match-up.. So true, it went from beeing my favorite to least favorite As to reapers they cant nerf it because of one player who is exceptional at early game micro imho Yeah this Byunuthermalmarugumihokelazhur guy is just a better player than the other terrans.
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You don't see Innova doing it, do you nerf mech cause gumiho is a God with it? In fact, is it mech good, or is it just Gumiho Is a god with it? I watched Ryung crush Penguin with it twice, then somehow STILLNOT make it ti IEM.
People were crying about GSL vs the World, and gumiho gets knocked out by the Chinese zerg. Where was the unbeatable mech there? Yall still crying over Bullsshit man.....
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On July 29 2017 16:57 DBooN wrote: Yeah this Byunuthermalmarugumihokelazhur guy is just a better player than the other terrans.
Well Byunuthermalmarugumihokelazhur did win Blizzcon last year using the heavy reaper style and no other terrans did!
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On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote: The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board.
Blizzard "missing their original design goal and refusing to go back to the drawing board"? Haha. Hahahaha. No. That's never happened. Not once in the history of StarCraft 2 has that been the case. :D
But don't worry, at this rate we'll be getting yet another "rework" in about 18 months' time that will yet again ignore community suggestions in favour of some bizarre off-handed bandaid that still doesn't fix the fundamental problems.
+ Show Spoiler [Disclaimer] +By the way, I'm personally not that salty about Reapers as others are (though I obviously understand why they feel that way), it's just that I strongly agree with Elentos' post and this is easily one of SC2's biggest problems over the last 7 years, if not more if we're considering WoL's development as well.
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blizzcon in 3 years might not be a big motivation source for an up and coming sc2 player sadly
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On July 29 2017 17:09 Isualin wrote: blizzcon in 3 years might not be a big motivation source for an up and coming sc2 player sadly
Ok?
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We can criticize the Chinese IEM for some mistakes, but one thing they are doing well - the VODs from today are already availble at youtube. Such speed!!!
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On July 29 2017 17:14 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2017 17:09 Isualin wrote: blizzcon in 3 years might not be a big motivation source for an up and coming sc2 player sadly Ok? This is my bad, i was watching the stream without noticing it was a rerun. Artosis said something like we might see TIME at blizzcon in 2-3 years
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just watched soo vs byun, just wanna pop by and say terran is stupid and imba
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On July 29 2017 18:13 Aocowns wrote: just watched soo vs byun, just wanna pop by and say terran is stupid and imba
this is not the "letting of steam thread" you know?....
is there anything ppl DONT complain about? - first adepts, then sh, now the reaper?...seriously,..just ban all the units and make it "rock paper scissors -craft 2"...but i bet even then ppl will complain like " rock tooo stronk!!!"...jeez ppl..
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On July 29 2017 18:34 DocSchlakk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2017 18:13 Aocowns wrote: just watched soo vs byun, just wanna pop by and say terran is stupid and imba this is not the "letting of steam thread" you know?.... is there anything ppl DONT complain about? - first adepts, then sh, now the reaper?...seriously,..just ban all the units and make it "rock paper scissors -craft 2"...but i bet even then ppl will complain like " rock tooo stronk!!!"...jeez ppl..
Please don't forget the imba carriers, the imba teleporting battlecruisers, and the imba ravens with their seeker missiles.
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On July 29 2017 18:13 Aocowns wrote: just watched soo vs byun, just wanna pop by and say terran is stupid and imba i was delighted even if beforehand i thought soO would make it
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On July 29 2017 17:04 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote: The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board. Blizzard "missing their original design goal and refusing to go back to the drawing board"? Haha. Hahahaha. No. That's never happened. Not once in the history of StarCraft 2 has that been the case. :D Yeah that's why Warhounds and HERCs are still in the game, right?
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Just saw the VODs, great games by ByuN
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On July 29 2017 18:46 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2017 17:04 207aicila wrote:On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote: The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board. Blizzard "missing their original design goal and refusing to go back to the drawing board"? Haha. Hahahaha. No. That's never happened. Not once in the history of StarCraft 2 has that been the case. :D Yeah that's why Warhounds and HERCs are still in the game, right?
Well yeah they removed the most catastrophic ones, but all the insidious problems have remained. Good job cherry picking two of the very few examples of them scrapping ideas that would very clearly have crippled the game.
I mean I could literally just say "brood lord infestor for almost an entire year" and just win the argument, but there are way way more that may be slightly less obvious.
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