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starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
July 29 2017 07:46 GMT
#581
On July 29 2017 16:43 usopsama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 16:40 starkiller123 wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:39 Mun_Su wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote:
The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board.



They should give reapers stim and remove grenade then.


And permanent cloak


They should unnerf Tempest back to 22 range.

While they are at it, they should give the Colossus and adepts 22 range as well.


Liberators should be able to move faster than oracles while in seige mode and shoot and move, it's common sense
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
July 29 2017 07:47 GMT
#582
On July 29 2017 16:46 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 16:43 usopsama wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:40 starkiller123 wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:39 Mun_Su wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote:
The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board.



They should give reapers stim and remove grenade then.


And permanent cloak


They should unnerf Tempest back to 22 range.

While they are at it, they should give the Colossus and adepts 22 range as well.


Liberators should be able to move faster than oracles while in seige mode and shoot and move, it's common sense

As long as all zerg units have 8 armors, including drones.
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
July 29 2017 07:47 GMT
#583
On July 29 2017 16:47 usopsama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 16:46 starkiller123 wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:43 usopsama wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:40 starkiller123 wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:39 Mun_Su wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote:
The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board.



They should give reapers stim and remove grenade then.


And permanent cloak


They should unnerf Tempest back to 22 range.

While they are at it, they should give the Colossus and adepts 22 range as well.


Liberators should be able to move faster than oracles while in seige mode and shoot and move, it's common sense

As long as all zerg units have 8 armors, including drones.


No argument here
SpaWnvERtiGO
Profile Joined November 2016
110 Posts
July 29 2017 07:56 GMT
#584
You guys really find reapers more abusive than say, the proxy photon overcharge rush?

I just don't get the hate on reapers, if you could just a move and cheese with em, it would make sense to me.

If you nerf the reaper, whats the point of the unit anymore? Seriously, it kills nothing but lingsand drones. If this were a TvT complaint it would make much more sense to me.

I couldn't stand invulnerable nydus all ins when they were all the rage..... you would see guys like TY cheeesed out by it all the time....

I think you guys should admit you just don't like BYUN, lol which is fine.... My thing is the players should be able to stop this.

You know people KEEP saying it's not BYUN reapers that are OP. They banned me cause I made a lot of post illustrating how sOO destroyed Marus reapers in GSL. But here he struggles vs Byuns reapers, but people still wanna make it about the REAPER, AND not BYUN
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
July 29 2017 07:57 GMT
#585
On July 29 2017 16:10 Finch518 wrote:
Well I think its safe to say Blizzard will go forward with Reaper changes.

We said that every time they ruined a series for more than a year

On July 29 2017 16:22 Topdoller wrote:
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On July 29 2017 16:18 jackacea wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:12 romson87 wrote:
One unit ruining the best match-up..

So true, it went from beeing my favorite to least favorite

As to reapers they cant nerf it because of one player who is exceptional at early
game micro imho

Yeah this Byunuthermalmarugumihokelazhur guy is just a better player than the other terrans.
SpaWnvERtiGO
Profile Joined November 2016
110 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-29 08:00:38
July 29 2017 08:00 GMT
#586
You don't see Innova doing it, do you nerf mech cause gumiho is a God with it? In fact, is it mech good, or is it just Gumiho Is a god with it? I watched Ryung crush Penguin with it twice, then somehow STILLNOT make it ti IEM.

People were crying about GSL vs the World, and gumiho gets knocked out by the Chinese zerg. Where was the unbeatable mech there? Yall still crying over Bullsshit man.....
rednusa
Profile Joined October 2012
651 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-29 08:03:19
July 29 2017 08:02 GMT
#587
On July 29 2017 16:57 DBooN wrote:
Yeah this Byunuthermalmarugumihokelazhur guy is just a better player than the other terrans.


Well Byunuthermalmarugumihokelazhur did win Blizzcon last year using the heavy reaper style and no other terrans did!
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-29 08:04:58
July 29 2017 08:04 GMT
#588
On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote:
The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board.


Blizzard "missing their original design goal and refusing to go back to the drawing board"? Haha. Hahahaha. No. That's never happened. Not once in the history of StarCraft 2 has that been the case. :D

But don't worry, at this rate we'll be getting yet another "rework" in about 18 months' time that will yet again ignore community suggestions in favour of some bizarre off-handed bandaid that still doesn't fix the fundamental problems.

+ Show Spoiler [Disclaimer] +
By the way, I'm personally not that salty about Reapers as others are (though I obviously understand why they feel that way), it's just that I strongly agree with Elentos' post and this is easily one of SC2's biggest problems over the last 7 years, if not more if we're considering WoL's development as well.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
July 29 2017 08:09 GMT
#589
blizzcon in 3 years might not be a big motivation source for an up and coming sc2 player sadly
| INnoVation | The literal god TY | ByuNjwa | LRSL when? |
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
July 29 2017 08:14 GMT
#590
On July 29 2017 17:09 Isualin wrote:
blizzcon in 3 years might not be a big motivation source for an up and coming sc2 player sadly


Ok?
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
July 29 2017 08:17 GMT
#591
We can criticize the Chinese IEM for some mistakes, but one thing they are doing well - the VODs from today are already availble at youtube. Such speed!!!
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
July 29 2017 08:23 GMT
#592
On July 29 2017 17:14 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 17:09 Isualin wrote:
blizzcon in 3 years might not be a big motivation source for an up and coming sc2 player sadly


Ok?

This is my bad, i was watching the stream without noticing it was a rerun. Artosis said something like we might see TIME at blizzcon in 2-3 years
| INnoVation | The literal god TY | ByuNjwa | LRSL when? |
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 29 2017 09:13 GMT
#593
just watched soo vs byun, just wanna pop by and say terran is stupid and imba
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
DocSchlakk
Profile Joined January 2013
Austria172 Posts
July 29 2017 09:34 GMT
#594
On July 29 2017 18:13 Aocowns wrote:
just watched soo vs byun, just wanna pop by and say terran is stupid and imba


this is not the "letting of steam thread" you know?....

is there anything ppl DONT complain about? - first adepts, then sh, now the reaper?...seriously,..just ban all the units and make it "rock paper scissors -craft 2"...but i bet even then ppl will complain like " rock tooo stronk!!!"...jeez ppl..
"Heroes don`t do drugs!....except Drugman, I guess!?"
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary485 Posts
July 29 2017 09:37 GMT
#595
On July 29 2017 18:34 DocSchlakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 18:13 Aocowns wrote:
just watched soo vs byun, just wanna pop by and say terran is stupid and imba


this is not the "letting of steam thread" you know?....

is there anything ppl DONT complain about? - first adepts, then sh, now the reaper?...seriously,..just ban all the units and make it "rock paper scissors -craft 2"...but i bet even then ppl will complain like " rock tooo stronk!!!"...jeez ppl..


Please don't forget the imba carriers, the imba teleporting battlecruisers, and the imba ravens with their seeker missiles.
Why so serious?
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
July 29 2017 09:42 GMT
#596
On July 29 2017 18:13 Aocowns wrote:
just watched soo vs byun, just wanna pop by and say terran is stupid and imba

i was delighted even if beforehand i thought soO would make it
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16024 Posts
July 29 2017 09:46 GMT
#597
On July 29 2017 17:04 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote:
The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board.


Blizzard "missing their original design goal and refusing to go back to the drawing board"? Haha. Hahahaha. No. That's never happened. Not once in the history of StarCraft 2 has that been the case. :D

Yeah that's why Warhounds and HERCs are still in the game, right?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
July 29 2017 09:58 GMT
#598
Just saw the VODs, great games by ByuN
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207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-29 10:01:56
July 29 2017 10:00 GMT
#599
On July 29 2017 18:46 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 17:04 207aicila wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote:
The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board.


Blizzard "missing their original design goal and refusing to go back to the drawing board"? Haha. Hahahaha. No. That's never happened. Not once in the history of StarCraft 2 has that been the case. :D

Yeah that's why Warhounds and HERCs are still in the game, right?


Well yeah they removed the most catastrophic ones, but all the insidious problems have remained. Good job cherry picking two of the very few examples of them scrapping ideas that would very clearly have crippled the game.

I mean I could literally just say "brood lord infestor for almost an entire year" and just win the argument, but there are way way more that may be slightly less obvious.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
July 29 2017 10:15 GMT
#600
soO's ZvT still bad lol
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
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