• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:55
CEST 06:55
KST 13:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play2Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon85.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes17Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch2[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)98
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool ProGamer Paychecks Story BW General Discussion Best thing happen to StarCraft since Remastered? Data needed
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
[94721]Better Good-Health Signs Than 3-15 Bans/Yea TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3985 users

[IEM XII] Shanghai 2017 - Quarter Finals - Page 30

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 28 29 30 31 32 Next All
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
July 29 2017 07:46 GMT
#581
On July 29 2017 16:43 usopsama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 16:40 starkiller123 wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:39 Mun_Su wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote:
The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board.



They should give reapers stim and remove grenade then.


And permanent cloak


They should unnerf Tempest back to 22 range.

While they are at it, they should give the Colossus and adepts 22 range as well.


Liberators should be able to move faster than oracles while in seige mode and shoot and move, it's common sense
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
July 29 2017 07:47 GMT
#582
On July 29 2017 16:46 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 16:43 usopsama wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:40 starkiller123 wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:39 Mun_Su wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote:
The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board.



They should give reapers stim and remove grenade then.


And permanent cloak


They should unnerf Tempest back to 22 range.

While they are at it, they should give the Colossus and adepts 22 range as well.


Liberators should be able to move faster than oracles while in seige mode and shoot and move, it's common sense

As long as all zerg units have 8 armors, including drones.
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
July 29 2017 07:47 GMT
#583
On July 29 2017 16:47 usopsama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 16:46 starkiller123 wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:43 usopsama wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:40 starkiller123 wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:39 Mun_Su wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote:
The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board.



They should give reapers stim and remove grenade then.


And permanent cloak


They should unnerf Tempest back to 22 range.

While they are at it, they should give the Colossus and adepts 22 range as well.


Liberators should be able to move faster than oracles while in seige mode and shoot and move, it's common sense

As long as all zerg units have 8 armors, including drones.


No argument here
SpaWnvERtiGO
Profile Joined November 2016
110 Posts
July 29 2017 07:56 GMT
#584
You guys really find reapers more abusive than say, the proxy photon overcharge rush?

I just don't get the hate on reapers, if you could just a move and cheese with em, it would make sense to me.

If you nerf the reaper, whats the point of the unit anymore? Seriously, it kills nothing but lingsand drones. If this were a TvT complaint it would make much more sense to me.

I couldn't stand invulnerable nydus all ins when they were all the rage..... you would see guys like TY cheeesed out by it all the time....

I think you guys should admit you just don't like BYUN, lol which is fine.... My thing is the players should be able to stop this.

You know people KEEP saying it's not BYUN reapers that are OP. They banned me cause I made a lot of post illustrating how sOO destroyed Marus reapers in GSL. But here he struggles vs Byuns reapers, but people still wanna make it about the REAPER, AND not BYUN
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
July 29 2017 07:57 GMT
#585
On July 29 2017 16:10 Finch518 wrote:
Well I think its safe to say Blizzard will go forward with Reaper changes.

We said that every time they ruined a series for more than a year

On July 29 2017 16:22 Topdoller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 16:18 jackacea wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:12 romson87 wrote:
One unit ruining the best match-up..

So true, it went from beeing my favorite to least favorite

As to reapers they cant nerf it because of one player who is exceptional at early
game micro imho

Yeah this Byunuthermalmarugumihokelazhur guy is just a better player than the other terrans.
SpaWnvERtiGO
Profile Joined November 2016
110 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-29 08:00:38
July 29 2017 08:00 GMT
#586
You don't see Innova doing it, do you nerf mech cause gumiho is a God with it? In fact, is it mech good, or is it just Gumiho Is a god with it? I watched Ryung crush Penguin with it twice, then somehow STILLNOT make it ti IEM.

People were crying about GSL vs the World, and gumiho gets knocked out by the Chinese zerg. Where was the unbeatable mech there? Yall still crying over Bullsshit man.....
rednusa
Profile Joined October 2012
651 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-29 08:03:19
July 29 2017 08:02 GMT
#587
On July 29 2017 16:57 DBooN wrote:
Yeah this Byunuthermalmarugumihokelazhur guy is just a better player than the other terrans.


Well Byunuthermalmarugumihokelazhur did win Blizzcon last year using the heavy reaper style and no other terrans did!
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-29 08:04:58
July 29 2017 08:04 GMT
#588
On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote:
The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board.


Blizzard "missing their original design goal and refusing to go back to the drawing board"? Haha. Hahahaha. No. That's never happened. Not once in the history of StarCraft 2 has that been the case. :D

But don't worry, at this rate we'll be getting yet another "rework" in about 18 months' time that will yet again ignore community suggestions in favour of some bizarre off-handed bandaid that still doesn't fix the fundamental problems.

+ Show Spoiler [Disclaimer] +
By the way, I'm personally not that salty about Reapers as others are (though I obviously understand why they feel that way), it's just that I strongly agree with Elentos' post and this is easily one of SC2's biggest problems over the last 7 years, if not more if we're considering WoL's development as well.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
TL+ Member
Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
July 29 2017 08:09 GMT
#589
blizzcon in 3 years might not be a big motivation source for an up and coming sc2 player sadly
| INnoVation | The literal god TY | ByuNjwa | LRSL when? |
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
July 29 2017 08:14 GMT
#590
On July 29 2017 17:09 Isualin wrote:
blizzcon in 3 years might not be a big motivation source for an up and coming sc2 player sadly


Ok?
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
July 29 2017 08:17 GMT
#591
We can criticize the Chinese IEM for some mistakes, but one thing they are doing well - the VODs from today are already availble at youtube. Such speed!!!
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
July 29 2017 08:23 GMT
#592
On July 29 2017 17:14 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 17:09 Isualin wrote:
blizzcon in 3 years might not be a big motivation source for an up and coming sc2 player sadly


Ok?

This is my bad, i was watching the stream without noticing it was a rerun. Artosis said something like we might see TIME at blizzcon in 2-3 years
| INnoVation | The literal god TY | ByuNjwa | LRSL when? |
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 29 2017 09:13 GMT
#593
just watched soo vs byun, just wanna pop by and say terran is stupid and imba
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
DocSchlakk
Profile Joined January 2013
Austria172 Posts
July 29 2017 09:34 GMT
#594
On July 29 2017 18:13 Aocowns wrote:
just watched soo vs byun, just wanna pop by and say terran is stupid and imba


this is not the "letting of steam thread" you know?....

is there anything ppl DONT complain about? - first adepts, then sh, now the reaper?...seriously,..just ban all the units and make it "rock paper scissors -craft 2"...but i bet even then ppl will complain like " rock tooo stronk!!!"...jeez ppl..
"Heroes don`t do drugs!....except Drugman, I guess!?"
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary490 Posts
July 29 2017 09:37 GMT
#595
On July 29 2017 18:34 DocSchlakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 18:13 Aocowns wrote:
just watched soo vs byun, just wanna pop by and say terran is stupid and imba


this is not the "letting of steam thread" you know?....

is there anything ppl DONT complain about? - first adepts, then sh, now the reaper?...seriously,..just ban all the units and make it "rock paper scissors -craft 2"...but i bet even then ppl will complain like " rock tooo stronk!!!"...jeez ppl..


Please don't forget the imba carriers, the imba teleporting battlecruisers, and the imba ravens with their seeker missiles.
Why so serious?
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
July 29 2017 09:42 GMT
#596
On July 29 2017 18:13 Aocowns wrote:
just watched soo vs byun, just wanna pop by and say terran is stupid and imba

i was delighted even if beforehand i thought soO would make it
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16081 Posts
July 29 2017 09:46 GMT
#597
On July 29 2017 17:04 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote:
The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board.


Blizzard "missing their original design goal and refusing to go back to the drawing board"? Haha. Hahahaha. No. That's never happened. Not once in the history of StarCraft 2 has that been the case. :D

Yeah that's why Warhounds and HERCs are still in the game, right?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
July 29 2017 09:58 GMT
#598
Just saw the VODs, great games by ByuN
Community News
TL+ Member
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-29 10:01:56
July 29 2017 10:00 GMT
#599
On July 29 2017 18:46 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2017 17:04 207aicila wrote:
On July 29 2017 16:33 Elentos wrote:
The most striking thing about the reaper grenade is really that they missed their original design goal - to give reapers more strength in the mid- and late game instead of having it just be used in the early game or for cheese - by a hundred miles but refused to go back to the drawing board.


Blizzard "missing their original design goal and refusing to go back to the drawing board"? Haha. Hahahaha. No. That's never happened. Not once in the history of StarCraft 2 has that been the case. :D

Yeah that's why Warhounds and HERCs are still in the game, right?


Well yeah they removed the most catastrophic ones, but all the insidious problems have remained. Good job cherry picking two of the very few examples of them scrapping ideas that would very clearly have crippled the game.

I mean I could literally just say "brood lord infestor for almost an entire year" and just win the argument, but there are way way more that may be slightly less obvious.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
TL+ Member
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
July 29 2017 10:15 GMT
#600
soO's ZvT still bad lol
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Prev 1 28 29 30 31 32 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Cup
00:00
#88
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 464
RuFF_SC2 187
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 3209
GuemChi 3126
Shuttle 982
Tasteless 73
Dewaltoss 68
sSak 35
ZergMaN 24
Bale 20
Noble 16
Icarus 8
[ Show more ]
Movie 1
Dota 2
LuMiX0
League of Legends
JimRising 727
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox625
Other Games
summit1g9125
C9.Mang0627
Sick197
ViBE154
Maynarde91
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1061
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream262
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1136
• Rush1088
• Stunt381
Upcoming Events
Kung Fu Cup
6h 5m
Replay Cast
19h 5m
CrankTV Team League
1d 6h
Bombastic Starleague
1d 15h
The PondCast
2 days
HomeStory Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
HomeStory Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
HomeStory Cup
4 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S3
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Heroes Pulsing #3
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.