EPTAt least it won't be another 2nd place for soO^^
I'm curious to see how rogue will deal with reaper micro of Byun. Recently rogue is pretty impressive
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i-MajiN
France113 Posts
At least it won't be another 2nd place for soO^^ I'm curious to see how rogue will deal with reaper micro of Byun. Recently rogue is pretty impressive | ||
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ShAd_1337
Germany1042 Posts
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
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SpaWnvERtiGO
110 Posts
If you saw rogues games vs Marus at WESG qualifiers, you would swear on a stack of bibles the 2-1-1 was imba.... | ||
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SpaWnvERtiGO
110 Posts
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On July 29 2017 20:04 SpaWnvERtiGO wrote: I'm still trying to figure out how you lose 30 drones to hellions, I guess we should nerf hellions too cause some zerg got smashed by a hellions opening... Unfortunately for you people are not strawmen and only complain about broken garbage like reapers. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 29 2017 20:04 SpaWnvERtiGO wrote: I'm still trying to figure out how you lose 30 drones to hellions, I guess we should nerf hellions too cause some zerg got smashed by a hellions opening... They did nerf blue flame openings though | ||
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VHbb
692 Posts
Are you not able to enjoy anything? Just.. enjoy some entertainment without having to start with the snarky comments and the petty remarks.. ? | ||
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yhellothere12
46 Posts
On July 30 2017 00:29 VHbb wrote: I will NEVER understand how some people watch an amazing tournament, with some of the best players in the world, and instead of enjoying the game, they come here to whine about balance / design / whatever.. Are you not able to enjoy anything? Just.. enjoy some entertainment without having to start with the snarky comments and the petty remarks.. ? This so much. I swear.... any time a player of either race wins a battle in a match it's a flood of "omg X race so imba". And any time a player loses, everyone just starts saying the PRO player is BAD. Can people just enjoy the games? | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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Topin
Peru10121 Posts
On July 30 2017 01:00 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches? ia vs TY G1 and G2 inno vs hero G5 rogue vs dark g1 soo vs byun g3 | ||
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killerm12
Slovakia601 Posts
On July 29 2017 15:56 usopsama wrote: The one trick pony is getting rekted even after going mass reapers???????? how does it feel to be completely wrong? | ||
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Kaizor
Singapore909 Posts
On July 29 2017 16:56 SpaWnvERtiGO wrote: You guys really find reapers more abusive than say, the proxy photon overcharge rush? I just don't get the hate on reapers, if you could just a move and cheese with em, it would make sense to me. If you nerf the reaper, whats the point of the unit anymore? Seriously, it kills nothing but lingsand drones. If this were a TvT complaint it would make much more sense to me. I couldn't stand invulnerable nydus all ins when they were all the rage..... you would see guys like TY cheeesed out by it all the time.... I think you guys should admit you just don't like BYUN, lol which is fine.... My thing is the players should be able to stop this. You know people KEEP saying it's not BYUN reapers that are OP. They banned me cause I made a lot of post illustrating how sOO destroyed Marus reapers in GSL. But here he struggles vs Byuns reapers, but people still wanna make it about the REAPER, AND not BYUN I gave up on convincing people with facts and numbers. I had a detailed post with aligulac records and numbers and percentages and people just ignored it and refused to look at the numbers. And all the bs on uthermal kelazhur major blah blah blah. Really? Out of all the players people claim to abuse reapers, Byun is the ONLY one that has won significant tournaments because of it. In Europe, when we talk about the very best players, we have Elazer, Showtime, Nerchio, Snute, Serral. uThermal is nowhere near the conversation. In America, most would recognize Neeb as the clear Top player with Major, Scarlett and Kelazhur close. And come on, who won the last WCS? Elazer !! A Zerg !! If reapers are really so breaking, Terrans should be winning everything !! This isn't like gglord/winfestor. That was broken because zerg was winning everything with it at its peak !! Suddenly every top player in the scene at that time and up and comers were all zerg ! Those units were broken. It is not like Terrans are winning everything with reapers. We don't even see foreigner terrans dominate the scene with it. Sure they win some games against Zerg with it. But i have also seen Korean zergs completely shut it off when other terrans try it. Good example would be Maru. He just wasn't good enough at it. I still stick to my point. It is not reapers which is OP. It is Byun. Some people are hating on it just because they don't like to see people win games with Micro. But guess what. A lot of people also enjoying seeing Micro skill instead of just Macro skills. And some more numbers for the haters. http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/ June 2017, out of 1546 games, TvZ win rate : 47.15% May 2017, out of 1684 games, TvZ win rate : 47.15% April 2017, out of 1597 games, TvZ win rate : 49.03% March 2017, out of 1406 games, TvZ win rate : 48.08% In fact you had to go back to Jan 2017 before Terrans had a over 50% win rate over Zergs. But yeah, people would just ignore it. This is why people like trump become president. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 30 2017 00:50 yhellothere12 wrote: This so much. I swear.... any time a player of either race wins a battle in a match it's a flood of "omg X race so imba". And any time a player loses, everyone just starts saying the PRO player is BAD. Can people just enjoy the games? Thing is, whenever something is legit imbalanced, there are always comments like this. "just because someone lost to it doesn't mean it's imbalanced", "just enjoy the games" No one's saying reapers need a nerf because soO lost to ByuN, its that its almost impossible for any zerg to trade cost efficiently against 3RR if controlled right. | ||
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yhellothere12
46 Posts
On July 30 2017 01:44 Fango wrote: Thing is, whenever something is legit imbalanced, there are always comments like this. "just because someone lost to it doesn't mean it's imbalanced", "just enjoy the games" No one's saying reapers need a nerf because soO lost to ByuN, its that its almost impossible for any zerg to trade cost efficiently against 3RR if controlled right. Fango, the problem with your argument is that most people will enter the conversation with their minds made up and take whatever 'evidence' they can find to fit the argument they want to make, and ignore the rest. If you're debating something is 'legit imbalanced', you have to have statistics or some way of backing your argument up. It can't be that it simply 'seems' broken. Kaizor in the post above you, as well as many others have already brought the numbers into the mix, and it just does not seem to support the argument that this imbalance exists. | ||
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
However, I don find it a legitimate strategy. It does look like he perfected it as much as humanly possible | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
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droppanda
Australia176 Posts
Even when other top level players try it like Maru, he'll lose more than half the times he does. Let's just ignore that - reaper OP, reaper OP, reaper OP! Is it fair that a unit is nerfed because ONE player is amazing at it? Should this happen everytime some player masters a particular unit? All this whine is stupid. Instead of being amazed at how good byun is with reapers, people are crying the unit is OP when it clearly isn't if you look at average win rates across ALL players. Which is what you should be doing. | ||
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8252 Posts
On July 30 2017 02:28 Sakat wrote: We should have increased the cost of marines because of Bomber But Bomber has his law to back him up | ||
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