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[WCS] Valencia 2017 - Round of 16 - Page 2

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azunyashka
Profile Joined October 2011
Russian Federation7 Posts
July 14 2017 04:24 GMT
#21
i am dissatisfied because players from open bracket were playing ~10 hours straight, and ro32 matches were streamed poorly
Houkago Tea Team!
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
July 14 2017 05:09 GMT
#22
+ Show Spoiler +
IT'S NOT GROUP STAGE IT'S PLAYOFFS THIS IS TRIGGERING ME SO MUCH
Faker is the GOAT!
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
July 14 2017 05:21 GMT
#23
Pande you dun fucked up with that thread title
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 05:32:05
July 14 2017 05:31 GMT
#24
I'm not sure if anyone has pointed it out already, but day 2 is bracket stage.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12045 Posts
July 14 2017 06:35 GMT
#25
Btw I'm not sure it's exactly fair that in order to advance in WCS points in a bracket if you have a low amount of points, you have to beat someone who has all the points. Seems like it makes it very likely that the order of the ranking won't change much. On top of that it makes it likely that we see the same matches over and over again but I'm more concerned for the players than us.
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
bulya
Profile Joined February 2016
Israel386 Posts
July 14 2017 06:35 GMT
#26
On July 14 2017 08:10 Major wrote:
Its a big mess tbh im
Seed 2 but in reallity i should be seed 3 because u cant count current gsl season 3 wcs points if u want to keep consintenesy lkme the whole ty vs gumiho on gsl vs the world since if they did cljnt current points it would be gumiho invited Over tt


TY can still earn the points Gumiho earned as the difference is that TY's group is played later.
Nerchio, on the other hand, can't gain any points from the current GSL while you will, so this is a bit of a different story.

Although I didn't know WCS kr points count for the circuit as well.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
July 14 2017 06:48 GMT
#27
On July 14 2017 14:31 Ej_ wrote:
I'm not sure if anyone has pointed it out already, but day 2 is bracket stage.


On July 14 2017 14:09 AzAlexZ wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
IT'S NOT GROUP STAGE IT'S PLAYOFFS THIS IS TRIGGERING ME SO MUCH


On July 14 2017 08:52 Tesarul wrote:
Also it's not Group Stage day 2 it's the playoffs.


On July 14 2017 07:40 AzAlexZ wrote:
wtf, so Neeb eliminates TLO 3 season in a row and bumps in to Major 3 times in a row in the Ro8, FeelsBad for TLO (and Major is Neeb wins again)
also it's not group stage day 2 anymore LOL
and WTF SHOWTIME!

Faker is the GOAT!
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
July 14 2017 06:50 GMT
#28
On July 14 2017 15:35 bulya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 08:10 Major wrote:
Its a big mess tbh im
Seed 2 but in reallity i should be seed 3 because u cant count current gsl season 3 wcs points if u want to keep consintenesy lkme the whole ty vs gumiho on gsl vs the world since if they did cljnt current points it would be gumiho invited Over tt


TY can still earn the points Gumiho earned as the difference is that TY's group is played later.
Nerchio, on the other hand, can't gain any points from the current GSL while you will, so this is a bit of a different story.

Although I didn't know WCS kr points count for the circuit as well.

They don't. Scarlett, Major, Elazer, Time and Noregret have WCS Korea points and WCS Circuit points but they are not combined
Faker is the GOAT!
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 07:34:04
July 14 2017 07:33 GMT
#29


Looks like the groups are going to stand (which makes sense since it would just cause more confusion to change them after they were announced)
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 08:20:50
July 14 2017 07:38 GMT
#30
Yo i had to make the thread before i went to bed i was many tired, but there is others than can help T_T
It is done now
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55458 Posts
July 14 2017 07:39 GMT
#31
On July 14 2017 16:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
https://twitter.com/Steisjo/status/885755905568067588

Looks like the groups are going to stand (which makes sense since it would just cause more confusion to change them after they were announced)

Well good, this bracket already killed my interest in the tournament, now I don't have to reconsider.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
July 14 2017 07:41 GMT
#32
On July 14 2017 15:50 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 15:35 bulya wrote:
On July 14 2017 08:10 Major wrote:
Its a big mess tbh im
Seed 2 but in reallity i should be seed 3 because u cant count current gsl season 3 wcs points if u want to keep consintenesy lkme the whole ty vs gumiho on gsl vs the world since if they did cljnt current points it would be gumiho invited Over tt


TY can still earn the points Gumiho earned as the difference is that TY's group is played later.
Nerchio, on the other hand, can't gain any points from the current GSL while you will, so this is a bit of a different story.

Although I didn't know WCS kr points count for the circuit as well.

They don't. Scarlett, Major, Elazer, Time and Noregret have WCS Korea points and WCS Circuit points but they are not combined

They are combined for seeding xd and they are wrong in my
Opinion but alas
Progamer
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 14 2017 07:49 GMT
#33
On July 14 2017 16:41 Major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 15:50 AzAlexZ wrote:
On July 14 2017 15:35 bulya wrote:
On July 14 2017 08:10 Major wrote:
Its a big mess tbh im
Seed 2 but in reallity i should be seed 3 because u cant count current gsl season 3 wcs points if u want to keep consintenesy lkme the whole ty vs gumiho on gsl vs the world since if they did cljnt current points it would be gumiho invited Over tt


TY can still earn the points Gumiho earned as the difference is that TY's group is played later.
Nerchio, on the other hand, can't gain any points from the current GSL while you will, so this is a bit of a different story.

Although I didn't know WCS kr points count for the circuit as well.

They don't. Scarlett, Major, Elazer, Time and Noregret have WCS Korea points and WCS Circuit points but they are not combined

They are combined for seeding xd and they are wrong in my
Opinion but alas


Well, Dreamhack isn't required to have a format that makes sense. At least there's no coin tosses anymore.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 14 2017 07:51 GMT
#34
On July 14 2017 16:39 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 16:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
https://twitter.com/Steisjo/status/885755905568067588

Looks like the groups are going to stand (which makes sense since it would just cause more confusion to change them after they were announced)

Well good, this bracket already killed my interest in the tournament, now I don't have to reconsider.

Aren't you excited for the absolutely accidental Serral vs Neeb final?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 08:15:12
July 14 2017 08:14 GMT
#35
It is sad that the two Zergs, I am cheering for, have to play each other. Go Scarlett! Go Snute!
Plus of course: Go Stephano! Go Has!
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55458 Posts
July 14 2017 08:23 GMT
#36
On July 14 2017 16:51 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2017 16:39 Elentos wrote:
On July 14 2017 16:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
https://twitter.com/Steisjo/status/885755905568067588

Looks like the groups are going to stand (which makes sense since it would just cause more confusion to change them after they were announced)

Well good, this bracket already killed my interest in the tournament, now I don't have to reconsider.

Aren't you excited for the absolutely accidental Serral vs Neeb final?

No, I don't feel like watching the same tournament every month.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
July 14 2017 09:02 GMT
#37
I would enjoy Serral vs Neeb again.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Deleted User 207082
Profile Joined August 2011
18 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 09:06:13
July 14 2017 09:04 GMT
#38
So players from the same group can be on the same side of the bracket (Snute/Neeb and Elazer/Cloudy Liquipedia)? What's the deal with that? Doesn't that go against the format's idea?

Edit: Haven't really been following that much WCS so that might be the norm now, but as a quick look feels weird.
Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1194 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 09:24:45
July 14 2017 09:22 GMT
#39
On July 14 2017 18:04 LefaLefa wrote:
So players from the same group can be on the same side of the bracket

Traditionally no, but in this case they use WCS points to seed players into the bracket, which kinda means the group stage is just a qualifier, and the bracket stage is a separate tournament.

As others have pointed out, using WCS points for bracket seeding means we will see the same kind of bracket often, as almost every player is in each tournament where those WCS points could be acquired, and differences could be made. However, this speaks volumes about the consistency of the top players, if they keep reaching the same results over and over again. This would also mean there is very little luck involved in pro matches which is nice, right.

It sucks seeing the same matches repeat but if they insist on using this kind of seeding, and not random pairing from he groups, then WCS points is probably the most accurate and transparent form of seeding we currently have, as Aligulac and Ladder points will not do.
starcraft2.fi
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12045 Posts
July 14 2017 09:35 GMT
#40
It speaks to their consistency but it also doesn't. Neeb's consistency is impressive but I'd be a lot more impressed if he had done this out of killing everyone rather than TLO and Major a lot. We haven't had Neeb Scarlett in WCS proper since august 2016...
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
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