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+ Show Spoiler +2017 will be a busy year for StarCraft II with everyone fighting for a slot at the WCS Global Finals. Of the 16 players that will eventually qualify for the US$500,000 final, eight will come from the various DreamHack stops during the WCS Circuit: Austin, Summer, Valencia, and Montreal. Each of the WCS Circuit stops will have its own WCS Challenger event, allowing eight players from EU and NA to secure their tickets to the WCS Circuit. ESL and Blizzard are partnering up to bring you the biggest WCS Challenger yet, with 32 days of broadcast throughout the year and $80,000 in prizing between North America and Europe. The format Four WCS Challenger events will be hosted in 2017 with the best players earning WCS Points and prize money, as well as winning travel and accommodation for the respective WCS Circuit event. WCS Challenger #1 -> WCS Austin, April 28-30 WCS Challenger #2 -> WCS Jönköping, June 17-19 WCS Challenger #3 -> WCS Valencia, July 13-15 WCS Challenger #4 -> WCS Montreal, September 8-10 Each of the WCS Challenger events will be a week-long affair to determine the eight players, four from EU and four from NA, that will make the trip to their respective WCS Circuit tournament. The top players of the in-game ladder will automatically qualify for the WCS Challenger events with the remaining players being determined through open cups. Signups are open, sign up and make sure you don't miss the qualifiers! 
WCS Challenger Hub: https://play.eslgaming.com/starcraft/global/sc2/major/wcs/challenger
WCS Challenger #3 Announcement: https://www.eslgaming.com/article/how-qualify-wcs-challenger-valencia-3548
Here are the links to all the cups:
WCS Challenger EU #3:
Qualified for the Playoffs from Ladder Challenger:  Serral, Elazer, Nerchio,  ShoWTimE, Namshar, PtitDrogo, Harstem and Stephano
Qualified for the Playoffs from Open Cup #1: TLO  Optimus Lambo and uThermal
Qualified for the Playoffs from Open Cup #2: Bly Zanster HeRoMaRinE and Snute
- Qualifier #1: Tuesday, Tuesday, May 30 5:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (single elimination, bo3)
- Qualifier #2: Wednesday, Wednesday, May 31 5:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (single elimination, bo3)
- Playoffs Day 1: Friday, Friday, Jun 02 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
- Playoffs Day 2: Saturday, Saturday, Jun 03 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (double elimination, bo5)//(lower bracket non qualifying matches Bo3)
WCS Challenger NA #3:
Qualified for the Playoffs from Ladder Challenger: Neeb, MaSa, Semper, TRUE, Silky, PiLiPiLi, Bails and GAMETIME
Qualified for the Playoffs from Open Cup #1: JonSnow Raze Scarlett and PandaBearMe
Qualified for the Playoffs from Open Cup #2: puCK qxc MCanning and Voltz
- Qualifier #1: Tuesday, Wednesday, Jun 07 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (single elimination, bo3)
- Qualifier #2: Wednesday, Thursday, Jun 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (single elimination, bo3)
- Playoffs Day 1: Friday, Saturday, Jun 10 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
- Playoffs Day 2: Saturday, Sunday, Jun 11 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (double elimination, bo5)//(lower bracket non qualifying matches Bo3)
Player must be eligible to compete based on the residency requirements outlined in section 4.4 of the WCS 2017 Rules.
Qualifier Slot Distribution
- Qualifiers: The top 4 placed players from each cup advance to the WCS Challenger Playoff tournament.
- Playoffs: A total of sixteen players (8 players receive a direct invite from the Grand Master Ladder) will compete for one of four spots in the WCS circuit and a total of $10.000 in prize money.
Grand Master League cutoff
- Top eight players from the respective ladder (NA/EU) automatically advance to the WCS Challenger Playoff
The cut-off will be based on MMR and take place at 11:59 p.m. in CEST and EDT
- Players must complete 15 ladder games a day between Grandmaster League promotion windows (20:00 EDT, 21:00 CEST) starting on the Thursday-Friday window and continuing through Sunday.
- Starting at the Thursday promotion window, players will be required to play under the name that they wish to use during the WCS Circuit event. Please contact esportsteam@blizzard.com if you require a free character name change to compete.
 2017 WCS Valencia/Qualifiers/Europe
2017 WCS Valencia/Qualifiers/North America
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Sign-up isn't working, won't let me sign up for this.
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EU Ladder qualified players are here:
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Rofl stephano did it but 0 Liquid ? What happened ?
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On May 29 2017 07:31 DieuCure wrote:
Rofl stephano did it but 0 Liquid ? What happened ?
The Ladder is an unforgiving mistress.
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Russian Federation54 Posts
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I completely missed this despite knowing about all the scheduling weirdness.
The scheduling is really awkward. If after Jönköping they realize that the map pool is too zerg favoured and decide to cut Blood Boil and Ascension to Aiur, Valencia will still be even more zerg heavy than WCS events usually are just because of all the qualifiers already happened.
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On May 29 2017 15:55 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
I completely missed this despite knowing about all the scheduling weirdness.
The scheduling is really awkward. If after Jönköping they realize that the map pool is too zerg favoured and decide to cut Blood Boil and Ascension to Aiur, Valencia will still be even more zerg heavy than WCS events usually are just because of all the qualifiers already happened.
blood boil T>>>>>>>>>Z though but yea for pvz i guess
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On May 29 2017 16:20 Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2017 15:55 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
I completely missed this despite knowing about all the scheduling weirdness.
The scheduling is really awkward. If after Jönköping they realize that the map pool is too zerg favoured and decide to cut Blood Boil and Ascension to Aiur, Valencia will still be even more zerg heavy than WCS events usually are just because of all the qualifiers already happened. blood boil T>>>>>>>>>Z though but yea for pvz i guess
TvZ isn't too relevant a match-up when it comes to WCS qualifiers unfortunately.
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On May 29 2017 16:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2017 16:20 Scarlett` wrote:On May 29 2017 15:55 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
I completely missed this despite knowing about all the scheduling weirdness.
The scheduling is really awkward. If after Jönköping they realize that the map pool is too zerg favoured and decide to cut Blood Boil and Ascension to Aiur, Valencia will still be even more zerg heavy than WCS events usually are just because of all the qualifiers already happened. blood boil T>>>>>>>>>Z though but yea for pvz i guess TvZ isn't too relevant a match-up when it comes to WCS qualifiers unfortunately.
Not in Europe at any rate.
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NA links are no longer placeholders, main post updated, feel free to sign up.
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Just a small reminder folks, today we have the first Open Cup for EU!
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If 0 eu terrans qualify i will laugh my ass off
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Canada8989 Posts
Rotti is doing it!
Edit : never mind, still a good try
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On May 30 2017 23:00 GreenMash wrote:
If 0 eu terrans qualify i will laugh my ass off
Chances are pretty high
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Canada8989 Posts
Worst forcefield of all time
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DnS got the biggest disruptor hits ever in g2.
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On May 31 2017 03:59 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2017 23:00 GreenMash wrote:
If 0 eu terrans qualify i will laugh my ass off Chances are pretty high
Three terrans are all of sudden one Bo3 from qualifying. :O
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I feel like this is every ZvP ever.
Harass early game.
Rather passive mid.
Big hydra/bane attack, kills 20-ish workers.
Big ball of immortals and archons.
Zerg either dies or survives.
If survives either or both transition to air.
I don't think I've seen any other comp that is not immortal/chargelot/archon vs ling/hydra/bane in any PvZ in months,
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On May 31 2017 05:18 Lexender wrote:
I feel like this is every ZvP ever.
Harass early game.
Rather passive mid.
Big hydra/bane attack, kills 20-ish workers.
Big ball of immortals and archons.
Zerg either dies or survives.
If survives either or both transition to air.
I don't think I've seen any other comp that is not immortal/chargelot/archon vs ling/hydra/bane in any PvZ in months,
Solar made swarm hosts literally yesterday,
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What makes progamers think that making ultras vs protoss is ok?
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On May 31 2017 05:31 Aegwynn wrote:
What makes progamers think that making ultras vs protoss is ok?
they have 8 armor and can be transfused
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On May 31 2017 05:36 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2017 05:31 Aegwynn wrote:
What makes progamers think that making ultras vs protoss is ok? they have 8 armor and can be transfused
So +3 immortals do 57 damage to them instead of 65?
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On May 30 2017 23:00 GreenMash wrote:
If 0 eu terrans qualify i will laugh my ass off
Optimus qualifies to the qualifiers.
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On May 31 2017 05:41 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2017 23:00 GreenMash wrote:
If 0 eu terrans qualify i will laugh my ass off Optimus qualifies to the qualifiers.
literal god
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On May 31 2017 05:36 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2017 05:31 Aegwynn wrote:
What makes progamers think that making ultras vs protoss is ok? they have 8 armor and can be transfused
*7 armor
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On May 31 2017 05:48 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2017 05:36 Ej_ wrote:On May 31 2017 05:31 Aegwynn wrote:
What makes progamers think that making ultras vs protoss is ok? they have 8 armor and can be transfused *7 armor
literally unplayable vs interceptors
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France12904 Posts
Most of the new maps from ladder are horrible, for once I'm happy that in KR tourneys they sometimes use old maps.
Daybreak is better than this weird space map with bazillion rocks.
Plus mapmakers trolling players with 1gas bases or less mineral patches (or even more)... poor pro players that have to practice these weird maps.
Go Dns and terrans
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Good lord, look at uthermal's push...
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Two EU terrans already in the qualis.
Madness.
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United States97276 Posts
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Netherlands singlehandedly stopping Terran buffs
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MARINELORD IN BRACKET HYPE LETS GO!!!
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Good luck to Arctur, Beastyqt, Brat_OK, HeRoMaRinE, Kas, Lillekanin, MarineLorD, souL and Ziggy.
Protosses are cool too!
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MarineLorD only plays for fun, he does not want to go back to SC2.
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Heromarine vs Sortof will (probably) compete for one slot. I want both of them to advance. 
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Guru with the (poop) into losing the series.
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uThermal is coaching MarineLorD haha
SortOf against Ptak, rip SortOf
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"light pressure" by toss, so effective
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Wow marinelord is still the best terran eu
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Italy3452 Posts
Bly being Bly right now... :|
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THOMAS LABROUSSEEEEEEEEEEE
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Italy3452 Posts
...those neurals were good! nice move Bly!
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On June 01 2017 07:03 Aeromi wrote:
THOMAS LABROUSSEEEEEEEEEEE
Is ded
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3 Protoss, 3 Terran, and 10 Zerg in the playoffs.
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Cant wait to see all the ZvZ matches!! Hype!
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On June 01 2017 07:19 Boggyb wrote:
3 Protoss, 3 Terran, and 10 Zerg in the playoffs.
As even as it gets for European standards.
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United States97276 Posts
so pretty much par for the course for Europe? I guess a little more terran than normal
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On June 01 2017 07:20 PinoKotsBeer wrote:
Cant wait to see all the ZvZ matches!! Hype!
So basically every match in the winner's bracket after the first round.
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On June 01 2017 07:20 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2017 07:19 Boggyb wrote:
3 Protoss, 3 Terran, and 10 Zerg in the playoffs. As even as it gets for European standards.
Still not normal.
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WCS EU qualifier has 3 Terrans
TvT in the first round
Just EU things
E: Wow that was so bad by Heromarine, this got so close now
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I am against casters vieweing another game while casting. It's too distracting.
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Showtime losing to Zanster... if he doesn't make it through this qualifier after already failing Jönköping I'm worried.
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Nerchio - Optimus 2-2?
Edit: oh, still not bad not bad
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Showtime on full tilt.
Him and Snute being two of the four first to drop out of the qualifiers is a bit of a surprise.
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On June 03 2017 02:59 D-light wrote:
Showtime on full tilt.
Him and Snute being two of the four first to drop out of the qualifiers is a bit of a surprise.
Yeah. Well, ShoWTimE not making it through the Jönköping qualifiers was a bit of a surprise. This is more of a shock.
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Anyone knows how Zanster won game 1?
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On June 03 2017 03:09 Ej_ wrote:
Anyone knows how Zanster won game 1?
Muta/ling/bane into ultras on Ascension to Aiur
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Who cares this year Challenger means nothing if you have a team that is willing to send you overseas.
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On June 03 2017 03:11 Aeromi wrote:
Who cares this year Challenger means nothing if you have a team that is willing to send you overseas.
Damn I wish I had a job that paid enough for 14 hundred dolars to be nothing.
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On June 03 2017 03:11 Aeromi wrote:
Who cares this year Challenger means nothing if you have a team that is willing to send you overseas.
I mean obviously they'll most likely still go to DH. But if ShoWTimE can't win a match here, what can he do at Jönköping?
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On June 03 2017 03:13 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 03:11 Aeromi wrote:
Who cares this year Challenger means nothing if you have a team that is willing to send you overseas. I mean obviously they'll most likely still go to DH. But if ShoWTimE can't win a match here, what can he do at Jönköping?
Online =/= offline
On June 03 2017 03:12 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 03:11 Aeromi wrote:
Who cares this year Challenger means nothing if you have a team that is willing to send you overseas. Damn I wish I had a job that paid enough for 14 hundred dolars to be nothing.
Too busy shitposting on TL 
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"Nerchio has fixed his ZvZ which has been his achilles feet for so long"
Meanwhile it's been his best matchup since 2010 and often above 70%.
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On June 03 2017 03:11 Aeromi wrote:
Who cares this year Challenger means nothing if you have a team that is willing to send you overseas.
Well, there are a total of 4000 WCS points available in all four Challenger leagues. That's 800 points for one player if they win them all, which is a significant sum in the overall standings. Anyway, I agree that the stakes are not so high in this that there is room for speculation if everyone is giving their 100%.
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On another note, what did TLO have for breakfast? 3-0 Snute, 3-1 Drogo
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Heromarine's micro isn't that impressive but god damn his macro is.
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Swarm hosts in ZvZ :O
Well okay that shit didn't work
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On June 03 2017 03:16 Ej_ wrote:
"Nerchio has fixed his ZvZ which has been his achilles feet for so long"
Meanwhile it's been his best matchup since 2010 and often above 70%.
Maybe statistically but he lost a lot of important series in zvz, like last year vs Scarlett and Violet.
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BO3 LB is stupid
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On June 03 2017 04:06 Aeromi wrote:BO3 LB is stupid
But it doesn't matter this year
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Showtime + Snute in the first round ?!
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On June 03 2017 04:13 Elentos wrote:But it doesn't matter this year
Then why would you change BO5 to BO3 between WCS Season 1 and 2?
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On June 03 2017 04:15 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2017 04:13 Elentos wrote:On June 03 2017 04:06 Aeromi wrote:BO3 LB is stupid But it doesn't matter this year Then why would you change BO5 to BO3 between WCS Season 1 and 2?
To save time on the matches that don't matter 
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Kaelaris dont even know the maps ...
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On June 03 2017 04:27 DieuCure wrote:
Kaelaris dont even know the maps ...
But he does know Finnish so it does't matter.
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Let's hope Serral can keep his cool in Jönköping and he will earn his first big international trophy. However, this Challenger is now over yet for him, but good job so far. 
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You have to sell your soul to the devil for damage zerg's economy as Terran, but a lings shift click in minerals line as zerg can win the game without much risk
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United States97276 Posts
elazer is a god again. hype
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On June 03 2017 04:57 DieuCure wrote:
You have to sell your soul to the devil for damage zerg's economy as Terran, but a lings shift click in minerals line as zerg can win the game without much risk
Too much truth, but lets enjoy ZvZ's !
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What happened at Harstem vs Zanster? Liquipedia says 1-1 between them. I doubt they just decided to wait 1 day to finish their bo3.
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Harstem won 2-1
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elazer is a god again. hype
Elazer is on team Blizzard :-)
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Terran nightmares are made of Nerchio.
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I think a zerg will win this tournament
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When Nerchio wins this game, he will have qualified for Valencia playing the maximum possible number of games.
e: oh it's a bo5? cmon HeroMarine, give me all 5
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So... that's a lot of zerg going to Valencia already.
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Last stand of the protoss.
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On June 04 2017 01:38 Ej_ wrote:
Nerchio vs mech!
ded
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On June 04 2017 02:57 Nerchio wrote:ded
nice swarm host micro durrr
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On June 04 2017 03:02 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 02:57 Nerchio wrote:On June 04 2017 01:38 Ej_ wrote:
Nerchio vs mech! ded nice swarm host micro durrr
Don't you know that Swarmhosts are very good at tanking damage 
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This is the Zergest timeline.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
"That move from a player with 701 APM was not anything extraordinary but it was fun still".
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11 x zerg, and Showtime in the first EU qualifier to Austin.
What a time to be alive.
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On June 04 2017 03:11 D-light wrote:
11 x zerg, and Showtime in the first EU qualifier to Austin.
What a time to be alive.
Lazy protoss and terrans, they should practice more
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On June 04 2017 03:17 PinoKotsBeer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 03:11 D-light wrote:
11 x zerg, and Showtime in the first EU qualifier to Austin.
What a time to be alive. Lazy protoss and terrans, they should practice more
Maybe if the foreign Terrans practiced as much as the Koreans they would hold half the spots in the bracket, eh?
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Is this the new grand zerg era? Maybe it will be as glorious as infestor broodlord or swarmhost era!
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On June 04 2017 03:26 Weavel wrote:
Is this the new grand zerg era? Maybe it will be as glorious as infestor broodlord or swarmhost era!
It will end when Ascension and Odyssey are retired from the map pool
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Welcome to the British English lesson
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 04 2017 03:28 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 03:26 Weavel wrote:
Is this the new grand zerg era? Maybe it will be as glorious as infestor broodlord or swarmhost era! It will end when Ascension and Odyssey are retired from the map pool
Are not both of these just dream maps for any tank all-in, looking at what Gumiho did in his group.
EDIT: What is that APM bug TLO has?
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On June 04 2017 03:40 lolfail9001 wrote:
EDIT: What is that APM bug TLO has?
My bet is that he is using the rapid fire trick on something (most likely in the corrosive biles) wich makes the APM spike like crazy.
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On June 04 2017 03:40 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 03:28 Ej_ wrote:On June 04 2017 03:26 Weavel wrote:
Is this the new grand zerg era? Maybe it will be as glorious as infestor broodlord or swarmhost era! It will end when Ascension and Odyssey are retired from the map pool Are not both of these just dream maps for any tank all-in, looking at what Gumiho did in his group. EDIT: What is that APM bug TLO has?
They are very good ZvP maps.
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On June 04 2017 03:28 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 03:26 Weavel wrote:
Is this the new grand zerg era? Maybe it will be as glorious as infestor broodlord or swarmhost era! It will end when Ascension and Odyssey are retired from the map pool
Odyssey? I don't think that map is zerg favoured.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 04 2017 03:44 Lexender wrote:My bet is that he is using the rapid fire trick on something (most likely in the corrosive biles) wich makes the APM spike like crazy.
Yeah, that explains why he has 1500 apm spikes.
It does not explain why he can average over 500 apm.
I believe on russian stream they mentioned something related, but it had mention of alt-c and i have no clue what that means.
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On June 04 2017 03:46 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 03:44 Lexender wrote:On June 04 2017 03:40 lolfail9001 wrote:
EDIT: What is that APM bug TLO has? My bet is that he is using the rapid fire trick on something (most likely in the corrosive biles) wich makes the APM spike like crazy. Yeah, that explains why he has 1500 apm spikes. It does not explain why he can average over 500 apm. I believe on russian stream they mentioned something related, but it had mention of alt-c and i have no clue what that means.
It's a bug with his account, iirc TLO doesn't know why that happens.
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On June 04 2017 03:46 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 03:44 Lexender wrote:On June 04 2017 03:40 lolfail9001 wrote:
EDIT: What is that APM bug TLO has? My bet is that he is using the rapid fire trick on something (most likely in the corrosive biles) wich makes the APM spike like crazy. Yeah, that explains why he has 1500 apm spikes. It does not explain why he can average over 500 apm. I believe on russian stream they mentioned something related, but it had mention of alt-c and i have no clue what that means.
Maybe he is just that fast.
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it's the "steal from group" action which causes the apm spikes (where you assign a unit to a new group and simultaneously it gets deleted from other control groups). afaik it causes 1 (or 2) actions for each selected unit to which you do it. So you do 1 Action and it ends up being 20 "APM" sometimes.
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On June 04 2017 03:51 [PkF] Wire wrote:
so many Zergs
Proves that we can't say if the game is really balanced because sometimes one race has just much better players than the other races.
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On June 04 2017 03:48 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 03:46 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 04 2017 03:44 Lexender wrote:On June 04 2017 03:40 lolfail9001 wrote:
EDIT: What is that APM bug TLO has? My bet is that he is using the rapid fire trick on something (most likely in the corrosive biles) wich makes the APM spike like crazy. Yeah, that explains why he has 1500 apm spikes. It does not explain why he can average over 500 apm. I believe on russian stream they mentioned something related, but it had mention of alt-c and i have no clue what that means. Maybe he is just that fast.
It's creativity-powered APM
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nice sh play lol
TLO is awesome at engagements
..GGs
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So the qualifyng matches are bo5, but the money games further in the bracket are bo3s...?
That's... odd.
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On June 04 2017 03:49 TBO wrote:
it's the "steal from group" action which causes the apm spikes (where you assign a unit to a new group and simultaneously it gets deleted from other control groups). afaik it causes 1 (or 2) actions for each selected unit to which you do it. So you do 1 Action and it ends up being 20 "APM" sometimes.
That sounds strange, my APM didn't rise after I started using it iirc
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On June 04 2017 03:54 Charoisaur wrote:Proves that we can't say if the game is really balanced because sometimes one race has just much better players than the other races.
Tbh it proves nothing because in Europe zergs are just the biggest names. It's not like that in other regions.
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Germany767 Posts
On June 04 2017 04:04 Zzzapper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 03:49 TBO wrote:
it's the "steal from group" action which causes the apm spikes (where you assign a unit to a new group and simultaneously it gets deleted from other control groups). afaik it causes 1 (or 2) actions for each selected unit to which you do it. So you do 1 Action and it ends up being 20 "APM" sometimes. That sounds strange, my APM didn't rise after I started using it iirc
Snute's doesn't either I wonder if it's because I use Q and W for it and maybe hold it down a bit longer than normal people so I actually spam create or something.
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On June 04 2017 04:05 Avicularia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 03:54 Charoisaur wrote:On June 04 2017 03:51 [PkF] Wire wrote:
so many Zergs Proves that we can't say if the game is really balanced because sometimes one race has just much better players than the other races. Tbh it proves nothing because in Europe zergs are just the biggest names. It's not like that in other regions.
That's my point in EU zerg looks OP because they have the strongest players.
It's just as possible that in KR the protoss players are much better than the other ones but we can't know because the game is balanced around all races performing equally well there.
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On June 04 2017 04:05 Avicularia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 03:54 Charoisaur wrote:On June 04 2017 03:51 [PkF] Wire wrote:
so many Zergs Proves that we can't say if the game is really balanced because sometimes one race has just much better players than the other races. Tbh it proves nothing because in Europe zergs are just the biggest names. It's not like that in other regions.
yep because showtime/heromarine/uthermal/ptitdrogo/harstem are bad players who never stood a chance against these zergs. Also NA region was won by zerg too Scarlett with JonSnow taking 3rd. China top 2 were zerg and they 3-0ed both TIME/MacSeD. Also taiwan a region dominated by Has for over a year had top 3 all zerg being Sen/Winter/Rex. So you can't say its only EU or that it proves nothing or that is not like this in other regions because it is.
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On June 04 2017 04:37 SNSeigifried wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 04:05 Avicularia wrote:On June 04 2017 03:54 Charoisaur wrote:On June 04 2017 03:51 [PkF] Wire wrote:
so many Zergs Proves that we can't say if the game is really balanced because sometimes one race has just much better players than the other races. Tbh it proves nothing because in Europe zergs are just the biggest names. It's not like that in other regions. yep because showtime/heromarine/uthermal/ptitdrogo/harstem are bad players who never stood a chance against these zergs. Also NA region was won by zerg too Scarlett with JonSnow taking 3rd. China top 2 were zerg and they 3-0ed both TIME/MacSeD. Also taiwan a region dominated by Has for over a year had top 3 all zerg being Sen/Winter/Rex. So you can't say its only EU or that it proves nothing or that is not like this in other regions because it is.
What about the KR leagues? The ones that everyone wants me to look at
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On June 04 2017 04:40 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 04:37 SNSeigifried wrote:On June 04 2017 04:05 Avicularia wrote:On June 04 2017 03:54 Charoisaur wrote:On June 04 2017 03:51 [PkF] Wire wrote:
so many Zergs Proves that we can't say if the game is really balanced because sometimes one race has just much better players than the other races. Tbh it proves nothing because in Europe zergs are just the biggest names. It's not like that in other regions. yep because showtime/heromarine/uthermal/ptitdrogo/harstem are bad players who never stood a chance against these zergs. Also NA region was won by zerg too Scarlett with JonSnow taking 3rd. China top 2 were zerg and they 3-0ed both TIME/MacSeD. Also taiwan a region dominated by Has for over a year had top 3 all zerg being Sen/Winter/Rex. So you can't say its only EU or that it proves nothing or that is not like this in other regions because it is. What about the KR leagues? The ones that everyone wants me to look at
Different map pools.
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Well the elephant of the room is the map pool difference, I don't think Zerg would be broken on a Bo7 purely played on abyssal
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On June 04 2017 04:43 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 04:40 Nerchio wrote:On June 04 2017 04:37 SNSeigifried wrote:On June 04 2017 04:05 Avicularia wrote:On June 04 2017 03:54 Charoisaur wrote:On June 04 2017 03:51 [PkF] Wire wrote:
so many Zergs Proves that we can't say if the game is really balanced because sometimes one race has just much better players than the other races. Tbh it proves nothing because in Europe zergs are just the biggest names. It's not like that in other regions. yep because showtime/heromarine/uthermal/ptitdrogo/harstem are bad players who never stood a chance against these zergs. Also NA region was won by zerg too Scarlett with JonSnow taking 3rd. China top 2 were zerg and they 3-0ed both TIME/MacSeD. Also taiwan a region dominated by Has for over a year had top 3 all zerg being Sen/Winter/Rex. So you can't say its only EU or that it proves nothing or that is not like this in other regions because it is. What about the KR leagues? The ones that everyone wants me to look at Different map pools.
Zerg is the best performing foreigner race for years, it's naive blaming that solely on maps.
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On June 04 2017 04:49 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 04:43 Boggyb wrote:On June 04 2017 04:40 Nerchio wrote:On June 04 2017 04:37 SNSeigifried wrote:On June 04 2017 04:05 Avicularia wrote:On June 04 2017 03:54 Charoisaur wrote:On June 04 2017 03:51 [PkF] Wire wrote:
so many Zergs Proves that we can't say if the game is really balanced because sometimes one race has just much better players than the other races. Tbh it proves nothing because in Europe zergs are just the biggest names. It's not like that in other regions. yep because showtime/heromarine/uthermal/ptitdrogo/harstem are bad players who never stood a chance against these zergs. Also NA region was won by zerg too Scarlett with JonSnow taking 3rd. China top 2 were zerg and they 3-0ed both TIME/MacSeD. Also taiwan a region dominated by Has for over a year had top 3 all zerg being Sen/Winter/Rex. So you can't say its only EU or that it proves nothing or that is not like this in other regions because it is. What about the KR leagues? The ones that everyone wants me to look at Different map pools. Zerg is the best performing foreigner race for years, it's naive blaming that solely on maps.
I don't think anyone is blaming it solely on maps but there's no denying that the current map pool heavily favours Zerg.
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Zerg is so OP that Serral got a 3-0 victory after 2 games.
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Serral is just on another level right now. Great play from him. Jönköping is going to be interesting.
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Serral perkele
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Serral almost unstoppable. He will win Valencia I can feel it.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 04 2017 05:15 Weavel wrote:
Serral almost unstoppable. He will win Valencia I can feel it.
LANs have 100% winrate against him though.
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On June 04 2017 04:49 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 04:43 Boggyb wrote:On June 04 2017 04:40 Nerchio wrote:On June 04 2017 04:37 SNSeigifried wrote:On June 04 2017 04:05 Avicularia wrote:On June 04 2017 03:54 Charoisaur wrote:On June 04 2017 03:51 [PkF] Wire wrote:
so many Zergs Proves that we can't say if the game is really balanced because sometimes one race has just much better players than the other races. Tbh it proves nothing because in Europe zergs are just the biggest names. It's not like that in other regions. yep because showtime/heromarine/uthermal/ptitdrogo/harstem are bad players who never stood a chance against these zergs. Also NA region was won by zerg too Scarlett with JonSnow taking 3rd. China top 2 were zerg and they 3-0ed both TIME/MacSeD. Also taiwan a region dominated by Has for over a year had top 3 all zerg being Sen/Winter/Rex. So you can't say its only EU or that it proves nothing or that is not like this in other regions because it is. What about the KR leagues? The ones that everyone wants me to look at Different map pools. Zerg is the best performing foreigner race for years, it's naive blaming that solely on maps.
Because zerg is easier at this lvl, you cant deny it
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On June 04 2017 05:27 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 05:15 Weavel wrote:
Serral almost unstoppable. He will win Valencia I can feel it. LANs have 100% winrate against him though.
He's won LANs in Finland!
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On June 04 2017 04:37 SNSeigifried wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 04:05 Avicularia wrote:On June 04 2017 03:54 Charoisaur wrote:On June 04 2017 03:51 [PkF] Wire wrote:
so many Zergs Proves that we can't say if the game is really balanced because sometimes one race has just much better players than the other races. Tbh it proves nothing because in Europe zergs are just the biggest names. It's not like that in other regions. yep because showtime/heromarine/uthermal/ptitdrogo/harstem are bad players who never stood a chance against these zergs. Also NA region was won by zerg too Scarlett with JonSnow taking 3rd. China top 2 were zerg and they 3-0ed both TIME/MacSeD. Also taiwan a region dominated by Has for over a year had top 3 all zerg being Sen/Winter/Rex. So you can't say its only EU or that it proves nothing or that is not like this in other regions because it is.
Who cares, KR is what matters and all that matters. Otherwise Terran would have had to be buffed into high heaven for years.
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I want to join the serral hype but he's yet too prove himself in a premier offline event
Also, zerg will always dominate in EU unless maybe showtime wins something.
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OP says NA Open #1 starts at 7 pm CDT but the ESL gaming site shows 6 pm? Which one is correct?
EDIT: hmm perhaps start time = check-in start time on the ESL site
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On June 07 2017 04:26 Fango wrote:
I want to join the serral hype but he's yet too prove himself in a premier offline event
Also, zerg will always dominate in EU unless maybe showtime wins something.
Or forGG return !
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United States97276 Posts
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cyclone/hellion fell off really hard when zergs realized that they can defend the initial push with a lot of queens and from then the mech player is pretty much boned
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Check-in bugged out on me, i clicked late sign up...don't know why it wouldn't let me check in
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United States33450 Posts
that game was offensive; let's disqualify both players :'(
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oh shit qxc is back? i never thought we'd see him again
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I'm shocked that they ever show avilo games on the official starcraft stream
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First time im watching the famous legendary avilo, why does he "rofl" multiple times in the game, its awfully cringey and unprofessional. Is sportsmanship and respect too much to ask? Or are the chatlolz just fuel for his tremendous fanbase
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so disgusting, learn some respect
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On June 08 2017 10:33 xtorn wrote:
First time im watching the famous legendary avilo, why does he "rofl" multiple times in the game, its awfully cringey and unprofessional. Is sportsmanship and respect too much to ask? Or are the chatlolz just fuel for his tremendous fanbase
Because he's a sad, paranoid 30 year old who has spent the last 5+ years of his life trying to be good at this game and has nothing to show for it aside from one of the most toxic fanbases in SC2 and thinks everyone is out to get him.
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Canada8989 Posts
On June 08 2017 10:39 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 10:33 xtorn wrote:
First time im watching the famous legendary avilo, why does he "rofl" multiple times in the game, its awfully cringey and unprofessional. Is sportsmanship and respect too much to ask? Or are the chatlolz just fuel for his tremendous fanbase
Because he's a sad, paranoid 30 year old who has spent the last 5+ years of his life trying to be good at this game and has nothing to show for it aside from one of the most toxic fanbases in SC2 and thinks everyone is out to get him.
Guys... I think avilo is Trump origin story
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On the bright side Blizzard really listened to the complaints about all the downtime in their wcs streams and its really great to see
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United States33450 Posts
On June 08 2017 10:33 xtorn wrote:
First time im watching the famous legendary avilo, why does he "rofl" multiple times in the game, its awfully cringey and unprofessional. Is sportsmanship and respect too much to ask? Or are the chatlolz just fuel for his tremendous fanbase
dunno why people get so offended about what Avilo does.
If he crosses the line, Blizz win ban him (again). Otherwise, it's nice to see some low-round challenger matches that aren't totally sterile.
That said, these Mech vs Viper matches are disgusting and both players should be ashamed of themselves ^_^
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United States97276 Posts
what is the record for sensor towers in 1 game?
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On June 08 2017 10:50 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 10:33 xtorn wrote:
First time im watching the famous legendary avilo, why does he "rofl" multiple times in the game, its awfully cringey and unprofessional. Is sportsmanship and respect too much to ask? Or are the chatlolz just fuel for his tremendous fanbase
dunno why people get so offended about what Avilo does. If he crosses the line, Blizz win ban him (again). Otherwise, it's nice to see some low-round challenger matches that aren't totally sterile. That said, these Mech vs Viper matches are disgusting and both players should be ashamed of themselves ^_^
Highest lvl gameplay i have ever seen
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On June 08 2017 10:50 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 10:33 xtorn wrote:
First time im watching the famous legendary avilo, why does he "rofl" multiple times in the game, its awfully cringey and unprofessional. Is sportsmanship and respect too much to ask? Or are the chatlolz just fuel for his tremendous fanbase
That said, these Mech vs Viper matches are disgusting and both players should be ashamed of themselves ^_^
Both players? Bioice doesn't have much of a choice
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United States97276 Posts
"i don't think I've ever seen a player give up at 167 supply" - Rotti
Pretty sure Idra probably did it at some point
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LOL omg this was the best part of this game
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those ravens are honestly super broken
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On June 08 2017 11:07 Shellshock wrote:
"i don't think I've ever seen a player give up at 167 supply" - Rotti
Pretty sure Idra probably did it at some point
Any player would give up against that many hallucinated void rays.
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On June 08 2017 11:12 Charoisaur wrote:
those ravens are honestly super broken
He didn't lose because of ravens though
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United States97276 Posts
aligulac btfo
(1048) avilo 0-0 Bioice (1424)
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11.62% 2-0 0-2 43.44%
15.32% 2-1 1-2 29.62%
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26.94% 73.06%
Median outcome: avilo 1-2 Bioice
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.
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On June 08 2017 11:15 Shellshock wrote:aligulac btfo (1048) avilo 0-0 Bioice (1424)
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11.62% 2-0 0-2 43.44%
15.32% 2-1 1-2 29.62%
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26.94% 73.06%
Median outcome: avilo 1-2 Bioice
Watching the games the only explanation is that some low master player played on bioice's account
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United States97276 Posts
On June 08 2017 11:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 11:15 Shellshock wrote:aligulac btfo (1048) avilo 0-0 Bioice (1424)
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11.62% 2-0 0-2 43.44%
15.32% 2-1 1-2 29.62%
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26.94% 73.06%
Median outcome: avilo 1-2 Bioice Watching the games the only explanation is that some low master player played on bioice's account
according to Naruto's twitter less than high EU diamond
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On June 08 2017 11:17 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2017 11:16 The_Red_Viper wrote:On June 08 2017 11:15 Shellshock wrote:aligulac btfo (1048) avilo 0-0 Bioice (1424)
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11.62% 2-0 0-2 43.44%
15.32% 2-1 1-2 29.62%
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26.94% 73.06%
Median outcome: avilo 1-2 Bioice Watching the games the only explanation is that some low master player played on bioice's account according to Naruto's twitter less than high EU diamond https://twitter.com/NarutOSC2/status/872637927188291584
Haha that might be a slight exaggeration, but it was really bad indeed
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On June 08 2017 11:12 Charoisaur wrote:
those ravens are honestly super broken
But someone told me Ravens are useless cus they run out of energy quickly.
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United States97276 Posts
are we going to see qxc and avilo qualify for challenger in 2017?
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Has qxc been away for so long he doesn't know how Noregret plays?
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On June 08 2017 12:40 geokilla wrote:
Does Noregret not macro?
I've seen him macro a few times. He went for gold bases for both his natural and his third two games in a row, and got immediately killed admittedly, but that was certainly macro.
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Seeing avilo play in LotV isnt so bad, LotV mech is pretty fun to watch when it actually gets played.
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Did Avilo just admit he made a mistake in the game before QQing?
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congrats to mccanning it's been a long time in the making
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Invulnerable nydus worm is really fun to play in qualifying matches...
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On June 08 2017 13:52 avilo wrote:
Invulnerable nydus worm is really fun to play in qualifying matches...
It's like a stupid design thing that isn't played enough for blizzard to finally get rid of it, but when it does happen it's hella frustrating
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On June 08 2017 12:42 ZigguratOfUr wrote:I've seen him macro a few times. He went for gold bases for both his natural and his third two games in a row, and got immediately killed admittedly, but that was certainly macro.
My god, I laughed so hard as this. NoRegret's definition of macro is one of a kind, isn't it?
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MCanning putting up more of a fight against Scarlett than Stats did this morning :O
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On June 10 2017 09:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
MCanning putting up more of a fight against Scarlett than Stats did this morning :O
MCanning next GSL champion confirmed
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Swarm hosts hype !
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lol just like that... That was anticlimactic.
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Live by the full NA, die by the full NA
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ha ha MaSa already making it fun
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HA HA HA a proxy thor vs a gold base ^^
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pvt looks really fun in NA ^^
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what the hell is happening to Neeb tonight ?
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I know Neeb just got to Korea and he's probably still adjusting but there is no excuse for that phoenix control
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On June 10 2017 10:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I know Neeb just got to Korea and he's probably still adjusting but there is no excuse for that phoenix control
a really unfortunate series overall but yeah that mistake was unforgivable
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that was a clever build by Pili but JonSnow reacted pretty well
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Good lord those banelings hits. Ahead to dead in a second for True
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This JonSnow vs Pili game is the most NA game of all time. JonSnow could have ended this game twice and both times has let Pili build up a 200/200 Skytoss army.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
Listening ya'll it looks like i should only watch NA quals.
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On June 10 2017 12:19 lolfail9001 wrote:
Listening ya'll it looks like i should only watch NA quals.
If you like standard, ordinary SC2 you should watch GSL or the EU qualifiers. If you like sheer chaos you should watch the NA qualifiers.
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This is a very 2011 PvP. Minus the Disruptors of course.
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All the thors from MaSa are really neat. He went for Thors yesterday against JonSnow too.
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Canada8989 Posts
Masa is playing some sick starcraft
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Masa has historically always had Scarlett's number so this isn't too surprising
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On June 11 2017 09:34 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Masa has historically always had Scarlett's number so this isn't too surprising
Masa's just happy that Hydra isn't around.
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RIP in pieces Neeb
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Not sure how much KR server handicapped them but if Neeb and Scarlett are losing to True and Masa then I really don't envy their chances in GSL against the top Koreans.
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That moment when the Koreans living in NA has server advantage in an NA qualifier over North Americans living in Korea.
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On June 11 2017 10:01 pvsnp wrote:
Not sure how much KR server handicapped them but if Neeb and Scarlett are losing to True and Masa then I really don't envy their chances in GSL against the top Koreans.
200+ ping is a pretty bad. Masa's always had a weird ability to beat Scarlett anyways.
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Each game it looks like Scarlett has a lead, but TRUE is just really good at hanging on, and clawing back to equality.
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Is the next game Bo5 or Bo7?
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On June 11 2017 12:07 Phantasy_ wrote:
Is the next game Bo5 or Bo7?
Bo5 with 1-0 lead for MaSa
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The bunker at the third is novel, but probably not actually good. It's like the two weeks where Masa brought an SCV with his drops to repair. A cool touch, but not worth it in the end. It's nice to see Masa isn't afraid of trying small things like this though.
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United States97276 Posts
Ouch. Rough performance for neeblet
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reapers cross server is the biggest meme
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On June 11 2017 12:47 Scarlett` wrote:
reapers cross server is the biggest meme
is was surprised you tried to make lings vs it. is that easier with higher ping than roaches?
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On June 11 2017 12:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2017 12:47 Scarlett` wrote:
reapers cross server is the biggest meme is was surprised you tried to make lings vs it. is that easier with higher ping than roaches?
you cant make roaches vs it you just lose
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On June 11 2017 12:47 Scarlett` wrote:
reapers cross server is the biggest meme
Hey they got nerfed. Now you lose at the 10 minute mark instead of the 5 minute mark.
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One man managing the whole WCS production and two men casting SC2? That's pretty insane.
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On June 11 2017 12:52 Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2017 12:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On June 11 2017 12:47 Scarlett` wrote:
reapers cross server is the biggest meme is was surprised you tried to make lings vs it. is that easier with higher ping than roaches? you cant make roaches vs it you just lose
kind of screwed either way I guess then. Sucks, but 2nd is still good
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