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CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy3286 Posts
January 13 2017 11:40 GMT
#281
...why is Elazer out in the official charts?
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ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
January 13 2017 11:40 GMT
#282
On January 13 2017 20:40 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2017 20:37 ArtyK wrote:
On January 13 2017 20:34 Musicus wrote:
On January 13 2017 20:31 Fango wrote:
On January 13 2017 20:26 Musicus wrote:
On January 13 2017 20:24 Fango wrote:
On January 13 2017 20:19 Musicus wrote:
Pretty stupid that TY is first place with 8-4 vs the 9-2 from Showtime.


Ty beat showtime so its completely fair.

I know that, but still don't think it's fair, since Showtime performed better overall and this format should show who does the best vs all the opponents in the group first, instead of how 2 players did vs each other. Head to head should only come into play when two players haver the same map score imo.

But this opinion is obviously subjective, so I can see your point of view.


Well overall they both went 4-1 in series. I think this kind of tie should be a tie broken by head to head first, then map score if necessary (in this format its not).

Plus both ty and showtime knew they had 1st/2nd in their groups. I doubt there performances on the last series will be amazing (normally players just troll or have fun when the score cant effect their place haha).

So if TY had gone 2-1 in all his wins and had a 8-6 map score vs the 9-2 from Showtime, you still think that TY deserves first?

Every map should count imo, 4-1 in matches is not equal 4-1 in matches, 2-0 is worth more than 2-1 and this also makes sure that every player gives his best even in the last series.

Head to head should come after map score, it's standard and worked this way in other round robin tournaments like DH Winter etc. too.


what if it was bo9 and TY 5-0ed showtime, would he still not deserve 1st place because of map total even though he clearly owns the other? Doesn't make sense...

Makes sense to me if TY performed that much worse vs the other players in the group. This is round robin and not Showtime vs TY (which it should only come down to at the same map score and if Showtime managed to get a better map score despite going 0-5 he deserves first).


why didn't you stop at "let's agree to disagree" now you're triggering me
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28456 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-13 11:42:42
January 13 2017 11:41 GMT
#283
So it is map score first

Edit: Or not, nice confusion
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 13 2017 11:41 GMT
#284
On January 13 2017 20:40 ArtyK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2017 20:40 Musicus wrote:
On January 13 2017 20:37 ArtyK wrote:
On January 13 2017 20:34 Musicus wrote:
On January 13 2017 20:31 Fango wrote:
On January 13 2017 20:26 Musicus wrote:
On January 13 2017 20:24 Fango wrote:
On January 13 2017 20:19 Musicus wrote:
Pretty stupid that TY is first place with 8-4 vs the 9-2 from Showtime.


Ty beat showtime so its completely fair.

I know that, but still don't think it's fair, since Showtime performed better overall and this format should show who does the best vs all the opponents in the group first, instead of how 2 players did vs each other. Head to head should only come into play when two players haver the same map score imo.

But this opinion is obviously subjective, so I can see your point of view.


Well overall they both went 4-1 in series. I think this kind of tie should be a tie broken by head to head first, then map score if necessary (in this format its not).

Plus both ty and showtime knew they had 1st/2nd in their groups. I doubt there performances on the last series will be amazing (normally players just troll or have fun when the score cant effect their place haha).

So if TY had gone 2-1 in all his wins and had a 8-6 map score vs the 9-2 from Showtime, you still think that TY deserves first?

Every map should count imo, 4-1 in matches is not equal 4-1 in matches, 2-0 is worth more than 2-1 and this also makes sure that every player gives his best even in the last series.

Head to head should come after map score, it's standard and worked this way in other round robin tournaments like DH Winter etc. too.


what if it was bo9 and TY 5-0ed showtime, would he still not deserve 1st place because of map total even though he clearly owns the other? Doesn't make sense...

Makes sense to me if TY performed that much worse vs the other players in the group. This is round robin and not Showtime vs TY (which it should only come down to at the same map score and if Showtime managed to get a better map score despite going 0-5 he deserves first).


why didn't you stop at "let's agree to disagree" now you're triggering me

I did end it at that with you, just answered to someone else .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy3286 Posts
January 13 2017 11:42 GMT
#285
MajOr and Elazer are tied in map score but Elazer beat MajOr in their match so I don't get it
ModeratorSC2 LP Admin - My Life for Aiur - Let the Metal flow - @Cynical_Death
seopthi
Profile Blog Joined December 2014
390 Posts
January 13 2017 11:42 GMT
#286
allegedly TY has a fever
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
January 13 2017 11:43 GMT
#287
On January 13 2017 20:42 CynicalDeath wrote:
MajOr and Elazer are tied in map score but Elazer beat MajOr in their match so I don't get it


MajOr won their match
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28456 Posts
January 13 2017 11:43 GMT
#288
They really should just do map score first, head to head second in case of ties
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 13 2017 11:43 GMT
#289
On January 13 2017 20:42 CynicalDeath wrote:
MajOr and Elazer are tied in map score but Elazer beat MajOr in their match so I don't get it

no I think Major beat Elazer according to LP
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy3286 Posts
January 13 2017 11:44 GMT
#290
On January 13 2017 20:43 Inflicted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2017 20:42 CynicalDeath wrote:
MajOr and Elazer are tied in map score but Elazer beat MajOr in their match so I don't get it


MajOr won their match

...yes, I'm just stupid, sorry!
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12046 Posts
January 13 2017 11:44 GMT
#291
I swear these discussions on format are always epic...

No, it doesn't make more or less sense which one they chose, both formats have their merit. As it happens, they chose this one. Deal with it.
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy3286 Posts
January 13 2017 11:45 GMT
#292
...in fact the question was "why is Elazer in and not out" ? ofc I wrote wrong...
ModeratorSC2 LP Admin - My Life for Aiur - Let the Metal flow - @Cynical_Death
ShAd_1337
Profile Joined January 2016
Germany1042 Posts
January 13 2017 11:45 GMT
#293
well showtime must be happy that it's major instead of elazer
I like Dark
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 13 2017 11:47 GMT
#294
On January 13 2017 20:44 Nebuchad wrote:
I swear these discussions on format are always epic...

No, it doesn't make more or less sense which one they chose, both formats have their merit. As it happens, they chose this one. Deal with it.

You can deal with it and still say what you think could be better and hope for improvement in the future.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28456 Posts
January 13 2017 11:47 GMT
#295
Scarlett > Major > Elazer > Scarlett

Scarlett has best map score so out in second

Major same map score as Elazer but Major won their match so Major 3rd, Elazer 4th makes the most sense to me
I Protoss winner, could it be?
CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy3286 Posts
January 13 2017 11:48 GMT
#296
On January 13 2017 20:47 Penev wrote:
Scarlett > Major > Elazer > Scarlett

Scarlett has best map score so out in second

Major same map score as Elazer but Major won their match so Major 3rd, Elazer 4th makes the most sense to me

that's what I think.. so why is Elazer in 3rd place in their tables?
ModeratorSC2 LP Admin - My Life for Aiur - Let the Metal flow - @Cynical_Death
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2949 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-13 11:49:25
January 13 2017 11:48 GMT
#297
On January 13 2017 20:47 Penev wrote:
Scarlett > Major > Elazer > Scarlett

Scarlett has best map score so out in second

Major same map score as Elazer but Major won their match so Major 3rd, Elazer 4th makes the most sense to me


According tp LP the Tie Breaker is as follow:
1. H2H
2. Map Score
3. Head to head results against other players in the group.

And if you take this order, Elazer was better than Major. In the Three-way H2H, Scarlett has the best Mapscore, followed by Elazer and Major.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-13 11:54:15
January 13 2017 11:49 GMT
#298
On January 13 2017 20:47 Penev wrote:
Scarlett > Major > Elazer > Scarlett

Scarlett has best map score so out in second

Major same map score as Elazer but Major won their match so Major 3rd, Elazer 4th makes the most sense to me

Edit: Okay, wait, their way makes sense accoriding to rules.

Forget this
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
January 13 2017 11:49 GMT
#299
Interesting results today, glad Major qualified. Shame for both Kel and Elazer who beat the top people and not get out!
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TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1198 Posts
January 13 2017 11:50 GMT
#300
Tiebreaker rules are

Head to Head
Head to Head Map Score
Global Map Score

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