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On January 14 2017 02:30 Azhrak wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 02:05 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 02:03 bulya wrote:On January 14 2017 01:57 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 01:52 Fango wrote:
Okay now that I've seen the full bracket I think a showtime vs maru and nerchio vs ty are fairly likely semifinals.
Possible upsets are neeb beating nerchio, mlord beating TY, elazer beating showtime.
Maru should win overall. Nerchio vs TY would be Ro8. Seems like the liquipedia WESG page has changed, and the winner of Namshar vs Nerchio will play Neeb in the RO8 while the winner of the french RO12 will play TY. I won't be surprised if something changes by tomorrow... Wait really? They changed it again? <.< I guess if I wake up tomorrow and the whole bracket is fully inverted for no reason I won't be surprised at least. This makes it a bit easier for TY all things considered, Nerchio followed by Neeb would have been a much harder run. I don't think Liquipedia is the official bracket. The official matches can now be seen here. I suppose the organizers didn't change a thing, it's just that Liquipedia got it wrong the first time.
I think the first bracket was added to Liquipedia by one of the admins of the event (Liquipedia had it way before the official site and such). Maybe they just messed up and put people in the wrong place despite knowing the bracket was the other way around (although it took a while to fix).
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On January 13 2017 22:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Imo map score and head to head are both bad ways to do this. Let them play extra games to decide the outcome.
If that isn't possible throw a coin
I actually strongly disagree with using map-score when tied in matches. For one, it's unfair to compare two Bo3's like that. You have a different strategy for a Bo3 than you do for a Bo1 for a reason. If you beat 3 people in a Bo3, and lost to 2 people in a Bo3 with a mapscore of (+2), I consider that to be the exact same as beating 3 people, losing to 2 with a ms of (+3).
I also don't think it should matter who won the Bo3 between the two tied players either. That doesn't make any sense in a Round Robin. Especially because the strategy for a Bo3 could change depending on when it is played (if it's the last Bo3 in the whole RR, it's quite likely the players will be playing differently than if it were any of the others).
Unless there are extreme circumstances preventing them from doing so, it's obvious a tie-breaker should be played. I find nothing more ridiculous than progression in a tournament being decided by something so arbitrary.
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On January 14 2017 04:45 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2017 22:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Imo map score and head to head are both bad ways to do this. Let them play extra games to decide the outcome.
If that isn't possible throw a coin I actually strongly disagree with using map-score when tied in matches. For one, it's unfair to compare two Bo3's like that. You have a different strategy for a Bo3 than you do for a Bo1 for a reason. If you beat 3 people in a Bo3, and lost to 2 people in a Bo3 with a mapscore of (+2), I consider that to be the exact same as beating 3 people, losing to 2 with a ms of (+3). I also don't think it should matter who won the Bo3 between the two tied players either. That doesn't make any sense in a Round Robin. Unless there are extreme circumstances preventing them from doing so, it's obvious a tie-breaker should be played. I find nothing more ridiculous than progression in a tournament being decided by something so arbitrary.
I don't really see why you wouldn't use head-to-head when it's a 2-way tie (not a 3-way tie). A tie breaker match in that situation is essentially the same thing. Maybe even with a psychological disadvantage for whoever won the round robin match (the pressure is now higher and you've shown your preferred strategies to win or maybe your opponent was even half-assing it and not showing theirs).
If it's a 3-way tie I'm totally down for having tie breaker matches, and if the schedule and all demands it they don't have to be streamed either.
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Why would a tie-breaker match be the same thing?? It's an additional 'match' that prevents them from being tied in matches. I consider a match win to be the same, even if it's won with different map scores because that's the point of playing a Bo3 instead of just Bo1's...
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Head to head is reasonable and makes logical sense. people like map score because that's the way DH did it and they're used to it, but in reality what matter is how many sets you win, not how many maps. It's like if other sports used the overall score differential in a seaon to determine playoff spots in tie situations over Head to head comparisons and strength of schedule.
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On January 13 2017 07:55 usopsama wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2017 04:35 Elentos wrote:
I'm convinced something stupid will happen and TY vs Maru will be the semis. I hope not. I don't want a foreigner to make it to the finals by luck and get $100,000, just because there aren't enough Koreans in the tournament.
Woohoo!! Maru vs TY finals.
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On January 14 2017 05:41 Blargh wrote:
Why would a tie-breaker match be the same thing?? It's an additional 'match' that prevents them from being tied in matches. I consider a match win to be the same, even if it's won with different map scores because that's the point of playing a Bo3 instead of just Bo1's...
You said it shouldn't matter who won the best of 3 between the tied players because it doesn't make sense for a round robin. Fair enough, maybe for a system that has everyone play everyone and is focused on who did the best overall across all opponents, looking at the result of the direct comparison between the 2 tied players to see who did better and should advance is not the right way.
So what is your proposed solution? Looking at the result of the direct comparison between the 2 tied players in a second match. Which really doesn't do much to change the "doesn't make sense for round robin" issue.
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I feel pretty robbed tbh under no circumstances scarlett should be tied with us since she lose 2 less maps than me and elazer dhould b tied between me and elazer and i beat him xd
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On January 14 2017 12:25 Major wrote:
I feel pretty robbed tbh under no circumstances scarlett should be tied with us since she lose 2 less maps than me and elazer dhould b tied between me and elazer and i beat him xd
Well, they went by different rules, so they had to follow them. Its ok we got garbage games instead of u vs showtime, sorry papi.
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On January 14 2017 03:51 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 02:30 Azhrak wrote:On January 14 2017 02:05 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 02:03 bulya wrote:On January 14 2017 01:57 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 01:52 Fango wrote:
Okay now that I've seen the full bracket I think a showtime vs maru and nerchio vs ty are fairly likely semifinals.
Possible upsets are neeb beating nerchio, mlord beating TY, elazer beating showtime.
Maru should win overall. Nerchio vs TY would be Ro8. Seems like the liquipedia WESG page has changed, and the winner of Namshar vs Nerchio will play Neeb in the RO8 while the winner of the french RO12 will play TY. I won't be surprised if something changes by tomorrow... Wait really? They changed it again? <.< I guess if I wake up tomorrow and the whole bracket is fully inverted for no reason I won't be surprised at least. This makes it a bit easier for TY all things considered, Nerchio followed by Neeb would have been a much harder run. I don't think Liquipedia is the official bracket. The official matches can now be seen here. I suppose the organizers didn't change a thing, it's just that Liquipedia got it wrong the first time. I think the first bracket was added to Liquipedia by one of the admins of the event (Liquipedia had it way before the official site and such). Maybe they just messed up and put people in the wrong place despite knowing the bracket was the other way around (although it took a while to fix).
The original bracket was added by a Dutch guy, and I doubt he is in China working for WESG. I don't think the WESG organization is updating Liquipedia at all.
I'm just saying this because as great as Liquipedia is, we need to remember that it's not the official source for results.
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I can't believe I'm gonna wake up early on a Sunday just to cheer for a toss to win over terran. Life is indeed stranger than fiction
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On January 14 2017 22:19 Azhrak wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 03:51 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 02:30 Azhrak wrote:On January 14 2017 02:05 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 02:03 bulya wrote:On January 14 2017 01:57 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 01:52 Fango wrote:
Okay now that I've seen the full bracket I think a showtime vs maru and nerchio vs ty are fairly likely semifinals.
Possible upsets are neeb beating nerchio, mlord beating TY, elazer beating showtime.
Maru should win overall. Nerchio vs TY would be Ro8. Seems like the liquipedia WESG page has changed, and the winner of Namshar vs Nerchio will play Neeb in the RO8 while the winner of the french RO12 will play TY. I won't be surprised if something changes by tomorrow... Wait really? They changed it again? <.< I guess if I wake up tomorrow and the whole bracket is fully inverted for no reason I won't be surprised at least. This makes it a bit easier for TY all things considered, Nerchio followed by Neeb would have been a much harder run. I don't think Liquipedia is the official bracket. The official matches can now be seen here. I suppose the organizers didn't change a thing, it's just that Liquipedia got it wrong the first time. I think the first bracket was added to Liquipedia by one of the admins of the event (Liquipedia had it way before the official site and such). Maybe they just messed up and put people in the wrong place despite knowing the bracket was the other way around (although it took a while to fix). The original bracket was added by a Dutch guy, and I doubt he is in China working for WESG. I don't think the WESG organization is updating Liquipedia at all. I'm just saying this because as great as Liquipedia is, we need to remember that it's not the official source for results.
This Dutch guy, no?
On January 14 2017 03:17 VanCaspel wrote:
I'm in Changzhou to help as an admin
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/518185-live-wesg-groups-c-and-d?page=2#26
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On January 14 2017 22:31 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 22:19 Azhrak wrote:On January 14 2017 03:51 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 02:30 Azhrak wrote:On January 14 2017 02:05 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 02:03 bulya wrote:On January 14 2017 01:57 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 01:52 Fango wrote:
Okay now that I've seen the full bracket I think a showtime vs maru and nerchio vs ty are fairly likely semifinals.
Possible upsets are neeb beating nerchio, mlord beating TY, elazer beating showtime.
Maru should win overall. Nerchio vs TY would be Ro8. Seems like the liquipedia WESG page has changed, and the winner of Namshar vs Nerchio will play Neeb in the RO8 while the winner of the french RO12 will play TY. I won't be surprised if something changes by tomorrow... Wait really? They changed it again? <.< I guess if I wake up tomorrow and the whole bracket is fully inverted for no reason I won't be surprised at least. This makes it a bit easier for TY all things considered, Nerchio followed by Neeb would have been a much harder run. I don't think Liquipedia is the official bracket. The official matches can now be seen here. I suppose the organizers didn't change a thing, it's just that Liquipedia got it wrong the first time. I think the first bracket was added to Liquipedia by one of the admins of the event (Liquipedia had it way before the official site and such). Maybe they just messed up and put people in the wrong place despite knowing the bracket was the other way around (although it took a while to fix). The original bracket was added by a Dutch guy, and I doubt he is in China working for WESG. I don't think the WESG organization is updating Liquipedia at all. I'm just saying this because as great as Liquipedia is, we need to remember that it's not the official source for results. This Dutch guy, no? Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 03:17 VanCaspel wrote:
I'm in Changzhou to help as an admin http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/518185-live-wesg-groups-c-and-d?page=2#26
You were right, that's him. I'm positively surprised that someone at WESG is updating Liquipedia.
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