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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
November 18 2016 00:12 GMT
#921
On November 18 2016 09:08 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2016 09:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 18 2016 09:04 DBooN wrote:
On November 18 2016 09:03 Penev wrote:
On November 18 2016 09:01 Ace Frehley wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:58 Penev wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:56 Scarlett` wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:55 Elentos wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
so they're changing everything except for the reapers

"This build is new." - David Kim

yea its almost like i didnt lose homestory cup last december to the same thing

you just have to not let them get there


lol

But, would it help if reaper grenade did no damage and just pushed units away? Or it would be broken the same way?

worth a try at least

not really, there is no reason for the nade to be in the game at all

But the Cool Factor™ that they keep talking about.

Actually those grenades need a buff. They need to be able to knock down buildings as well.
Imagine jumping hatchery! You could make hatchery go down a hole in the ground.
That would be cool!
+ Show Spoiler +
not really

Neosteel Enthusiast
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
November 18 2016 00:12 GMT
#922
On November 18 2016 09:08 Lexender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2016 09:04 DBooN wrote:
On November 18 2016 09:03 Penev wrote:
On November 18 2016 09:01 Ace Frehley wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:58 Penev wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:56 Scarlett` wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:55 Elentos wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
so they're changing everything except for the reapers

"This build is new." - David Kim

yea its almost like i didnt lose homestory cup last december to the same thing

you just have to not let them get there


lol

But, would it help if reaper grenade did no damage and just pushed units away? Or it would be broken the same way?

worth a try at least

not really, there is no reason for the nade to be in the game at all


Reapers are trash without the grenade, by the time a reaper is out theres already adepts/queens/etc out, so they are pretty useless for such a high cost.

Yeah just like they were useless in HotS
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 18 2016 00:12 GMT
#923
On November 18 2016 09:09 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2016 08:54 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:52 Solar424 wrote:
Get rid of this cancer please. Love that otherwise average Terrans like Kelazhur and uThermal can beat top Zergs becaus of this shit.

uthermal average terran?

uThermal was a mid tier terran until around spring of this year, when he suddenly became the top foreign Terran. That's when Terran players realized they can spam reapers and get easy wins.

Blizzard tells me reapers were only strong for the last few weeks. How could this be?
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 18 2016 00:15 GMT
#924
On November 18 2016 09:09 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2016 08:54 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:52 Solar424 wrote:
Get rid of this cancer please. Love that otherwise average Terrans like Kelazhur and uThermal can beat top Zergs becaus of this shit.

uthermal average terran?

uThermal was a mid tier terran until around spring of this year, when he suddenly became the top foreign Terran. That's when Terran players realized they can spam reapers and get easy wins.


It's not like other terrans are forbidden to build reapers. You could argue that ByuN is an average terran with shitty logic like that.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
November 18 2016 00:15 GMT
#925
On November 18 2016 09:12 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2016 09:09 Solar424 wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:54 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:52 Solar424 wrote:
Get rid of this cancer please. Love that otherwise average Terrans like Kelazhur and uThermal can beat top Zergs becaus of this shit.

uthermal average terran?

uThermal was a mid tier terran until around spring of this year, when he suddenly became the top foreign Terran. That's when Terran players realized they can spam reapers and get easy wins.

Blizzard tells me reapers were only strong for the last few weeks. How could this be?

They've been completely unchanged since LotV beta. This map pool just amplifies the ability to do damage. It's like the map pool that made the blink all-in era except it's worse because it's not all-in at all, it hits way sooner, and there's even less the defender can do.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
November 18 2016 00:21 GMT
#926
On November 18 2016 09:15 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2016 09:12 Probe1 wrote:
On November 18 2016 09:09 Solar424 wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:54 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:52 Solar424 wrote:
Get rid of this cancer please. Love that otherwise average Terrans like Kelazhur and uThermal can beat top Zergs becaus of this shit.

uthermal average terran?

uThermal was a mid tier terran until around spring of this year, when he suddenly became the top foreign Terran. That's when Terran players realized they can spam reapers and get easy wins.

Blizzard tells me reapers were only strong for the last few weeks. How could this be?

They've been completely unchanged since LotV beta. This map pool just amplifies the ability to do damage. It's like the map pool that made the blink all-in era except it's worse because it's not all-in at all, it hits way sooner, and there's even less the defender can do.

Yeah poor zergs they can't do anything against 3 rax reapers.
Except actually they can and uThermal ain't gonna win HSC, get over it.
And allin or not doesn't mean much since it's harass based, it's about how well you trade, it's not a single attack.
It's cute seeing random posters / players complain like after Blizzcon tho.
WriterMaru
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 18 2016 00:22 GMT
#927
On November 18 2016 09:15 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2016 09:12 Probe1 wrote:
On November 18 2016 09:09 Solar424 wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:54 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:52 Solar424 wrote:
Get rid of this cancer please. Love that otherwise average Terrans like Kelazhur and uThermal can beat top Zergs becaus of this shit.

uthermal average terran?

uThermal was a mid tier terran until around spring of this year, when he suddenly became the top foreign Terran. That's when Terran players realized they can spam reapers and get easy wins.

Blizzard tells me reapers were only strong for the last few weeks. How could this be?

They've been completely unchanged since LotV beta. This map pool just amplifies the ability to do damage. It's like the map pool that made the blink all-in era except it's worse because it's not all-in at all, it hits way sooner, and there's even less the defender can do.

In all seriousness I totally get what you're saying and think there's some truth to it but Terrans 3rax on any map and say it's because it's a bad map.

They do it on Frost even.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
caznitch
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada645 Posts
November 18 2016 00:23 GMT
#928
where are the B stream vods?!?!? I missed the TY games...
why?
sa1Ko
Profile Joined July 2015
Argentina99 Posts
November 18 2016 00:24 GMT
#929
Incontrol is such a fat frustrated progamer ! thrashing Harstem, Demuslim, etc.... the real progamers , go back to your warhammer boardgame dude !!!

User was warned for this post
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-18 00:27:16
November 18 2016 00:24 GMT
#930
On November 18 2016 09:22 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2016 09:15 Solar424 wrote:
On November 18 2016 09:12 Probe1 wrote:
On November 18 2016 09:09 Solar424 wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:54 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:52 Solar424 wrote:
Get rid of this cancer please. Love that otherwise average Terrans like Kelazhur and uThermal can beat top Zergs becaus of this shit.

uthermal average terran?

uThermal was a mid tier terran until around spring of this year, when he suddenly became the top foreign Terran. That's when Terran players realized they can spam reapers and get easy wins.

Blizzard tells me reapers were only strong for the last few weeks. How could this be?

They've been completely unchanged since LotV beta. This map pool just amplifies the ability to do damage. It's like the map pool that made the blink all-in era except it's worse because it's not all-in at all, it hits way sooner, and there's even less the defender can do.

In all seriousness I totally get what you're saying and think there's some truth to it but Terrans 3rax on any map and say it's because it's a bad map.

They do it on Frost even.

I know, but maps like Frozen and Galactic are so Terran favored in general, it basically makes it so Zerg only has 5 maps it can win on against an equal opponent. Terran can just deny the 4th forever with tanks because of all the cliffs and rocks.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
November 18 2016 00:26 GMT
#931
On November 18 2016 09:21 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2016 09:15 Solar424 wrote:
On November 18 2016 09:12 Probe1 wrote:
On November 18 2016 09:09 Solar424 wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:54 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:52 Solar424 wrote:
Get rid of this cancer please. Love that otherwise average Terrans like Kelazhur and uThermal can beat top Zergs becaus of this shit.

uthermal average terran?

uThermal was a mid tier terran until around spring of this year, when he suddenly became the top foreign Terran. That's when Terran players realized they can spam reapers and get easy wins.

Blizzard tells me reapers were only strong for the last few weeks. How could this be?

They've been completely unchanged since LotV beta. This map pool just amplifies the ability to do damage. It's like the map pool that made the blink all-in era except it's worse because it's not all-in at all, it hits way sooner, and there's even less the defender can do.

Yeah poor zergs they can't do anything against 3 rax reapers.
Except actually they can and uThermal ain't gonna win HSC, get over it.
And allin or not doesn't mean much since it's harass based, it's about how well you trade, it's not a single attack.
It's cute seeing random posters / players complain like after Blizzcon tho.

You mean the Blizzcon that Byun won, which was helped because of reapers? Not saying he would have lost without them, but they certainly helped.
Show me a game where Zerg defends against 3 rax reaper on Frozen Temple against an evenly matched opponent and comes out ahead and I'll be amazed.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28523 Posts
November 18 2016 00:28 GMT
#932
wow lenient mods are lenient
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10110 Posts
November 18 2016 00:31 GMT
#933
looks like uthermal vs scarlett was a 3rax reaper fest ...am i right?
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 18 2016 00:37 GMT
#934
On November 18 2016 09:31 Topin wrote:
looks like uthermal vs scarlett was a 3rax reaper fest ...am i right?

yup. 3-1 scarlett in the first series, 3-0 uthermal in the second.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 18 2016 00:41 GMT
#935
On November 18 2016 09:26 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2016 09:21 Poopi wrote:
On November 18 2016 09:15 Solar424 wrote:
On November 18 2016 09:12 Probe1 wrote:
On November 18 2016 09:09 Solar424 wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:54 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:52 Solar424 wrote:
Get rid of this cancer please. Love that otherwise average Terrans like Kelazhur and uThermal can beat top Zergs becaus of this shit.

uthermal average terran?

uThermal was a mid tier terran until around spring of this year, when he suddenly became the top foreign Terran. That's when Terran players realized they can spam reapers and get easy wins.

Blizzard tells me reapers were only strong for the last few weeks. How could this be?

They've been completely unchanged since LotV beta. This map pool just amplifies the ability to do damage. It's like the map pool that made the blink all-in era except it's worse because it's not all-in at all, it hits way sooner, and there's even less the defender can do.

Yeah poor zergs they can't do anything against 3 rax reapers.
Except actually they can and uThermal ain't gonna win HSC, get over it.
And allin or not doesn't mean much since it's harass based, it's about how well you trade, it's not a single attack.
It's cute seeing random posters / players complain like after Blizzcon tho.

You mean the Blizzcon that Byun won, which was helped because of reapers? Not saying he would have lost without them, but they certainly helped.
Show me a game where Zerg defends against 3 rax reaper on Frozen Temple against an evenly matched opponent and comes out ahead and I'll be amazed.


It does happen occasionally when the terran messes up. ByuN vs soO in VSL team league for example. If both players play very well the terran player ends up slightly ahead.
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2656 Posts
November 18 2016 00:46 GMT
#936
On November 18 2016 09:12 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2016 09:08 Lexender wrote:
On November 18 2016 09:04 DBooN wrote:
On November 18 2016 09:03 Penev wrote:
On November 18 2016 09:01 Ace Frehley wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:58 Penev wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:56 Scarlett` wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:55 Elentos wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
so they're changing everything except for the reapers

"This build is new." - David Kim

yea its almost like i didnt lose homestory cup last december to the same thing

you just have to not let them get there


lol

But, would it help if reaper grenade did no damage and just pushed units away? Or it would be broken the same way?

worth a try at least

not really, there is no reason for the nade to be in the game at all


Reapers are trash without the grenade, by the time a reaper is out theres already adepts/queens/etc out, so they are pretty useless for such a high cost.

Yeah just like they were useless in HotS


You totally ignored what I wrote in my post.

In HotS you started with half the economy so such an early game unit like the reaper was stronger, in LotV is much weaker. Early game economy plays a great role on the strenght of reapers.

dNa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany591 Posts
November 18 2016 00:55 GMT
#937
On November 18 2016 09:09 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2016 08:54 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:52 Solar424 wrote:
Get rid of this cancer please. Love that otherwise average Terrans like Kelazhur and uThermal can beat top Zergs becaus of this shit.

uthermal average terran?

uThermal was a mid tier terran until around spring of this year, when he suddenly became the top foreign Terran. That's when Terran players realized they can spam reapers and get easy wins.


terran players realized that way earlier and also uThermal does way more than just use reapers. Turns out if you find something that works against your opponent you use it to win.
"a pitchfork is for hay. a trident is for killing bitches." -djwheat
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
November 18 2016 00:58 GMT
#938
Any recommended matches?
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 18 2016 01:00 GMT
#939
On November 18 2016 09:58 juicyjames wrote:
Any recommended matches?

Stats vs Scarlett Game 1
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Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
November 18 2016 01:03 GMT
#940
On November 18 2016 09:55 dNa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2016 09:09 Solar424 wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:54 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 18 2016 08:52 Solar424 wrote:
Get rid of this cancer please. Love that otherwise average Terrans like Kelazhur and uThermal can beat top Zergs becaus of this shit.

uthermal average terran?

uThermal was a mid tier terran until around spring of this year, when he suddenly became the top foreign Terran. That's when Terran players realized they can spam reapers and get easy wins.


terran players realized that way earlier and also uThermal does way more than just use reapers. Turns out if you find something that works against your opponent you use it to win.

Yeah, but it works against every opponent.
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