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Elentos
55550 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:52 Nakajin wrote: True story I one started a game, totally fuck up my build by forgeting to build my gas, ragequit then saw in the post game stat that the other guy was afk. Wow RIP free ladder points | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:52 Nakajin wrote: True story I one started a game, totally fuck up my build by forgeting to build my gas, ragequit then saw in the post game stat that the other guy was afk. If you wanna get this feeling a lot, go play team games. The maps are so small that they get regularly mined out, so you are broke as hell, have no army and then the opponents type "gg" and leave, because they are having exactly the same experience and don't realize that it's not exclusive to their team. I feel that this is actually the way we win most 2v2s nowadays. If the people we play against had some faith in themselves, we wouldn't even be in diamond. | ||
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zakadar
Germany409 Posts
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:34 Fango wrote: Tha fact he went the whole way through KeSPA cup without losing a single map. Then the semis happened and he choked. I think he is fine as long as he isn't on the edge of losing. If he's up 2-0 or 3-1 in a series he always wins. It's when it comes down the the deciding match or something. Statistically, TY has not done all that well in LotV against Protoss. He's consistently inconsistent in wins and losses with a 20-17 match history. Now, he performed very well against Zest likely because Zest was not in his best form and because TY knows Zest's playstyle. However, if Stats, ShoWTimE, or Neeblet faces him, I think TY will have some trouble just because TvP has been by far his worst matchup in LotV, where he has a 69% winrate in TvZ and an 81% winrate in TvT. In comparison, Neeblet has a 72% winrate PvT, Stats has a 59% winrate in PvT, and ShoWTime has a 64% winrate in PvT. If Dark and TY get to the finals, I would favour TY. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:55 opisska wrote: If you wanna get this feeling a lot, go play team games. The maps are so small that they get regularly mined out, so you are broke as hell, have no army and then the opponents type "gg" and leave, because they are having exactly the same experience and don't realize that it's not exclusive to their team. I feel that this is actually the way we win most 2v2s nowadays. If the people we play against had some faith in themselves, we wouldn't even be in diamond. I imagine 2v2s/team games in general are a lot more fun if you play with people you know though. I've tried some 2v2s with randoms and it wasn't exactly the pinnacle of entertainment. On November 04 2016 04:01 FrkFrJss wrote: Statistically, TY has not done all that well in LotV against Protoss. He's consistently inconsistent in wins and losses with a 20-17 match history. Now, he performed very well against Zest likely because Zest was not in his best form and because TY knows Zest's playstyle. However, if Stats, ShoWTimE, or Neeblet faces him, I think TY will have some trouble just because TvP has been by far his worst matchup in LotV, where he has a 69% winrate in TvZ and an 81% winrate in TvT. In comparison, Neeblet has a 72% winrate PvT, Stats has a 59% winrate in PvT, and ShoWTime has a 64% winrate in PvT. If Dark and TY get to the finals, I would favour TY. Dark has had TY's number all year and TY is known for choking when it counts but you favor TY because... his winrate is really good? The difference between 55/56 (TY) and 59 (Stats) is not significant and both Neeb and ShoWTimE have mostly played against players who are definitely worse than TY. That's not to say any of them are going to get blown out of the arena, but TY's TvP is a lot better than you make it sound. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On November 04 2016 04:03 Elentos wrote: I imagine 2v2s/team games in general are a lot more fun if you play with people you know though. I've tried some 2v2s with randoms and it wasn't exactly the pinnacle of entertainment. OMG no, don't do that, you might become a serial killer or something. The basic reason why I never understood the popularity of MOBAs and whatnot - how the hell can you play with strangers on your team? You can look for mates on TL - but you need to make sure they are roughly on the same level, or at least with the same mindset (competitive vs. pure fun) as you. Or you can always marry a SC2 player, obviously  But I didn't really want to advertise team games (or my wife), I do that enough - the same point would probably be valid if there were 1v1 maps with just 7 bases or similar weirdness - scrappy situations just make people believe they are in much worse situation that they actually are and there are tons of losses on ladder that are just completely unwarranted ggs. Or, I could have just remembered Idra and the point would be similar | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On November 04 2016 04:18 opisska wrote: OMG no, don't do that, you might become a serial killer or something. The basic reason why I never understood the popularity of MOBAs and whatnot - how the hell can you play with strangers on your team? I mean I don't see the problem in playing with strangers necessarily. But I'll never understand why some of those strangers decide to be total assholes to the people they're supposed to cooperate with. I used to play Halo Wars 3v3 with randoms and every now and then you had that guy who built his hero and started attacking his allies. At that point I'm like "Why did you even bother?" | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On November 04 2016 04:26 Elentos wrote: I mean I don't see the problem in playing with strangers necessarily. But I'll never understand why some of those strangers decide to be total assholes to the people they're supposed to cooperate with. I used to play Halo Wars 3v3 with randoms and every now and then you had that guy who built his hero and started attacking his allies. At that point I'm like "Why did you even bother?" But that is the problem with the strangers - that there will inevitably be assholes and there is not much you can do about it, particularly in SC2 where there is no system of punishment for them. If you pick the "strangers" up on TL, the chance for pure assholery is much smaller. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On November 04 2016 04:03 Elentos wrote: I imagine 2v2s/team games in general are a lot more fun if you play with people you know though. I've tried some 2v2s with randoms and it wasn't exactly the pinnacle of entertainment. Dark has had TY's number all year and TY is known for choking when it counts but you favor TY because... his winrate is really good? The difference between 55/56 (TY) and 59 (Stats) is not significant and both Neeb and ShoWTimE have mostly played against players who are definitely worse than TY. That's not to say any of them are going to get blown out of the arena, but TY's TvP is a lot better than you make it sound. To be fair, Neeb was also known to choke quite heavily. A person's winrate does generally tell how good that person is in a given matchup. It is true that Dark has performed very well vs TY historically, but yes, I would still favour TY. I haven't looked a ton into their history, but I've found two tournament results, a 3-1 and a 3-2 in Dark's favour. I don't really take into account Proleague as much when considering individual results because a lot of people did well there who did very poorly in individual leagues. So a 3-1 and a 3-2 that happened several months ago really doesn't persuade me of Dark's inherent superiority. Also, in the finals, (which I don't take as much stock in), TY beat Dark for KT to advance to the Proleague finals. Also, for TY, I don't think I misrepresented his TvP. I said that it was inconsistent, which it has been. He's gone on several win and loss streaks. He's lost consistently to weaker Protoss, like Trap, Patience, and Dear (who has been a bit of a weaker opponent) so I don't think that his TvP is a matchup I would favour him to win (except against Zest). I just feel that having a 55% winrate in a matchup for a top level pro is fairly low. And yes, Neeb and ShoWTimE have faced worse opponents, but we've seen that at the highest level of play, that doesn't seem to matter as much as it did in the past. The foreigners that we've seen at Blizzcon for the most part seem to be able to compete at a decently even level. Just because Neeb and ShoWTimE have faced "worse" opponents doesn't mean they won't be able to compete or even beat TY if they get past Dark (big IF, of course). | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
On November 04 2016 04:26 Elentos wrote: I mean I don't see the problem in playing with strangers necessarily. But I'll never understand why some of those strangers decide to be total assholes to the people they're supposed to cooperate with. I used to play Halo Wars 3v3 with randoms and every now and then you had that guy who built his hero and started attacking his allies. At that point I'm like "Why did you even bother?" you should get HW2 for pc next year when it comes out. so we can outmacro some scrubs | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
On November 04 2016 06:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ya so, just heard Blizzard made $737 million last quarter. and we get weird al yankovic for the closing ceremonies? with the cash they are bringing in they could've reunited Led Zeppelin and charged $10,000 a ticket. fuck that noise Weird Al is the shit | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On November 04 2016 05:22 FrkFrJss wrote: To be fair, Neeb was also known to choke quite heavily. A person's winrate does generally tell how good that person is in a given matchup. It is true that Dark has performed very well vs TY historically, but yes, I would still favour TY. I haven't looked a ton into their history, but I've found two tournament results, a 3-1 and a 3-2 in Dark's favour. I don't really take into account Proleague as much when considering individual results because a lot of people did well there who did very poorly in individual leagues. So a 3-1 and a 3-2 that happened several months ago really doesn't persuade me of Dark's inherent superiority. Also, in the finals, (which I don't take as much stock in), TY beat Dark for KT to advance to the Proleague finals. Also, for TY, I don't think I misrepresented his TvP. I said that it was inconsistent, which it has been. He's gone on several win and loss streaks. He's lost consistently to weaker Protoss, like Trap, Patience, and Dear (who has been a bit of a weaker opponent) so I don't think that his TvP is a matchup I would favour him to win (except against Zest). I just feel that having a 55% winrate in a matchup for a top level pro is fairly low. And yes, Neeb and ShoWTimE have faced worse opponents, but we've seen that at the highest level of play, that doesn't seem to matter as much as it did in the past. The foreigners that we've seen at Blizzcon for the most part seem to be able to compete at a decently even level. Just because Neeb and ShoWTimE have faced "worse" opponents doesn't mean they won't be able to compete or even beat TY if they get past Dark (big IF, of course). You didn't misrepresent TY's TvP specifically. Here are the offline TvP winrates of all Terrans who made a top 8 in Korea this year (I'd have taken online + offline but the difference in games played becomes too extreme with 100 or more so I settled with offline, the sample sizes are closer to each other and offline matches are generally more important) for 2016 (results from 2015 LotV aren't worth anything at this point; one could probably even justify ignoring LotV TvP results up until the adept nerf): 1.  ByuN - 37-24 (60.66%) in games, 13-8 (61.90%) in matches2. TY - 31-21 (59.62%) in games, 14-9 (60.87%) in matches3. GuMiho - 31-22 (58.49%) in games, 16-10 (61.54%) in matches4. Cure - 16-12 (57.14%) in games, 8-5 (61.54%) in matches5. Maru - 30-27 (52.63%) in games, 16-11 (59.26%) in matches6. aLive - 8-11 (42.11%) in games, 3-7 (30.00%) in matches7. Dream - 5-7 (41.67%) in games, 3-5 (37.50%) in matches8. Ryung - 7-10 (41.18%) in games, 3-6 (33.33%) in matches9. TaeJa - 8-12 (40.00%) in games, 3-4 (42.86%) in matchesAlso for the lulz I looked at the same winrates for the 3 top non-Korean Terrans (per WCS standings). uThermal, MaSa and MarineLorD would take 1st, 2nd and 3rd place on the list. So I guess the TL;DR of this would be that all high level Korean Terrans have trouble against Protoss offline. And I specifically said that I don't mean ShoWTimE or Neeb wouldn't be able to compete (in fact, I'm pretty confident they can if they bring their A-game). But they're still quite a bit removed from being favored or even against TY imo (both of them even specifically pointed out that they wanted to avoid him). I don't want to discredit them or anything, just make clear that despite everything, TY is an extremely scary player. Weird Al gonna educate some nerds. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On November 04 2016 06:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ya so, just heard Blizzard made $737 million last quarter. and we get weird al yankovic for the closing ceremonies? with the cash they are bringing in they could've reunited Led Zeppelin and charged $10,000 a ticket. But why | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
People should learn to appreciate Weird Al, dude puts more effort into his comedy lyrics than most people do for their legit hit singles. They're missing out. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On November 04 2016 07:19 usopsama wrote: Should I quit my job tomorrow, or take a day off from work, to watch Koreans destroy the foreignerlanders? I feel like quitting your job might a bit too drastic. But then again I don't know your work conditions. | ||
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Topin
Peru10078 Posts
On November 04 2016 07:21 Elentos wrote: I feel like quitting your job might a bit too drastic. But then again I don't know your work conditions. what would sOs do? | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
Win 100,000$ out of nowhere? | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On November 04 2016 07:21 Elentos wrote: I feel like quitting your job might a bit too drastic. But then again I don't know your work conditions. My Pashun to see Koreans destroy foreignerlanders compels me to do drastic things. | ||
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