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His ID is still Neeblet

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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 03 2016 16:32 GMT
#241
I will try to post something "hype" in the next 24 hours. It will be silly but you know that's ok.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13980 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-03 16:41:57
November 03 2016 16:40 GMT
#242
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PASHUN

The fact that stats is at the bottom of the poll is fucking bullshit
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 03 2016 16:50 GMT
#243
I was thinking about what do I actually know about these players from the top of my head - about how the play mainly.

Interestingly, I know absolutely nothing about Stats. I know he is good, know about his recent achievements, but I have absolutely nothing associated with him. Embrassedly I have to admit that it's very similar with TY - I have a vague idea that he was good in meticulously executed builds and remember the TY ebay, but that's about it.

On the other end of the spectrum is Dark - maybe it's because I am Zerg, but I have been watching Dark for quite some time and he has been the great Zerg innovator for very long. Yeah, everyone talks about his ZvP, but that's not even remotelly all - remember the great discovery that corruptors are actually good in ZvT?

Zest will forever remain the DT guy But really it's a protoss with balls for bullshit, the guy that will cannon rush you in game 7, but not one that rushes every single game. ByuN is pretty famous for his personal story, but how does he actually play? He has insanely great micro, but his strategies are pretty cookie cutter, right? Maybe it's just because he has been hidden for such a long time?

And know my biggest ignorance comes, because the three chosen foreigners are exactly those I have not much opinion about. Yeah, I am a lousy fan.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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zakadar
Profile Joined December 2015
Germany409 Posts
November 03 2016 17:34 GMT
#244
byun plays almost everygame the same most time commitment on 2 base pressure


stats tis kinda the only korean toss who knows how to play pvz into the later stages of the game and not total aggressiv but can have some strong pushes but rarly goes all in he likes to play the late game and is more defensiv with really great adept harrasment even at minute 20

TY is kinda similiar he is a macro player and u should definitly watch his games he produced a lot of the best games in lotv with his macro style if there is a top 50 games list at the end of the year he should be in the games. He is very different from Byun. Byun pushes and wants to win with crisp mechanics and plays very few bos. TY can always surprise u by suddenly playing mech or snipe strats and he may not have the very best unit controll he has great multitasking and his goal is to outmanuver u in the later stages. and he plays less aggresiv then Byun and really economy heavy
TY my boy gogo
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 03 2016 17:39 GMT
#245
they all play like scrubs compared to NEEBLET
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 03 2016 17:42 GMT
#246
On November 04 2016 02:39 Shellshock wrote:
they all play like scrubs compared to NEEBLET


I always read that as Needlet, which is a tool in data processing, used in kind of a more sophisticated Fourier transform
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
November 03 2016 17:42 GMT
#247
On November 04 2016 01:50 opisska wrote:
I was thinking about what do I actually know about these players from the top of my head - about how the play mainly.

Interestingly, I know absolutely nothing about Stats. I know he is good, know about his recent achievements, but I have absolutely nothing associated with him. Embrassedly I have to admit that it's very similar with TY - I have a vague idea that he was good in meticulously executed builds and remember the TY ebay, but that's about it.

On the other end of the spectrum is Dark - maybe it's because I am Zerg, but I have been watching Dark for quite some time and he has been the great Zerg innovator for very long. Yeah, everyone talks about his ZvP, but that's not even remotelly all - remember the great discovery that corruptors are actually good in ZvT?

Zest will forever remain the DT guy But really it's a protoss with balls for bullshit, the guy that will cannon rush you in game 7, but not one that rushes every single game. ByuN is pretty famous for his personal story, but how does he actually play? He has insanely great micro, but his strategies are pretty cookie cutter, right? Maybe it's just because he has been hidden for such a long time?

And know my biggest ignorance comes, because the three chosen foreigners are exactly those I have not much opinion about. Yeah, I am a lousy fan.

Most of the time, build wise Stats is pretty much the most standard Protoss you could imagine. Not super gimmicky, but solid and conservative and with pretty much all traits that make a guy a good macro Protoss. He's just a lot better than most of his opponents and he can actually hang in there with other top players consistently. Every now and then though, he busts out some really fancy stuff. Last year there was a game in Proleague where he went 1-base proxy colossus with range. This year he had a game against sOs where he took the islands on New Gettysburg and rushed out carriers. But I don't think there's one single aspect about his play that really stands out a ton.

ByuN's builds are very cookie cutter standard, yeah. It's more about the things he does with it, really. The things he can get done with 16 stimmed marines pretty much no other Terran could do. His control is fantastic and his macro pretty much never skips a beat. It's like peak INnoVation (who happens to be ByuN's favorite player) but with emotions and a deep backstory. He wins so many of his games before or during the midgame, but even if it goes late he can always be confident. Of course, he's also pretty predictable. As ShoWTimE said in the Ro16, he watched all games ByuN played against Protoss recently, and ByuN played exactly like he'd expected so it was easy to come up with counters.

TY is a bit tougher to explain. He's not the best micro or macro Terran (but still great in both aspects). But he's very confident in his skill to not only beat his opponents in the late game but also to get to the late game. I think if you averaged out the timings for top Terrans in LotV, TY on average has the fastest 3rd orbitals. But his builds are still quite safe. TY's games on average are also very long. And the longer the game goes, the more he makes use of his biggest talent - his multitasking. TY is an extremely fast player and arguably the best Terran at multitasking. When he hits his stride he can make even world class players look kinda silly. One of the best examples of that was game 1 of the GSL finals (season 1) this year, where he tore Zest a new one after Zest was pretty much invincible against Terran all season long. He mixes it up a lot more than ByuN and as you said, he's very good at coming up and executing those meticulous one-off build.

TY does have a tendency to give his opponents a lot of time to recover when he has a potentially game ending advantage. Sometimes probably even too much. He doesn't want to carelessly throw away his leads with one bad move so he rather drags the game out for another 10 minutes to inflict a slower and more painful death. That can be a pretty big weakness though because sometimes the games even out to the point where a bad fight can once again cost him the game.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
zakadar
Profile Joined December 2015
Germany409 Posts
November 03 2016 17:56 GMT
#248
TY can sometimes lose very weird like vs Trap in kespa cup like he is off off his game
TY my boy gogo
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-03 18:01:22
November 03 2016 17:58 GMT
#249
On November 04 2016 02:56 zakadar wrote:
TY can sometimes lose very weird like vs Trap in kespa cup like he is off off his game

That's TY being a choker. There's a reason that with all his talent, 10 years into his career in eSports, he hasn't won any individual tournaments. Not even online.

And it involves letting the pressure get to him and building a useless 2nd factory in game 6 of the GSL finals.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 03 2016 18:01 GMT
#250
On November 04 2016 02:58 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 02:56 zakadar wrote:
TY can sometimes lose very weird like vs Trap in kespa cup like he is off off his game

That's just TY being a choker. There's a reason that with all his talent, 10 years into his career in eSports, he hasn't won any individual tournaments. Not even online.


That's one thing I find constantly unbelievable - how there are some people like TY who are so insanely consistently good with no titles ... and then there are the snipers and seeds ...
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-03 18:06:32
November 03 2016 18:04 GMT
#251
On November 04 2016 03:01 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 02:58 Elentos wrote:
On November 04 2016 02:56 zakadar wrote:
TY can sometimes lose very weird like vs Trap in kespa cup like he is off off his game

That's just TY being a choker. There's a reason that with all his talent, 10 years into his career in eSports, he hasn't won any individual tournaments. Not even online.


That's one thing I find constantly unbelievable - how there are some people like TY who are so insanely consistently good with no titles ... and then there are the snipers and seeds ...

At least those can be fun. We can still use Sniper as a villain years later because of his GSL win. Who would he be if he lost that GSL final? Nobody. At least now he's that guy who BL/infestor'd himself past a bunch of fan favorites to win a GSL and then became largely irrelevant. And switched games.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
November 03 2016 18:10 GMT
#252
Stats is reeeeaaaaallllllyyyyyyyyy good at dying to explosives

See: stats vs leta brood war some game in proleague
Stats vs maru semi finals gsl? Foxtrot
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zakadar
Profile Joined December 2015
Germany409 Posts
November 03 2016 18:28 GMT
#253
i hope TY manages to play 100% his topform then he can beat everyone
TY my boy gogo
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10082 Posts
November 03 2016 18:32 GMT
#254
TY biggest problems are ByuN and probably Dark in the finals. TY vs Dark will be really close, probably a 7 games series.
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
November 03 2016 18:33 GMT
#255
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEBlet
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
November 03 2016 18:34 GMT
#256
On November 04 2016 02:56 zakadar wrote:
TY can sometimes lose very weird like vs Trap in kespa cup like he is off off his game


Tha fact he went the whole way through KeSPA cup without losing a single map. Then the semis happened and he choked.

I think he is fine as long as he isn't on the edge of losing. If he's up 2-0 or 3-1 in a series he always wins. It's when it comes down the the deciding match or something.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-03 18:39:31
November 03 2016 18:39 GMT
#257
On November 04 2016 03:32 Topin wrote:
TY biggest problems are ByuN and probably Dark in the finals. TY vs Dark will be really close, probably a 7 games series.

TY's biggest problem is his entire bracket. ByuN, Protoss teammate/practice partner who knows everything about his play, Dark or whoever was good enough to beat him.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 03 2016 18:45 GMT
#258
Yeah, the other SC2 players are usually the biggest problem of people in tournaments
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
November 03 2016 18:47 GMT
#259
On November 04 2016 03:45 opisska wrote:
Yeah, the other SC2 players are usually the biggest problem of people in tournaments

Unbelievably so. Although some players are always their own worst enemy.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-03 21:19:51
November 03 2016 18:52 GMT
#260
On November 04 2016 03:47 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 03:45 opisska wrote:
Yeah, the other SC2 players are usually the biggest problem of people in tournaments

Unbelievably so. Although some players are always their own worst enemy.


True story I once started a game, totally fuck up my build by forgeting to build my gas, ragequit then saw in the post game stat that the other guy was afk.
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