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The_Red_Viper
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tlLutpe.jpg) PASHUN The fact that stats is at the bottom of the poll is fucking bullshit | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
Interestingly, I know absolutely nothing about Stats. I know he is good, know about his recent achievements, but I have absolutely nothing associated with him. Embrassedly I have to admit that it's very similar with TY - I have a vague idea that he was good in meticulously executed builds and remember the TY ebay, but that's about it. On the other end of the spectrum is Dark - maybe it's because I am Zerg, but I have been watching Dark for quite some time and he has been the great Zerg innovator for very long. Yeah, everyone talks about his ZvP, but that's not even remotelly all - remember the great discovery that corruptors are actually good in ZvT? Zest will forever remain the DT guy  But really it's a protoss with balls for bullshit, the guy that will cannon rush you in game 7, but not one that rushes every single game. ByuN is pretty famous for his personal story, but how does he actually play? He has insanely great micro, but his strategies are pretty cookie cutter, right? Maybe it's just because he has been hidden for such a long time?And know my biggest ignorance comes, because the three chosen foreigners are exactly those I have not much opinion about. Yeah, I am a lousy fan. | ||
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zakadar
Germany409 Posts
stats tis kinda the only korean toss who knows how to play pvz into the later stages of the game and not total aggressiv but can have some strong pushes but rarly goes all in he likes to play the late game and is more defensiv with really great adept harrasment even at minute 20 TY is kinda similiar he is a macro player and u should definitly watch his games he produced a lot of the best games in lotv with his macro style if there is a top 50 games list at the end of the year he should be in the games. He is very different from Byun. Byun pushes and wants to win with crisp mechanics and plays very few bos. TY can always surprise u by suddenly playing mech or snipe strats and he may not have the very best unit controll he has great multitasking and his goal is to outmanuver u in the later stages. and he plays less aggresiv then Byun and really economy heavy | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On November 04 2016 02:39 Shellshock wrote: they all play like scrubs compared to NEEBLET I always read that as Needlet, which is a tool in data processing, used in kind of a more sophisticated Fourier transform | ||
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Elentos
55555 Posts
On November 04 2016 01:50 opisska wrote: I was thinking about what do I actually know about these players from the top of my head - about how the play mainly. Interestingly, I know absolutely nothing about Stats. I know he is good, know about his recent achievements, but I have absolutely nothing associated with him. Embrassedly I have to admit that it's very similar with TY - I have a vague idea that he was good in meticulously executed builds and remember the TY ebay, but that's about it. On the other end of the spectrum is Dark - maybe it's because I am Zerg, but I have been watching Dark for quite some time and he has been the great Zerg innovator for very long. Yeah, everyone talks about his ZvP, but that's not even remotelly all - remember the great discovery that corruptors are actually good in ZvT? Zest will forever remain the DT guy But really it's a protoss with balls for bullshit, the guy that will cannon rush you in game 7, but not one that rushes every single game. ByuN is pretty famous for his personal story, but how does he actually play? He has insanely great micro, but his strategies are pretty cookie cutter, right? Maybe it's just because he has been hidden for such a long time?And know my biggest ignorance comes, because the three chosen foreigners are exactly those I have not much opinion about. Yeah, I am a lousy fan. Most of the time, build wise Stats is pretty much the most standard Protoss you could imagine. Not super gimmicky, but solid and conservative and with pretty much all traits that make a guy a good macro Protoss. He's just a lot better than most of his opponents and he can actually hang in there with other top players consistently. Every now and then though, he busts out some really fancy stuff. Last year there was a game in Proleague where he went 1-base proxy colossus with range. This year he had a game against sOs where he took the islands on New Gettysburg and rushed out carriers. But I don't think there's one single aspect about his play that really stands out a ton. ByuN's builds are very cookie cutter standard, yeah. It's more about the things he does with it, really. The things he can get done with 16 stimmed marines pretty much no other Terran could do. His control is fantastic and his macro pretty much never skips a beat. It's like peak INnoVation (who happens to be ByuN's favorite player) but with emotions and a deep backstory. He wins so many of his games before or during the midgame, but even if it goes late he can always be confident. Of course, he's also pretty predictable. As ShoWTimE said in the Ro16, he watched all games ByuN played against Protoss recently, and ByuN played exactly like he'd expected so it was easy to come up with counters. TY is a bit tougher to explain. He's not the best micro or macro Terran (but still great in both aspects). But he's very confident in his skill to not only beat his opponents in the late game but also to get to the late game. I think if you averaged out the timings for top Terrans in LotV, TY on average has the fastest 3rd orbitals. But his builds are still quite safe. TY's games on average are also very long. And the longer the game goes, the more he makes use of his biggest talent - his multitasking. TY is an extremely fast player and arguably the best Terran at multitasking. When he hits his stride he can make even world class players look kinda silly. One of the best examples of that was game 1 of the GSL finals (season 1) this year, where he tore Zest a new one after Zest was pretty much invincible against Terran all season long. He mixes it up a lot more than ByuN and as you said, he's very good at coming up and executing those meticulous one-off build. TY does have a tendency to give his opponents a lot of time to recover when he has a potentially game ending advantage. Sometimes probably even too much. He doesn't want to carelessly throw away his leads with one bad move so he rather drags the game out for another 10 minutes to inflict a slower and more painful death. That can be a pretty big weakness though because sometimes the games even out to the point where a bad fight can once again cost him the game. | ||
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zakadar
Germany409 Posts
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Elentos
55555 Posts
On November 04 2016 02:56 zakadar wrote: TY can sometimes lose very weird like vs Trap in kespa cup like he is off off his game That's TY being a choker. There's a reason that with all his talent, 10 years into his career in eSports, he hasn't won any individual tournaments. Not even online. And it involves letting the pressure get to him and building a useless 2nd factory in game 6 of the GSL finals. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On November 04 2016 02:58 Elentos wrote: That's just TY being a choker. There's a reason that with all his talent, 10 years into his career in eSports, he hasn't won any individual tournaments. Not even online. That's one thing I find constantly unbelievable - how there are some people like TY who are so insanely consistently good with no titles ... and then there are the snipers and seeds ... | ||
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Elentos
55555 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:01 opisska wrote: That's one thing I find constantly unbelievable - how there are some people like TY who are so insanely consistently good with no titles ... and then there are the snipers and seeds ... At least those can be fun. We can still use Sniper as a villain years later because of his GSL win. Who would he be if he lost that GSL final? Nobody. At least now he's that guy who BL/infestor'd himself past a bunch of fan favorites to win a GSL and then became largely irrelevant. And switched games. | ||
Jer99
Canada8159 Posts
See: stats vs leta brood war some game in proleague Stats vs maru semi finals gsl? Foxtrot | ||
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zakadar
Germany409 Posts
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Topin
Peru10092 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On November 04 2016 02:56 zakadar wrote: TY can sometimes lose very weird like vs Trap in kespa cup like he is off off his game Tha fact he went the whole way through KeSPA cup without losing a single map. Then the semis happened and he choked. I think he is fine as long as he isn't on the edge of losing. If he's up 2-0 or 3-1 in a series he always wins. It's when it comes down the the deciding match or something. | ||
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Elentos
55555 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:32 Topin wrote: TY biggest problems are ByuN and probably Dark in the finals. TY vs Dark will be really close, probably a 7 games series. TY's biggest problem is his entire bracket. ByuN, Protoss teammate/practice partner who knows everything about his play, Dark or whoever was good enough to beat him. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Elentos
55555 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:45 opisska wrote: Yeah, the other SC2 players are usually the biggest problem of people in tournaments Unbelievably so. Although some players are always their own worst enemy. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:47 Elentos wrote: Unbelievably so. Although some players are always their own worst enemy. True story I once started a game, totally fuck up my build by forgeting to build my gas, ragequit then saw in the post game stat that the other guy was afk. | ||
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