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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
August 14 2016 01:52 GMT
#3641
On August 14 2016 10:48 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:46 Paljas wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:44 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:43 Solar424 wrote:
There has been no single unit in SC2's history that has been that poorly designed


The marine...

marine is one of the best desinged units in the game, wtf man


Ask yourself

Why you can't mech in TvZP
Why other races need that much aoe
Why protoss needs forcefields
Why you're stuck doing the same basic builds since 2010

There's one answer.

Mech has nothing to do with the counters of marines, wtf are you talking about. neither banelings nor Hts make mech unviable.

aoe vs marine is one of the most interesting interactions in the game, very skill full. and nowadays. roach ravager and adept based compositions are viable, without massive aoe.
toss needed forcefields regardless.
and the builds objectively have changed since 2010, you need to stop smoking so much weed my man
TL+ Member
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
August 14 2016 01:52 GMT
#3642
i win this thread

[image loading]

I Protoss winner, could it be?
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 14 2016 01:53 GMT
#3643
On August 14 2016 10:52 Penev wrote:
i win this thread

[image loading]


Yep.
kiss kiss fall in love
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12570 Posts
August 14 2016 01:53 GMT
#3644
On August 14 2016 10:52 Pandain wrote:
Neeb to win it all?
We'll see if true can stop him


The funniest for me is that if Been shows up tomorrow, there will be that one guy who comes up and asks why Neeb is so overrated when he hasn't won any tournaments yet, as if he doesn't have series like this one in basically every tournament^^
No will to live, no wish to die
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4560 Posts
August 14 2016 01:53 GMT
#3645
^ hahahaha ahh the good old warhound days.
hi. big fan.
VHbb
Profile Joined October 2014
692 Posts
August 14 2016 01:54 GMT
#3646
So happy blizzard doesn't listen too much to the "community" feedback, so much whine

I hope for a neeb vs true final at this point !
My life for Aiur !
Pugfarmer
Profile Joined April 2014
70 Posts
August 14 2016 01:54 GMT
#3647
It's amazing that adepts have made it is long without getting nerfed. At least make it so they can't cancel the shade.
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-14 01:55:18
August 14 2016 01:54 GMT
#3648
derp edited
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4560 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-14 01:59:37
August 14 2016 01:54 GMT
#3649
On August 14 2016 10:53 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:52 Pandain wrote:
Neeb to win it all?
We'll see if true can stop him


The funniest for me is that if Been shows up tomorrow, there will be that one guy who comes up and asks why Neeb is so overrated when he hasn't won any tournaments yet, as if he doesn't have series like this one in basically every tournament^^

honestly, like even the casters today, picking scarlett? are you mad? has neeb not tore through enough tournaments 3-0 massacres every which where enough times to get a prediction win? hahaha

also, lost it at Been.
hi. big fan.
CannonKingPrime
Profile Joined August 2016
57 Posts
August 14 2016 01:54 GMT
#3650
Hoping for True vs Polt, don't want to see Neeb retire.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
August 14 2016 01:56 GMT
#3651
On August 14 2016 10:52 Penev wrote:
i win this thread

[image loading]


Remember when Blizzard gave enough of a shit to remove units that were blatantly broken? Fun times.
CannonKingPrime
Profile Joined August 2016
57 Posts
August 14 2016 01:56 GMT
#3652
On August 14 2016 10:56 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:52 Penev wrote:
i win this thread

[image loading]


Remember when Blizzard gave enough of a shit to remove units that were blatantly broken? Fun times.

Hey now, zerg economy would be so hard without queens.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-14 01:57:53
August 14 2016 01:56 GMT
#3653
On August 14 2016 10:48 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:46 Paljas wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:44 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:43 Solar424 wrote:
There has been no single unit in SC2's history that has been that poorly designed


The marine...

marine is one of the best desinged units in the game, wtf man


Ask yourself

Why you can't mech in TvZP
Why other races need that much aoe
Why protoss needs forcefields
Why you're stuck doing the same basic builds since 2010

There's one answer.

Because the pathing allows marines to stay very, very close to each other even while moving and thus have ridiculous dps/area. (flying healers make this even worse)
You could say that is part of the marine, but i would choose to say it's rather a pathing problem.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12570 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-14 02:01:53
August 14 2016 01:59 GMT
#3654
On August 14 2016 10:52 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:48 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:46 Paljas wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:44 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:43 Solar424 wrote:
There has been no single unit in SC2's history that has been that poorly designed


The marine...

marine is one of the best desinged units in the game, wtf man


Ask yourself

Why you can't mech in TvZP
Why other races need that much aoe
Why protoss needs forcefields
Why you're stuck doing the same basic builds since 2010

There's one answer.

Mech has nothing to do with the counters of marines, wtf are you talking about. neither banelings nor Hts make mech unviable.

aoe vs marine is one of the most interesting interactions in the game, very skill full. and nowadays. roach ravager and adept based compositions are viable, without massive aoe.
toss needed forcefields regardless.
and the builds objectively have changed since 2010, you need to stop smoking so much weed my man


The reason why you can't mech in other match-ups than TvT is that if mech is strong, you can simply add marines to your mech and make it even stronger. You cannot keep marine at the level it is right now and have mech be strong at the same time, unless you have terrans sign some sort of Geneva convention that they won't use both at the same time.

Aoe vs marine is very skillful? Damn, I missed you explaining that in every thread about colossi a-clicking during all of WoL and HotS, where were you? On top of not being a very skillful interaction at all, it also forces a tech path of your opponent, which I hear is bad design when the protoss does it to other races.

No, toss didn't need forcefields regardless. Toss needed forcefields because otherwise you could just rally your marine-marauders in the other guys base on Lost Temple and freewin. Against zerg, you were walling off against that, not forcefielding.

The builds have objectively changed in that you added some fancy units into them. The overall goals and the backbone composition are the same.

If you want some of my weed, please come by, I'm always happy to share.
No will to live, no wish to die
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
August 14 2016 02:00 GMT
#3655
Drugs are bad for you.
breaker1328
Profile Joined March 2016
Canada301 Posts
August 14 2016 02:03 GMT
#3656
I know I might be bringing up old games here, not sure of whatever patches affected this match up but Snute beat Zest when Zest went Adept/Phoenix. Showtime beat Snute with the same build.

If your opponent doesn't know how to beat Adepts, that's on them. In this very tournament Scarlett held early Adept pressure from Puck with very little trouble and had the quickest 3-0 that I can remember.

At this point I'm not really sure if Adepts are the problem, I can never win with them. I think it comes down to the player and Neeb's PvZ is incredible.
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2665 Posts
August 14 2016 02:04 GMT
#3657
On August 14 2016 10:59 Nebuchad wrote:
The reason why you can't mech in other match-ups than TvT is that if mech is strong, you can simply add marines to your mech and make it even stronger. You cannot keep marine at the level it is right now and have mech be strong at the same time, unless you have terrans sign some sort of Geneva convention that they won't use both at the same time.


If that were the case mech wouldn't be viable even in TvT.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12570 Posts
August 14 2016 02:05 GMT
#3658
On August 14 2016 10:54 Pugfarmer wrote:
At least make it so they can't cancel the shade.


"At least make them useless"...
No will to live, no wish to die
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4560 Posts
August 14 2016 02:07 GMT
#3659
On August 14 2016 11:05 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:54 Pugfarmer wrote:
At least make it so they can't cancel the shade.


"At least make them useless"...

Just need a longer cool down.
hi. big fan.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 14 2016 02:07 GMT
#3660
On August 14 2016 11:05 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:54 Pugfarmer wrote:
At least make it so they can't cancel the shade.


"At least make them useless"...

Hardly would be useless
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
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