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Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-14 04:50:15
August 14 2016 04:49 GMT
#3681
On August 14 2016 13:37 Pandain wrote:
@Soularion, you can't even be mad about True's performance. He's technically only beaten people who were behind him in the power rank, although of course it is important in how impressively he dismantled them.

Edit: Except Snute. Forgot about him. But Snute can be inconsistent anyway.

Oh yeah, I'm not too surprised at the results at all, and him winning this tournament won't automatically place him at #1 or anything. I figured he would be more chaotic and show more scattershot play that would, everything else being equal, probably get him into the finals with this bracket; but instead he showed a lot more consistent cleverness and a lot more raw skill than I expected and that his position probably warrants. I'm not sure if this is a run of good form or if it's actually what we can expect from him on a consistent basis - and no matter what happens that can't be proven because of how fucking wonky his bracket is - but I definitely didn't expect this level of consistency from him.

Presuming he wins the tournament over Neeb in the finals, this is his bracket based entirely on results (presuming closer series) and not on play, which is what actually surprised me.
Ro32 over Snute : good result, but snute did under perform big against Guru last time, so not too big of a surprise
Ro16 over Harstem : Harstem underperformed big and has yet to show up to a WCS in good form, no surprise
Ro8 over Welmu : Player who relied on surprise to take upsets, TRUE knows what's up, no surprise
Ro4 over HeRoMaRinE : Player who relied (somewhat) on surprise/TvT to take upsets, TRUE can expect it, no surprise
Ro2 over Neeb : Historically bad in finals, chokes a lot, gets very nervous, not much of a surprise

A championship for TRUE with everything else being equal and TRUE being a more inconsistent player would still be totally possible, and doesn't even disqualify his placement in my PR imo. It's more his play and the skill he showed that makes me rethink his placement; him and PtitDrogo are the only people who would get a significant bump from the play they showed.

On August 14 2016 13:48 showstealer1829 wrote:
I have a question that someone might know. Polt already has a Global Finals spot, what happens if he wins? Does the seed go to the runner-up or does it go back into the pool?

it goes back into pool and 6 player go from WCS points instead of 5.
Writermaru pls
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7157 Posts
August 14 2016 05:46 GMT
#3682
On August 14 2016 10:59 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:52 Paljas wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:48 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:46 Paljas wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:44 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:43 Solar424 wrote:
There has been no single unit in SC2's history that has been that poorly designed


The marine...

marine is one of the best desinged units in the game, wtf man


Ask yourself

Why you can't mech in TvZP
Why other races need that much aoe
Why protoss needs forcefields
Why you're stuck doing the same basic builds since 2010

There's one answer.

Mech has nothing to do with the counters of marines, wtf are you talking about. neither banelings nor Hts make mech unviable.

aoe vs marine is one of the most interesting interactions in the game, very skill full. and nowadays. roach ravager and adept based compositions are viable, without massive aoe.
toss needed forcefields regardless.
and the builds objectively have changed since 2010, you need to stop smoking so much weed my man


The reason why you can't mech in other match-ups than TvT is that if mech is strong, you can simply add marines to your mech and make it even stronger. You cannot keep marine at the level it is right now and have mech be strong at the same time, unless you have terrans sign some sort of Geneva convention that they won't use both at the same time.

What the fuck are you on? Going mech and also doing marines would be like the worst shit ever because you need to research upgrades for both paths, make both raxes and factories and still try to actually get a good enough eco rolling.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
August 14 2016 06:18 GMT
#3683
Damn, Neeb is a beast! His builds and execution are so clean, wp!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
August 14 2016 07:05 GMT
#3684
Think you're trying to read too much into people on the Internet shit talking Soularion. It's kinda just what people do, i mean look at the cancer that is twitch chat. They're all watching the game but all they do is spam nonsensical crap.

If we didn't enjoy the game i really don't think we'd be on TL posting and watching the games. Apart from maybe a couple exceptions of course.

People get salty when their players or races lose to nasty looking builds, as it has always been.

That said, fuck Protoss.
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
August 14 2016 07:26 GMT
#3685
On August 14 2016 16:05 Phredxor wrote:
Think you're trying to read too much into people on the Internet shit talking Soularion. It's kinda just what people do, i mean look at the cancer that is twitch chat. They're all watching the game but all they do is spam nonsensical crap.

If we didn't enjoy the game i really don't think we'd be on TL posting and watching the games. Apart from maybe a couple exceptions of course.

People get salty when their players or races lose to nasty looking builds, as it has always been.

That said, fuck Protoss.

Meh, it's a sentiment I see with bigger people than just random trolls on the interwebs, although perhaps I expressed it at a relatively insignificant thing. Just know - no matter how dark and dim it might seem sometimes, Starcraft is alive. Young, new people are still in the scene, and still loving every second it. I think I'm proof enough of that
Writermaru pls
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
August 14 2016 07:57 GMT
#3686
Meh, these Koreans are too good. RIP my sig.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-14 09:15:40
August 14 2016 09:13 GMT
#3687
It is true ofc that there are people expressing their opinions about Starcraft in a very negative way but I often get the feeling people who respond to them make the thread look worse than it really is. Often when I check the legitimacy of such a response I count very little actual whining. Don't get me wrong, there certainly is whining but it's often a lot less than people make it out to be.

Edit: It would be nice if people would just respond to the post(s) they have a problem with and not make a general one that declares the whole threat invalid.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 14 2016 09:23 GMT
#3688
people in general "whine" because they care about the game. I think lotv does have a lot of very questionable things going on and hope this will change. If you think it's already as good as it could be that is fine, but not everybody feels that way and saying who is right or wrong about this is rather difficult (impossible?)
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
August 14 2016 09:50 GMT
#3689
After watching Neeb's pvz I dont feel that salty about Hydra's loss. Adepts have become ridiculous and there is a need for changes asap. I didnt watch much of the broodlord infestor era but I bet it was not as bad as the Adepts.

User was warned for this post
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 14 2016 10:09 GMT
#3690
DAE Scarlett #1 foreigner?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
August 14 2016 10:18 GMT
#3691
On August 14 2016 19:09 Ej_ wrote:
DAE Scarlett #1 foreigner?


Wtf is wrong with you?

Have you already forgotten Scoobers?
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
August 14 2016 10:53 GMT
#3692
On August 14 2016 19:18 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 19:09 Ej_ wrote:
DAE Scarlett #1 foreigner?


Wtf is wrong with you?

Have you already forgotten Scoobers?


Sjaak's GSL win should be here any time now
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Vertigro
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom261 Posts
August 14 2016 12:01 GMT
#3693
On August 14 2016 10:37 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:35 Parrek wrote:
To be honest, I think this happened because Neeb knew Scarlett was weak to it

i don't think so. neeb adept all ins quite often on this map, esp if z goes 3 hatch first, in an interview (shanghai?) he stated that he almost always does it on this map.


How shit is that? Just being able to repeatedly do the same build on a map with no deeper thought because you know it'll probably win. I haven't watched a lot of starcraft since the HoTS days and it just seems that adepts have turned a lot of average protoss players into very good protoss players.
"..." - Greg 'IdrA' Fields +++ DeMuslim, Naniwa, Jaedong, Hero, Suppy! <3 <3
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
August 14 2016 12:23 GMT
#3694
I wish I could help shitpost this thread through championship sunday, but I'm going to be a friends house playing smash all day.
Chain 1 Arthalion Chain 2 Urgula Chain 3 Mululu Chain 4 Lukias
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
August 14 2016 13:02 GMT
#3695
why am I going out today, why have I decided to have friends ;;
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
August 14 2016 13:06 GMT
#3696
Fuck friends. People die, Starcraft is forever.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 14 2016 13:06 GMT
#3697
On August 14 2016 22:06 True_Spike wrote:
Fuck friends. People die, Starcraft is forever.

What is dead may never die.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
August 14 2016 13:11 GMT
#3698
On August 14 2016 22:06 True_Spike wrote:
Fuck friends. People die, Starcraft is forever.

exactly. I wonder if they'd understand if I told them I couldn't come because I need to watch a small asian-looking man talk about a video game
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-14 13:13:44
August 14 2016 13:13 GMT
#3699
edit: I want to be able to delete posts
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
August 14 2016 13:17 GMT
#3700
On August 14 2016 22:13 Alchemik wrote:
edit: I want to be able to delete posts

that would be nice...
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