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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
August 14 2016 01:45 GMT
#3621
On August 14 2016 10:44 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:38 Penev wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:37 Solar424 wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:36 ArtyK wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:36 Solar424 wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:34 FataLe wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:33 Solar424 wrote:
I have absolutely no idea what she could have possibly done better that game. She saw the attack coming, split her army, built the "counter" to adepts, sniped the Warp Prism, and still lost. Adepts are the most flawed unit I have ever seen in SC2. That was straight up retarded.

na she saw 4 adepts at the bushes. then made a full round of drones. then neeb warped in and pushed. watch the vod.

Okay, so she makes one mistake and therefore loses. Fucking love how well designed this matchup is. Well done Blizz, SC2 is better than it's ever been, just keep listening to your echo chamber and watch the viewers and playerbase leave.


payback for bl infestor

Toss had Soul Train, so it balanced out back then.

don't forget archon toilet

I miss Archon Toilet.
Bring vortex back! Make Mothership great again!


Frankly I'm still salty they took out the planet cracker ability
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 14 2016 01:45 GMT
#3622
On August 14 2016 10:43 Solar424 wrote:
Adepts have basically thrown any argument that SC2 is the best it's ever been out the window. There has been no single unit in SC2's history that has been that poorly designed and, not only allowed to be put into the final release of the game, has managed to stay just as broken for nearly a year. Guess we just have to wait for the next Community Feedback update for David Kim to tell us that the game is fine


Nice hyperbolic whining.
CannonKingPrime
Profile Joined August 2016
57 Posts
August 14 2016 01:45 GMT
#3623
On August 14 2016 10:44 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:43 Solar424 wrote:
There has been no single unit in SC2's history that has been that poorly designed


The marine...

I think everybody can agree insta-fungal infestors were the worst.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
August 14 2016 01:45 GMT
#3624
On August 14 2016 10:42 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:38 Solar424 wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:37 blade55555 wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:36 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:34 blade55555 wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:34 Ace Frehley wrote:
How long did it take blizzard to tone down hellbats at the beginning of hots?
This is as retarded as hellbats were


Not too long. I felt like hellbats got nerfed pretty quickly.


But maybe in six months zergs will find the perfect combination of units to defeat this, and therefore nerfing is a mistake, right?


Sure, but as a note that Mass adepts have been a thing since at least January. I remember facing this build a lot back then (haven't played as much lately, but it is still popular I see). I remember raging against it quiet a bit

Mass adepts have been a thing since they were introduced, and yet Blizzard refuses to nerf them harder.


Since release of LotV PvZ was in awful state for over half year, barely hovering above 40%. Blizz didn't do anything to fix that, and when toss found some answers (Immortals) it got instantly nerfed. Why don't we say "hey let's give zergs more time to adapt!"?

They've had months to adapt and NO ONE has found an answer to a properly executed Adept all-in that isn't really an all-in because Toss can build a third and probes behind it because reasons. It's Soul Train levels of imbalance.
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
August 14 2016 01:46 GMT
#3625
On August 14 2016 10:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:43 Solar424 wrote:
Adepts have basically thrown any argument that SC2 is the best it's ever been out the window. There has been no single unit in SC2's history that has been that poorly designed and, not only allowed to be put into the final release of the game, has managed to stay just as broken for nearly a year. Guess we just have to wait for the next Community Feedback update for David Kim to tell us that the game is fine


Nice hyperbolic whining.


inb4 they announce removal of swarm host and tempest from the game tomorrow at the conference
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
August 14 2016 01:46 GMT
#3626
On August 14 2016 10:44 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:43 Solar424 wrote:
There has been no single unit in SC2's history that has been that poorly designed


The marine...

marine is one of the best desinged units in the game, wtf man
TL+ Member
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
August 14 2016 01:46 GMT
#3627
TRUE to secure his blizzcon place tomorrow
rip passion
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
August 14 2016 01:46 GMT
#3628
On August 14 2016 10:43 Nerchio wrote:
I actually think that Heromarine might have a shot at winning this tournament

I mean everybody still in the tournament always have a shot...
why even
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
August 14 2016 01:46 GMT
#3629
On August 14 2016 10:45 CannonKingPrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:44 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:43 Solar424 wrote:
There has been no single unit in SC2's history that has been that poorly designed


The marine...

I think everybody can agree insta-fungal infestors were the worst.


Oh we're actually doing units from before they were balanced?

Fine: 2 armor 1 supply roaches.

GG
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
OsaX Nymloth
Profile Joined March 2013
Poland3244 Posts
August 14 2016 01:46 GMT
#3630
On August 14 2016 10:44 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:39 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:34 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:33 Deathstar wrote:
Are adepts supposed to make this game more fun? Is this a joke?

here is a good rule of thumb, if it takes less apm to execute harass than it does to stop it, it's too strong


Widow Mines? Liberators? Shift-dropping bio? All require way more apm to defend from those.

i like how this whole LR thread is now a salt mine. We have 1 toss in top4. Nerf instantly blizz pls!

you mistake salt for Scarlett losing with disgust caused by the third game


I see lots of salt. I know I'm salty as hell after today's ladder for sure. And damn I don't even like adepts, they're even ruining PvP nowadays.
Twitter: @osaxnymloth
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 14 2016 01:46 GMT
#3631
The problem with these adept styles is that you need a lot more supply defending that stuff 100% than the attacker needs to invest. Adepts simply shade from A to B and wherever is less supply you stay/shade there.
In the meantime you kill workers.

Adepts would maybe work as a harass unit if they weren't tanky at all. They are though which means you need a lot of army at either place to defend reliably.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
August 14 2016 01:47 GMT
#3632
On August 14 2016 10:45 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:44 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:38 Penev wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:37 Solar424 wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:36 ArtyK wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:36 Solar424 wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:34 FataLe wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:33 Solar424 wrote:
I have absolutely no idea what she could have possibly done better that game. She saw the attack coming, split her army, built the "counter" to adepts, sniped the Warp Prism, and still lost. Adepts are the most flawed unit I have ever seen in SC2. That was straight up retarded.

na she saw 4 adepts at the bushes. then made a full round of drones. then neeb warped in and pushed. watch the vod.

Okay, so she makes one mistake and therefore loses. Fucking love how well designed this matchup is. Well done Blizz, SC2 is better than it's ever been, just keep listening to your echo chamber and watch the viewers and playerbase leave.


payback for bl infestor

Toss had Soul Train, so it balanced out back then.

don't forget archon toilet

I miss Archon Toilet.
Bring vortex back! Make Mothership great again!


Frankly I'm still salty they took out the planet cracker ability

and the time bomb
Chain 1 Arthalion Chain 2 Urgula Chain 3 Mululu Chain 4 Lukias
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
August 14 2016 01:47 GMT
#3633
On August 14 2016 10:44 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:43 Solar424 wrote:
There has been no single unit in SC2's history that has been that poorly designed


The marine...

Marines are basically the perfect all-around unit, but there's at least something that can be done against them. Adepts just seemingly do whatever the fuck they want.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24236 Posts
August 14 2016 01:48 GMT
#3634
an adept nerf (and probably ultra armor nerf) is probably in the next balance test map
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12365 Posts
August 14 2016 01:48 GMT
#3635
On August 14 2016 10:46 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:44 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:43 Solar424 wrote:
There has been no single unit in SC2's history that has been that poorly designed


The marine...

marine is one of the best desinged units in the game, wtf man


Ask yourself

Why you can't mech in TvZP
Why other races need that much aoe
Why protoss needs forcefields
Why you're stuck doing the same basic builds since 2010

There's one answer.
No will to live, no wish to die
CannonKingPrime
Profile Joined August 2016
57 Posts
August 14 2016 01:48 GMT
#3636
On August 14 2016 10:46 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:45 CannonKingPrime wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:44 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:43 Solar424 wrote:
There has been no single unit in SC2's history that has been that poorly designed


The marine...

I think everybody can agree insta-fungal infestors were the worst.


Oh we're actually doing units from before they were balanced?

Fine: 2 armor 1 supply roaches.

GG

That was patched out pretty early though. Those infestors broke every matchup in professional play for some time.
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
August 14 2016 01:48 GMT
#3637
On August 14 2016 10:48 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:46 Paljas wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:44 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:43 Solar424 wrote:
There has been no single unit in SC2's history that has been that poorly designed


The marine...

marine is one of the best desinged units in the game, wtf man


Ask yourself

Why you can't mech in TvZP
Why other races need that much aoe
Why protoss needs forcefields
Why you're stuck doing the same basic builds since 2010

There's one answer.


zerg
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-14 01:50:17
August 14 2016 01:49 GMT
#3638
Maybe the problem is zerg, whenever roaches are supposed to be the solution its not a solution. lol
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12365 Posts
August 14 2016 01:51 GMT
#3639
On August 14 2016 10:47 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2016 10:44 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 14 2016 10:43 Solar424 wrote:
There has been no single unit in SC2's history that has been that poorly designed


The marine...

Marines are basically the perfect all-around unit, but there's at least something that can be done against them. Adepts just seemingly do whatever the fuck they want.


Well it's good that you at least added "seemingly" in there.
No will to live, no wish to die
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
August 14 2016 01:52 GMT
#3640
Neeb to win it all?
We'll see if true can stop him
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