I'm hoping Impact can pull some kind of upset here and prove all the doubters wrong but... Well... He's been known to choke hard when it really matters so... GL Impact... I'm assuming Dear and ByuN are going to #rekt this group.
On June 16 2016 06:10 GTR wrote: Artosis will be casting with Valdes for this SSL Group! I'm in Japan for the next four days so I couldn't fill in for today
Can't wait to see Artosis lose his mind doing this.
On June 16 2016 13:13 Shellshock wrote: does the viking get credit for all the kills on the lings inside the overlords? like i've never looked when anything killed a few drop ship
i will not enjoy that ryung vs reality game as much as the casters on principle for the fact that TvT isn't diverse in army comps like they were in HotS/WoL
On June 16 2016 14:06 KingofdaHipHop wrote: ZvZ is good without being roach ravager v roach ravager
which is weird cause i loved roach v roach in HotS
you say that but muta vs muta is still the stupidest matchup in SC2
muta vs muta is pretty dumb i will give you that
I'll shit post about balance all day but I'm pretty sure I've had more confusing and bullshit losses in muta vs muta than anything protoss/terran has ever thrown at me.
On June 16 2016 15:03 chipmonklord17 wrote: So alive just builds a turret at his production and 1 at each mineral line and Rogue loses right? Alive has too early a 3rd
On June 16 2016 15:03 chipmonklord17 wrote: So alive just builds a turret at his production and 1 at each mineral line and Rogue loses right? Alive has too early a 3rd
Propably.
aLive was slow with the turrets, but even so he's in a pretty good place.
On June 16 2016 15:03 chipmonklord17 wrote: So alive just builds a turret at his production and 1 at each mineral line and Rogue loses right? Alive has too early a 3rd
I don't understand why jjakji didn't continue to build after that 1 supply that blocked the bridge. If he built another supply behind that initial one, and then an ebay afterwards, he could have forever delayed the push..
On June 16 2016 15:34 Seeker wrote: I don't understand why jjakji didn't continue to build after that 1 supply that blocked the bridge. If he built another supply behind that initial one, and then an ebay afterwards, he could have forever delayed the push..
On June 16 2016 15:34 Seeker wrote: I don't understand why jjakji didn't continue to build after that 1 supply that blocked the bridge. If he built another supply behind that initial one, and then an ebay afterwards, he could have forever delayed the push..
On June 16 2016 15:34 Seeker wrote: I don't understand why jjakji didn't continue to build after that 1 supply that blocked the bridge. If he built another supply behind that initial one, and then an ebay afterwards, he could have forever delayed the push..
and put a planetary behind all that, fuck yea
with early high-sec auto-tracking upgrade this would work even better.
On June 16 2016 15:34 Seeker wrote: I don't understand why jjakji didn't continue to build after that 1 supply that blocked the bridge. If he built another supply behind that initial one, and then an ebay afterwards, he could have forever delayed the push..
On June 16 2016 15:34 Seeker wrote: I don't understand why jjakji didn't continue to build after that 1 supply that blocked the bridge. If he built another supply behind that initial one, and then an ebay afterwards, he could have forever delayed the push..
and put a planetary behind all that, fuck yea
with early high-sec auto-tracking upgrade this would work even better.
get building armor and Gretorp might make a comeback
On June 16 2016 15:34 Seeker wrote: I don't understand why jjakji didn't continue to build after that 1 supply that blocked the bridge. If he built another supply behind that initial one, and then an ebay afterwards, he could have forever delayed the push..
On June 16 2016 15:34 Seeker wrote: I don't understand why jjakji didn't continue to build after that 1 supply that blocked the bridge. If he built another supply behind that initial one, and then an ebay afterwards, he could have forever delayed the push..
and put a planetary behind all that, fuck yea
and still loses due to being outranged by pylons.
nah range upgrade
Good point. Also helps the turrets needed to zone the oracle and msc.
On June 16 2016 15:44 Die4Ever wrote: SC2 needs the voting cards at the end of the match like Overwatch has, so we could see how many units Byun hit with reaper grenades
nah cause it would just be pylon 1 and pylon 8 and pylon 9 with 30 kills
On June 16 2016 15:44 Die4Ever wrote: SC2 needs the voting cards at the end of the match like Overwatch has, so we could see how many units Byun hit with reaper grenades
nah cause it would just be pylon 1 and pylon 8 and pylon 9 with 30 kills
PLAY OF THE GAME *mothership core slowly floating away from the enemy army as it dies and it keeps getting kills from the pylons it overcharged*
On June 16 2016 15:44 Die4Ever wrote: SC2 needs the voting cards at the end of the match like Overwatch has, so we could see how many units Byun hit with reaper grenades
nah cause it would just be pylon 1 and pylon 8 and pylon 9 with 30 kills
PLAY OF THE GAME *mothership core slowly floating away from the enemy army as it dies and it keeps getting kills from the pylons it overcharged*
On June 16 2016 15:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote: i keep dozing off during the ZvTs, i wonder why
That reminds me, I fell asleep during that Armani Departure series. Someone said Armani was matchfixing levels of bad. Worth a watch for a laugh? Or was it just sad?
On June 16 2016 15:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote: i keep dozing off during the ZvTs, i wonder why
That reminds me, I fell asleep during that Armani Departure series. Someone said Armani was matchfixing levels of bad. Worth a watch for a laugh? Or was it just sad?
i dont know i went back to grab water and i came back to tasteless saying is this broodwar in response to armani's 3rd hatch being on the ramp
On June 16 2016 15:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote: i keep dozing off during the ZvTs, i wonder why
That reminds me, I fell asleep during that Armani Departure series. Someone said Armani was matchfixing levels of bad. Worth a watch for a laugh? Or was it just sad?
i dont know i went back to grab water and i came back to tasteless saying is this broodwar in response to armani's 3rd hatch being on the ramp
speaking of which I would like Team Liquid to do another Ask The Pros or whatver it was called to see how they all view the state of balance, certain units, like they did in HotS and beginning of LotV (bomber's adept comment lol)
On June 16 2016 16:01 KingofdaHipHop wrote: speaking of which I would like Team Liquid to do another Ask The Pros or whatver it was called to see how they all view the state of balance, certain units, like they did in HotS and beginning of LotV (bomber's adept comment lol)
I too can't wait for everyone to announce they're switching to Protoss.
On June 16 2016 16:01 KingofdaHipHop wrote: speaking of which I would like Team Liquid to do another Ask The Pros or whatver it was called to see how they all view the state of balance, certain units, like they did in HotS and beginning of LotV (bomber's adept comment lol)
Each time I see those I feel sympathy for David Kim.
On June 16 2016 16:01 KingofdaHipHop wrote: speaking of which I would like Team Liquid to do another Ask The Pros or whatver it was called to see how they all view the state of balance, certain units, like they did in HotS and beginning of LotV (bomber's adept comment lol)
On June 16 2016 16:01 KingofdaHipHop wrote: speaking of which I would like Team Liquid to do another Ask The Pros or whatver it was called to see how they all view the state of balance, certain units, like they did in HotS and beginning of LotV (bomber's adept comment lol)
[Insert player here]: Fuck Protoss
Done
Inca: I think the game is pretty dynamic at the moment
On June 16 2016 16:01 KingofdaHipHop wrote: speaking of which I would like Team Liquid to do another Ask The Pros or whatver it was called to see how they all view the state of balance, certain units, like they did in HotS and beginning of LotV (bomber's adept comment lol)
On June 16 2016 16:01 KingofdaHipHop wrote: speaking of which I would like Team Liquid to do another Ask The Pros or whatver it was called to see how they all view the state of balance, certain units, like they did in HotS and beginning of LotV (bomber's adept comment lol)
On June 14 2016 06:49 Liquid`Snute wrote: yeah, i don't think sticking to zerg was a very smart choice for legacy, it's a bit late to switch but after a game like that i'm more convinced than ever that protoss is the way to go if you want to play this game professionally
On June 16 2016 16:11 Seeker wrote: lol these games are so damn frustrating to watch...
I feel so bad for the Korean players. The game is frustrating in its current state balance wise, and if they fix the game in 2 months it doesn't matter because they get knocked out for the year after groups/code A ends next week
On June 16 2016 16:11 Seeker wrote: lol these games are so damn frustrating to watch...
I feel so bad for the Korean players. The game is frustrating in its current state balance wise, and if they fix the game in 2 months it doesn't matter because they get knocked out for the year after groups/code A ends next week
I agree. The only reason I'm not balance whining right now is because I'm staff and I have to set an example. But my freaking god I have so much shit I want to say that I'm pretty damn sure I would get temp banned instantly.
On June 16 2016 16:11 Seeker wrote: lol these games are so damn frustrating to watch...
I feel so bad for the Korean players. The game is frustrating in its current state balance wise, and if they fix the game in 2 months it doesn't matter because they get knocked out for the year after groups/code A ends next week
I agree. The only reason I'm not balance whining right now is because I'm staff and I have to set an example. But my freaking god I have so much shit I want to say that I'm pretty damn sure I would get temp banned instantly.
you gotta cleverly vent the frustration and defuse it with humor
On June 16 2016 16:11 Seeker wrote: lol these games are so damn frustrating to watch...
I feel so bad for the Korean players. The game is frustrating in its current state balance wise, and if they fix the game in 2 months it doesn't matter because they get knocked out for the year after groups/code A ends next week
I agree. The only reason I'm not balance whining right now is because I'm staff and I have to set an example. But my freaking god I have so much shit I want to say that I'm pretty damn sure I would get temp banned instantly.
On June 16 2016 16:11 Seeker wrote: lol these games are so damn frustrating to watch...
I feel so bad for the Korean players. The game is frustrating in its current state balance wise, and if they fix the game in 2 months it doesn't matter because they get knocked out for the year after groups/code A ends next week
I agree. The only reason I'm not balance whining right now is because I'm staff and I have to set an example. But my freaking god I have so much shit I want to say that I'm pretty damn sure I would get temp banned instantly.
On June 16 2016 16:11 Seeker wrote: lol these games are so damn frustrating to watch...
I feel so bad for the Korean players. The game is frustrating in its current state balance wise, and if they fix the game in 2 months it doesn't matter because they get knocked out for the year after groups/code A ends next week
I agree. The only reason I'm not balance whining right now is because I'm staff and I have to set an example. But my freaking god I have so much shit I want to say that I'm pretty damn sure I would get temp banned instantly.
I try my hardest to not do that every day
Also I'm torn between loving Blizzard's "lets not jump the gun" approach and hating the fact that the Korean scene suffers because of it
Artosis is actually wrong about not fighting liberators. You should fight them early and keep the count down, especially when you're low on anti air. Otherwise the next fight looks like this. 3 liberators are so much stronger than one.
On June 16 2016 16:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote: And after that masterful force field play Dear takes a really awful engagement sitting in the liberation zone for ages.
Walking High Templar into liberators is one of the sadder things to see.
I'm not sure where else to ask this but do kespa players get warnings if their "gg"s or "glhf"s are are the emote ones and not actually the typed letters
On June 16 2016 16:26 chipmonklord17 wrote: I'm not sure where else to ask this but do kespa players get warnings if their "gg"s or "glhf"s are are the emote ones and not actually the typed letters
On June 16 2016 16:26 chipmonklord17 wrote: I'm not sure where else to ask this but do kespa players get warnings if their "gg"s or "glhf"s are are the emote ones and not actually the typed letters
Only in Proleague I think.
I should have specified that's where I meant. I just didn't know if they were allowed to use them as they really are the same thing
On June 16 2016 16:26 Seeker wrote: To think... ByuN may have had a chance had he not f*ed up that first engagement and losing more than half of his army to force fields...
It's pretty hard to lose on this map after you kill all the phoenixes. Take more bases, drop, laugh. So yeah in that sense he "may have had a chance".
On June 16 2016 16:24 Olli wrote: Artosis is actually wrong about not fighting liberators. You should fight them early and keep the count down, especially when you're low on anti air. Otherwise the next fight looks like this. 3 liberators are so much stronger than one.
Well I don't think he has a problem with killing liberators. He just doesn't want people to park their armies under them when they don't have to.
On June 16 2016 16:31 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Is... is this a date video?
Interested?
On June 16 2016 16:32 Nebuchad wrote: With such a clear divide in the group there's a good chance we won't have to see a ton of the second round games.
On June 16 2016 16:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote: this actually makes me realize how few people realized that SPL was on the weekend because everybody is completely blindsided by this video
On June 16 2016 16:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote: this actually makes me realize how few people realized that SPL was on the weekend because everybody is completely blindsided by this video
I can't watch proleague cause of the time so I am very blindsided.
On June 16 2016 16:32 Nebuchad wrote: With such a clear divide in the group there's a good chance we won't have to see a ton of the second round games.
you make it sound as if it's a good thing
I didn't mean to, but one-sided games like that, I'm not sure that it's not.
On June 16 2016 16:32 Nebuchad wrote: With such a clear divide in the group there's a good chance we won't have to see a ton of the second round games.
you make it sound as if it's a good thing
I didn't mean to, but one-sided games like that, I'm not sure that it's not.
They were that bad huh? I only just started watching
On June 16 2016 16:32 Nebuchad wrote: With such a clear divide in the group there's a good chance we won't have to see a ton of the second round games.
you make it sound as if it's a good thing
I didn't mean to, but one-sided games like that, I'm not sure that it's not.
They were that bad huh? I only just started watching
Almost every game has been mediocre at best. I don't think I've personally rated a game higher than 3/5
On June 16 2016 16:24 Olli wrote: Artosis is actually wrong about not fighting liberators. You should fight them early and keep the count down, especially when you're low on anti air. Otherwise the next fight looks like this. 3 liberators are so much stronger than one.
Well I don't think he has a problem with killing liberators. He just doesn't want people to park their armies under them when they don't have to.
Well in this case he said Dear shouldn't fight into the one liberation zone, which I think is wrong. I think he should have fought that. With an economic advantage (and especially with a charge/archon army), any small trade is good for him. The bigger the army gets, the more difficult it is to fight with charge/archon, especially with a higher liberator count as you have close to no anti air.
On June 16 2016 16:32 Nebuchad wrote: With such a clear divide in the group there's a good chance we won't have to see a ton of the second round games.
you make it sound as if it's a good thing
I didn't mean to, but one-sided games like that, I'm not sure that it's not.
They were that bad huh? I only just started watching
I particularly disliked Impact vs Byun cause I thought Impact played absurdly better than Byun after getting behind in the opening and still lost quite convincingly, but I wouldn't recommend a whole lot so far
On June 16 2016 16:24 Olli wrote: Artosis is actually wrong about not fighting liberators. You should fight them early and keep the count down, especially when you're low on anti air. Otherwise the next fight looks like this. 3 liberators are so much stronger than one.
Well I don't think he has a problem with killing liberators. He just doesn't want people to park their armies under them when they don't have to.
Well in this case he said Dear shouldn't fight into the one liberation zone, which I think is wrong. I think he should have fought that. With an economic advantage (and especially with a charge/archon army), any small trade is good for him. The bigger the army gets, the more difficult it is to fight with charge/archon, especially with a higher liberator count as you have close to no anti air.
he can fight in it but he should definitely kill it
On June 16 2016 16:24 Olli wrote: Artosis is actually wrong about not fighting liberators. You should fight them early and keep the count down, especially when you're low on anti air. Otherwise the next fight looks like this. 3 liberators are so much stronger than one.
Well I don't think he has a problem with killing liberators. He just doesn't want people to park their armies under them when they don't have to.
Well in this case he said Dear shouldn't fight into the one liberation zone, which I think is wrong. I think he should have fought that. With an economic advantage (and especially with a charge/archon army), any small trade is good for him. The bigger the army gets, the more difficult it is to fight with charge/archon, especially with a higher liberator count as you have close to no anti air.
Well he wouldn't have to get into the zone to kill the liberator.
On June 16 2016 16:32 Nebuchad wrote: With such a clear divide in the group there's a good chance we won't have to see a ton of the second round games.
you make it sound as if it's a good thing
I didn't mean to, but one-sided games like that, I'm not sure that it's not.
They were that bad huh? I only just started watching
I particularly disliked Impact vs Byun cause I thought Impact played absurdly better than Byun after getting behind in the opening and still lost quite convincingly, but I wouldn't recommend a whole lot so far
it was more like Impact was horribly behind from the reaper opening and he was playing well enough to not die but still he was behind
On June 16 2016 16:32 Nebuchad wrote: With such a clear divide in the group there's a good chance we won't have to see a ton of the second round games.
you make it sound as if it's a good thing
I didn't mean to, but one-sided games like that, I'm not sure that it's not.
They were that bad huh? I only just started watching
I particularly disliked Impact vs Byun cause I thought Impact played absurdly better than Byun after getting behind in the opening and still lost quite convincingly, but I wouldn't recommend a whole lot so far
it was more like Impact was horribly behind from the reaper opening and he was playing well enough to not die but still he was behind
The content of what we're saying is similar, it's a difference in framing cause you don't dislike terran =)
On June 16 2016 16:32 Nebuchad wrote: With such a clear divide in the group there's a good chance we won't have to see a ton of the second round games.
you make it sound as if it's a good thing
I didn't mean to, but one-sided games like that, I'm not sure that it's not.
They were that bad huh? I only just started watching
I particularly disliked Impact vs Byun cause I thought Impact played absurdly better than Byun after getting behind in the opening and still lost quite convincingly, but I wouldn't recommend a whole lot so far
it was more like Impact was horribly behind from the reaper opening and he was playing well enough to not die but still he was behind
The content of what we're saying is similar, it's a difference in framing cause you don't dislike terran =)
boy if you think i love terran you got another thing coming
On June 16 2016 16:56 KingofdaHipHop wrote: for the umpteenth time i dont think byun wants to be on a Kespa team, he probably would already be on a team if he wanted to be
I'm pretty sure ByuN said he was interested in joining a Proleague team on a Korean fan site after he left X-Team.
On June 16 2016 17:05 Vanadiel wrote: Please Rogue, I don't want a Zerg-less SSL. T__T
But there's already Zerg in SSL.
Only Solar and Dark from previous season right? Otherwise, not a single Zerg did qualified, and between herO, Zest and Maru, I do not think the chances to see Losira getting out of his group are very high.
On June 16 2016 17:05 Vanadiel wrote: Please Rogue, I don't want a Zerg-less SSL. T__T
But there's already Zerg in SSL.
Only Solar and Dark from previous season right? Otherwise, not a single Zerg did qualified, and between herO, Zest and Maru, I do not think the chances to see Losira getting out of his group are very high.
I think Losira's chances of getting out of that group are negative.
On June 16 2016 17:05 Vanadiel wrote: Please Rogue, I don't want a Zerg-less SSL. T__T
But there's already Zerg in SSL.
Only Solar and Dark from previous season right? Otherwise, not a single Zerg did qualified, and between herO, Zest and Maru, I do not think the chances to see Losira getting out of his group are very high.
Yeah. Only been one in each group before tonight though. Not that I expect a single one to advance.
On June 16 2016 17:05 Vanadiel wrote: Please Rogue, I don't want a Zerg-less SSL. T__T
But there's already Zerg in SSL.
Only Solar and Dark from previous season right? Otherwise, not a single Zerg did qualified, and between herO, Zest and Maru, I do not think the chances to see Losira getting out of his group are very high.
I think Losira's chances of getting out of that group are negative.
News from the future: 80% of the SC2 players die, Losira makes ro4 in both starleagues
On June 16 2016 17:14 Nerchio wrote: So Jjakji how do you like Ulrena playing on this map for the first time in your career?
He picked it versus dear earlier
That was /s because he is playing so bad without any real defense on the most aggressive map in the map pool, I could've had the same attack at like 4 minutes instead of 7
On June 16 2016 17:14 Nerchio wrote: So Jjakji how do you like Ulrena playing on this map for the first time in your career?
He picked it versus dear earlier
That was /s because he is playing so bad without any real defense on the most aggressive map in the map pool, I could've had the same attack at like 4 minutes instead of 7
I thought you were going with the "its such a shitty map he's had it vetoed since it came out" angle
On June 16 2016 17:22 KingofdaHipHop wrote: jjakji also won stuff in Heart of the Swarm so clearly something is up here
I don't think he actually won anything in HotS. He had that good GSL run and got some top 4's in foreign stuff. Obviously a lot better than he's doing right now though.
On June 16 2016 17:32 KingofdaHipHop wrote: maybe he was a finalist and not a winner but i remember him at a dreamhack or wcs or something
but he actually played well too like he had a good series against Revival at IEM Katowice and his late game army control was good vs Protoss.
jjakji in HotS got top 6 GSL, top 4 WCS EU, top 4 IEM Sao Paolo, 3rd place HSC VIII, 4th place DH Winter (the one ForGG won), 2nd DH Moscow, and made Blizzcon once.
On June 16 2016 17:32 KingofdaHipHop wrote: maybe he was a finalist and not a winner but i remember him at a dreamhack or wcs or something
but he actually played well too like he had a good series against Revival at IEM Katowice and his late game army control was good vs Protoss.
jjakji in HotS got top 6 GSL, top 4 WCS EU, top 4 IEM Sao Paolo, 3rd place HSC VIII, 4th place DH Winter (the one ForGG won), 2nd DH Moscow, and made Blizzcon once.
Definitely better times.
And now all he can do is fail to qualify for GSL and SSL. Poor guy.
On June 16 2016 17:32 Penev wrote: Can someone TL writerish please predict coda A Super - Bomber so I can submit the opposite?
thanks
Super beat Maru. He's currently GOAT.
Yeah, that's what made it harder to predict. I think super is good but Bombers vs P stats are good as well..
I bet Super right away. Bomber isn't really a top player, it's not 2013
I know Bomber isn't top tear but neither is Super. I initially thought Super as well after his and Bombers PL appearances but I made myself look up the recent stats and noticed Bomber did pretty well against P
On June 16 2016 17:32 KingofdaHipHop wrote: maybe he was a finalist and not a winner but i remember him at a dreamhack or wcs or something
but he actually played well too like he had a good series against Revival at IEM Katowice and his late game army control was good vs Protoss.
jjakji in HotS got top 6 GSL, top 4 WCS EU, top 4 IEM Sao Paolo, 3rd place HSC VIII, 4th place DH Winter (the one ForGG won), 2nd DH Moscow, and made Blizzcon once.
Definitely better times.
And now all he can do is fail to qualify for GSL and SSL. Poor guy.
Good point but after a loss against herO after that he improved his vs P. Supers vs T isn't bad as well not counting Gumi crushing him. Gumi is legit tho of course. And 2 of Bomber vs P wins are against Hush.. Hmm..
Good point but after a loss against herO after that he improved his vs P. Supers vs T isn't bad as well not counting Gumi crushing him. Gumi is legit tho of course. And 2 of Bomber vs P wins are against Hush.. Hmm..
I mean you'd think Super
i tend to liquibet as soon as they go up since i hate having numbers or notifications and things, so i often make decisions i regret
bomber won't pay off for instance, and i woulda picked MC but i guess i didn't.
I'm not even a big fan of zerg, but the idea of no zergs getting through challenger is really shitty. I actually hope either Impact or Rogue kick Dear out and Byun takes the second spot.
Well ... I can assure you, there will be no Zerg qualified next week :-) . South Korea Zerg Losira - . South Korea Protoss Zest - . South Korea Terran Maru - . South Korea Protoss Super - . South Korea Protoss herO - . South Korea Terran Reality
On June 16 2016 19:39 Diabolique wrote: Well ... I can assure you, there will be no Zerg qualified next week :-) . South Korea Zerg Losira - . South Korea Protoss Zest - . South Korea Terran Maru - . South Korea Protoss Super - . South Korea Protoss herO - . South Korea Terran Reality
Hey now. Losira is a GSL RO8 quality player. He'll advance easily.
On June 16 2016 19:39 Diabolique wrote: Well ... I can assure you, there will be no Zerg qualified next week :-) . South Korea Zerg Losira - . South Korea Protoss Zest - . South Korea Terran Maru - . South Korea Protoss Super - . South Korea Protoss herO - . South Korea Terran Reality
Hey now. Losira is a GSL RO8 quality player. He'll advance easily.
... oh wait.
Can't wait to see Losira lose another PL game this weekend!
On June 16 2016 19:39 Diabolique wrote: Well ... I can assure you, there will be no Zerg qualified next week :-) . South Korea Zerg Losira - . South Korea Protoss Zest - . South Korea Terran Maru - . South Korea Protoss Super - . South Korea Protoss herO - . South Korea Terran Reality
FYI: Zest, Maru and herO just entered massive slumps
On June 16 2016 19:39 Diabolique wrote: Well ... I can assure you, there will be no Zerg qualified next week :-) . South Korea Zerg Losira - . South Korea Protoss Zest - . South Korea Terran Maru - . South Korea Protoss Super - . South Korea Protoss herO - . South Korea Terran Reality
FYI: Zest, Maru and herO just entered massive slumps
On June 16 2016 19:39 Diabolique wrote: Well ... I can assure you, there will be no Zerg qualified next week :-) . South Korea Zerg Losira - . South Korea Protoss Zest - . South Korea Terran Maru - . South Korea Protoss Super - . South Korea Protoss herO - . South Korea Terran Reality
FYI: Zest, Maru and herO just entered massive slumps
On June 16 2016 19:39 Diabolique wrote: Well ... I can assure you, there will be no Zerg qualified next week :-) . South Korea Zerg Losira - . South Korea Protoss Zest - . South Korea Terran Maru - . South Korea Protoss Super - . South Korea Protoss herO - . South Korea Terran Reality
FYI: Zest, Maru and herO just entered massive slumps
On June 16 2016 19:39 Diabolique wrote: Well ... I can assure you, there will be no Zerg qualified next week :-) . South Korea Zerg Losira - . South Korea Protoss Zest - . South Korea Terran Maru - . South Korea Protoss Super - . South Korea Protoss herO - . South Korea Terran Reality
FYI: Zest, Maru and herO just entered massive slumps
Losira, Super, Reality qualify
That would be amazing.
Would it though?
Yeah. As much as i'd love Zest to advance that would be pretty fantastic. Imagine the casters imploding because Maru and Zest are losing games.
On June 16 2016 19:39 Diabolique wrote: Well ... I can assure you, there will be no Zerg qualified next week :-) . South Korea Zerg Losira - . South Korea Protoss Zest - . South Korea Terran Maru - . South Korea Protoss Super - . South Korea Protoss herO - . South Korea Terran Reality
FYI: Zest, Maru and herO just entered massive slumps
On June 16 2016 19:39 Diabolique wrote: Well ... I can assure you, there will be no Zerg qualified next week :-) . South Korea Zerg Losira - . South Korea Protoss Zest - . South Korea Terran Maru - . South Korea Protoss Super - . South Korea Protoss herO - . South Korea Terran Reality
FYI: Zest, Maru and herO just entered massive slumps
Losira, Super, Reality qualify
That would be amazing.
Would it though?
Yeah. As much as i'd love Zest to advance that would be pretty fantastic. Imagine the casters imploding because Maru and Zest are losing games.
On June 16 2016 19:39 Diabolique wrote: Well ... I can assure you, there will be no Zerg qualified next week :-) . South Korea Zerg Losira - . South Korea Protoss Zest - . South Korea Terran Maru - . South Korea Protoss Super - . South Korea Protoss herO - . South Korea Terran Reality
FYI: Zest, Maru and herO just entered massive slumps
On June 16 2016 19:39 Diabolique wrote: Well ... I can assure you, there will be no Zerg qualified next week :-) . South Korea Zerg Losira - . South Korea Protoss Zest - . South Korea Terran Maru - . South Korea Protoss Super - . South Korea Protoss herO - . South Korea Terran Reality
FYI: Zest, Maru and herO just entered massive slumps
Losira, Super, Reality qualify
That would be amazing.
Would it though?
Yeah. As much as i'd love Zest to advance that would be pretty fantastic. Imagine the casters imploding because Maru and Zest are losing games.
On June 16 2016 19:39 Diabolique wrote: Well ... I can assure you, there will be no Zerg qualified next week :-) . South Korea Zerg Losira - . South Korea Protoss Zest - . South Korea Terran Maru - . South Korea Protoss Super - . South Korea Protoss herO - . South Korea Terran Reality
FYI: Zest, Maru and herO just entered massive slumps
On June 16 2016 20:22 Penev wrote: What? If Impact and Dear only get 1 more win (against each other) they'd have a worse score than 5/5 (Rogues score when he wins his last match)
Away wins only matter in ties
They both still have to play jjakji. Pretty sure at least one of them is winning 2 matches
On June 16 2016 20:22 Penev wrote: What? If Impact and Dear only get 1 more win (against each other) they'd have a worse score than 5/5 (Rogues score when he wins his last match)
Away wins only matter in ties
They both still have to play jjakji. Pretty sure at least one of them is winning 2 matches
On June 16 2016 21:18 Diabolique wrote: So ByuN is joining Samsung? Well played ...
So after the last game, I do not like ByuN anymore.
That's harsh, it's a pretty logical thing for him to do. If anything blame Stork for not announcing it faster so that they could do the match order accordingly.
On June 16 2016 21:18 Diabolique wrote: So ByuN is joining Samsung? Well played ...
So after the last game, I do not like ByuN anymore.
That's harsh, it's a pretty logical thing for him to do. If anything blame Stork for not announcing it faster so that they could do the match order accordingly.
I know, on his place, I would do the same, but I do not like it anyway ... It was bad that they had to play at the end ... if that happened at the beginning, it would be OK.
On June 16 2016 21:18 Diabolique wrote: So ByuN is joining Samsung? Well played ...
So after the last game, I do not like ByuN anymore.
Neeb 4-0 ByuN, does ByuN join Team TING?
Come on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high.
It's bullshit to accuse them of matchfixing (yes, that's what it would be) because you saw them have friendly chats a few times. And if he doesn't join Samsung, which is still a very realistic option, it just makes you look like assholes.
On June 16 2016 21:18 Diabolique wrote: So ByuN is joining Samsung? Well played ...
So after the last game, I do not like ByuN anymore.
Neeb 4-0 ByuN, does ByuN join Team TING?
Come on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high.
It's bullshit to accuse them of matchfixing (yes, that's what it would be) because you saw them have friendly chats a few times. And if he doesn't join Samsung it just makes you look like assholes.
All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself.
Anyway, it was great to hear Artosis talk about ByuN joining Samsung, otherwise nobody could have any clue ... well, a pity, they did not play at the beginning of the day, but whatever, the next week's group will be awesome! I am just sad for Rogue. Maybe, Dear should have played against Rogue first, win and then everything would have been fine.
On June 16 2016 21:18 Diabolique wrote: So ByuN is joining Samsung? Well played ...
So after the last game, I do not like ByuN anymore.
Neeb 4-0 ByuN, does ByuN join Team TING?
Come on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high.
It's bullshit to accuse them of matchfixing (yes, that's what it would be) because you saw them have friendly chats a few times. And if he doesn't join Samsung it just makes you look like assholes.
All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself.
How about we at least wait for him to join the team before we start throwing around the matchfixing stuff.
On June 16 2016 21:18 Diabolique wrote: So ByuN is joining Samsung? Well played ...
So after the last game, I do not like ByuN anymore.
Neeb 4-0 ByuN, does ByuN join Team TING?
Come on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high.
It's bullshit to accuse them of matchfixing (yes, that's what it would be) because you saw them have friendly chats a few times. And if he doesn't join Samsung it just makes you look like assholes.
All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself.
How about we at least wait for him to join the team before we start throwing around the matchfixing stuff.
I'm not throwing anything around. I don't want anything to be done about it, and I think it's kind of stupid to expect any player to do anything else in that specific situation. I'm just saying that it's foolish to pretend that it doesn't look like it when it obviously looks like it.
Aaaaaaaaaaaand just after the broadcast finishes, i can access this website again. Just my luck. Pretty fun day though, jjakji was making it interesting with his "i dont give a fuck builds"
On June 16 2016 21:18 Diabolique wrote: So ByuN is joining Samsung? Well played ...
So after the last game, I do not like ByuN anymore.
Neeb 4-0 ByuN, does ByuN join Team TING?
Come on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high.
It's bullshit to accuse them of matchfixing (yes, that's what it would be) because you saw them have friendly chats a few times. And if he doesn't join Samsung it just makes you look like assholes.
All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself.
If it is not an implicit accusation of match-fixing then I don't see where Diabolique is coming from either. If you want to accuse somebody of match-fixing then you need some actual evidence. Until then we should go with the less insidious assumption that Byun played poorly because he didn't care because he had already qualified.
On June 16 2016 21:18 Diabolique wrote: So ByuN is joining Samsung? Well played ...
So after the last game, I do not like ByuN anymore.
Neeb 4-0 ByuN, does ByuN join Team TING?
Come on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high.
It's bullshit to accuse them of matchfixing (yes, that's what it would be) because you saw them have friendly chats a few times. And if he doesn't join Samsung it just makes you look like assholes.
All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself.
Did I say I don't see it? I'm just saying he could very well be wrong and he's accusing them of match-fixing. And I don't know if you know, but match-fixing is kind of a huge deal and those accusations shouldn't be thrown around so easily.
On June 16 2016 21:38 Diabolique wrote: Anyway, it was great to hear Artosis talk about ByuN joining Samsung, otherwise nobody could have any clue ... well, a pity, they did not play at the beginning of the day, but whatever, the next week's group will be awesome! I am just sad for Rogue. Maybe, Dear should have played against Rogue first, win and then everything would have been fine.
Artosis was just making a guess, he doesn't have any insider info. So you actually still don't have any clue.
On June 16 2016 21:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Aaaaaaaaaaaand just after the broadcast finishes, i can access this website again. Just my luck. Pretty fun day though, jjakji was making it interesting with his "i dont give a fuck builds"
Hmm weird, I wonder if others had the same problem. It worked fine for me now but I and some others were experiencing the same thing recently. I notified TL but got no response.
On June 16 2016 21:40 Penev wrote: It's just the weakness of this system guys. It can have games in it where one of the players doesn't need to win.
I know, it was the same like Cure vs Trap in one group, they played at the very beginning, each of them won their away map, a little bit stupid, but playing first against each other is the best that can be done. It is certainly a disadvantage of the system.
On June 16 2016 21:18 Diabolique wrote: So ByuN is joining Samsung? Well played ...
So after the last game, I do not like ByuN anymore.
Neeb 4-0 ByuN, does ByuN join Team TING?
Come on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high.
It's bullshit to accuse them of matchfixing (yes, that's what it would be) because you saw them have friendly chats a few times. And if he doesn't join Samsung it just makes you look like assholes.
All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself.
Did I say I don't see it? I'm just saying he could very well be wrong and he's accusing them of match-fixing. And I don't know if you know, but match-fixing is kind of a huge deal and those accusations shouldn't be thrown around so easily.
The system acknowledges that players will do that when they are put in the situation by making players of the same team play each other first. If we really expected players to not do this type of stuff when they are in this type of situation, there would be no need to change the order of the games. There is such a need, because players have huge incentive to do exactly that. This "accusation" is just that Byun might have done what any other player would have done. It's not a big deal at all, but there's no reason to act blind either.
On June 16 2016 21:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Aaaaaaaaaaaand just after the broadcast finishes, i can access this website again. Just my luck. Pretty fun day though, jjakji was making it interesting with his "i dont give a fuck builds"
I also had the issue on my computer. My phone accessed TL just fine though
On June 16 2016 21:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Aaaaaaaaaaaand just after the broadcast finishes, i can access this website again. Just my luck. Pretty fun day though, jjakji was making it interesting with his "i dont give a fuck builds"
Hmm weird, I wonder if others had the same problem. It worked fine for me now but I and some others were experiencing the same thing recently. I notified TL but got no response.
On June 16 2016 21:18 Diabolique wrote: So ByuN is joining Samsung? Well played ...
So after the last game, I do not like ByuN anymore.
Neeb 4-0 ByuN, does ByuN join Team TING?
Come on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high.
It's bullshit to accuse them of matchfixing (yes, that's what it would be) because you saw them have friendly chats a few times. And if he doesn't join Samsung it just makes you look like assholes.
All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself.
Did I say I don't see it? I'm just saying he could very well be wrong and he's accusing them of match-fixing. And I don't know if you know, but match-fixing is kind of a huge deal and those accusations shouldn't be thrown around so easily.
The system acknowledges that players will do that when they are put in the situation by making players of the same team play each other first. If we really expected players to not do this type of stuff when they are in this type of situation, there would be no need to change the order of the games. There is such a need, because players have huge incentive to do exactly that. This "accusation" is just that Byun might have done what any other player would have done. It's not a big deal at all, but there's no reason to act blind either.
Thank you for describing it so politely, I absolutely agree. Nobody is considering ByuN a matchfixer, nobody is saying, he throwed the game. It is just the thing, when you play against your team mate or a future team mate, you do not give it 100%.
On June 16 2016 21:18 Diabolique wrote: So ByuN is joining Samsung? Well played ...
So after the last game, I do not like ByuN anymore.
Neeb 4-0 ByuN, does ByuN join Team TING?
Come on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high.
It's bullshit to accuse them of matchfixing (yes, that's what it would be) because you saw them have friendly chats a few times. And if he doesn't join Samsung it just makes you look like assholes.
All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself.
Did I say I don't see it? I'm just saying he could very well be wrong and he's accusing them of match-fixing. And I don't know if you know, but match-fixing is kind of a huge deal and those accusations shouldn't be thrown around so easily.
The system acknowledges that players will do that when they are put in the situation by making players of the same team play each other first. If we really expected players to not do this type of stuff when they are in this type of situation, there would be no need to change the order of the games. There is such a need, because players have huge incentive to do exactly that. This "accusation" is just that Byun might have done what any other player would have done. It's not a big deal at all, but there's no reason to act blind either.
Losing games on purpose is a big deal. You're not allowed to lose on purpose and if you do, KeSPA will take your head if they can prove it. Oh right, ByuN was seen talking to Stork and Dear on camera, well I guess he's fucked.
On June 16 2016 21:18 Diabolique wrote: So ByuN is joining Samsung? Well played ...
So after the last game, I do not like ByuN anymore.
Neeb 4-0 ByuN, does ByuN join Team TING?
Come on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high.
It's bullshit to accuse them of matchfixing (yes, that's what it would be) because you saw them have friendly chats a few times. And if he doesn't join Samsung it just makes you look like assholes.
All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself.
Did I say I don't see it? I'm just saying he could very well be wrong and he's accusing them of match-fixing. And I don't know if you know, but match-fixing is kind of a huge deal and those accusations shouldn't be thrown around so easily.
The system acknowledges that players will do that when they are put in the situation by making players of the same team play each other first. If we really expected players to not do this type of stuff when they are in this type of situation, there would be no need to change the order of the games. There is such a need, because players have huge incentive to do exactly that. This "accusation" is just that Byun might have done what any other player would have done. It's not a big deal at all, but there's no reason to act blind either.
Thank you for describing it so politely, I absolutely agree. Nobody is considering ByuN a matchfixer, nobody is saying, he throwed the game. It is just the thing, when you play against your team mate or a future team mate, you do not give it 100%.
On June 16 2016 21:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Aaaaaaaaaaaand just after the broadcast finishes, i can access this website again. Just my luck. Pretty fun day though, jjakji was making it interesting with his "i dont give a fuck builds"
Hmm weird, I wonder if others had the same problem. It worked fine for me now but I and some others were experiencing the same thing recently. I notified TL but got no response.
On June 16 2016 21:18 Diabolique wrote: So ByuN is joining Samsung? Well played ...
So after the last game, I do not like ByuN anymore.
Neeb 4-0 ByuN, does ByuN join Team TING?
Come on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high.
It's bullshit to accuse them of matchfixing (yes, that's what it would be) because you saw them have friendly chats a few times. And if he doesn't join Samsung it just makes you look like assholes.
All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself.
Did I say I don't see it? I'm just saying he could very well be wrong and he's accusing them of match-fixing. And I don't know if you know, but match-fixing is kind of a huge deal and those accusations shouldn't be thrown around so easily.
The system acknowledges that players will do that when they are put in the situation by making players of the same team play each other first. If we really expected players to not do this type of stuff when they are in this type of situation, there would be no need to change the order of the games. There is such a need, because players have huge incentive to do exactly that. This "accusation" is just that Byun might have done what any other player would have done. It's not a big deal at all, but there's no reason to act blind either.
Losing games on purpose is a big deal. You're not allowed to lose on purpose and if you do, KeSPA will take your head if they can prove it. Oh right, ByuN was seen talking to Stork and Dear on camera, well I guess he's fucked.
Well no of course he's not fucked, like you said, because you can't prove it.
And if you could prove it, I don't think he should be fucked for that.
On June 16 2016 21:18 Diabolique wrote: So ByuN is joining Samsung? Well played ...
So after the last game, I do not like ByuN anymore.
Neeb 4-0 ByuN, does ByuN join Team TING?
Come on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high.
It's bullshit to accuse them of matchfixing (yes, that's what it would be) because you saw them have friendly chats a few times. And if he doesn't join Samsung it just makes you look like assholes.
All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself.
Did I say I don't see it? I'm just saying he could very well be wrong and he's accusing them of match-fixing. And I don't know if you know, but match-fixing is kind of a huge deal and those accusations shouldn't be thrown around so easily.
The system acknowledges that players will do that when they are put in the situation by making players of the same team play each other first. If we really expected players to not do this type of stuff when they are in this type of situation, there would be no need to change the order of the games. There is such a need, because players have huge incentive to do exactly that. This "accusation" is just that Byun might have done what any other player would have done. It's not a big deal at all, but there's no reason to act blind either.
Losing games on purpose is a big deal. You're not allowed to lose on purpose and if you do, KeSPA will take your head if they can prove it. Oh right, ByuN was seen talking to Stork and Dear on camera, well I guess he's fucked.
Well no of course he's not fucked, like you said, because you can't prove it.
And if you could prove it, I don't think he should be fucked for that.
If it happened and they could prove it, ByuN, Dear and Stork would be in trouble.
For now, I'll assume he just lost because he has trouble against Protoss. Of course, you're still free to assume that he lost on purpose. But be careful what you post in the internet. I'm pretty sure there are still people who are adamant that MarineKing was a match-fixer because the witch hunt was big enough.
On June 16 2016 21:22 Diabolique wrote: [quote] So after the last game, I do not like ByuN anymore.
Neeb 4-0 ByuN, does ByuN join Team TING?
Come on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high.
It's bullshit to accuse them of matchfixing (yes, that's what it would be) because you saw them have friendly chats a few times. And if he doesn't join Samsung it just makes you look like assholes.
All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself.
Did I say I don't see it? I'm just saying he could very well be wrong and he's accusing them of match-fixing. And I don't know if you know, but match-fixing is kind of a huge deal and those accusations shouldn't be thrown around so easily.
The system acknowledges that players will do that when they are put in the situation by making players of the same team play each other first. If we really expected players to not do this type of stuff when they are in this type of situation, there would be no need to change the order of the games. There is such a need, because players have huge incentive to do exactly that. This "accusation" is just that Byun might have done what any other player would have done. It's not a big deal at all, but there's no reason to act blind either.
Losing games on purpose is a big deal. You're not allowed to lose on purpose and if you do, KeSPA will take your head if they can prove it. Oh right, ByuN was seen talking to Stork and Dear on camera, well I guess he's fucked.
Well no of course he's not fucked, like you said, because you can't prove it.
And if you could prove it, I don't think he should be fucked for that.
If it happened and they could prove it, ByuN, Dear and Stork would be in trouble.
For now, I'll assume he just lost because he has trouble against Protoss. Of course, you're still free to assume that he lost on purpose. But be careful what you post in the internet. I'm pretty sure there are still people who are adamant that MarineKing was a match-fixer because the witch hunt was big enough.
I realize they would be, I'm just saying I don't think they should. I think there's a big difference between throwing a match for money and throwing a match cause it doesn't matter to you and it favors your team/friends/whatever. I think the latter is the fault of the organization for not creating a situation where this couldn't happen.
Btw people weren't adamant that Marineking was a matchfixer because of the size of the witch hunt ~~
On June 16 2016 21:22 Diabolique wrote: [quote] So after the last game, I do not like ByuN anymore.
Neeb 4-0 ByuN, does ByuN join Team TING?
Come on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high.
It's bullshit to accuse them of matchfixing (yes, that's what it would be) because you saw them have friendly chats a few times. And if he doesn't join Samsung it just makes you look like assholes.
All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself.
Did I say I don't see it? I'm just saying he could very well be wrong and he's accusing them of match-fixing. And I don't know if you know, but match-fixing is kind of a huge deal and those accusations shouldn't be thrown around so easily.
The system acknowledges that players will do that when they are put in the situation by making players of the same team play each other first. If we really expected players to not do this type of stuff when they are in this type of situation, there would be no need to change the order of the games. There is such a need, because players have huge incentive to do exactly that. This "accusation" is just that Byun might have done what any other player would have done. It's not a big deal at all, but there's no reason to act blind either.
Losing games on purpose is a big deal. You're not allowed to lose on purpose and if you do, KeSPA will take your head if they can prove it. Oh right, ByuN was seen talking to Stork and Dear on camera, well I guess he's fucked.
Well no of course he's not fucked, like you said, because you can't prove it.
And if you could prove it, I don't think he should be fucked for that.
If it happened and they could prove it, ByuN, Dear and Stork would be in trouble.
For now, I'll assume he just lost because he has trouble against Protoss. Of course, you're still free to assume that he lost on purpose. But be careful what you post in the internet. I'm pretty sure there are still people who are adamant that MarineKing was a match-fixer because the witch hunt was big enough.
There are degrees of match fixing, let's not bring the highest degree into the discussion
Agreed on ByuN having problems with TvP. Playing vs Dear on last match was kinda painful. Even casters aknowledged how Dear would play and Dear did. ByuN got rekt.
EDIT: People do matchfixing accusations so lightly under recent cases... BTW, kudos nerchio!
Diabolique, I like your sense of humour and your overall post content man, I really do. But you were the one *implying* such thing happening. Denying that and making Elentos look like the one twisting things is bad mannered, imho.
I think people should also chill a bit about match fixing. I joked about it yesterday concerning Armani and got the impression some people thought I was being serious. I mean, I rule out nothing but I obviously could not actually know
On June 16 2016 22:14 KingofdaHipHop wrote: its difficult to joke about because of the nature of circumstances. so maybe just find a new way to joke about it? haha idk
That chill joke tho, great stuff (;
But yeah I'm not sure either but making things taboo is the worst thing we can do probably. You'd think it's not really too soon anymore
On June 16 2016 21:27 Elentos wrote: [quote] Neeb 4-0 ByuN, does ByuN join Team TING?
Come on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high.
It's bullshit to accuse them of matchfixing (yes, that's what it would be) because you saw them have friendly chats a few times. And if he doesn't join Samsung it just makes you look like assholes.
All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself.
Did I say I don't see it? I'm just saying he could very well be wrong and he's accusing them of match-fixing. And I don't know if you know, but match-fixing is kind of a huge deal and those accusations shouldn't be thrown around so easily.
The system acknowledges that players will do that when they are put in the situation by making players of the same team play each other first. If we really expected players to not do this type of stuff when they are in this type of situation, there would be no need to change the order of the games. There is such a need, because players have huge incentive to do exactly that. This "accusation" is just that Byun might have done what any other player would have done. It's not a big deal at all, but there's no reason to act blind either.
Losing games on purpose is a big deal. You're not allowed to lose on purpose and if you do, KeSPA will take your head if they can prove it. Oh right, ByuN was seen talking to Stork and Dear on camera, well I guess he's fucked.
Well no of course he's not fucked, like you said, because you can't prove it.
And if you could prove it, I don't think he should be fucked for that.
If it happened and they could prove it, ByuN, Dear and Stork would be in trouble.
For now, I'll assume he just lost because he has trouble against Protoss. Of course, you're still free to assume that he lost on purpose. But be careful what you post in the internet. I'm pretty sure there are still people who are adamant that MarineKing was a match-fixer because the witch hunt was big enough.
I realize they would be, I'm just saying I don't think they should. I think there's a big difference between throwing a match for money and throwing a match cause it doesn't matter to you and it favors your team/friends/whatever. I think the latter is the fault of the organization for not creating a situation where this couldn't happen.
Btw people weren't adamant that Marineking was a matchfixer because of the size of the witch hunt ~~
I'm pretty sure that's the reason why people still think he was even though official investigations found nothing.
Unless of course they think MarineKing was a criminal mastermind the likes of which the eSports scene has never seen before. And that'd be too weird.
On June 16 2016 22:13 Penev wrote: I think people should also chill a bit about match fixing. I joked about it yesterday concerning Armani and got the impression some people thought I was being serious. I mean, I rule out nothing but I obviously could not actually know
Chill get in!
I don't think such thing should be taken lightly and to joke about tbh
Also I agree with Elentos, even if ByuN was not doing it for money, if in any way you are manipulating the outcome of the match, according to Blizzard and KeSPA, it's already matchfixing, and they are not going to let those thing off lightly, so don't throw such accusation around, such things shouldn't be taken lightly
On June 16 2016 22:13 Penev wrote: I think people should also chill a bit about match fixing. I joked about it yesterday concerning Armani and got the impression some people thought I was being serious. I mean, I rule out nothing but I obviously could not actually know
Chill get in!
I don't think such thing should be taken lightly and to joke about tbh
Also I agree with Elentos, even if ByuN was not doing it for money, if in any way you are manipulating the outcome of the match, according to Blizzard and KeSPA, it's already matchfixing, and they are not going to let those thing off lightly, so don't throw such accusation around, such things shouldn't be taken lightly
I don't approve of match fixing but let's not exaggerate. Also, match fixing is real and here to stay, making it taboo to joke about doesn't make it go away.
So Losira is the final hope to avoid a Zerg extermination in the RO32. Has that ever happened for any race in a Korean league? I think the closest I can recall is only Sangho advancing to RO16 for Protoss one time.
On June 17 2016 00:56 TheDougler wrote: So Losira is the final hope to avoid a Zerg extermination in the RO32. Has that ever happened for any race in a Korean league? I think the closest I can recall is only Sangho advancing to RO16 for Protoss one time.
Dark and Solar are already in the round of 16 groups (there's no ro32).
On June 16 2016 22:13 Penev wrote: I think people should also chill a bit about match fixing. I joked about it yesterday concerning Armani and got the impression some people thought I was being serious. I mean, I rule out nothing but I obviously could not actually know
Chill get in!
I don't think such thing should be taken lightly and to joke about tbh
Also I agree with Elentos, even if ByuN was not doing it for money, if in any way you are manipulating the outcome of the match, according to Blizzard and KeSPA, it's already matchfixing, and they are not going to let those thing off lightly, so don't throw such accusation around, such things shouldn't be taken lightly
I don't approve of match fixing but let's not exaggerate. Also, match fixing is real and here to stay, making it taboo to joke about doesn't make it go away.
So far you're the only one making jokes about it and nobody told you to stop yet. So you're golden. Rejoice!
On June 17 2016 00:56 TheDougler wrote: So Losira is the final hope to avoid a Zerg extermination in the RO32. Has that ever happened for any race in a Korean league? I think the closest I can recall is only Sangho advancing to RO16 for Protoss one time.
Dark and Solar are already in the round of 16 groups (there's no ro32).
On June 17 2016 02:11 Penev wrote: what a patronizing post Elentos, not sure why you think you had to do that
It's also wrong in nearly every aspect
On the contrary. It's not meant to be patronizing at all, it's a joke post with no serious message. Now it's actually like you making a joke about Armani match-fixing and people taking you seriously.
Though if you did feel patronized, well, I apologize of course.
On June 17 2016 02:11 Penev wrote: what a patronizing post Elentos, not sure why you think you had to do that
It's also wrong in nearly every aspect
On the contrary. It's not meant to be patronizing at all, it's a joke post with no serious message. Now it's actually like you making a joke about Armani match-fixing and people taking you seriously.
Though if you did feel patronized, well, I apologize of course.
I did not feel patronized, just disappointment. Hard to see the joke if at all but if you say so I accept of course
On June 17 2016 02:11 Penev wrote: what a patronizing post Elentos, not sure why you think you had to do that
It's also wrong in nearly every aspect
On the contrary. It's not meant to be patronizing at all, it's a joke post with no serious message. Now it's actually like you making a joke about Armani match-fixing and people taking you seriously.
Though if you did feel patronized, well, I apologize of course.
I did not feel patronized, just disappointment. Hard to see the joke if at all but if you say so I accept of course
Honestly it might just be that this particular post was especially crappy because I've not had a great day and am not feeling too well. Sorry about that.
I still wish Impact or Rogue got through the group, we could use a new Zerg banjo.
I don't like these "jokes" about matchfixing either. As a casual viewer I get a distasteful feeling when I'm reminded of it. I was having fun reading the discussions about the matches, then suddenly it's such a downer reading these suspicions about Byun.
On June 17 2016 03:17 Aiingel wrote: I don't like these "jokes" about matchfixing either. As a casual viewer I get a distasteful feeling when I'm reminded of it. I was having fun reading the discussions about the matches, then suddenly it's such a downer reading these suspicions about Byun.
There were no jokes about that in the thread, just a discussion iirc
On June 17 2016 03:17 Aiingel wrote: I don't like these "jokes" about matchfixing either. As a casual viewer I get a distasteful feeling when I'm reminded of it. I was having fun reading the discussions about the matches, then suddenly it's such a downer reading these suspicions about Byun.
There were no jokes about that in the thread, just a discussion iirc
Mostly it was said at some point that ByuN might not be playing the final game against Dear seriously because they're friends and he's already qualified and then it was kind of implied that he might be losing on purpose/purposely holding back. So not really jokes. Although really nothing dead serious either, just a bit annoying.
On June 17 2016 02:11 Penev wrote: what a patronizing post Elentos, not sure why you think you had to do that
It's also wrong in nearly every aspect
On the contrary. It's not meant to be patronizing at all, it's a joke post with no serious message. Now it's actually like you making a joke about Armani match-fixing and people taking you seriously.
Though if you did feel patronized, well, I apologize of course.
I did not feel patronized, just disappointment. Hard to see the joke if at all but if you say so I accept of course
Honestly it might just be that this particular post was especially crappy because I've not had a great day and am not feeling too well. Sorry about that.
I still wish Impact or Rogue got through the group, we could use a new Zerg banjo.
Np, it's hard to make yourself perfectly understood in text, but more importantly, in just a few sentences. As is always properly understanding other peoples posts as well. This whole joking about match fixing thing is a good example, It's not coming across as I want it at all lol
I should just stop posting about it
Mostly it was said at some point that ByuN might not be playing the final game against Dear seriously because they're friends and he's already qualified and then it was kind of implied that he might be losing on purpose/purposely holding back. So not really jokes. Although really nothing dead serious either, just a bit annoying.
I didn't mind people discussing the possibility but some said to be certain of it. I replied (Diabolique) to point him to another option. It is a weakness of this, for the most part, refreshing format
On June 17 2016 03:17 Aiingel wrote: I don't like these "jokes" about matchfixing either. As a casual viewer I get a distasteful feeling when I'm reminded of it. I was having fun reading the discussions about the matches, then suddenly it's such a downer reading these suspicions about Byun.
There were no jokes about that in the thread, just a discussion iirc
Mostly it was said at some point that ByuN might not be playing the final game against Dear seriously because they're friends and he's already qualified and then it was kind of implied that he might be losing on purpose/purposely holding back. So not really jokes. Although really nothing dead serious either, just a bit annoying.
I highly doubt Byun would do that AGAIN after what happened between him and Coca years ago.
On June 17 2016 03:17 Aiingel wrote: I don't like these "jokes" about matchfixing either. As a casual viewer I get a distasteful feeling when I'm reminded of it. I was having fun reading the discussions about the matches, then suddenly it's such a downer reading these suspicions about Byun.
There were no jokes about that in the thread, just a discussion iirc
Mostly it was said at some point that ByuN might not be playing the final game against Dear seriously because they're friends and he's already qualified and then it was kind of implied that he might be losing on purpose/purposely holding back. So not really jokes. Although really nothing dead serious either, just a bit annoying.
I highly doubt Byun would do that AGAIN after what happened between him and Coca years ago.
It would be a very interesting level of stupid, I'd say. Neither of them had it easy after that.
I really don't get the reaction to this. It's like you think admitting that this situation looks the way it looks is admitting that Byun is disgusting or something. It's not at all. It's very logical for him to lose this game.
There are plenty of situations where that happens and you don't blink an eye. Bratok and Stephano trying to lose to avoid whoever they had to avoid in whichever tournament that was. They were trying to lose, because they had incentive to. It's like when there was this WCS where three euro zergs won their groups and two korean terrans and Welmu finished second, and we were wondering if San would try to finish second in his group to play PvZ vs an european or not. The question could be asked because San had incentive to lose (he didn't, and lucked Welmu in the Ro8 draw). Let's say that Byun is playing Tangtang and if he loses, Zest finishes 4th and Tangtang finishes 3rd. Do you think he should try to win? He clearly has incentive to lose.
In all of these situations, you recognize the incentive, and you don't say that if it's proven the people should be thrown in kespa jail. Now you have this situation where the incentive is just as evident as long as they are friends and probably future team mates, and suddenly Byun would be a terrible person to do it, or even worse, stupid or whatever. That makes no sense.
On June 17 2016 00:56 TheDougler wrote: So Losira is the final hope to avoid a Zerg extermination in the RO32. Has that ever happened for any race in a Korean league? I think the closest I can recall is only Sangho advancing to RO16 for Protoss one time.
Dark and Solar are already in the round of 16 groups (there's no ro32).
Looking like Terran in GSL 2014.
Does that mean Thedwf is going to do a "Welcome to TParCraft" article?
On June 17 2016 00:56 TheDougler wrote: So Losira is the final hope to avoid a Zerg extermination in the RO32. Has that ever happened for any race in a Korean league? I think the closest I can recall is only Sangho advancing to RO16 for Protoss one time.
Dark and Solar are already in the round of 16 groups (there's no ro32).
Looking like Terran in GSL 2014.
Does that mean Thedwf is going to do a "Welcome to TParCraft" article?
On June 17 2016 00:56 TheDougler wrote: So Losira is the final hope to avoid a Zerg extermination in the RO32. Has that ever happened for any race in a Korean league? I think the closest I can recall is only Sangho advancing to RO16 for Protoss one time.
Dark and Solar are already in the round of 16 groups (there's no ro32).
Looking like Terran in GSL 2014.
Does that mean Thedwf is going to do a "Welcome to TParCraft" article?
On June 17 2016 00:56 TheDougler wrote: So Losira is the final hope to avoid a Zerg extermination in the RO32. Has that ever happened for any race in a Korean league? I think the closest I can recall is only Sangho advancing to RO16 for Protoss one time.
Dark and Solar are already in the round of 16 groups (there's no ro32).
Looking like Terran in GSL 2014.
Does that mean Thedwf is going to do a "Welcome to TParCraft" article?
On June 16 2016 21:22 Diabolique wrote: [quote] So after the last game, I do not like ByuN anymore.
Neeb 4-0 ByuN, does ByuN join Team TING?
Come on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high.
It's bullshit to accuse them of matchfixing (yes, that's what it would be) because you saw them have friendly chats a few times. And if he doesn't join Samsung it just makes you look like assholes.
All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself.
Did I say I don't see it? I'm just saying he could very well be wrong and he's accusing them of match-fixing. And I don't know if you know, but match-fixing is kind of a huge deal and those accusations shouldn't be thrown around so easily.
The system acknowledges that players will do that when they are put in the situation by making players of the same team play each other first. If we really expected players to not do this type of stuff when they are in this type of situation, there would be no need to change the order of the games. There is such a need, because players have huge incentive to do exactly that. This "accusation" is just that Byun might have done what any other player would have done. It's not a big deal at all, but there's no reason to act blind either.
Losing games on purpose is a big deal. You're not allowed to lose on purpose and if you do, KeSPA will take your head if they can prove it. Oh right, ByuN was seen talking to Stork and Dear on camera, well I guess he's fucked.
Well no of course he's not fucked, like you said, because you can't prove it.
And if you could prove it, I don't think he should be fucked for that.
If it happened and they could prove it, ByuN, Dear and Stork would be in trouble.
For now, I'll assume he just lost because he has trouble against Protoss. Of course, you're still free to assume that he lost on purpose. But be careful what you post in the internet. I'm pretty sure there are still people who are adamant that MarineKing was a match-fixer because the witch hunt was big enough.
There were some suspicious elements which must provoke a reaction in this match but that was not really a witch hunt even if the modos were pretty sensitives. However, a true witch hunt in TL was this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/375035-stephano-suspended-by-evil-geniuses , http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/closed-threads/375745-stephano-is-guilty . There were direct accusations of raping with no évidences except a joke and TL mods never took any measures against this, it was against the law because this was clearly a diffamation and it was far more serious than just matchfixing. All those parangon of vertu (who hide their perverted minds) disgust me of Team Liquid, those threads are really a shame for this site and all his modos who have definetly lost all their crédibility for me. So, don't be so annoyed by this, it has been far worse in the past.
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