EPT[SPL] Round 3 2016 - KT vs CJ - Page 14
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Ej_
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On June 11 2016 21:12 opisska wrote: OK, I agree MC winning is pretty dope, but what actually happened there? They both played the same composition, but MC came out brutally better from the fight, while having less bases and upgrades? Are we really back to the "win 1 fight by better positioning" era of colossus wars, or is there more behind it? immortal good unit | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
On June 11 2016 21:12 opisska wrote: OK, I agree MC winning is pretty dope, but what actually happened there? They both played the same composition, but MC came out brutally better from the fight, while having less bases and upgrades? Are we really back to the "win 1 fight by better positioning" era of colossus wars, or is there more behind it? he controlled better -good usage of warp prism and back off micro throughout the fight- and while he indeed had worst upgrades and eco, he had a better spread and slightly more immortals. He killed Zest's immos quite quick and that did the trick. | ||
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Elentos
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On June 11 2016 21:12 opisska wrote: OK, I agree MC winning is pretty dope, but what actually happened there? They both played the same composition, but MC came out brutally better from the fight, while having less bases and upgrades? Are we really back to the "win 1 fight by better positioning" era of colossus wars, or is there more behind it? MC had more immortals and more archons, making his army better by default. Also Zest microed and macroed like shit. | ||
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Penev
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So better protect them | ||
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Kaizor
Singapore910 Posts
On June 11 2016 21:12 opisska wrote: OK, I agree MC winning is pretty dope, but what actually happened there? They both played the same composition, but MC came out brutally better from the fight, while having less bases and upgrades? Are we really back to the "win 1 fight by better positioning" era of colossus wars, or is there more behind it? Like what the casters said, by going with DT tech, Zest was behind in Immortal count compared to MC. I think MC's superior immortal count won him the game despite the upgrade disadvantage. | ||
Teoita
Italy12248 Posts
On June 11 2016 21:12 opisska wrote: OK, I agree MC winning is pretty dope, but what actually happened there? They both played the same composition, but MC came out brutally better from the fight, while having less bases and upgrades? Are we really back to the "win 1 fight by better positioning" era of colossus wars, or is there more behind it? MC gambled by getting a faster forge and skipping Blink in the early game for more immortals and a really quick Charge, allowed him to barely hold Zest's push along with good micro. Blink stalkers suck ass in high supply immortal/archon/chargelot fights. After that he had to push because if Zest gets 3/1 vs MC's 2/0 and faster fourth you can easily get overwhelmed by zealots and archons even if you have more immortals. MC's window was really, really small because overcharge can sort of make up for an immortal deficit, but he had perfect execution in the final fight. edit: i think the DT drop was ok, especially because MC couldn't get anything done with his oracle/adept opening, so they were on perfecly even economies before that. 5/6 probes, forcing cannons and a ton of mining time lost of two DTs is not bad. | ||
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Penev
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Ej_
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On June 11 2016 21:16 Penev wrote: Btw, this means Zest is going to be the ace right? Stats ace for my sweet sweet FPL points | ||
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Penev
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But that would be the sensible thing to do | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
leenock ace | ||
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stardog
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On June 11 2016 21:12 opisska wrote: OK, I agree MC winning is pretty dope, but what actually happened there? They both played the same composition, but MC came out brutally better from the fight, while having less bases and upgrades? Are we really back to the "win 1 fight by better positioning" era of colossus wars, or is there more behind it? MC had slightly better army composition and he hit a moment when he had more army (Zest had 10 workers more). So two small advantages already. He also maneuvered his army better, attacking separated chunks of Zest''s army while maintaining the concave. And he hit the timing just before Zest's upgrades and base advantage gained him anything. I'd say it was some refined play, not 1 better fight. | ||
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Ej_
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KingofdaHipHop
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killerm12
Slovakia601 Posts
in Trust we trust | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On June 11 2016 21:18 stardog wrote: MC had slightly better army composition and he hit a moment when he had more army (Zest had 10 workers more). So two small advantages already. He also maneuvered his army better, attacking separated chunks of Zest''s army while maintaining the concave. And he hit the timing just before Zest's upgrades and base advantage gained him anything. I'd say it was some refined play, not 1 better fight. MC micro was better through both big engagements, not only positioning  | ||
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
On June 11 2016 21:12 opisska wrote: OK, I agree MC winning is pretty dope, but what actually happened there? They both played the same composition, but MC came out brutally better from the fight, while having less bases and upgrades? Are we really back to the "win 1 fight by better positioning" era of colossus wars, or is there more behind it? Well they had equal supply but MC had more immortals. Also he had more army overall while Zest had more workers. Zest also invested in a 4th nexus and plus 3 attack which didn't came into effect for him. MC managed to defend the warpprism from Zest right before the attack as well, but we only saw this on the minimap. That was another 10 supply Zest lost. It was a timing MC had to hit, 2 minutes later Zest would've been too far ahead. | ||
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Penev
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On June 11 2016 21:18 stardog wrote: MC had slightly better army composition and he hit a moment when he had more army (Zest had 10 workers more). So two small advantages already. He also maneuvered his army better, attacking separated chunks of Zest''s army while maintaining the concave. And he hit the timing just before Zest's upgrades and base advantage gained him anything. I'd say it was some refined play, not 1 better fight. It was and at least 2 better fights, the hold was also very well micro'd | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On June 11 2016 21:16 Teoita wrote: MC gambled by getting a faster forge and skipping Blink in the early game for more immortals and a really quick Charge, allowed him to barely hold Zest's push along with good micro. Blink stalkers suck ass in high supply immortal/archon/chargelot fights. After that he had to push because if Zest gets 3/1 vs MC's 2/0 and faster fourth you can easily get overwhelmed by zealots and archons even if you have more immortals. MC's window was really, really small because overcharge can sort of make up for an immortal deficit, but he had perfect execution in the final fight. edit: i think the DT drop was ok, especially because MC couldn't get anything done with his oracle/adept opening, so they were on perfecly even economies before that. 5/6 probes, forcing cannons and a ton of mining time lost of two DTs is not bad. OK, well then, well done from MC. Not the most entertaining course of a game, but shows he has his game knowledge together. | ||
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Durnuu
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On June 11 2016 21:20 KingofdaHipHop wrote: is contaminate still a thing? i dont think i've seen it in lotv Yes, it still exists. | ||
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