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MorDka
Profile Joined October 2012
Poland543 Posts
November 08 2015 02:10 GMT
#5281
lol $O$ won 100k tournament every year: 2013 blizzcon, 2014 IEM, 2015 blizzcon
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 08 2015 02:10 GMT
#5282
On November 08 2015 11:09 deacon.frost wrote:
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On November 08 2015 11:05 Big J wrote:
oh, by the way Protoss 2015 has a higher tournament winrate than Terran in the GomTvT era.

And we had so many different winners. Different styles, different names. It's really interesting that it's not dominated by 1 strategy, I think it's the diversity of Protoss. THey can do so many things that you cannot prepare against race, you have to prepare against the player. Where Protoss players can prepare against Terran/Zerg. OR maybe I am too tired and writing BS

50 shades of +2 blink
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Where dat snitch at?37057 Posts
November 08 2015 02:10 GMT
#5283
YYYYEEEESSS $$$$OOOO$$$&!!!
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
November 08 2015 02:10 GMT
#5284
On November 08 2015 11:09 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 11:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 08 2015 11:07 Big J wrote:
On November 08 2015 11:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 08 2015 11:05 Big J wrote:
oh, by the way Protoss 2015 has a higher tournament winrate than Terran in the GomTvT era.

wow really ?


2011 was 17Terran, 17Protoss+Zerg
2015 it is 11Protoss, 6Zerg, 3Terran;

seems like it made no sense to complain in 2011 and that 2015 sample is pretty small. Ofc P did well, but let's give credit to the players.


That's just one set of data. Trust me, most of 2011 wasn't very fun when you didn't like terran match-ups

true I wasn't around at the time, purchased the game around Mvp - Squirtle finals.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
November 08 2015 02:11 GMT
#5285
On November 08 2015 11:02 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
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On November 08 2015 11:01 bo1b wrote:
I don't understand how people enjoyed this series, there was what 6 cheeses/allins in total?

You must really hate fun, do you?

What on earth was fun about it? Dunno about you guys but I don't find 2 base blink all in +2 with a 3rd particularly fun, nor do I find 14 speed/bling all in fun, nor do I find dt rushes fun.

Maybe I should under go therapy with Artosis or something so he can teach me how fun immortal all ins are.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-08 02:11:23
November 08 2015 02:11 GMT
#5286
On November 08 2015 11:09 jubil wrote:
Matches can be epic for different reasons. Long macro games give you that "slow burn" epicness where both players are building up and trying to find incremental advantages; but short, back and forth games with all-ins and timing attacks are nice for the clutch starsense and micro. Like, when you know the stakes are high and the player has put everything on the line, and needs to win it all with just a handful of zerglings, that's epic too. So props to both Life and sOs, ggs, and gl in LotV!

(also, did anyone else get flashbacks to the Life/Parting GSL final where the last map was also Iron Fortress, and Life again did an early zergling rush? I wonder if sOs remembered....)

Life seemed to be using a lot of previous material in the finals. He had similar builds compared to his match vs Classic on moonlight and coda as well :D
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Poopfeast 024
Profile Joined November 2014
Gambia437 Posts
November 08 2015 02:11 GMT
#5287
On November 08 2015 11:00 MChrome wrote:
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On November 08 2015 10:53 Poopfeast 024 wrote:
On November 08 2015 10:47 MChrome wrote:
On November 08 2015 10:44 Poopfeast 024 wrote:
well i'm not feeling that sorry for life, he has won 50k. but sos just doesn't feel like the solid player that deserves this win. he is almost entirely reliant on mindgame and trickery. oh well


Dude, both are an integral part of how this game works

Life was trying to use exactly the same tricks against sOs, but the latter is simply better at it - Especially when a 100k prize is on the line. Winning such a prize 3 times? Can't be just luck


that's not really true, majority of the series life was trying to respond sos' bullshit, in the last game he rushed and sos won 4-3, that's not that clearly sos being better, it was a very close series... they were pretty evenly matched and no game went to the lategame. we can try to pretend this was a great series but in truth it was a cheesefest and the master cheeser king of #protoss won with mindgame and cheese.


You must be a Life fan XD

I don't really understand the reasoning you're using. The best player wins, it's that simple, and today, sOs was the better player.

Yes, it was close, and yes there was cheesing, but there was cheesing from both sides. The very last game STARTED with Life trying to cheese sOs, but the latter defended well and won the game.

And boy, the games were a lot of fun to watch, cheeses or not.


they both were trying to cheese without scouting and life got the short end of the stick. it wasn't sos being better. there is a thing with protoss that made people hate the race throughout the history of sc2 more than the other 2 rates, and sos embodies that quality very well. he denies scouting, tries to mislead the opponent and wins with very good micro. he relies entirely on his mindfuck plan to work, if the enemy scouts it he usually loses. i didn't feel disappointed at all when he beat rain, in that series he seemed to outclass his opponent in every way. now he just seemed to win the build order war in the won games and lose them in the lost ones. he did the exact same thing in the series vs mkp and vs jaedong (he was clearly better than jaedong in that series though). he is obviously a monster but very reliant on a volatile style and i just don't like it when he wins this way.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
November 08 2015 02:11 GMT
#5288
On November 08 2015 11:11 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 11:02 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
On November 08 2015 11:01 bo1b wrote:
I don't understand how people enjoyed this series, there was what 6 cheeses/allins in total?

You must really hate fun, do you?

What on earth was fun about it? Dunno about you guys but I don't find 2 base blink all in +2 with a 3rd particularly fun, nor do I find 14 speed/bling all in fun, nor do I find dt rushes fun.

Maybe I should under go therapy with Artosis or something so he can teach me how fun immortal all ins are.

Don't tell me you didn't shout out when the warp prism got sniped
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
November 08 2015 02:11 GMT
#5289
On November 08 2015 11:11 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 11:09 jubil wrote:
Matches can be epic for different reasons. Long macro games give you that "slow burn" epicness where both players are building up and trying to find incremental advantages; but short, back and forth games with all-ins and timing attacks are nice for the clutch starsense and micro. Like, when you know the stakes are high and the player has put everything on the line, and needs to win it all with just a handful of zerglings, that's epic too. So props to both Life and sOs, ggs, and gl in LotV!

(also, did anyone else get flashbacks to the Life/Parting GSL final where the last map was also Iron Fortress, and Life again did an early zergling rush? I wonder if sOs remembered....)

Life seemed to be using a lot of previous material in the finals. He had similar builds compared to his match vs Classic on moonlight and coda as well :D

I mean, he was visibly just recycling builds on maps he considered impossible.
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OsaX Nymloth
Profile Joined March 2013
Poland3244 Posts
November 08 2015 02:12 GMT
#5290
On November 08 2015 11:10 Seeker wrote:
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 08 2015 02:12 GMT
#5291
On November 08 2015 11:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 11:11 bo1b wrote:
On November 08 2015 11:02 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
On November 08 2015 11:01 bo1b wrote:
I don't understand how people enjoyed this series, there was what 6 cheeses/allins in total?

You must really hate fun, do you?

What on earth was fun about it? Dunno about you guys but I don't find 2 base blink all in +2 with a 3rd particularly fun, nor do I find 14 speed/bling all in fun, nor do I find dt rushes fun.

Maybe I should under go therapy with Artosis or something so he can teach me how fun immortal all ins are.

Don't tell me you didn't shout out when the warp prism got sniped

I stared in disbelief at my screen.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
November 08 2015 02:12 GMT
#5292
On November 08 2015 11:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 11:11 bo1b wrote:
On November 08 2015 11:02 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
On November 08 2015 11:01 bo1b wrote:
I don't understand how people enjoyed this series, there was what 6 cheeses/allins in total?

You must really hate fun, do you?

What on earth was fun about it? Dunno about you guys but I don't find 2 base blink all in +2 with a 3rd particularly fun, nor do I find 14 speed/bling all in fun, nor do I find dt rushes fun.

Maybe I should under go therapy with Artosis or something so he can teach me how fun immortal all ins are.

Don't tell me you didn't shout out when the warp prism got sniped

Well, i for one did not, because i went to get a coffee when i saw the fact that Life started killing it.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
November 08 2015 02:12 GMT
#5293
On November 08 2015 11:11 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 11:11 The_Templar wrote:
On November 08 2015 11:09 jubil wrote:
Matches can be epic for different reasons. Long macro games give you that "slow burn" epicness where both players are building up and trying to find incremental advantages; but short, back and forth games with all-ins and timing attacks are nice for the clutch starsense and micro. Like, when you know the stakes are high and the player has put everything on the line, and needs to win it all with just a handful of zerglings, that's epic too. So props to both Life and sOs, ggs, and gl in LotV!

(also, did anyone else get flashbacks to the Life/Parting GSL final where the last map was also Iron Fortress, and Life again did an early zergling rush? I wonder if sOs remembered....)

Life seemed to be using a lot of previous material in the finals. He had similar builds compared to his match vs Classic on moonlight and coda as well :D

I mean, he was visibly just recycling builds on maps he considered impossible.

I liked how he had a very down-to-earth and concrete approach.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
November 08 2015 02:12 GMT
#5294
Great finals, can't really ask for a better story, grats to sOs, he's the boxer of SC2 in my mind.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
November 08 2015 02:12 GMT
#5295
On November 08 2015 11:10 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 11:09 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 08 2015 11:05 Big J wrote:
oh, by the way Protoss 2015 has a higher tournament winrate than Terran in the GomTvT era.

And we had so many different winners. Different styles, different names. It's really interesting that it's not dominated by 1 strategy, I think it's the diversity of Protoss. THey can do so many things that you cannot prepare against race, you have to prepare against the player. Where Protoss players can prepare against Terran/Zerg. OR maybe I am too tired and writing BS

50 shades of +2 blink

In the end, all fall before me! General Leang

It's the road. The finish is always the same, as you wrote ^^
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
November 08 2015 02:12 GMT
#5296
On November 08 2015 11:09 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 11:05 Big J wrote:
oh, by the way Protoss 2015 has a higher tournament winrate than Terran in the GomTvT era.

And we had so many different winners. Different styles, different names. It's really interesting that it's not dominated by 1 strategy, I think it's the diversity of Protoss. THey can do so many things that you cannot prepare against race, you have to prepare against the player. Where Protoss players can prepare against Terran/Zerg. OR maybe I am too tired and writing BS



You know, I've actually never considered that before...

I dunno. I feel like for me, Scarlett kind of proved that Protoss IS a bit gimicky, by off racing against DRG in a tournament and winning.

Then again, I suppose that does absolutely nothing to disprove your point, nobody had seen Scarlett's PvZ before in a tournament so DRG had no way of preparing for it. And yes, it was one game, but it was a game that spoke volumes because Scarlett put her money where her mouth was.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
November 08 2015 02:13 GMT
#5297
On November 08 2015 11:03 Neemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 11:01 bo1b wrote:
I don't understand how people enjoyed this series, there was what 6 cheeses/allins in total?


Because some people prefer non-stop action and trading wits over slow, methodical games where players slowly gain and lose advantages. It's why we're all fan of different players, and the fact both styles are possible is what makes the game great and varied

A perfect description, thanks!
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
November 08 2015 02:13 GMT
#5298
On November 08 2015 11:12 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 11:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 08 2015 11:11 bo1b wrote:
On November 08 2015 11:02 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
On November 08 2015 11:01 bo1b wrote:
I don't understand how people enjoyed this series, there was what 6 cheeses/allins in total?

You must really hate fun, do you?

What on earth was fun about it? Dunno about you guys but I don't find 2 base blink all in +2 with a 3rd particularly fun, nor do I find 14 speed/bling all in fun, nor do I find dt rushes fun.

Maybe I should under go therapy with Artosis or something so he can teach me how fun immortal all ins are.

Don't tell me you didn't shout out when the warp prism got sniped

I stared in disbelief at my screen.

ha ha I just shouted "NO FUCKING WAY" in French and laughed out loud
fx9
Profile Joined November 2013
117 Posts
November 08 2015 02:13 GMT
#5299
On November 08 2015 10:44 Poopfeast 024 wrote:
well i'm not feeling that sorry for life, he has won 50k. but sos just doesn't feel like the solid player that deserves this win. he is almost entirely reliant on mindgame and trickery. oh well


Maybe because Life refused to play straight up game with all those lings-banes all-in or burrow roach rush?
Maybe...
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
November 08 2015 02:13 GMT
#5300
On November 08 2015 11:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 11:11 bo1b wrote:
On November 08 2015 11:02 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
On November 08 2015 11:01 bo1b wrote:
I don't understand how people enjoyed this series, there was what 6 cheeses/allins in total?

You must really hate fun, do you?

What on earth was fun about it? Dunno about you guys but I don't find 2 base blink all in +2 with a 3rd particularly fun, nor do I find 14 speed/bling all in fun, nor do I find dt rushes fun.

Maybe I should under go therapy with Artosis or something so he can teach me how fun immortal all ins are.

Don't tell me you didn't shout out when the warp prism got sniped

No I rolled my eyes at a unit which I don't think should exist being micro'd so terribly that he lost a game from it.
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