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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On August 28 2015 04:42 rotta wrote: So sad about China, I'm pretty sure iA's record will be better than the others' combined. XiGua is kind of like their Sen, consistently inconsistent. I'm really not, hopefully this brutal rout will teach them to improve for next time. Also at least Sen won a premier tournament.  | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On August 28 2015 04:37 Tenks wrote: Are we pretending like roach/bane all-ins never existed? Zerg has strong cheese as well. not in the last 1 year + lol | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On August 28 2015 04:44 Solar424 wrote: Yeah, that one game is an example of Mvp's entire playstyle. It wasn't presented as an example of Mvp's playstyle. It was presented to counter the argument that only one race allows you to succeed with early game bullshit | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On August 28 2015 04:42 Tenks wrote: There is absolutely no truth. If you are good at SC you are aware you are playing with limited information and you are trying to fill in certain blanks. You need to be aware of where the blanks exist. Often times they are more important than what you know. If you fill in blanks and present them to yourself as a certainty that is a poor mindset. What you do NOT know is often times more important than what you DO know. IdrA's issue was constantly thinking he was playing with a full picture of the game state at all points in time. But you are not. When he read the situation correctly yes he was a very good mechanical player who could defeat most. But he was far from the best at reading game state and interpreting the situation accurately which was ultimately his downfall. Worst part is he didn't realize that was a major problem. Idra thought it too much, but there definitely is a fair chance of many games on ladder being lost at the highest level simply because your opponent did something stupid and threw your read off. ZvZ, opponent forgot an overlord and his ling flood is late. You know the proper timing for a ling flood and just go into drones with minimal defense because there was no indication. Ling flood comes at a late and bad timing and voila, you just got autismed | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On August 28 2015 04:48 showstealer1829 wrote: It wasn't presented as an example of Mvp's playstyle. It was presented to counter the argument that only one race allows you to succeed with early game bullshit I guess the key part would be consistently beating "better" opponents and actually kinda making a career out of it | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On August 28 2015 04:48 Aocowns wrote: there's no proper timing for a ling flood. many players bank lings and do them later specifically to mindgame, and it works. that's why you check drone counts with ling pokes and play safe unless you want to die to attacksIdra thought it too much, but there definitely is a fair chance of many games on ladder being lost at the highest level simply because your opponent did something stupid and threw your read off. ZvZ, opponent forgot an overlord and his ling flood is late. You know the proper timing for a ling flood and just go into drones with minimal defense because there was no indication. Ling flood comes at a late and bad timing and voila, you just got autismed | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On August 28 2015 04:50 brickrd wrote: there's no proper timing for a ling flood. many players bank lings and do them later specifically to mindgame, and it works. that's why you check drone counts with ling pokes and play safe unless you want to die to attacks Yeah I guess, was just the first type of example that came to mind. Either way, shit like that does happen, and plenty more players have framed it like that besides Idra | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On August 28 2015 04:48 Aocowns wrote: Idra thought it too much, but there definitely is a fair chance of many games on ladder being lost at the highest level simply because your opponent did something stupid and threw your read off. ZvZ, opponent forgot an overlord and his ling flood is late. You know the proper timing for a ling flood and just go into drones with minimal defense because there was no indication. Ling flood comes at a late and bad timing and voila, you just got autismed I feel if delayed timing attacks were an actual thing you'd probably see them more often. Yes it is true doing non-standard things on the ladder can get you wins but since they're coming later they are naturally weaker and rely only on your opponent not reading the situation properly. Which means your opponent messed up and lost. If you see larvae floating and a drone undersaturation the situation should be pretty clear. But if you can't see that information and try to fill in the blank with meta knowledge that is a blank you need to be aware you're filling in with limited information and may not be correct. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On August 28 2015 04:52 Aocowns wrote: Yeah I guess, was just the first type of example that came to mind. Either way, shit like that does happen, and plenty more players have framed it like that besides Idra it illustrates the counterpoint though. you have to be aware of potential kinks in your opponent's play that will throw you off, it's a huge part of tier 1 korean play. that's often how they gain advantages | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On August 28 2015 04:48 showstealer1829 wrote: It wasn't presented as an example of Mvp's playstyle. It was presented to counter the argument that only one race allows you to succeed with early game bullshit Only race that allows you to succeed purely with early game bullshit. | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
also why are people salty who the fuck is elazer | ||
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rotta
5598 Posts
On August 28 2015 05:11 KingofdaHipHop wrote: also why are people salty who the fuck is elazer I think Poland's supposed to be good but they're now toe to toe with China and worse than USA. Go figure. | ||
digmouse
China6330 Posts
On August 28 2015 04:42 rotta wrote: So sad about China, I'm pretty sure iA's record will be better than the others' combined. XiGua is kind of like their Sen, consistently inconsistent. I seriously am not expecting improvements next year unless the up and comers made big break throughs and replace the status quos as WCS mainstay. | ||
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Moosegills
United States558 Posts
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
On August 28 2015 06:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: VODs shall be here at some point (spoiler free): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/119948-small-sc2-vod-thread?page=44#867 Awesome thanks. Sad I missed this. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
I hope MaNa gives me some reasons to believe Protoss can be played with elegance and respect tomorrow. | ||
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