★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
29%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
14%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Snute vs Jim game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Snute vs Jim game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
43%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
29%
★★★ - Good game (2)
29%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Snute vs Jim game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Snute vs Jim game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
75%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
25%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Snute vs Jim game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
14%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
5%
★★★ - Good game (1)
5%
22 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Hitman vs Elazer game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Hitman vs Elazer game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
38%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (3)
38%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
13%
★★★ - Good game (1)
13%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Hitman vs Elazer game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Hitman vs Elazer game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (9)
69%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
23%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
8%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Hitman vs Elazer game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
60%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
20%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
20%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend losers' match game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend losers' match game 2?
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
67%
★★★ - Good game (2)
33%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend losers' match game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend losers' match game 3?
★★★ - Good game (3)
50%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (2)
33%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend losers' match game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
75%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
13%
★★★ - Good game (1)
13%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend winners' match game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend winners' match game 2?
★★★ - Good game (4)
67%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
17%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend winners' match game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend winners' match game 3?
★★★ - Good game (2)
50%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
25%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
25%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend winners' match game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend final match game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend final match game 2?
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (16)
67%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (4)
17%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
8%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
8%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
24 total votes
Your vote: Recommend final match game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend final match game 3?
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (6)
55%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (3)
27%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
9%
★★★ - Good game (1)
9%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend final match game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Hitman walks in wearing a ski mask, goes 4-0 in the group, goes up to the stage for interviews, takes off the mask - surprise, it's been MC the whole time. He never retired!
Snuuuuuute! Snute's the only one in this group over 0.03% Blizzcon Chances, currently at 4.94% with 1500 WCS Points. An 8th place in WCS would put him at only 0.26%, combined with winning Dreamhack it'd still only be 12.59%. A 4th place here puts him at 2.08%, combined with winning Dreamhack that'd put him at 85.31%, but combined with a 2nd at Dreamhack it's only 19.27%. A 2nd place in WCS brings him up to 11.67%, where a 2nd place in Dreamhack would again bring him up to 92.85%, or a 4th place in Dreamhack would be 80.67%, or combined with an 8th place at Dreamhack would be 50.59%. Winning WCS would put Snute up to 99.67%.
Biggest Winners Rogue went up by 12.6%, going from 84.76% to 97.36% ForGG went up by 5.38%, going from 9.56% to 14.94% GuMiho went up by 4.51%, going from 3.38% to 7.89% Lilbow went up by 3.11%, going from 11.76% to 14.87% Dark went up by 0.35%, going from 78.98% to 79.33% Dear went up by 0.18%, going from 5.73% to 5.91%
Biggest Losers soO went down by 11.34%, going from 11.62% to 0.28% MyuNgSiK went down by 8.53%, going from 8.76% to 0.24% TY went down by 1.67%, going from 29.35% to 27.68% FanTaSy went down by 1.44%, going from 71.6% to 70.16% Jaedong went down by 1.42%, going from 13.9% to 12.48% MarineLorD went down by 0.71%, going from 5.5% to 4.79% Snute went down by 0.5%, going from 5.44% to 4.94% + Show Spoiler [More Losers] +
TLO went down by 0.17%, going from 1.25% to 1.08% HyuN went down by 0.16%, going from 10.41% to 10.25% Petraeus went down by 0.1%, going from 1.4% to 1.29%
Hitman, Elazer, Jim, and Snutein in WCS Premier Season 3 round of 32. Snute must win this match! Hitman is at 0.01% Blizzcon Chances, with a 40.96% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 0.01%, or 0% if they lose. Jim is at 0.02% Blizzcon Chances, with a 44.7% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 0.04%, or 0% if they lose. Elazer is at 0.01% Blizzcon Chances, with a 47.02% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 0.01%, or 0% if they lose. Snute is at 4.94% Blizzcon Chances, with a 67.32% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 7.33%, or 0.01% if they lose.
viOLet, MaNa, TLO, and XiGuain in WCS Premier Season 3 round of 32. TLO must win this match! viOLet is at 0.22% Blizzcon Chances, with a 58.33% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 0.38%, or 0.01% if they lose. TLO is at 1.08% Blizzcon Chances, with a 46.77% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 2.3%, or 0.01% if they lose. MaNa is at 0.28% Blizzcon Chances, with a 67.98% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 0.4%, or 0.01% if they lose. XiGua is at 0.01% Blizzcon Chances, with a 26.92% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 0.01%, or 0% if they lose.
ForGG, Jaedong, MarineLorD, Snute, and TLO must win this tournament! Hydra has a 20.36% chance to win ----going from 100% to 100% if they get 1st, or 100% if they don't. ForGG has a 11.74% chance to win ----going from 14.94% to 99.91% if they get 1st, or 3.64% if they don't. Polt has a 11.14% chance to win ----going from 99.99% to 100% if they get 1st, or 99.99% if they don't. Lilbow has a 9.92% chance to win ----going from 14.86% to 99.99% if they get 1st, or 5.48% if they don't. Jaedong has a 9.39% chance to win ----going from 12.48% to 99.01% if they get 1st, or 3.51% if they don't. + Show Spoiler [More Winning Chances] +
Petraeus has a 6.68% chance to win ----going from 1.29% to 18.87% if they get 1st, or 0.03% if they don't. MarineLorD has a 5.67% chance to win ----going from 4.79% to 82.4% if they get 1st, or 0.13% if they don't. Snute has a 4.13% chance to win ----going from 4.94% to 99.67% if they get 1st, or 0.86% if they don't. Zanster has a 3.81% chance to win ----going from 0.02% to 0.64% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. MaNa has a 3.58% chance to win ----going from 0.28% to 7.56% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. GunGFuBanDa has a 3.01% chance to win ----going from 0.08% to 2.68% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. viOLet has a 2.39% chance to win ----going from 0.22% to 9.18% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. elfi has a 1.9% chance to win ----going from 0.03% to 1.35% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. iaguz has a 1.8% chance to win ----going from 0.14% to 7.49% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Sen has a 1.55% chance to win ----going from 0.04% to 2.81% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Jim has a 1.01% chance to win ----going from 0.02% to 1.62% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. TLO has a 0.85% chance to win ----going from 1.08% to 99.64% if they get 1st, or 0.23% if they don't. Elazer has a 0.61% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.5% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Hitman has a 0.38% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.09% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. XiGua has a 0.06% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.67% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't.
I hope Snute can live up to his "GSL and SS2L Protoss winners"-slayer reputation. If you can beat Rain and Classic, I hope you can handily destroy Jim.
On August 28 2015 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: I hope hitman makes it out with a lot of protoss bs
I don't know if he'll make it out (very much doubt it), but I wouldn't expect only Protoss bullshit from him. He played some surprisingly standard games in challenger, and even on his stream he doesn't do only retarded all-ins.
On August 28 2015 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: I hope hitman makes it out with a lot of protoss bs
I don't know if he'll make it out (very much doubt it), but I wouldn't expect only Protoss bullshit from him. He played some surprisingly standard games in challenger, and even on his stream he doesn't do only retarded all-ins.
On August 28 2015 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: I hope hitman makes it out with a lot of protoss bs
I don't know if he'll make it out (very much doubt it), but I wouldn't expect only Protoss bullshit from him. He played some surprisingly standard games in challenger, and even on his stream he doesn't do only retarded all-ins.
On August 28 2015 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: I hope hitman makes it out with a lot of protoss bs
I don't know if he'll make it out (very much doubt it), but I wouldn't expect only Protoss bullshit from him. He played some surprisingly standard games in challenger, and even on his stream he doesn't do only retarded all-ins.
On August 28 2015 01:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: I hope hitman makes it out with a lot of protoss bs
I don't know if he'll make it out (very much doubt it), but I wouldn't expect only Protoss bullshit from him. He played some surprisingly standard games in challenger, and even on his stream he doesn't do only retarded all-ins.
Elazer said to comfortably bet on 2-0 over Hitman
MATCHFIXING !!!!
2-0 for him ?
yes
That seems like a very safe bet Elazer is pretty amazing ZvP from what I've seen from him. Is he amazing at ZvHitman, that's the true question
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
29%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
14%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Snute vs Jim game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
On August 28 2015 01:26 Tiaraju9 wrote: Snute was trying to throw this game.
Apart from one engage he took quite haphazardly, there is little to criticize here. He got very much ahead with his good read and "blind" counter and just cruised his way to victory.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
29%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
14%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Snute vs Jim game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Jim's era of relevancy is long over. He's not nearly as strong relative to foreigners as he used to be
the whole chinese scene seems to have fallen behind now. They at least had some of the stronger foreigners before but now not really any of them are that competitive when they actually get a chance to show their skill against other regions
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
29%
★★★ - Good game (2)
29%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Snute vs Jim game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Snute vs Jim game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
75%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
25%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Snute vs Jim game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
On August 28 2015 01:41 [PkF] Wire wrote: I actually wonder if Jim couldn't fall to a sneaky Hitman in PvP.
well Jim is 8-15 in the last 2 months in PvP losing to juggernauts such as the Taiwanese player Nice and dropping maps to YunYung and Blysk. The rest of his losses are to Koreans though which were pretty much expected
On August 28 2015 01:41 [PkF] Wire wrote: I actually wonder if Jim couldn't fall to a sneaky Hitman in PvP.
well Jim is 8-15 in the last 2 months in PvP losing to juggernauts such as the Taiwanese player Nice and dropping maps to YunYung and Blysk. The rest of his losses are to Koreans though which were pretty much expected
On August 28 2015 01:46 [PkF] Wire wrote: Ha ha hadn't noticed Byun is #4 in the world on aligulac, this is silly ^^
it's because he won like 13 leifeng cups this summer. it's like when forgg went abroad and won a shitload of games against foreigners and shot way up. Byun usually only drops 1 or 0 maps in his runs so he gets easy points from people like gamja, apocalypse, and chinese players. He figured it out
He had another 1 loss run in Leifeng again today
He gets a high volume of games with a really good win rate so it keeps adding up and pushing him ahead
last 2 month win rates All 78.11% (207/265) vP 68.75% (66/96) vT 90.20% (46/51) vZ 80.51% (95/118)
When he loses he loses a bunch of points but it just doesnt happen that often because he mostly faces scrubs
On August 28 2015 01:46 [PkF] Wire wrote: Ha ha hadn't noticed Byun is #4 in the world on aligulac, this is silly ^^
i never understood the byun situation
Well, a player that performs well in online cups but never goes to offline events such as the GSL/SSL qualifiers. That leads the door open to several hypothesis, of which three are decently likely.
On August 28 2015 01:46 [PkF] Wire wrote: Ha ha hadn't noticed Byun is #4 in the world on aligulac, this is silly ^^
it's because he won like 13 leifeng cups this summer. it's like when forgg went abroad and won a shitload of games against foreigners and shot way up. Byun usually only drops 1 or 0 maps in his runs so he gets easy points from people like gamja, apocalypse, and chinese players. He figured it out
He had another 1 loss run in Leifeng again today
Still hilarious I wonder if he's preparing a LotV true comeback. Would be amazing.
On August 28 2015 01:46 [PkF] Wire wrote: Ha ha hadn't noticed Byun is #4 in the world on aligulac, this is silly ^^
i never understood the byun situation
Well, a player that performs well in online cups but never goes to offline events such as the GSL/SSL qualifiers. That leads the door open to several hypothesis, of which three are decently likely.
what is the 3rd one beside maphack and face-scattering sickness?
On August 28 2015 01:46 [PkF] Wire wrote: Ha ha hadn't noticed Byun is #4 in the world on aligulac, this is silly ^^
i never understood the byun situation
Well, a player that performs well in online cups but never goes to offline events such as the GSL/SSL qualifiers. That leads the door open to several hypothesis, of which three are decently likely.
What are those three hypothesis ? I still think my "hardcore fan that accidently killed him after an argument about his Squirtle loss and took his place on ladder to pay tribute to the player he once loved so much" theory is the most solid by far !
On August 28 2015 01:46 [PkF] Wire wrote: Ha ha hadn't noticed Byun is #4 in the world on aligulac, this is silly ^^
i never understood the byun situation
Well, a player that performs well in online cups but never goes to offline events such as the GSL/SSL qualifiers. That leads the door open to several hypothesis, of which three are decently likely.
what is the 3rd one beside maphack and face-scattering sickness?
Someone who is not him playing with his ID for some weird reason? Like, the guy accidentally killed him and then was so full of remorse he decided to be him in online cups? Or maybe ByuN is actually a robot testmachine from North Korea that is used for AI purpose?
On August 28 2015 01:46 [PkF] Wire wrote: Ha ha hadn't noticed Byun is #4 in the world on aligulac, this is silly ^^
i never understood the byun situation
Well, a player that performs well in online cups but never goes to offline events such as the GSL/SSL qualifiers. That leads the door open to several hypothesis, of which three are decently likely.
What are those three hypothesis ? I still think my "hardcore fan that accidently killed him after an argument about his Squirtle loss and took his place on ladder to pay tribute to the player he once loved so much" theory is the most solid by far !
-Maphacker -Very serious medical or psychological issue that prevents him from showing up offline -your theory/something along the same lines
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
14%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
5%
★★★ - Good game (1)
5%
22 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Hitman vs Elazer game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
I have to say I love those builds where you mine just enough gas to get what you need and then just flood zealots. I admit I did it sometimes on NA with charge floods
But I don't understand how Elazer lacked the roaches to counter the second wave. Makes no sense. Did he drone again ?
On August 28 2015 01:56 Ej_ wrote: Elazer is nothing like Tefel :[
I mean he's a Polish Zerg, right?
xenophobic bullshit, typical coming from a French Protoss
Did you just call me a Protoss ... wow
All French people play Protoss, it's the only race where a unit can do full damage while in full retreat.
I see EU4 severely distorted your view of history d:
I like France with the new patch now that you can occupy a lot more land. In fact the only problem with taking France is that the HRE is right next door and all of them are going to get pissed at your expansion.
On August 28 2015 02:07 [PkF] Wire wrote: I have to say I love those builds where you mine just enough gas to get what you need and then just flood zealots. I admit I did it sometimes on NA with charge floods
But I don't understand how Elazer lacked the roaches to counter the second wave. Makes no sense. Did he drone again ?
he droned after the first wave, 3 drones at least, don't know how many he lost at the end to tell you exactly
On August 28 2015 02:07 Ej_ wrote: Elazer putting on the "fucking Protoss ha" face
Poll: Recommend Hitman vs Elazer game 1?
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (13)
59%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (4)
18%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
14%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
5%
★★★ - Good game (1)
5%
22 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Hitman vs Elazer game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
I think we need to have a new segment in "this week in SC2" where we have "controversial games", games with the highest percent ranking of either 5 star or 1 star and lowest of 2/3/4.
On August 28 2015 02:08 Extenz wrote: that timing was insane tho he hit before 9min
Totally standard timing for that kind of push. It was more Elazer failing than Hitman making something great happen... after the first wave got pushed back, it should have been over.
On August 28 2015 02:08 Extenz wrote: that timing was insane tho he hit before 9min
Totally standard timing for that kind of push. It was more Elazer failing than Hitman making something great happen... after the first wave got pushed back, it should have been over.
Isn't that the case with pretty much all Protoss allins?
On August 28 2015 02:07 [PkF] Wire wrote: I have to say I love those builds where you mine just enough gas to get what you need and then just flood zealots. I admit I did it sometimes on NA with charge floods
But I don't understand how Elazer lacked the roaches to counter the second wave. Makes no sense. Did he drone again ?
he droned after the first wave, 3 drones at least, don't know how many he lost at the end to tell you exactly
Ah yeah, that's a horrible mistake. He CANNOT transition, he had zero gas, and it's not hyperbolic, it's just how much gas he had...
On August 28 2015 02:07 [PkF] Wire wrote: I have to say I love those builds where you mine just enough gas to get what you need and then just flood zealots. I admit I did it sometimes on NA with charge floods
But I don't understand how Elazer lacked the roaches to counter the second wave. Makes no sense. Did he drone again ?
In my experience, this sometimes happen even with constant unit production. you do not hold this without some kind of sim city blocking the zealots, or sniping the warp prism (at least not consistently). also you cant make units too quickly even though that'd be the normal reaction to seeing the warp prism
He probably thought he fended off a timing attack and was going to enter the mid game with a healthy lead. Then he woke up and realized he wasn't playing a standard Toss and there were 20 zealots in his base.
On August 28 2015 02:08 Extenz wrote: that timing was insane tho he hit before 9min
Totally standard timing for that kind of push. It was more Elazer failing than Hitman making something great happen... after the first wave got pushed back, it should have been over.
Isn't that the case with pretty much all Protoss allins?
Depends, some blink all-ins can work out of pristine micro and you just applaud. There... Droning after pushing back the first wave was just criminal.
On August 28 2015 02:07 [PkF] Wire wrote: I have to say I love those builds where you mine just enough gas to get what you need and then just flood zealots. I admit I did it sometimes on NA with charge floods
But I don't understand how Elazer lacked the roaches to counter the second wave. Makes no sense. Did he drone again ?
In my experience, this sometimes happen even with constant unit production. you do not hold this without some kind of sim city blocking the zealots, or sniping the warp prism (at least not consistently). also you cant make units too quickly even though that'd be the normal reaction to seeing the warp prism
drone up to ~40, push back the first attack, roach roach roach. Don't see any flaws in that plan.
On August 28 2015 02:07 [PkF] Wire wrote: I have to say I love those builds where you mine just enough gas to get what you need and then just flood zealots. I admit I did it sometimes on NA with charge floods
But I don't understand how Elazer lacked the roaches to counter the second wave. Makes no sense. Did he drone again ?
In my experience, this sometimes happen even with constant unit production. you do not hold this without some kind of sim city blocking the zealots, or sniping the warp prism (at least not consistently). also you cant make units too quickly even though that'd be the normal reaction to seeing the warp prism
I once almost lost a game where toss got natural cancelled by 13pool to this all-in. Mass roaches don't beat zealots if you don't kill the prism :[
I got to admit, these games are fun to watch. Eagerly anticipating the next bullshit build out of Hitman. It's like the complete opposite of facing these builds on ladder.
On August 28 2015 02:07 [PkF] Wire wrote: I have to say I love those builds where you mine just enough gas to get what you need and then just flood zealots. I admit I did it sometimes on NA with charge floods
But I don't understand how Elazer lacked the roaches to counter the second wave. Makes no sense. Did he drone again ?
In my experience, this sometimes happen even with constant unit production. you do not hold this without some kind of sim city blocking the zealots, or sniping the warp prism (at least not consistently). also you cant make units too quickly even though that'd be the normal reaction to seeing the warp prism
I once almost lost a game where toss got natural cancelled by 13pool to this all-in. Mass roaches don't beat zealots if you don't kill the prism :[
I think without the time warps he should have won this handily. Anyway, I wonder what Hitman has in store for the next game . I hope a chargelots flood ^^
On August 28 2015 02:07 [PkF] Wire wrote: I have to say I love those builds where you mine just enough gas to get what you need and then just flood zealots. I admit I did it sometimes on NA with charge floods
But I don't understand how Elazer lacked the roaches to counter the second wave. Makes no sense. Did he drone again ?
In my experience, this sometimes happen even with constant unit production. you do not hold this without some kind of sim city blocking the zealots, or sniping the warp prism (at least not consistently). also you cant make units too quickly even though that'd be the normal reaction to seeing the warp prism
drone up to ~40, push back the first attack, roach roach roach. Don't see any flaws in that plan.
Yeah mb, 40 drones is def enough i guess. But I dont really see 4-5 more roaches helping too much in that situation, its not like hitman even executed it even close to perfect
On August 28 2015 02:07 [PkF] Wire wrote: I have to say I love those builds where you mine just enough gas to get what you need and then just flood zealots. I admit I did it sometimes on NA with charge floods
But I don't understand how Elazer lacked the roaches to counter the second wave. Makes no sense. Did he drone again ?
In my experience, this sometimes happen even with constant unit production. you do not hold this without some kind of sim city blocking the zealots, or sniping the warp prism (at least not consistently). also you cant make units too quickly even though that'd be the normal reaction to seeing the warp prism
drone up to ~40, push back the first attack, roach roach roach. Don't see any flaws in that plan.
Yeah mb, 40 drones is def enough i guess. But I dont really see 4-5 more roaches helping too much in that situation, its not like hitman even executed it even close to perfect
can't you hold it with a spore crawler phasing out the prism?
On August 28 2015 02:07 [PkF] Wire wrote: I have to say I love those builds where you mine just enough gas to get what you need and then just flood zealots. I admit I did it sometimes on NA with charge floods
But I don't understand how Elazer lacked the roaches to counter the second wave. Makes no sense. Did he drone again ?
In my experience, this sometimes happen even with constant unit production. you do not hold this without some kind of sim city blocking the zealots, or sniping the warp prism (at least not consistently). also you cant make units too quickly even though that'd be the normal reaction to seeing the warp prism
drone up to ~40, push back the first attack, roach roach roach. Don't see any flaws in that plan.
Yeah mb, 40 drones is def enough i guess. But I dont really see 4-5 more roaches helping too much in that situation, its not like hitman even executed it even close to perfect
can't you hold it with a spore crawler phasing out the prism?
On August 28 2015 02:07 [PkF] Wire wrote: I have to say I love those builds where you mine just enough gas to get what you need and then just flood zealots. I admit I did it sometimes on NA with charge floods
But I don't understand how Elazer lacked the roaches to counter the second wave. Makes no sense. Did he drone again ?
In my experience, this sometimes happen even with constant unit production. you do not hold this without some kind of sim city blocking the zealots, or sniping the warp prism (at least not consistently). also you cant make units too quickly even though that'd be the normal reaction to seeing the warp prism
drone up to ~40, push back the first attack, roach roach roach. Don't see any flaws in that plan.
Yeah mb, 40 drones is def enough i guess. But I dont really see 4-5 more roaches helping too much in that situation, its not like hitman even executed it even close to perfect
can't you hold it with a spore crawler phasing out the prism?
I know NaNiwa used to do that build all the time during one DH. It then got quite trendy, then people figured how to counter it and it just disappeared.
I hope Hitman does the same thing so that we can see Elazer adapting.
On August 28 2015 02:07 [PkF] Wire wrote: I have to say I love those builds where you mine just enough gas to get what you need and then just flood zealots. I admit I did it sometimes on NA with charge floods
But I don't understand how Elazer lacked the roaches to counter the second wave. Makes no sense. Did he drone again ?
In my experience, this sometimes happen even with constant unit production. you do not hold this without some kind of sim city blocking the zealots, or sniping the warp prism (at least not consistently). also you cant make units too quickly even though that'd be the normal reaction to seeing the warp prism
drone up to ~40, push back the first attack, roach roach roach. Don't see any flaws in that plan.
Yeah mb, 40 drones is def enough i guess. But I dont really see 4-5 more roaches helping too much in that situation, its not like hitman even executed it even close to perfect
can't you hold it with a spore crawler phasing out the prism?
I know NaNiwa used to do that build all the time during one DH. It then got quite trendy, then people figured how to counter it and it just disappeared.
I hope Hitman does the same thing so that we can see Elazer adapting.
he cut drones earlier and started queen production
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
13%
★★★ - Good game (1)
13%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Hitman vs Elazer game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
On August 28 2015 02:08 Extenz wrote: that timing was insane tho he hit before 9min
Totally standard timing for that kind of push. It was more Elazer failing than Hitman making something great happen... after the first wave got pushed back, it should have been over.
Isn't that the case with pretty much all Protoss allins?
On August 28 2015 02:17 digmouse wrote: Is that the first time a gg is shown in first person view?
Actually now you say it...
Would have been fun if he had written curse words before like "FUCK FUCK I SUCK SO BAD" then erased it and type "gg" like he does all the time on his stream ^^
On August 28 2015 02:19 Tiaraju9 wrote: Hitman need to fake this build and make probes and more immortals behind. If Elazer stays in the same drone count, he would lose.
Would actually be kind of clever, maybe that's the plan.
On August 28 2015 02:26 [PkF] Wire wrote: hmmmm in fact it's not a really fake third. I'm kinda surprised by the build to be honest, the late twilight doesn't make much sense to me.
random DTs ?
no it was just a garbo build, probably the same decision making process that caused him to cancel +1 and take 2 gases
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
23%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
8%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Hitman vs Elazer game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
On August 28 2015 02:26 [PkF] Wire wrote: hmmmm in fact it's not a really fake third. I'm kinda surprised by the build to be honest, the late twilight doesn't make much sense to me.
random DTs ?
no it was just a garbo build, probably the same decision making process that caused him to cancel +1 and take 2 gases
I think he was kinda hoping that the build he was doing made so little sense it would confuse Elazer, but Elazer's macro is just a hundred times better than his, so even if he didn't understand what he was facing (because I doubt he did) it didn't matter.
On August 28 2015 02:24 sharkie wrote: that third is a fake right?
It can't be fake, he has 4 gas and one gateway
This is like THE anti hitman build
The cheesiest thing a cheeser can do...
Unless you're objectively terrible at it lol
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
On August 28 2015 02:24 sharkie wrote: that third is a fake right?
It can't be fake, he has 4 gas and one gateway
This is like THE anti hitman build
The cheesiest thing a cheeser can do...
Unless you're objectively terrible at it lol
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
San at his peak was able to San gate Life and beat Life in macro games too
On August 28 2015 02:17 digmouse wrote: Is that the first time a gg is shown in first person view?
Actually now you say it...
Would have been fun if he had written curse words before like "FUCK FUCK I SUCK SO BAD" then erased it and type "gg" like he does all the time on his stream ^^
If he did that will he be fined for violating WCS rules? He didn't say it but it was shown on stream lol.
On August 28 2015 02:17 digmouse wrote: Is that the first time a gg is shown in first person view?
Actually now you say it...
Would have been fun if he had written curse words before like "FUCK FUCK I SUCK SO BAD" then erased it and type "gg" like he does all the time on his stream ^^
If he did that will he be fined for violating WCS rules? He didn't say it but it was shown on stream lol.
On August 28 2015 02:24 sharkie wrote: that third is a fake right?
It can't be fake, he has 4 gas and one gateway
This is like THE anti hitman build
The cheesiest thing a cheeser can do...
Unless you're objectively terrible at it lol
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
I'd almost put BW Flash in that sorta cheesy but still has godlike macro to back it up category. It seemed like half the time I saw him play there were raxes in the middle of the map.
On August 28 2015 02:24 sharkie wrote: that third is a fake right?
It can't be fake, he has 4 gas and one gateway
This is like THE anti hitman build
The cheesiest thing a cheeser can do...
Unless you're objectively terrible at it lol
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
On August 28 2015 02:31 Tenks wrote: I'd almost put BW Flash in that sorta cheesy but still has godlike macro to back it up category. It seemed like half the time I saw him play there were raxes in the middle of the map.
Yeah he was hilarious to watch sometimes. Showed interesting versatility.
On August 28 2015 02:32 Tiaraju9 wrote: Hitman doesn't make a robo in PvP. This series will be great.
Hitman has some VERY strange PvP builds. Sometimes he plays 1 gate expands... sometimes he plays standard blink... and sometimes he proxies a robo and things get wild.
And yeah, he likes his DTs He has a oracle + phoenix into DTs build.
On August 28 2015 02:24 sharkie wrote: that third is a fake right?
It can't be fake, he has 4 gas and one gateway
This is like THE anti hitman build
The cheesiest thing a cheeser can do...
Unless you're objectively terrible at it lol
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
On August 28 2015 02:33 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I'm about as much of a supporter of short, cheesy games as you'll find anywhere, but I don't want this guy to move on.
We only approve of cheese if you can play a strong macro game, but choose to cheese for hilarity reasons.
On August 28 2015 02:33 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I'm about as much of a supporter of short, cheesy games as you'll find anywhere, but I don't want this guy to move on.
On August 28 2015 02:24 sharkie wrote: that third is a fake right?
It can't be fake, he has 4 gas and one gateway
This is like THE anti hitman build
The cheesiest thing a cheeser can do...
Unless you're objectively terrible at it lol
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
On August 28 2015 02:24 sharkie wrote: that third is a fake right?
It can't be fake, he has 4 gas and one gateway
This is like THE anti hitman build
The cheesiest thing a cheeser can do...
Unless you're objectively terrible at it lol
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
On August 28 2015 02:24 sharkie wrote: that third is a fake right?
It can't be fake, he has 4 gas and one gateway
This is like THE anti hitman build
The cheesiest thing a cheeser can do...
Unless you're objectively terrible at it lol
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
On August 28 2015 02:24 sharkie wrote: that third is a fake right?
It can't be fake, he has 4 gas and one gateway
This is like THE anti hitman build
The cheesiest thing a cheeser can do...
Unless you're objectively terrible at it lol
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
Did someone ever see Bitbybit macro ?
Bitbybit was just ahead of the meta. Now that all Terrans pull workers Blizz had to go and get rid of the MULE in LotV. Truly a player that was years ahead of his times.
On August 28 2015 02:24 sharkie wrote: that third is a fake right?
It can't be fake, he has 4 gas and one gateway
This is like THE anti hitman build
The cheesiest thing a cheeser can do...
Unless you're objectively terrible at it lol
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
Did someone ever see Bitbybit macro ?
i dont think terrans really macrod in the era where bitbybit was relevant though? or was he relevant for longer than i can remember, lol
On August 28 2015 02:33 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I'm about as much of a supporter of short, cheesy games as you'll find anywhere, but I don't want this guy to move on.
We only approve of cheese if you can play a strong macro game, but choose to cheese for hilarity reasons.
On August 28 2015 02:24 sharkie wrote: that third is a fake right?
It can't be fake, he has 4 gas and one gateway
This is like THE anti hitman build
The cheesiest thing a cheeser can do...
Unless you're objectively terrible at it lol
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
Did someone ever see Bitbybit macro ?
i dont think terrans really macrod in the era where bitbybit was relevant though? or was he relevant for longer than i can remember, lol
Jinro got what top4 (?) GSL as a macro Terran during that era
On August 28 2015 02:33 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I'm about as much of a supporter of short, cheesy games as you'll find anywhere, but I don't want this guy to move on.
We only approve of cheese if you can play a strong macro game, but choose to cheese for hilarity reasons.
On August 28 2015 02:24 sharkie wrote: that third is a fake right?
It can't be fake, he has 4 gas and one gateway
This is like THE anti hitman build
The cheesiest thing a cheeser can do...
Unless you're objectively terrible at it lol
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
Did someone ever see Bitbybit macro ?
i dont think terrans really macrod in the era where bitbybit was relevant though? or was he relevant for longer than i can remember, lol
He almost made a comeback with that MJ fiasco, so maybe there was something there.
On August 28 2015 02:24 DarkLordOlli wrote: [quote]
It can't be fake, he has 4 gas and one gateway
This is like THE anti hitman build
The cheesiest thing a cheeser can do...
Unless you're objectively terrible at it lol
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
Did someone ever see Bitbybit macro ?
i dont think terrans really macrod in the era where bitbybit was relevant though? or was he relevant for longer than i can remember, lol
Jinro got what top4 (?) GSL as a macro Terran during that era
yeahyeah but he was like the only one/the one to start it. I thought bitbybit was more or less done around those times
On August 28 2015 02:33 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I'm about as much of a supporter of short, cheesy games as you'll find anywhere, but I don't want this guy to move on.
We only approve of cheese if you can play a strong macro game, but choose to cheese for hilarity reasons.
Or if you are Has.
It's actually in the way I enjoy the game, in my ideal version of StarCraft you wouldn't even be able to go to a second base without some skirmishing happening. Expansions should be earned, and these sheltered easy three-based maps are kinda disappointing to me.
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
Did someone ever see Bitbybit macro ?
i dont think terrans really macrod in the era where bitbybit was relevant though? or was he relevant for longer than i can remember, lol
Jinro got what top4 (?) GSL as a macro Terran during that era
yeahyeah but he was like the only one/the one to start it. I thought bitbybit was more or less done around those times
Jinro got that high in what like Open 3 or Open 4? Something like that. Fairly early into WoL release when my boy Bitbybit was still doing Bitbybit things. Unless I'm completely messing up my timelines.
On August 28 2015 02:24 DarkLordOlli wrote: [quote]
It can't be fake, he has 4 gas and one gateway
This is like THE anti hitman build
The cheesiest thing a cheeser can do...
Unless you're objectively terrible at it lol
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
Did someone ever see Bitbybit macro ?
i dont think terrans really macrod in the era where bitbybit was relevant though? or was he relevant for longer than i can remember, lol
Jinro got what top4 (?) GSL as a macro Terran during that era
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
Did someone ever see Bitbybit macro ?
i dont think terrans really macrod in the era where bitbybit was relevant though? or was he relevant for longer than i can remember, lol
Jinro got what top4 (?) GSL as a macro Terran during that era
Yes, twice!
Greatest foreigner of all time for sure.
Aaaah maybe it's because I wasn't playing SC2 during Jinro's run but as much as NaNiwa's an asshole, his Korea achievements are pretty outstanding.
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
Did someone ever see Bitbybit macro ?
i dont think terrans really macrod in the era where bitbybit was relevant though? or was he relevant for longer than i can remember, lol
Jinro got what top4 (?) GSL as a macro Terran during that era
Yes, twice!
Greatest foreigner of all time for sure.
Wasn't that picture (the unedited, obv) taken after Jinro beat MC on Scrap Station with a fuckton of Thors?
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
Did someone ever see Bitbybit macro ?
i dont think terrans really macrod in the era where bitbybit was relevant though? or was he relevant for longer than i can remember, lol
Jinro got what top4 (?) GSL as a macro Terran during that era
yeahyeah but he was like the only one/the one to start it. I thought bitbybit was more or less done around those times
Jinro got that high in what like Open 3 or Open 4? Something like that. Fairly early into WoL release when my boy Bitbybit was still doing Bitbybit things. Unless I'm completely messing up my timelines.
ohhhh yeah shit, that was actually in open 3 wasnt it. Thought Jinro got his RO4 at some point early on in 2011, not late 2010 :o
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
Did someone ever see Bitbybit macro ?
i dont think terrans really macrod in the era where bitbybit was relevant though? or was he relevant for longer than i can remember, lol
Jinro got what top4 (?) GSL as a macro Terran during that era
Yes, twice!
Greatest foreigner of all time for sure.
Wasn't that picture (the unedited, obv) taken after Jinro beat MC on Scrap Station with a fuckton of Thors?
On August 28 2015 02:24 sharkie wrote: that third is a fake right?
It can't be fake, he has 4 gas and one gateway
This is like THE anti hitman build
The cheesiest thing a cheeser can do...
Unless you're objectively terrible at it lol
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
On August 28 2015 02:24 DarkLordOlli wrote: [quote]
It can't be fake, he has 4 gas and one gateway
This is like THE anti hitman build
The cheesiest thing a cheeser can do...
Unless you're objectively terrible at it lol
Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
Did someone ever see Bitbybit macro ?
Or Fuzer?
Fuzer played turtle mech
equally disgusting, it should count imo
He also did some 2port banshee stuff relatively often though
On August 28 2015 02:29 [PkF] Wire wrote: [quote] Yeah that's why truly great cheesers/all-inners like PartinG MC or Stardust when he was good are so incredibly dangerous. Even hyvaa was pretty incredible at macro.
hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
Did someone ever see Bitbybit macro ?
i dont think terrans really macrod in the era where bitbybit was relevant though? or was he relevant for longer than i can remember, lol
Jinro got what top4 (?) GSL as a macro Terran during that era
yeahyeah but he was like the only one/the one to start it. I thought bitbybit was more or less done around those times
Jinro got that high in what like Open 3 or Open 4? Something like that. Fairly early into WoL release when my boy Bitbybit was still doing Bitbybit things. Unless I'm completely messing up my timelines.
ohhhh yeah shit, that was actually in open 3 wasnt it. Thought Jinro got his RO4 at some point early on in 2011, not late 2010 :o
On August 28 2015 02:30 Ej_ wrote: [quote] hyvaa was my favorite player, he could go toe to toe in macro with some of the top players but he still chose to cheese out fucking Fantasy
Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
Did someone ever see Bitbybit macro ?
i dont think terrans really macrod in the era where bitbybit was relevant though? or was he relevant for longer than i can remember, lol
Jinro got what top4 (?) GSL as a macro Terran during that era
yeahyeah but he was like the only one/the one to start it. I thought bitbybit was more or less done around those times
Jinro got that high in what like Open 3 or Open 4? Something like that. Fairly early into WoL release when my boy Bitbybit was still doing Bitbybit things. Unless I'm completely messing up my timelines.
ohhhh yeah shit, that was actually in open 3 wasnt it. Thought Jinro got his RO4 at some point early on in 2011, not late 2010 :o
some OG shit right here
He got Ro4 in Open season 3 2010 and GSL Jan 2011
I knew there was some truth in my fragmented memories, deep down
On August 28 2015 02:31 [PkF] Wire wrote: [quote] Shine was pretty impressive too.
I can't think of a T cheeser that could hold a macro game, probably because you can't really play cheesy as T except you're RuFF, and RuFF sucks in pro standards
Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
Did someone ever see Bitbybit macro ?
i dont think terrans really macrod in the era where bitbybit was relevant though? or was he relevant for longer than i can remember, lol
Jinro got what top4 (?) GSL as a macro Terran during that era
yeahyeah but he was like the only one/the one to start it. I thought bitbybit was more or less done around those times
Jinro got that high in what like Open 3 or Open 4? Something like that. Fairly early into WoL release when my boy Bitbybit was still doing Bitbybit things. Unless I'm completely messing up my timelines.
ohhhh yeah shit, that was actually in open 3 wasnt it. Thought Jinro got his RO4 at some point early on in 2011, not late 2010 :o
some OG shit right here
He got Ro4 in Open season 3 2010 and GSL Jan 2011
I knew there was some truth in my fragmented memories, deep down
you probably remember the 2011 one because it was when he beat Idra in the Ro8
Yeah for whatever reason people tend to forget Jinro when talking about best foreigners. Scarlett and Naniwa being the two that most often pop up then some nods to IdrA but Jinro had the best accomplishments. He just didn't talk about how good he was like the others. He just let his play speak for itself.
On August 28 2015 02:46 Tenks wrote: Yeah for whatever reason people tend to forget Jinro when talking about best foreigners. Scarlett and Naniwa being the two that most often pop up then some nods to IdrA but Jinro had the best accomplishments. He just didn't talk about how good he was like the others. He just let his play speak for itself.
But Jinro did it at a time when nothing was figured out yet. Scarlett and Naniwa did it when Koreans took over SC2
On August 28 2015 02:46 IntoTheheart wrote: Imagine how PvP would look if Protoss could build anywhere with Pylon power, not just on their own fields.
Can we have this Blizzard?
Proxy gating would be hilarious
Haha it's up to them to make the call, I'm not an armchair game designer - I only shitpost about game design when something incredibly random comes up.
On August 28 2015 02:46 Tenks wrote: Yeah for whatever reason people tend to forget Jinro when talking about best foreigners. Scarlett and Naniwa being the two that most often pop up then some nods to IdrA but Jinro had the best accomplishments. He just didn't talk about how good he was like the others. He just let his play speak for itself.
But Jinro did it at a time when nothing was figured out yet. Scarlett and Naniwa did it when Koreans took over SC2
On August 28 2015 02:46 Tenks wrote: Yeah for whatever reason people tend to forget Jinro when talking about best foreigners. Scarlett and Naniwa being the two that most often pop up then some nods to IdrA but Jinro had the best accomplishments. He just didn't talk about how good he was like the others. He just let his play speak for itself.
But Jinro did it at a time when nothing was figured out yet. Scarlett and Naniwa did it when Koreans took over SC2
Yeah, Jinro invented SC2 macro.
disagree. I was macroing against the AI before jinro played in GSL
On August 28 2015 02:46 Tenks wrote: Yeah for whatever reason people tend to forget Jinro when talking about best foreigners. Scarlett and Naniwa being the two that most often pop up then some nods to IdrA but Jinro had the best accomplishments. He just didn't talk about how good he was like the others. He just let his play speak for itself.
But Jinro did it at a time when nothing was figured out yet. Scarlett and Naniwa did it when Koreans took over SC2
Yeah which is why I don't really know how to rate Jinro's achievements. Pretty high of course, but I would have wanted to see him in 2012.
On August 28 2015 02:46 Tenks wrote: Yeah for whatever reason people tend to forget Jinro when talking about best foreigners. Scarlett and Naniwa being the two that most often pop up then some nods to IdrA but Jinro had the best accomplishments. He just didn't talk about how good he was like the others. He just let his play speak for itself.
But Jinro did it at a time when nothing was figured out yet. Scarlett and Naniwa did it when Koreans took over SC2
SC2 has been Korean dominated its entire existence. The only time you can ever point saying foreigners were even remotely competitive was TLS3 but it was extremely obvious to anyone watching those games the Koreans had unplayable lag.
On August 28 2015 02:33 Aocowns wrote: [quote] Maybe naama? dont remember if he was okay-ish at macro game, but he was def cheesy scum even by ruff/hitman standard iirc
Did someone ever see Bitbybit macro ?
i dont think terrans really macrod in the era where bitbybit was relevant though? or was he relevant for longer than i can remember, lol
Jinro got what top4 (?) GSL as a macro Terran during that era
yeahyeah but he was like the only one/the one to start it. I thought bitbybit was more or less done around those times
Jinro got that high in what like Open 3 or Open 4? Something like that. Fairly early into WoL release when my boy Bitbybit was still doing Bitbybit things. Unless I'm completely messing up my timelines.
ohhhh yeah shit, that was actually in open 3 wasnt it. Thought Jinro got his RO4 at some point early on in 2011, not late 2010 :o
some OG shit right here
He got Ro4 in Open season 3 2010 and GSL Jan 2011
I knew there was some truth in my fragmented memories, deep down
you probably remember the 2011 one because it was when he beat Idra in the Ro8
That hurts
We all know that only happened cus Jinro randomly started macroing, which was unheard of for terrans, so captain Greggory was at a disadvantage. Also bad soundproofing and crowd yelling during the early pool game so jinro knew also fuck that single marine also idra is sexy and always will be he was just misunderstood
On August 28 2015 02:46 Tenks wrote: Yeah for whatever reason people tend to forget Jinro when talking about best foreigners. Scarlett and Naniwa being the two that most often pop up then some nods to IdrA but Jinro had the best accomplishments. He just didn't talk about how good he was like the others. He just let his play speak for itself.
That's because aside from his GSL runs and that one MLG he didn't really do much else
On August 28 2015 02:46 Tenks wrote: Yeah for whatever reason people tend to forget Jinro when talking about best foreigners. Scarlett and Naniwa being the two that most often pop up then some nods to IdrA but Jinro had the best accomplishments. He just didn't talk about how good he was like the others. He just let his play speak for itself.
But Jinro did it at a time when nothing was figured out yet. Scarlett and Naniwa did it when Koreans took over SC2
Yeah which is why I don't really know how to rate Jinro's achievements. Pretty high of course, but I would have wanted to see him in 2012.
On August 28 2015 02:46 Tenks wrote: Yeah for whatever reason people tend to forget Jinro when talking about best foreigners. Scarlett and Naniwa being the two that most often pop up then some nods to IdrA but Jinro had the best accomplishments. He just didn't talk about how good he was like the others. He just let his play speak for itself.
But Jinro did it at a time when nothing was figured out yet. Scarlett and Naniwa did it when Koreans took over SC2
SC2 has been Korean dominated its entire existence. The only time you can ever point saying foreigners were even remotely competitive was TLS3 but it was extremely obvious to anyone watching those games the Koreans had unplayable lag.
There has been competitive foreigners (people that could take series out of Koreans) at virtually every point. Jinro, Thorzain, NaNiwa, Stephano, Scarlett, Snute...
On August 28 2015 02:46 Tenks wrote: Yeah for whatever reason people tend to forget Jinro when talking about best foreigners. Scarlett and Naniwa being the two that most often pop up then some nods to IdrA but Jinro had the best accomplishments. He just didn't talk about how good he was like the others. He just let his play speak for itself.
That's because aside from his GSL runs and that one MLG he didn't really do much else
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On August 28 2015 02:46 Tenks wrote: Yeah for whatever reason people tend to forget Jinro when talking about best foreigners. Scarlett and Naniwa being the two that most often pop up then some nods to IdrA but Jinro had the best accomplishments. He just didn't talk about how good he was like the others. He just let his play speak for itself.
That's because aside from his GSL runs and that one MLG he didn't really do much else
On August 28 2015 02:52 sharkie wrote: I already said it in herO's game but 1 gate proxy must be the worst PvP build in existence, only nexus first is worse I guess
1-gate proxy probably beats Nexus-first at least right?
On August 28 2015 02:52 sharkie wrote: I already said it in herO's game but 1 gate proxy must be the worst PvP build in existence, only nexus first is worse I guess
one gate proxy is pretty strong if the other guy doesn't have a cancellable zealot on the way.
On August 28 2015 02:46 Tenks wrote: Yeah for whatever reason people tend to forget Jinro when talking about best foreigners. Scarlett and Naniwa being the two that most often pop up then some nods to IdrA but Jinro had the best accomplishments. He just didn't talk about how good he was like the others. He just let his play speak for itself.
But Jinro did it at a time when nothing was figured out yet. Scarlett and Naniwa did it when Koreans took over SC2
SC2 has been Korean dominated its entire existence. The only time you can ever point saying foreigners were even remotely competitive was TLS3 but it was extremely obvious to anyone watching those games the Koreans had unplayable lag.
There has been competitive foreigners (people that could take series out of Koreans) at virtually every point. Jinro, Thorzain, NaNiwa, Stephano, Scarlett, Snute...
I'm talking wholesale foreign scene competitive vs KR. Not one guy being competitive.
On August 28 2015 02:46 Tenks wrote: Yeah for whatever reason people tend to forget Jinro when talking about best foreigners. Scarlett and Naniwa being the two that most often pop up then some nods to IdrA but Jinro had the best accomplishments. He just didn't talk about how good he was like the others. He just let his play speak for itself.
But Jinro did it at a time when nothing was figured out yet. Scarlett and Naniwa did it when Koreans took over SC2
SC2 has been Korean dominated its entire existence. The only time you can ever point saying foreigners were even remotely competitive was TLS3 but it was extremely obvious to anyone watching those games the Koreans had unplayable lag.
There has been competitive foreigners (people that could take series out of Koreans) at virtually every point. Jinro, Thorzain, NaNiwa, Stephano, Scarlett, Snute...
I'm talking wholesale foreign scene competitive vs KR. Not one guy being competitive.
yeah ofc... I guess the whole foreign scene will likely never be on par with the Korean scene. At least TL and Millenium are trying to give themselves the means to fight on an even ground.
On August 28 2015 02:46 Tenks wrote: Yeah for whatever reason people tend to forget Jinro when talking about best foreigners. Scarlett and Naniwa being the two that most often pop up then some nods to IdrA but Jinro had the best accomplishments. He just didn't talk about how good he was like the others. He just let his play speak for itself.
But Jinro did it at a time when nothing was figured out yet. Scarlett and Naniwa did it when Koreans took over SC2
SC2 has been Korean dominated its entire existence. The only time you can ever point saying foreigners were even remotely competitive was TLS3 but it was extremely obvious to anyone watching those games the Koreans had unplayable lag.
There has been competitive foreigners (people that could take series out of Koreans) at virtually every point. Jinro, Thorzain, NaNiwa, Stephano, Scarlett, Snute...
I'm talking wholesale foreign scene competitive vs KR. Not one guy being competitive.
yeah ofc... I guess the whole foreign scene will likely never be on par with the Korean scene. At least TL and Millenium are trying to give themselves the means to fight on an even ground.
On August 28 2015 02:46 Tenks wrote: Yeah for whatever reason people tend to forget Jinro when talking about best foreigners. Scarlett and Naniwa being the two that most often pop up then some nods to IdrA but Jinro had the best accomplishments. He just didn't talk about how good he was like the others. He just let his play speak for itself.
But Jinro did it at a time when nothing was figured out yet. Scarlett and Naniwa did it when Koreans took over SC2
SC2 has been Korean dominated its entire existence. The only time you can ever point saying foreigners were even remotely competitive was TLS3 but it was extremely obvious to anyone watching those games the Koreans had unplayable lag.
There has been competitive foreigners (people that could take series out of Koreans) at virtually every point. Jinro, Thorzain, NaNiwa, Stephano, Scarlett, Snute...
I'm talking wholesale foreign scene competitive vs KR. Not one guy being competitive.
yeah ofc... I guess the whole foreign scene will likely never be on par with the Korean scene. At least TL and Millenium are trying to give themselves the means to fight on an even ground.
by buying out Koreans ?
Comparatively, TL Foreigners probably have a better shot vs. Koreans as opposed to Millenium Foreigners. Plus it's not like TL bought them in their hayday, they were fairly homegrown.
EDIT: Out of all foreign teams, I'd say the biggest offenders of "buying koreans to be formidable" are dPix and MyI, not TL or Millenium.
On August 28 2015 03:09 sharkie wrote: So considering most of us cannot even list 5 US players I guess hitman was pretty modest by calling himself only top3/top5?
On August 28 2015 03:09 sharkie wrote: So considering most of us cannot even list 5 US players I guess hitman was pretty modest by calling himself only top3/top5?
On August 28 2015 03:09 sharkie wrote: So considering most of us cannot even list 5 US players I guess hitman was pretty modest by calling himself only top3/top5?
speaking of mice, I need a new one, this M100 has been great, but it keeps unplugging itself recently and I lose games because of that also will need to clean the USB ports some day soon :/
On August 28 2015 03:17 Ej_ wrote: Snute doesn't have a ZvZ style, he plays all of the standard build orders
That's why he is so good isn't he? You don't know what to expect of him.
he just has good decision making, but he's been exploited before by good ZvZ players like Targa or Nerchio
Yeah his injects actually slip sometimes, and it feels like he goes into infestors too fast sometimes. Most of the times I see snute lose ZvZ its because hes being run over in the midgame
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On August 28 2015 03:18 brickrd wrote: i love pig but something about his voice and face makes it seem like he's always drunk and has a boner
And that should be detrimental? If a caster has a boner when casting it only does mean that he's good at his job.
If he also gives the viewer a boner, you know you've found a truly amazing caster. Artosis does that for me.
I used to think like you until I realised that by that logic Lindsay Sporrer was better than Artosis. That's why you should trust more a caster's boner rather than yours.
On August 28 2015 03:18 brickrd wrote: i love pig but something about his voice and face makes it seem like he's always drunk and has a boner
And that should be detrimental? If a caster has a boner when casting it only does mean that he's good at his job.
If he also gives the viewer a boner, you know you've found a truly amazing caster. Artosis does that for me.
I used to think like you until I realised that by that logic Lindsay Sporrer was better than Artosis. That's why you should trust more a caster's boner rather than yours.
HAHA!
But I think it should be the other way around for hosts, which is why Smix, seltzer and lindsay sporrer are great as hosts. I mean I'd rather get a boner myself, than imagining one of them having one
On August 28 2015 03:18 brickrd wrote: i love pig but something about his voice and face makes it seem like he's always drunk and has a boner
And that should be detrimental? If a caster has a boner when casting it only does mean that he's good at his job.
If he also gives the viewer a boner, you know you've found a truly amazing caster. Artosis does that for me.
I used to think like you until I realised that by that logic Lindsay Sporrer was better than Artosis. That's why you should trust more a caster's boner rather than yours.
HAHA!
But I think it should be the other way around for hosts, which is why Smix, seltzer and lindsay sporrer are great as hosts. I mean I'd rather get a boner myself, than imagining one of them having one
Lindsay was the girl that did a WCS, right? I remember complaining that Redeye wasn't there for it, and someone mentioning that she was hot, but not as witty. And hence not as good.
On August 28 2015 03:18 brickrd wrote: i love pig but something about his voice and face makes it seem like he's always drunk and has a boner
And that should be detrimental? If a caster has a boner when casting it only does mean that he's good at his job.
If he also gives the viewer a boner, you know you've found a truly amazing caster. Artosis does that for me.
I used to think like you until I realised that by that logic Lindsay Sporrer was better than Artosis. That's why you should trust more a caster's boner rather than yours.
HAHA!
But I think it should be the other way around for hosts, which is why Smix, seltzer and lindsay sporrer are great as hosts. I mean I'd rather get a boner myself, than imagining one of them having one
Lindsay was the girl that did a WCS, right? I remember complaining that Redeye wasn't there for it, and someone mentioning that she was hot, but not as witty. And hence not as good.
But any host fails compared to Redeye... Chobra the only one comparable imo
On August 28 2015 03:30 Circumstance wrote: I notice that TES in sponsored by Hitbox, but I can't help but wonder what being sponsored by Hitbox means anymore.
I hardly even know what Hitbox is at this point but it's probably Hitman's sandbox
On August 28 2015 03:18 brickrd wrote: i love pig but something about his voice and face makes it seem like he's always drunk and has a boner
And that should be detrimental? If a caster has a boner when casting it only does mean that he's good at his job.
If he also gives the viewer a boner, you know you've found a truly amazing caster. Artosis does that for me.
I used to think like you until I realised that by that logic Lindsay Sporrer was better than Artosis. That's why you should trust more a caster's boner rather than yours.
HAHA!
But I think it should be the other way around for hosts, which is why Smix, seltzer and lindsay sporrer are great as hosts. I mean I'd rather get a boner myself, than imagining one of them having one
Lindsay was the girl that did a WCS, right? I remember complaining that Redeye wasn't there for it, and someone mentioning that she was hot, but not as witty. And hence not as good.
But any host fails compared to Redeye... Chobra the only one comparable imo
Chobra hosting still isn't great. I really like the fact that he can both host and translate.
On August 28 2015 03:18 brickrd wrote: i love pig but something about his voice and face makes it seem like he's always drunk and has a boner
And that should be detrimental? If a caster has a boner when casting it only does mean that he's good at his job.
If he also gives the viewer a boner, you know you've found a truly amazing caster. Artosis does that for me.
I used to think like you until I realised that by that logic Lindsay Sporrer was better than Artosis. That's why you should trust more a caster's boner rather than yours.
HAHA!
But I think it should be the other way around for hosts, which is why Smix, seltzer and lindsay sporrer are great as hosts. I mean I'd rather get a boner myself, than imagining one of them having one
Lindsay was the girl that did a WCS, right? I remember complaining that Redeye wasn't there for it, and someone mentioning that she was hot, but not as witty. And hence not as good.
On August 28 2015 03:18 brickrd wrote: i love pig but something about his voice and face makes it seem like he's always drunk and has a boner
And that should be detrimental? If a caster has a boner when casting it only does mean that he's good at his job.
If he also gives the viewer a boner, you know you've found a truly amazing caster. Artosis does that for me.
I used to think like you until I realised that by that logic Lindsay Sporrer was better than Artosis. That's why you should trust more a caster's boner rather than yours.
HAHA!
But I think it should be the other way around for hosts, which is why Smix, seltzer and lindsay sporrer are great as hosts. I mean I'd rather get a boner myself, than imagining one of them having one
Lindsay was the girl that did a WCS, right? I remember complaining that Redeye wasn't there for it, and someone mentioning that she was hot, but not as witty. And hence not as good.
But any host fails compared to Redeye... Chobra the only one comparable imo
Exactly, Chobra held IEM CSGO World Championship last week at the highest level, I was impressed
On August 28 2015 03:18 brickrd wrote: i love pig but something about his voice and face makes it seem like he's always drunk and has a boner
And that should be detrimental? If a caster has a boner when casting it only does mean that he's good at his job.
If he also gives the viewer a boner, you know you've found a truly amazing caster. Artosis does that for me.
I used to think like you until I realised that by that logic Lindsay Sporrer was better than Artosis. That's why you should trust more a caster's boner rather than yours.
HAHA!
But I think it should be the other way around for hosts, which is why Smix, seltzer and lindsay sporrer are great as hosts. I mean I'd rather get a boner myself, than imagining one of them having one
Lindsay was the girl that did a WCS, right? I remember complaining that Redeye wasn't there for it, and someone mentioning that she was hot, but not as witty. And hence not as good.
On August 28 2015 03:18 brickrd wrote: i love pig but something about his voice and face makes it seem like he's always drunk and has a boner
And that should be detrimental? If a caster has a boner when casting it only does mean that he's good at his job.
If he also gives the viewer a boner, you know you've found a truly amazing caster. Artosis does that for me.
I used to think like you until I realised that by that logic Lindsay Sporrer was better than Artosis. That's why you should trust more a caster's boner rather than yours.
HAHA!
But I think it should be the other way around for hosts, which is why Smix, seltzer and lindsay sporrer are great as hosts. I mean I'd rather get a boner myself, than imagining one of them having one
Lindsay was the girl that did a WCS, right? I remember complaining that Redeye wasn't there for it, and someone mentioning that she was hot, but not as witty. And hence not as good.
But any host fails compared to Redeye... Chobra the only one comparable imo
Exactly, Chobra held IEM CSGO World Championship last week at the highest level, I was impressed
Oh and the Joshua "clutch" Gray guy was pretty good too I think. I remember him doing some SC2, think he was above the average host
On August 28 2015 03:18 brickrd wrote: i love pig but something about his voice and face makes it seem like he's always drunk and has a boner
And that should be detrimental? If a caster has a boner when casting it only does mean that he's good at his job.
If he also gives the viewer a boner, you know you've found a truly amazing caster. Artosis does that for me.
I used to think like you until I realised that by that logic Lindsay Sporrer was better than Artosis. That's why you should trust more a caster's boner rather than yours.
HAHA!
But I think it should be the other way around for hosts, which is why Smix, seltzer and lindsay sporrer are great as hosts. I mean I'd rather get a boner myself, than imagining one of them having one
Lindsay was the girl that did a WCS, right? I remember complaining that Redeye wasn't there for it, and someone mentioning that she was hot, but not as witty. And hence not as good.
Nah she did NASL I think
I can't remember what it was, but she was a blonde that wasn't Redeye - can't say I was terribly pleased.
On August 28 2015 03:18 brickrd wrote: i love pig but something about his voice and face makes it seem like he's always drunk and has a boner
And that should be detrimental? If a caster has a boner when casting it only does mean that he's good at his job.
If he also gives the viewer a boner, you know you've found a truly amazing caster. Artosis does that for me.
I used to think like you until I realised that by that logic Lindsay Sporrer was better than Artosis. That's why you should trust more a caster's boner rather than yours.
HAHA!
But I think it should be the other way around for hosts, which is why Smix, seltzer and lindsay sporrer are great as hosts. I mean I'd rather get a boner myself, than imagining one of them having one
Lindsay was the girl that did a WCS, right? I remember complaining that Redeye wasn't there for it, and someone mentioning that she was hot, but not as witty. And hence not as good.
Nah she did NASL I think
she also modelled for playboy
Wasnt that Lauren Elise? Or were we really blessed with 2 playboy models
On August 28 2015 03:18 brickrd wrote: i love pig but something about his voice and face makes it seem like he's always drunk and has a boner
And that should be detrimental? If a caster has a boner when casting it only does mean that he's good at his job.
If he also gives the viewer a boner, you know you've found a truly amazing caster. Artosis does that for me.
I used to think like you until I realised that by that logic Lindsay Sporrer was better than Artosis. That's why you should trust more a caster's boner rather than yours.
HAHA!
But I think it should be the other way around for hosts, which is why Smix, seltzer and lindsay sporrer are great as hosts. I mean I'd rather get a boner myself, than imagining one of them having one
Lindsay was the girl that did a WCS, right? I remember complaining that Redeye wasn't there for it, and someone mentioning that she was hot, but not as witty. And hence not as good.
But any host fails compared to Redeye... Chobra the only one comparable imo
Exactly, Chobra held IEM CSGO World Championship last week at the highest level, I was impressed
Oh and the Joshua "clutch" Gray guy was pretty good too I think. I remember him doing some SC2, think he was above the average host
On August 28 2015 03:18 brickrd wrote: i love pig but something about his voice and face makes it seem like he's always drunk and has a boner
And that should be detrimental? If a caster has a boner when casting it only does mean that he's good at his job.
If he also gives the viewer a boner, you know you've found a truly amazing caster. Artosis does that for me.
I used to think like you until I realised that by that logic Lindsay Sporrer was better than Artosis. That's why you should trust more a caster's boner rather than yours.
HAHA!
But I think it should be the other way around for hosts, which is why Smix, seltzer and lindsay sporrer are great as hosts. I mean I'd rather get a boner myself, than imagining one of them having one
Lindsay was the girl that did a WCS, right? I remember complaining that Redeye wasn't there for it, and someone mentioning that she was hot, but not as witty. And hence not as good.
But any host fails compared to Redeye... Chobra the only one comparable imo
Exactly, Chobra held IEM CSGO World Championship last week at the highest level, I was impressed
Oh and the Joshua "clutch" Gray guy was pretty good too I think. I remember him doing some SC2, think he was above the average host
#freeterry
Yeah seriously, what ended up happening to Terry the King?
why is 3 the magic number for infestors again? I remember hearing multiple times that if you make only 3 infestors then the energy upgrade isn't worth it
On August 28 2015 03:40 chipmonklord17 wrote: why is 3 the magic number for infestors again? I remember hearing multiple times that if you make only 3 infestors then the energy upgrade isn't worth it
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
17%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend winners' match game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend winners' match game 3?
★★★ - Good game (2)
50%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
25%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
25%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend winners' match game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
On August 28 2015 03:30 Circumstance wrote: I notice that TES in sponsored by Hitbox, but I can't help but wonder what being sponsored by Hitbox means anymore.
I hardly even know what Hitbox is at this point but it's probably Hitman's sandbox
It's one of those sites that wants to be Twitch, but isn't.
I firmly believe that Hitman was hiding builds before their rematch and that's why g3 looked like a miscarriage on a train crashing into a tunnel painted on a rock
On August 28 2015 03:46 Shellshock wrote: Hitman looks like a nice guy
i want him to start winning tournaments with the most ridiculous abusive idiotic builds and just be the nicest dude ever in every interview, constantly talking about how great his opponents are. like 100x more likeable than polt
On August 28 2015 03:46 Shellshock wrote: Hitman looks like a nice guy
i want him to start winning tournaments with the most ridiculous abusive idiotic builds and just be the nicest dude ever in every interview, constantly talking about how great his opponents are. like 100x more likeable than polt
On August 28 2015 03:30 Circumstance wrote: I notice that TES in sponsored by Hitbox, but I can't help but wonder what being sponsored by Hitbox means anymore.
I hardly even know what Hitbox is at this point but it's probably Hitman's sandbox
It's one of those sites that wants to be Twitch, but isn't.
So you mean it isn't a streaming platform attempting monopoly with on-the-whole sub-par quality and slightly shoddy business practices?
On August 28 2015 03:46 Shellshock wrote: Hitman looks like a nice guy
i want him to start winning tournaments with the most ridiculous abusive idiotic builds and just be the nicest dude ever in every interview, constantly talking about how great his opponents are. like 100x more likeable than polt
that would be hilarious
He needs to BM in games like "cmon man I know you can beat this" or "just try a little harder! you got this!'
On August 28 2015 03:46 Shellshock wrote: Hitman looks like a nice guy
i want him to start winning tournaments with the most ridiculous abusive idiotic builds and just be the nicest dude ever in every interview, constantly talking about how great his opponents are. like 100x more likeable than polt
that would be hilarious
Doesn't sOs exist already?
sOs isn't that much more likeable than Polt though.
On August 28 2015 03:46 Shellshock wrote: Hitman looks like a nice guy
i want him to start winning tournaments with the most ridiculous abusive idiotic builds and just be the nicest dude ever in every interview, constantly talking about how great his opponents are. like 100x more likeable than polt
that would be hilarious
He needs to BM in games like "cmon man I know you can beat this" or "just try a little harder! you got this!'
drop 5 manner nexuses and then talk about how great his opponent is after the game
On August 28 2015 03:46 Shellshock wrote: Hitman looks like a nice guy
i want him to start winning tournaments with the most ridiculous abusive idiotic builds and just be the nicest dude ever in every interview, constantly talking about how great his opponents are. like 100x more likeable than polt
that would be hilarious
He needs to BM in games like "cmon man I know you can beat this" or "just try a little harder! you got this!'
drop 5 manner nexuses and then talk about how great his opponent is after the game
On August 28 2015 03:46 Shellshock wrote: Hitman looks like a nice guy
i want him to start winning tournaments with the most ridiculous abusive idiotic builds and just be the nicest dude ever in every interview, constantly talking about how great his opponents are. like 100x more likeable than polt
that would be hilarious
Doesn't sOs exist already?
sOs isn't that much more likeable than Polt though.
sos is also a perfectly legitimate macro player, it's just that he's more known for his prepared builds and crafty moves
On August 28 2015 03:56 MavivaM wrote: That was... unexpected. I had always pictured Hitman to look like a scariest version of Bling, or eventually another copy of Cruncher.
I was hoping he was secretly Cruncher this whole time
On August 28 2015 03:56 MavivaM wrote: That was... unexpected. I had always pictured Hitman to look like a scariest version of Bling, or eventually another copy of Cruncher.
I was hoping he was secretly Cruncher this whole time
Idra the prophet did spoke, and Cruncher the heretic did indeed disappear in a few months, never to be relevant anymore. Amen.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend final match game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
On August 28 2015 04:08 Poopfeast 024 wrote: i guess this is one of those builds that works because you don't expect it.
but why the hell wouldn't you expect it vs hitman?
Its honestly such a strange build. If it was proxy 2 gate Elazer would have been fine, its when they add the forge that the game becomes really wonky. You have to make sure to kill the probe because once the first cannon goes up its almost always game over
Isn't that overlord scout really bad? You're closer to the ramp then the nexus in that situation and you're almost never going to see a protoss not wall off
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
8%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
24 total votes
Your vote: Recommend final match game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend final match game 3?
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (6)
55%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (3)
27%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
9%
★★★ - Good game (1)
9%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend final match game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
On August 28 2015 04:11 Ej_ wrote: this guy is pathetic lol
Elazer got the best opening though, should hold it if he doesn't tilt
Elazer needs to learn to scout
this loss had nothing to do with scouting but ok
There's very little doubt in my mind that Elazer is the better player, but for some reason he played like a moron today. On top of that he was mediocre mechanically, so he didn't deserve to go through.
Elaiser failed with his spines. Donated the first one when he repositioned it, donated the second one when he didnt engage with his zerglings to save it. Got then overwhelmed with Zealots.
On August 28 2015 04:11 Ej_ wrote: this guy is pathetic lol
Elazer got the best opening though, should hold it if he doesn't tilt
Elazer needs to learn to scout
Tell me how did he failed at scouting?
Did you see a drone scout? This is a 4player map vs the cheesiest protoss of NA. That's failing at scouting
He had all the information he needed. He failed at control. Especially when he lost the first spine.
drone scout won't even necessarily see anything before the ovie, in fact in this case it certainly wouldn't. you don't drone and ovie scout the same base
On August 28 2015 04:18 Grollicus wrote: Elaiser failed with his spines. Donated the first one when he repositioned it, donated the second one when he didnt engage with his zerglings to save it. Got then overwhelmed with Lings.
That and some questionable queen micro at the beginning.. got too greedy trying to do damage and went out of position, stalkers put on too much damage. A number of small mistakes built up..
On August 28 2015 04:20 vult wrote: The rage quit on the big stage. Ouch.
Elazers WCS dreams got crushed.. esp if he felt like he was losing to a worse player, I dont blame him for the no gg and chair turn around. You dont really want your face on camera in a situation like that
So will Xigua take it home for China or will they be 0-4 in the ro16? I think TLO/Xigua is definitely possible but I could see Xigua getting knocked out
On August 28 2015 04:20 vult wrote: The rage quit on the big stage. Ouch.
Elazers WCS dreams got crushed.. esp if he felt like he was losing to a worse player, I dont blame him for the no gg and chair turn around. You dont really want your face on camera in a situation like that
If you can't defend even poorly executed cheese you don't deserve to advance
On August 28 2015 04:20 vult wrote: The rage quit on the big stage. Ouch.
Elazers WCS dreams got crushed.. esp if he felt like he was losing to a worse player, I dont blame him for the no gg and chair turn around. You dont really want your face on camera in a situation like that
If you can't defend even poorly executed cheese you don't deserve to advance
coincidentally elazer first made premier thanks to Showtime's poorly executed cheese. IT ALL COMES FULL CIRCLE
On August 28 2015 04:11 Ej_ wrote: this guy is pathetic lol
Elazer got the best opening though, should hold it if he doesn't tilt
Elazer needs to learn to scout
Tell me how did he failed at scouting?
Did you see a drone scout? This is a 4player map vs the cheesiest protoss of NA. That's failing at scouting
He had all the information he needed. He failed at control. Especially when he lost the first spine.
Control? All he needed was to build mass spines and its gg for hitman
He had 2 spines and lost them too easily. Also he failed to target the stalkers with lings.
dude he scouted with 2nd overlord only and his 2nd spine got damaged to 20% health while it was positioning. basically he already lost at that point.
with 3 full health spines in the front he would've beaten this easily.
i don't know what the fuck he was thinking, playing against the cheesiest player on the planet and not scouting. he deserved to lose 100%. thing is he was probably tilted as funk from the 1st game.
On August 28 2015 04:20 vult wrote: The rage quit on the big stage. Ouch.
Elazers WCS dreams got crushed.. esp if he felt like he was losing to a worse player, I dont blame him for the no gg and chair turn around. You dont really want your face on camera in a situation like that
If you can't defend even poorly executed cheese you don't deserve to advance
I'm not saying he deserves to advance, I'm all for whoever wins advances. I'm just saying his rage quit isnt unjustified. He's probably just mad at himself for letting it happen
It´s frustrating to see someone who only knows how to cheese to be "top-16" in Europe and NA. So many superior players are left out and guy like this gets in only because protoss is abusable as fuck.
On August 28 2015 04:20 vult wrote: The rage quit on the big stage. Ouch.
Dont think it was a rage quit, he was genuinely upset at losing. It has to hurt getting knocked out to that kind of play
Oh im not saying he wasnt genuinely upset, but its another thing to throw your headset on the table, no-GG out of the game, and turn your chair away from a post-series handshake.
On August 28 2015 04:20 vult wrote: The rage quit on the big stage. Ouch.
Elazers WCS dreams got crushed.. esp if he felt like he was losing to a worse player, I dont blame him for the no gg and chair turn around. You dont really want your face on camera in a situation like that
If you can't defend even poorly executed cheese you don't deserve to advance
coincidentally elazer first made premier thanks to Showtime's poorly executed cheese. IT ALL COMES FULL CIRCLE
The Protoss cheese gods giveth, the Protoss cheese gods taketh away
On August 28 2015 04:23 RaFox17 wrote: It´s frustrating to see someone who only knows how to cheese to be "top-16" in Europe and NA. So many superior players are left out and guy like this gets in only because protoss is abusable as fuck.
No he is in because his opponent treated him like a standard player
On August 28 2015 04:23 RaFox17 wrote: It´s frustrating to see someone who only knows how to cheese to be "top-16" in Europe and NA. So many superior players are left out and guy like this gets in only because protoss is abusable as fuck.
he got in because he gets to play the weaker qualies, not because of the race. With all due respect to non-Europeans, the actual "top-16" of WCS is Hydra, Polt, Jaedong, Stardust and 12 Europeans. The "superior players" actually get knocked out in EU Challenger mostly (and then there's fucking Bunny who went full Elazer, did Elazer go full Bunny?)
On August 28 2015 04:11 Ej_ wrote: this guy is pathetic lol
Elazer got the best opening though, should hold it if he doesn't tilt
Elazer needs to learn to scout
Tell me how did he failed at scouting?
Did you see a drone scout? This is a 4player map vs the cheesiest protoss of NA. That's failing at scouting
He had all the information he needed. He failed at control. Especially when he lost the first spine.
Control? All he needed was to build mass spines and its gg for hitman
He had 2 spines and lost them too easily. Also he failed to target the stalkers with lings.
dude he didn't scouted with 2nd overlord only and his 2nd spine got damaged to 20% health while it was positioning. basically he already lost at that point. Should he have drone scouted every base? with 3 full health spines in the front he would've beaten this easily.
i don't know what the fuck he was thinking, playing against the cheesiest player on the planet and not scouting. he deserved to lose 100%. thing is he was probably tilted as funk from the 1st game.
On August 28 2015 04:11 Ej_ wrote: this guy is pathetic lol
Elazer got the best opening though, should hold it if he doesn't tilt
Elazer needs to learn to scout
Tell me how did he failed at scouting?
Did you see a drone scout? This is a 4player map vs the cheesiest protoss of NA. That's failing at scouting
He had all the information he needed. He failed at control. Especially when he lost the first spine.
Control? All he needed was to build mass spines and its gg for hitman
He had 2 spines and lost them too easily. Also he failed to target the stalkers with lings.
dude he didn't scouted with 2nd overlord only and his 2nd spine got damaged to 20% health while it was positioning. basically he already lost at that point.
with 3 full health spines in the front he would've beaten this easily.
i don't know what the fuck he was thinking, playing against the cheesiest player on the planet and not scouting. he deserved to lose 100%. thing is he was probably tilted as funk from the 1st game.
On August 28 2015 04:23 RaFox17 wrote: It´s frustrating to see someone who only knows how to cheese to be "top-16" in Europe and NA. So many superior players are left out and guy like this gets in only because protoss is abusable as fuck.
No he is in because his opponent treated him like a standard player
if you can't beat a cheesy build you're not "better" at all
On August 28 2015 04:23 RaFox17 wrote: It´s frustrating to see someone who only knows how to cheese to be "top-16" in Europe and NA. So many superior players are left out and guy like this gets in only because protoss is abusable as fuck.
he got in because he gets to play the weaker qualies, not because of the race. With all due respect to non-Europeans, the actual "top-16" of WCS is Hydra, Polt, Jaedong, Stardust and 12 Europeans.
pretty sure the actual top 16 includes Hitman. I just checked liquipedia and it agrees
On August 28 2015 04:23 RaFox17 wrote: It´s frustrating to see someone who only knows how to cheese to be "top-16" in Europe and NA. So many superior players are left out and guy like this gets in only because protoss is abusable as fuck.
Now for maximum salt we need a group of Jaedong, Snute, elfi and Hitman with the last two making to the top-8.
On August 28 2015 04:23 RaFox17 wrote: It´s frustrating to see someone who only knows how to cheese to be "top-16" in Europe and NA. So many superior players are left out and guy like this gets in only because protoss is abusable as fuck.
Now for maximum salt we need a group of Jaedong, Snute, elfi and Hitman with the last two making to the top-8.
And then they have to face each other, the winner gets smashed by polt/hydra, and korea wins yet again.
On August 28 2015 04:23 RaFox17 wrote: It´s frustrating to see someone who only knows how to cheese to be "top-16" in Europe and NA. So many superior players are left out and guy like this gets in only because protoss is abusable as fuck.
he got in because he gets to play the weaker qualies, not because of the race. With all due respect to non-Europeans, the actual "top-16" of WCS is Hydra, Polt, Jaedong, Stardust and 12 Europeans.
pretty sure the actual top 16 includes Hitman. I just checked liquipedia and it agrees
He is top-16 but i still consider him to be a joke and successful only long as protoss is able to execute the great book of shit. I would respect him more if he even did some micro intensive all-ins.
On August 28 2015 04:23 RaFox17 wrote: It´s frustrating to see someone who only knows how to cheese to be "top-16" in Europe and NA. So many superior players are left out and guy like this gets in only because protoss is abusable as fuck.
Now for maximum salt we need a group of Jaedong, Snute, elfi and Hitman with the last two making to the top-8.
And then they have to face each other, the winner gets smashed by polt, and korea wins yet again.
I think that some of the foreigners can still take out Polt, but Hydra's a beast...
On August 28 2015 04:23 RaFox17 wrote: It´s frustrating to see someone who only knows how to cheese to be "top-16" in Europe and NA. So many superior players are left out and guy like this gets in only because protoss is abusable as fuck.
he got in because he gets to play the weaker qualies, not because of the race. With all due respect to non-Europeans, the actual "top-16" of WCS is Hydra, Polt, Jaedong, Stardust and 12 Europeans.
pretty sure the actual top 16 includes Hitman. I just checked liquipedia and it agrees
He is top-16 but i still consider him to be a joke and successful only long as protoss is able to execute the great book of shit. I would respect him more if he even did some micro intensive all-ins.
But knowing his opponent was Protoss, Elazer also had some means of playing through the last two games.
it was actually a really really good game if you aren't salty about the build. it was really close. elazer messed up but those mistakes are easy to make against a cheese under pressure, and hitman microed very well. with average micro he loses
On August 28 2015 04:23 RaFox17 wrote: It´s frustrating to see someone who only knows how to cheese to be "top-16" in Europe and NA. So many superior players are left out and guy like this gets in only because protoss is abusable as fuck.
Now for maximum salt we need a group of Jaedong, Snute, elfi and Hitman with the last two making to the top-8.
On August 28 2015 04:23 RaFox17 wrote: It´s frustrating to see someone who only knows how to cheese to be "top-16" in Europe and NA. So many superior players are left out and guy like this gets in only because protoss is abusable as fuck.
Now for maximum salt we need a group of Jaedong, Snute, elfi and Hitman with the last two making to the top-8.
And then they have to face each other, the winner gets smashed by polt, and korea wins yet again.
I think that some of the foreigners can still take out Polt, but Hydra's a beast...
Polt seems more vulnerable than he has in the past, ForGG as well.
On August 28 2015 04:29 KingAlphard wrote: I don't think I want to play sc2 anymore after this series. Sorry but if this game worked properly hitman wouldn't even qualify for challenger.
The game is not about a executing your offensive strategy properly? I'm pretty sure the idea here is to kill all the structures not race to get 70 workers and mine out the map.
On August 28 2015 04:29 KingAlphard wrote: I don't think I want to play sc2 anymore after this series. Sorry but if this game worked properly hitman wouldn't even qualify for challenger.
On August 28 2015 04:23 RaFox17 wrote: It´s frustrating to see someone who only knows how to cheese to be "top-16" in Europe and NA. So many superior players are left out and guy like this gets in only because protoss is abusable as fuck.
he got in because he gets to play the weaker qualies, not because of the race. With all due respect to non-Europeans, the actual "top-16" of WCS is Hydra, Polt, Jaedong, Stardust and 12 Europeans.
pretty sure the actual top 16 includes Hitman. I just checked liquipedia and it agrees
He is top-16 but i still consider him to be a joke and successful only long as protoss is able to execute the great book of shit. I would respect him more if he even did some micro intensive all-ins.
if you didn't see him block lings with zealots and retarget perfectly over and over you're just salty lol
On August 28 2015 04:23 RaFox17 wrote: It´s frustrating to see someone who only knows how to cheese to be "top-16" in Europe and NA. So many superior players are left out and guy like this gets in only because protoss is abusable as fuck.
he got in because he gets to play the weaker qualies, not because of the race. With all due respect to non-Europeans, the actual "top-16" of WCS is Hydra, Polt, Jaedong, Stardust and 12 Europeans.
pretty sure the actual top 16 includes Hitman. I just checked liquipedia and it agrees
He is top-16 but i still consider him to be a joke and successful only long as protoss is able to execute the great book of shit. I would respect him more if he even did some micro intensive all-ins.
Idk I was impressed with his micro today (minus that immortal blunder).
On August 28 2015 04:29 KingAlphard wrote: I don't think I want to play sc2 anymore after this series. Sorry but if this game worked properly hitman wouldn't even qualify for challenger.
The game is not about a executing your offensive strategy properly? I'm pretty sure the idea here is to kill all the structures not race to get 70 workers and mine out the map.
It´s more about the fact that theres one race that allows you to succeed with only early game bullshit. There´s no successful pure cheese zerg´s or terrans anywhere near the top.
On August 28 2015 04:29 KingAlphard wrote: I don't think I want to play sc2 anymore after this series. Sorry but if this game worked properly hitman wouldn't even qualify for challenger.
You sound like you have a very boring ideal interpretation of Starcraft
On August 28 2015 04:29 KingAlphard wrote: I don't think I want to play sc2 anymore after this series. Sorry but if this game worked properly hitman wouldn't even qualify for challenger.
On August 28 2015 04:29 brickrd wrote: it was actually a really really good game if you aren't salty about the build. it was really close. elazer messed up but those mistakes are easy to make against a cheese under pressure, and hitman microed very well. with average micro he loses
I think it was a great series, it shows that "creativity" (builds outside the meta) still works and these types of games showcase who can better under extreme pressure. There's a reason 1 base 3 gate allins havent been seen since 2010/2011.
Not every PvZ has to be french style mass sentry into third base into blink stalker vs roach hydra into viper.
On August 28 2015 04:29 KingAlphard wrote: I don't think I want to play sc2 anymore after this series. Sorry but if this game worked properly hitman wouldn't even qualify for challenger.
The game is not about a executing your offensive strategy properly? I'm pretty sure the idea here is to kill all the structures not race to get 70 workers and mine out the map.
It´s more about the fact that theres one race that allows you to succeed with only early game bullshit. There´s no successful pure cheese zerg´s or terrans anywhere near the top.
On August 28 2015 04:29 KingAlphard wrote: I don't think I want to play sc2 anymore after this series. Sorry but if this game worked properly hitman wouldn't even qualify for challenger.
The game is not about a executing your offensive strategy properly? I'm pretty sure the idea here is to kill all the structures not race to get 70 workers and mine out the map.
It´s more about the fact that theres one race that allows you to succeed with only early game bullshit. There´s no successful pure cheese zerg´s or terrans anywhere near the top.
hitman isn't anywhere near the top
Top-16 is not bad. There´s just so man things that i hate in the design of protoss. Maybe LotV will save us all.
cant understand people. Elazor lost the games not due to Hitman playing something OP, Elazor lost it due to playing very bad against a player that has shown he cheeses.
On August 28 2015 04:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: How did the last set turn out? I missed it due to a meeting, can't believe it already ended.
G1 was a proxy gate/forge ala elfi, and Hitman got 2 cannons up and cancelled the natural, and was just able to win from there. (Elazer looked devastated).
G2 was a 10 gate into 4 gate and Elazer poorly defended and lost.
On August 28 2015 04:30 Tiaraju9 wrote: Next year Blizzard need to readjust the spots on challenger league. Europe needs more spots.
Ptitdrogo not in Premier. Hitman makes ro16.
Ptitdrogo needs to step up his game. Didn't he say he had midmaster level PvP?
He beat Lilbow 3-1 three days ago, even if Lilbow's PvP is far from top notch.
He seems obviously a far more accomplished player than Hitman to me. Coin flipping every game and then showing his best micro to make it works is legit sure, but come one. I don't know, I am probably just a protoss bullshit hater.
On August 28 2015 04:29 KingAlphard wrote: I don't think I want to play sc2 anymore after this series. Sorry but if this game worked properly hitman wouldn't even qualify for challenger.
The game is not about a executing your offensive strategy properly? I'm pretty sure the idea here is to kill all the structures not race to get 70 workers and mine out the map.
It´s more about the fact that theres one race that allows you to succeed with only early game bullshit. There´s no successful pure cheese zerg´s or terrans anywhere near the top.
Terrans have been winning finals with 2 raxes since 2010. IMMVP was famous for using 2 raxes or 1 base scv allins on the last game of a finals.
Zerg.. well.. Zerg is zerg haha.
But honestly, HItman wouldnt have won against Life or Hydra so its not like better players dont beat worse players. And its not like Elazer played perfect and lost.
On August 28 2015 04:29 KingAlphard wrote: I don't think I want to play sc2 anymore after this series. Sorry but if this game worked properly hitman wouldn't even qualify for challenger.
The game is not about a executing your offensive strategy properly? I'm pretty sure the idea here is to kill all the structures not race to get 70 workers and mine out the map.
It´s more about the fact that theres one race that allows you to succeed with only early game bullshit. There´s no successful pure cheese zerg´s or terrans anywhere near the top.
hitman isn't anywhere near the top
Top-16 is not bad. There´s just so man things that i hate in the design of protoss. Maybe LotV will save us all.
being in the same bracket doesn't put you on the same level
if hitman weren't doing builds like this skillfully they wouldn't work. there's a reason pros don't use those builds anymore
On August 28 2015 04:33 kaykoose wrote: It's dumb that people think there is a "right" way to play...
the Artosis/Idra mentality
There is a difference between thinking there is a right way to play and thinking that one race has idiotic mechanics that allow for some really coinflippy plays.
On August 28 2015 04:29 KingAlphard wrote: I don't think I want to play sc2 anymore after this series. Sorry but if this game worked properly hitman wouldn't even qualify for challenger.
The game is not about a executing your offensive strategy properly? I'm pretty sure the idea here is to kill all the structures not race to get 70 workers and mine out the map.
It´s more about the fact that theres one race that allows you to succeed with only early game bullshit. There´s no successful pure cheese zerg´s or terrans anywhere near the top.
Zerg.. well.. Zerg is zerg haha.
Are we pretending like roach/bane all-ins never existed? Zerg has strong cheese as well.
On August 28 2015 04:29 KingAlphard wrote: I don't think I want to play sc2 anymore after this series. Sorry but if this game worked properly hitman wouldn't even qualify for challenger.
The game is not about a executing your offensive strategy properly? I'm pretty sure the idea here is to kill all the structures not race to get 70 workers and mine out the map.
It´s more about the fact that theres one race that allows you to succeed with only early game bullshit. There´s no successful pure cheese zerg´s or terrans anywhere near the top.
Essentially that's why I wouldn't have offered the handshake to Elazer: he was probably taking it poorly after losing because of something he didn't do well.
On August 28 2015 04:33 kaykoose wrote: It's dumb that people think there is a "right" way to play...
the Artosis/Idra mentality
The "I lost because you don't know how to play". I love it.
i tuned into idras stream once ever and i immediately saw him type, verbatim:
"the only reason you're winning is because you're doing something that's bad and i thought you would do something a good player would do"
Jokes aside, there is a lot of truth in that.
Yes, but doing something bad means that theres a weakness to that bad thing you're doing. Thats why its bad. Its the better player's fault for not scouting and exploiting it. How can they think they're the better player if they don't even react?
You watch Life (or MC or Parting) and you see how they jumps at weakness at a moments time. Idra could never be top tier because he was always held back by his rigid style and lack of flexibility.
On August 28 2015 04:33 kaykoose wrote: It's dumb that people think there is a "right" way to play...
the Artosis/Idra mentality
The "I lost because you don't know how to play". I love it.
i tuned into idras stream once ever and i immediately saw him type, verbatim:
"the only reason you're winning is because you're doing something that's bad and i thought you would do something a good player would do"
Jokes aside, there is a lot of truth in that.
There is absolutely no truth. If you are good at SC you are aware you are playing with limited information and you are trying to fill in certain blanks. You need to be aware of where the blanks exist. Often times they are more important than what you know. If you fill in blanks and present them to yourself as a certainty that is a poor mindset. What you do NOT know is often times more important than what you DO know. IdrA's issue was constantly thinking he was playing with a full picture of the game state at all points in time. But you are not. When he read the situation correctly yes he was a very good mechanical player who could defeat most. But he was far from the best at reading game state and interpreting the situation accurately which was ultimately his downfall. Worst part is he didn't realize that was a major problem.
On August 28 2015 04:41 JabuSeika wrote: America loves a good underdog story.
Hitman probably made a lot of fans today.
And a lot of salt, so I'm also pretty satisfied.
Seriously salty. I seldom see so much hate on the big book of Protoss BS, but one NA Ladder hero shows he's done his reading, and we get bogged down in, shoulds, and doesn't deserves.
On August 28 2015 04:29 KingAlphard wrote: I don't think I want to play sc2 anymore after this series. Sorry but if this game worked properly hitman wouldn't even qualify for challenger.
The game is not about a executing your offensive strategy properly? I'm pretty sure the idea here is to kill all the structures not race to get 70 workers and mine out the map.
It´s more about the fact that theres one race that allows you to succeed with only early game bullshit. There´s no successful pure cheese zerg´s or terrans anywhere near the top.
On August 28 2015 04:42 rotta wrote: So sad about China, I'm pretty sure iA's record will be better than the others' combined. XiGua is kind of like their Sen, consistently inconsistent.
I'm really not, hopefully this brutal rout will teach them to improve for next time. Also at least Sen won a premier tournament.
On August 28 2015 04:29 KingAlphard wrote: I don't think I want to play sc2 anymore after this series. Sorry but if this game worked properly hitman wouldn't even qualify for challenger.
The game is not about a executing your offensive strategy properly? I'm pretty sure the idea here is to kill all the structures not race to get 70 workers and mine out the map.
It´s more about the fact that theres one race that allows you to succeed with only early game bullshit. There´s no successful pure cheese zerg´s or terrans anywhere near the top.
Zerg.. well.. Zerg is zerg haha.
Are we pretending like roach/bane all-ins never existed? Zerg has strong cheese as well.
the funny thing is succeeding with cheese is actually much MORE impressive when you're a known cheeser. hitman executes incredibly well to play through his opponent's defensive mindset and still win
On August 28 2015 04:29 KingAlphard wrote: I don't think I want to play sc2 anymore after this series. Sorry but if this game worked properly hitman wouldn't even qualify for challenger.
The game is not about a executing your offensive strategy properly? I'm pretty sure the idea here is to kill all the structures not race to get 70 workers and mine out the map.
It´s more about the fact that theres one race that allows you to succeed with only early game bullshit. There´s no successful pure cheese zerg´s or terrans anywhere near the top.
Yeah, that one game is an example of Mvp's entire playstyle.
It wasn't presented as an example of Mvp's playstyle. It was presented to counter the argument that only one race allows you to succeed with early game bullshit
On August 28 2015 04:33 kaykoose wrote: It's dumb that people think there is a "right" way to play...
the Artosis/Idra mentality
The "I lost because you don't know how to play". I love it.
i tuned into idras stream once ever and i immediately saw him type, verbatim:
"the only reason you're winning is because you're doing something that's bad and i thought you would do something a good player would do"
Jokes aside, there is a lot of truth in that.
There is absolutely no truth. If you are good at SC you are aware you are playing with limited information and you are trying to fill in certain blanks. You need to be aware of where the blanks exist. Often times they are more important than what you know. If you fill in blanks and present them to yourself as a certainty that is a poor mindset. What you do NOT know is often times more important than what you DO know. IdrA's issue was constantly thinking he was playing with a full picture of the game state at all points in time. But you are not. When he read the situation correctly yes he was a very good mechanical player who could defeat most. But he was far from the best at reading game state and interpreting the situation accurately which was ultimately his downfall. Worst part is he didn't realize that was a major problem.
Idra thought it too much, but there definitely is a fair chance of many games on ladder being lost at the highest level simply because your opponent did something stupid and threw your read off. ZvZ, opponent forgot an overlord and his ling flood is late. You know the proper timing for a ling flood and just go into drones with minimal defense because there was no indication. Ling flood comes at a late and bad timing and voila, you just got autismed
On August 28 2015 04:29 KingAlphard wrote: I don't think I want to play sc2 anymore after this series. Sorry but if this game worked properly hitman wouldn't even qualify for challenger.
The game is not about a executing your offensive strategy properly? I'm pretty sure the idea here is to kill all the structures not race to get 70 workers and mine out the map.
It´s more about the fact that theres one race that allows you to succeed with only early game bullshit. There´s no successful pure cheese zerg´s or terrans anywhere near the top.
Yeah, that one game is an example of Mvp's entire playstyle.
It wasn't presented as an example of Mvp's playstyle. It was presented to counter the argument that only one race allows you to succeed with early game bullshit
I guess the key part would be consistently beating "better" opponents and actually kinda making a career out of it
On August 28 2015 04:33 kaykoose wrote: It's dumb that people think there is a "right" way to play...
the Artosis/Idra mentality
The "I lost because you don't know how to play". I love it.
i tuned into idras stream once ever and i immediately saw him type, verbatim:
"the only reason you're winning is because you're doing something that's bad and i thought you would do something a good player would do"
Jokes aside, there is a lot of truth in that.
There is absolutely no truth. If you are good at SC you are aware you are playing with limited information and you are trying to fill in certain blanks. You need to be aware of where the blanks exist. Often times they are more important than what you know. If you fill in blanks and present them to yourself as a certainty that is a poor mindset. What you do NOT know is often times more important than what you DO know. IdrA's issue was constantly thinking he was playing with a full picture of the game state at all points in time. But you are not. When he read the situation correctly yes he was a very good mechanical player who could defeat most. But he was far from the best at reading game state and interpreting the situation accurately which was ultimately his downfall. Worst part is he didn't realize that was a major problem.
Idra thought it too much, but there definitely is a fair chance of many games on ladder being lost at the highest level simply because your opponent did something stupid and threw your read off. ZvZ, opponent forgot an overlord and his ling flood is late. You know the proper timing for a ling flood and just go into drones with minimal defense because there was no indication. Ling flood comes at a late and bad timing and voila, you just got autismed
there's no proper timing for a ling flood. many players bank lings and do them later specifically to mindgame, and it works. that's why you check drone counts with ling pokes and play safe unless you want to die to attacks
On August 28 2015 04:33 kaykoose wrote: It's dumb that people think there is a "right" way to play...
the Artosis/Idra mentality
The "I lost because you don't know how to play". I love it.
i tuned into idras stream once ever and i immediately saw him type, verbatim:
"the only reason you're winning is because you're doing something that's bad and i thought you would do something a good player would do"
Jokes aside, there is a lot of truth in that.
There is absolutely no truth. If you are good at SC you are aware you are playing with limited information and you are trying to fill in certain blanks. You need to be aware of where the blanks exist. Often times they are more important than what you know. If you fill in blanks and present them to yourself as a certainty that is a poor mindset. What you do NOT know is often times more important than what you DO know. IdrA's issue was constantly thinking he was playing with a full picture of the game state at all points in time. But you are not. When he read the situation correctly yes he was a very good mechanical player who could defeat most. But he was far from the best at reading game state and interpreting the situation accurately which was ultimately his downfall. Worst part is he didn't realize that was a major problem.
Idra thought it too much, but there definitely is a fair chance of many games on ladder being lost at the highest level simply because your opponent did something stupid and threw your read off. ZvZ, opponent forgot an overlord and his ling flood is late. You know the proper timing for a ling flood and just go into drones with minimal defense because there was no indication. Ling flood comes at a late and bad timing and voila, you just got autismed
there's no proper timing for a ling flood. many players bank lings and do them later specifically to mindgame, and it works. that's why you check drone counts with ling pokes and play safe unless you want to die to attacks
Yeah I guess, was just the first type of example that came to mind. Either way, shit like that does happen, and plenty more players have framed it like that besides Idra
On August 28 2015 04:33 kaykoose wrote: It's dumb that people think there is a "right" way to play...
the Artosis/Idra mentality
The "I lost because you don't know how to play". I love it.
i tuned into idras stream once ever and i immediately saw him type, verbatim:
"the only reason you're winning is because you're doing something that's bad and i thought you would do something a good player would do"
Jokes aside, there is a lot of truth in that.
There is absolutely no truth. If you are good at SC you are aware you are playing with limited information and you are trying to fill in certain blanks. You need to be aware of where the blanks exist. Often times they are more important than what you know. If you fill in blanks and present them to yourself as a certainty that is a poor mindset. What you do NOT know is often times more important than what you DO know. IdrA's issue was constantly thinking he was playing with a full picture of the game state at all points in time. But you are not. When he read the situation correctly yes he was a very good mechanical player who could defeat most. But he was far from the best at reading game state and interpreting the situation accurately which was ultimately his downfall. Worst part is he didn't realize that was a major problem.
Idra thought it too much, but there definitely is a fair chance of many games on ladder being lost at the highest level simply because your opponent did something stupid and threw your read off. ZvZ, opponent forgot an overlord and his ling flood is late. You know the proper timing for a ling flood and just go into drones with minimal defense because there was no indication. Ling flood comes at a late and bad timing and voila, you just got autismed
I feel if delayed timing attacks were an actual thing you'd probably see them more often. Yes it is true doing non-standard things on the ladder can get you wins but since they're coming later they are naturally weaker and rely only on your opponent not reading the situation properly. Which means your opponent messed up and lost. If you see larvae floating and a drone undersaturation the situation should be pretty clear. But if you can't see that information and try to fill in the blank with meta knowledge that is a blank you need to be aware you're filling in with limited information and may not be correct.
On August 28 2015 04:33 kaykoose wrote: It's dumb that people think there is a "right" way to play...
the Artosis/Idra mentality
The "I lost because you don't know how to play". I love it.
i tuned into idras stream once ever and i immediately saw him type, verbatim:
"the only reason you're winning is because you're doing something that's bad and i thought you would do something a good player would do"
Jokes aside, there is a lot of truth in that.
There is absolutely no truth. If you are good at SC you are aware you are playing with limited information and you are trying to fill in certain blanks. You need to be aware of where the blanks exist. Often times they are more important than what you know. If you fill in blanks and present them to yourself as a certainty that is a poor mindset. What you do NOT know is often times more important than what you DO know. IdrA's issue was constantly thinking he was playing with a full picture of the game state at all points in time. But you are not. When he read the situation correctly yes he was a very good mechanical player who could defeat most. But he was far from the best at reading game state and interpreting the situation accurately which was ultimately his downfall. Worst part is he didn't realize that was a major problem.
Idra thought it too much, but there definitely is a fair chance of many games on ladder being lost at the highest level simply because your opponent did something stupid and threw your read off. ZvZ, opponent forgot an overlord and his ling flood is late. You know the proper timing for a ling flood and just go into drones with minimal defense because there was no indication. Ling flood comes at a late and bad timing and voila, you just got autismed
there's no proper timing for a ling flood. many players bank lings and do them later specifically to mindgame, and it works. that's why you check drone counts with ling pokes and play safe unless you want to die to attacks
Yeah I guess, was just the first type of example that came to mind. Either way, shit like that does happen, and plenty more players have framed it like that besides Idra
it illustrates the counterpoint though. you have to be aware of potential kinks in your opponent's play that will throw you off, it's a huge part of tier 1 korean play. that's often how they gain advantages
On August 28 2015 04:29 KingAlphard wrote: I don't think I want to play sc2 anymore after this series. Sorry but if this game worked properly hitman wouldn't even qualify for challenger.
The game is not about a executing your offensive strategy properly? I'm pretty sure the idea here is to kill all the structures not race to get 70 workers and mine out the map.
It´s more about the fact that theres one race that allows you to succeed with only early game bullshit. There´s no successful pure cheese zerg´s or terrans anywhere near the top.
Yeah, that one game is an example of Mvp's entire playstyle.
It wasn't presented as an example of Mvp's playstyle. It was presented to counter the argument that only one race allows you to succeed with early game bullshit
Only race that allows you to succeed purely with early game bullshit.
On August 28 2015 04:42 rotta wrote: So sad about China, I'm pretty sure iA's record will be better than the others' combined. XiGua is kind of like their Sen, consistently inconsistent.
I seriously am not expecting improvements next year unless the up and comers made big break throughs and replace the status quos as WCS mainstay.
Honestly I don't know what to think about the result. I watched the last series on my phone in the subway, but from what I gathered Hitman managed to win with a gate + forge proxy and a 10 gate 4 gates. I find it hilarious but I can't help thinking you shouldn't be able to reach ro16 out of such builds... I couldn't watch the game with enough precision to know if Elazer fucked up his defences... But man, elfi and Hitman in the ro16... This is shameful, just shameful...
I hope MaNa gives me some reasons to believe Protoss can be played with elegance and respect tomorrow.
On August 28 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote: Honestly I don't know what to think about the result. I watched the last series on my phone in the subway, but from what I gathered Hitman managed to win with a gate + forge proxy and a 10 gate 4 gates. I find it hilarious but I can't help thinking you shouldn't be able to reach ro16 out of such builds... I couldn't watch the game with enough precision to know if Elazer fucked up his defences... But man, elfi and Hitman in the ro16... This is shameful, just shameful...
I hope MaNa gives me some reasons to believe Protoss can be played with elegance and respect tomorrow.
still waiting for someone to tell me how to play a video game with elegance and respect
On August 28 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote: Honestly I don't know what to think about the result. I watched the last series on my phone in the subway, but from what I gathered Hitman managed to win with a gate + forge proxy and a 10 gate 4 gates. I find it hilarious but I can't help thinking you shouldn't be able to reach ro16 out of such builds... I couldn't watch the game with enough precision to know if Elazer fucked up his defences... But man, elfi and Hitman in the ro16... This is shameful, just shameful...
I hope MaNa gives me some reasons to believe Protoss can be played with elegance and respect tomorrow.
Elazer fucked up his defenses alright. Watch the matches again and listen to what Pig is saying. If you make those mistakes then someone with Hitman's stalker control is going to walk all over you.
On August 28 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote: Honestly I don't know what to think about the result. I watched the last series on my phone in the subway, but from what I gathered Hitman managed to win with a gate + forge proxy and a 10 gate 4 gates. I find it hilarious but I can't help thinking you shouldn't be able to reach ro16 out of such builds... I couldn't watch the game with enough precision to know if Elazer fucked up his defences... But man, elfi and Hitman in the ro16... This is shameful, just shameful...
I hope MaNa gives me some reasons to believe Protoss can be played with elegance and respect tomorrow.
still waiting for someone to tell me how to play a video game with elegance and respect
On August 28 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote: Honestly I don't know what to think about the result. I watched the last series on my phone in the subway, but from what I gathered Hitman managed to win with a gate + forge proxy and a 10 gate 4 gates. I find it hilarious but I can't help thinking you shouldn't be able to reach ro16 out of such builds... I couldn't watch the game with enough precision to know if Elazer fucked up his defences... But man, elfi and Hitman in the ro16... This is shameful, just shameful...
I hope MaNa gives me some reasons to believe Protoss can be played with elegance and respect tomorrow.
still waiting for someone to tell me how to play a video game with elegance and respect
I know it sounds stupid... But watch Rain in 2012, watch Zest in 2014. Compare with Hitman or elfi play. Tell me if you don't see a difference (and it's not like Rain in 2012 and Zest in 2014 weren't winning things). It's probably something very personal but I have zero respect for people who win out of tricky / all-innish play and have low GM macro. Then again if you like it and think it's fine, so be it. It's a matter of taste and it's just a game after all.
To my mind : Mvp 2 raxes Squirtle and wins GSL closing out an epic varied series, that's totally awesome. Hitman 4 gates Elazer and gets in WCS ro16 where he'll get ridiculed, that's just depressing. Don't get me wrong, he does the best out of limited skill, and Elazer should just have played better because it's not even like the execution of the all-ins was great by any means (I wish Hitman had hit Snute today or he gets Hydra/Jaedong next round, he'll look silly), but I have the right to dislike it and think it's a very stupid and unchivalrous way to play.
On August 28 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote: Honestly I don't know what to think about the result. I watched the last series on my phone in the subway, but from what I gathered Hitman managed to win with a gate + forge proxy and a 10 gate 4 gates. I find it hilarious but I can't help thinking you shouldn't be able to reach ro16 out of such builds... I couldn't watch the game with enough precision to know if Elazer fucked up his defences... But man, elfi and Hitman in the ro16... This is shameful, just shameful...
I hope MaNa gives me some reasons to believe Protoss can be played with elegance and respect tomorrow.
(except for the fact that he didn't really try in challenger) what is shameful about elfi being in the ro16 when he simply beat starbuck and kelazhur in straight up macro games? I can kind of get behind hitman in ro16 being shameful even though I really like his play, you shouldn't be able to get this far with cheese alone. But the cheeses he did aren't even that difficult to defend and knowing him as a cheesy player should be enough to prepare for that.
Also there's no elegance or respect in a competitive starcraft 2 game. It's simply win or lose, nothing else.
On August 28 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote: Honestly I don't know what to think about the result. I watched the last series on my phone in the subway, but from what I gathered Hitman managed to win with a gate + forge proxy and a 10 gate 4 gates. I find it hilarious but I can't help thinking you shouldn't be able to reach ro16 out of such builds... I couldn't watch the game with enough precision to know if Elazer fucked up his defences... But man, elfi and Hitman in the ro16... This is shameful, just shameful...
I hope MaNa gives me some reasons to believe Protoss can be played with elegance and respect tomorrow.
Elazer fucked up his defenses alright. Watch the matches again and listen to what Pig is saying. If you make those mistakes then someone with Hitman's stalker control is going to walk all over you.
Just like Kelazhur fucked up his drops and harass. When you give elfi time, don't destroy the observers and make other mistakes you will lose 21min and 17min games against elfi straight up no cheese.
Elfi went standard macro six times in his seven ro32 games, with one proxy gate+forge on Coda like Hitman, but Hydra played much better than Elazer did in that situation.
On August 28 2015 08:38 mderg wrote: you shouldn't be able to get this far with cheese alone.
He won his challenger match with macro games. I think he's being really smart. People expect him to cheese his challenger match - he plays macro. People expect him to macro his group - he cheeses.
On August 28 2015 08:38 mderg wrote: you shouldn't be able to get this far with cheese alone.
He won his challenger match with macro games. I think he's being really smart. People expect him to cheese his challenger match - he plays macro. People expect him to macro his group - he cheeses.
He played macro in challenger? Gotta watch those vod's
On August 28 2015 08:38 mderg wrote: you shouldn't be able to get this far with cheese alone.
He won his challenger match with macro games. I think he's being really smart. People expect him to cheese his challenger match - he plays macro. People expect him to macro his group - he cheeses.
With a long history of cheese, one bo5 macro series 3-2 win against Xenocider really shouldn't trick people thinking he will macro and cheese isn't likely. Even watching the vods of the show today he himself says he's pretty solid early to mid-game, but late game he falls apart so he prefers to end his games before that.
When you have a full foreigner league, people go full foreigner
For real: Hitman did what has to be done: Winning. He did not cheese his way into Ro16, Elazer just let him go there without resistance, he fucked it up like a player who shouldnt be in Ro32. Like Bunny against Starbuck. What was in Elazers brain up. "well he cheesed me allways in the first set and I won, now he will definitly not cheese, so lets not dronescout and fail the overloards. And then dont pump enough units."
I cant understand that hate against players like elfi or hitman. When you think these players have a "low GM macro", you can easy go super safe and risk to be behind when the game develops into the macro game, because your macro is "way better" and you are "the better player". But hey, a real starcraft II game starts after the first player has over 70 workers, right?
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