EPT[WCS] Ro32 Group G - Season 3 2015 - Page 48
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Cluster__
United States328 Posts
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On August 28 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote: Honestly I don't know what to think about the result. I watched the last series on my phone in the subway, but from what I gathered Hitman managed to win with a gate + forge proxy and a 10 gate 4 gates. I find it hilarious but I can't help thinking you shouldn't be able to reach ro16 out of such builds... I couldn't watch the game with enough precision to know if Elazer fucked up his defences... But man, elfi and Hitman in the ro16... This is shameful, just shameful... I hope MaNa gives me some reasons to believe Protoss can be played with elegance and respect tomorrow. still waiting for someone to tell me how to play a video game with elegance and respect | ||
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
On August 28 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote: Honestly I don't know what to think about the result. I watched the last series on my phone in the subway, but from what I gathered Hitman managed to win with a gate + forge proxy and a 10 gate 4 gates. I find it hilarious but I can't help thinking you shouldn't be able to reach ro16 out of such builds... I couldn't watch the game with enough precision to know if Elazer fucked up his defences... But man, elfi and Hitman in the ro16... This is shameful, just shameful... I hope MaNa gives me some reasons to believe Protoss can be played with elegance and respect tomorrow. Elazer fucked up his defenses alright. Watch the matches again and listen to what Pig is saying. If you make those mistakes then someone with Hitman's stalker control is going to walk all over you. | ||
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kaykoose
United States2302 Posts
On August 28 2015 06:47 KingofdaHipHop wrote: still waiting for someone to tell me how to play a video game with elegance and respect Lol | ||
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iSometric
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On August 28 2015 06:47 KingofdaHipHop wrote: still waiting for someone to tell me how to play a video game with elegance and respect I know it sounds stupid... But watch Rain in 2012, watch Zest in 2014. Compare with Hitman or elfi play. Tell me if you don't see a difference (and it's not like Rain in 2012 and Zest in 2014 weren't winning things). It's probably something very personal but I have zero respect for people who win out of tricky / all-innish play and have low GM macro. Then again if you like it and think it's fine, so be it. It's a matter of taste and it's just a game after all. To my mind : Mvp 2 raxes Squirtle and wins GSL closing out an epic varied series, that's totally awesome. Hitman 4 gates Elazer and gets in WCS ro16 where he'll get ridiculed, that's just depressing. Don't get me wrong, he does the best out of limited skill, and Elazer should just have played better because it's not even like the execution of the all-ins was great by any means (I wish Hitman had hit Snute today or he gets Hydra/Jaedong next round, he'll look silly), but I have the right to dislike it and think it's a very stupid and unchivalrous way to play. | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On August 28 2015 06:26 [PkF] Wire wrote: Honestly I don't know what to think about the result. I watched the last series on my phone in the subway, but from what I gathered Hitman managed to win with a gate + forge proxy and a 10 gate 4 gates. I find it hilarious but I can't help thinking you shouldn't be able to reach ro16 out of such builds... I couldn't watch the game with enough precision to know if Elazer fucked up his defences... But man, elfi and Hitman in the ro16... This is shameful, just shameful... I hope MaNa gives me some reasons to believe Protoss can be played with elegance and respect tomorrow. (except for the fact that he didn't really try in challenger) what is shameful about elfi being in the ro16 when he simply beat starbuck and kelazhur in straight up macro games? I can kind of get behind hitman in ro16 being shameful even though I really like his play, you shouldn't be able to get this far with cheese alone. But the cheeses he did aren't even that difficult to defend and knowing him as a cheesy player should be enough to prepare for that. Also there's no elegance or respect in a competitive starcraft 2 game. It's simply win or lose, nothing else. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 28 2015 06:55 b0rt_ wrote: Elazer fucked up his defenses alright. Watch the matches again and listen to what Pig is saying. If you make those mistakes then someone with Hitman's stalker control is going to walk all over you. Just like Kelazhur fucked up his drops and harass. When you give elfi time, don't destroy the observers and make other mistakes you will lose 21min and 17min games against elfi straight up no cheese. Elfi went standard macro six times in his seven ro32 games, with one proxy gate+forge on Coda like Hitman, but Hydra played much better than Elazer did in that situation. #elfididnothingwrong | ||
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
On August 28 2015 08:38 mderg wrote: you shouldn't be able to get this far with cheese alone. He won his challenger match with macro games. I think he's being really smart. People expect him to cheese his challenger match - he plays macro. People expect him to macro his group - he cheeses. | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On August 28 2015 08:43 hitpoint wrote: He won his challenger match with macro games. I think he's being really smart. People expect him to cheese his challenger match - he plays macro. People expect him to macro his group - he cheeses. He played macro in challenger? Gotta watch those vod's | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 28 2015 08:43 hitpoint wrote: He won his challenger match with macro games. I think he's being really smart. People expect him to cheese his challenger match - he plays macro. People expect him to macro his group - he cheeses. With a long history of cheese, one bo5 macro series 3-2 win against Xenocider really shouldn't trick people thinking he will macro and cheese isn't likely. Even watching the vods of the show today he himself says he's pretty solid early to mid-game, but late game he falls apart so he prefers to end his games before that. | ||
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duckk
United States622 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On August 28 2015 10:19 mierin wrote: Wait am I retarded or was Hitman a Zerg? I remember MrBitter going apeshit over him multiple times. Hitman can refer to: The American Protoss player Hitman The Korean Zerg player hitmaN http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Hitman | ||
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geokilla
Canada8229 Posts
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
 For real: Hitman did what has to be done: Winning. He did not cheese his way into Ro16, Elazer just let him go there without resistance, he fucked it up like a player who shouldnt be in Ro32. Like Bunny against Starbuck. What was in Elazers brain up. "well he cheesed me allways in the first set and I won, now he will definitly not cheese, so lets not dronescout and fail the overloards. And then dont pump enough units." I cant understand that hate against players like elfi or hitman. When you think these players have a "low GM macro", you can easy go super safe and risk to be behind when the game develops into the macro game, because your macro is "way better" and you are "the better player". But hey, a real starcraft II game starts after the first player has over 70 workers, right? | ||
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