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It's actually a proven point, that if someone would have literally perfect micro, that protoss would have been unbeatable because of FF.
I'll link the article if I can find it
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On March 30 2015 03:17 Topin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:13 Chexx wrote:
I am really curious why ForceFields/Sentries havent been touched in ages. Basically unlimited Terrain modifier is op as shit Blizzard thinks they're good game design because they can "be baited out and forces micro", even though they are by design anti-micro and you can't bait out 10 sentries worth of FFs. "but you can micro around it" or something like that by DK
To be honest zerg can somewhat counter this by getting burrow roach, but then getting burrow roach ling against immortal stalker is suicide. Roaches gonna get wrecked by immortals, lings will be stuck behind forcefields.
Terran can use medivac, but that also means it comes with a risk of losing a medivac full of units by a forward blink.
Conclusion : Remove forcefield, buff gateway units. I rather see 10x more of herO's blink play or sOs's creative builds than see soul train on every PvZ. Now that I think of it ravagers might not be that useful, because forcefields are usually used on the zerg's army, not on protoss's and you wouldn't want to waste shots firing on your own army just to get rid of forcefields.
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On March 30 2015 03:19 Charoisaur wrote:
disgusting protoss has an ability that scales so well with skill that the better player has a huge advantage.
pls fix blizzard i should be allowed to beat players that are better than me.
no-one's annoyed by it being a skillful spell, people are annoyed by there being no counter play aside from going burrow roaches if you're ahead
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On March 30 2015 03:17 Topin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:13 Chexx wrote:
I am really curious why ForceFields/Sentries havent been touched in ages. Basically unlimited Terrain modifier is op as shit Blizzard thinks they're good game design because they can "be baited out and forces micro", even though they are by design anti-micro and you can't bait out 10 sentries worth of FFs. "but you can micro around it" or something like that by DK
forcefields scale extremely well with skill, just compare partings FFs to that of a random korean pro and those of a random korean pro to a foreigner.
The only abilitys that let you show your skill as much as FFs are blink micro and marine splitting
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On March 30 2015 03:17 Psychonian wrote:Poll: Forcefields?Broken (31) 55% Fine as they are (16) 29% Fine as they are, but the map pool makes them too abusable (5) 9% Will be fine after Ravagers come (4) 7% 56 total votes Your vote: Forcefields? (Vote): Broken
(Vote): Will be fine after Ravagers come
(Vote): Fine as they are
(Vote): Fine as they are, but the map pool makes them too abusable
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On March 30 2015 03:17 Psychonian wrote:Poll: Forcefields?Broken (31) 55% Fine as they are (16) 29% Fine as they are, but the map pool makes them too abusable (5) 9% Will be fine after Ravagers come (4) 7% 56 total votes Your vote: Forcefields? (Vote): Broken
(Vote): Will be fine after Ravagers come
(Vote): Fine as they are
(Vote): Fine as they are, but the map pool makes them too abusable
Parting is in the thread!? :o
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On March 30 2015 03:21 Chexx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:17 Topin wrote:On March 30 2015 03:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:13 Chexx wrote:
I am really curious why ForceFields/Sentries havent been touched in ages. Basically unlimited Terrain modifier is op as shit Blizzard thinks they're good game design because they can "be baited out and forces micro", even though they are by design anti-micro and you can't bait out 10 sentries worth of FFs. "but you can micro around it" or something like that by DK Full david kim quote "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done." - DK, 2014 haha cant tell if he is serious or not
Hold on, is that a real DK quote ? I thought you were trying to emulate a DK quote.
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On March 30 2015 03:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:17 Topin wrote:On March 30 2015 03:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:13 Chexx wrote:
I am really curious why ForceFields/Sentries havent been touched in ages. Basically unlimited Terrain modifier is op as shit Blizzard thinks they're good game design because they can "be baited out and forces micro", even though they are by design anti-micro and you can't bait out 10 sentries worth of FFs. "but you can micro around it" or something like that by DK Full david kim quote "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done." - DK, 2014
I really want to know how much David Kim gets paid to do absolutely nothing but say how the game is perfectly balanced. There hasn't been a single balance patch in almost 8 months and this guy probably gets paid more than anyone in this thread lol
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On March 30 2015 03:22 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:17 Psychonian wrote:Poll: Forcefields?Broken (31) 55% Fine as they are (16) 29% Fine as they are, but the map pool makes them too abusable (5) 9% Will be fine after Ravagers come (4) 7% 56 total votes Your vote: Forcefields? (Vote): Broken
(Vote): Will be fine after Ravagers come
(Vote): Fine as they are
(Vote): Fine as they are, but the map pool makes them too abusable
Parting is in the thread!? :o
that was probably Deathstar 
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On March 30 2015 03:22 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:17 Topin wrote:On March 30 2015 03:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:13 Chexx wrote:
I am really curious why ForceFields/Sentries havent been touched in ages. Basically unlimited Terrain modifier is op as shit Blizzard thinks they're good game design because they can "be baited out and forces micro", even though they are by design anti-micro and you can't bait out 10 sentries worth of FFs. "but you can micro around it" or something like that by DK Full david kim quote "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done." - DK, 2014 I really want to know how much David Kim gets paid to do absolutely nothing but say how the game is perfectly balanced. There hasn't been a single balance patch in almost 8 months and this guy probably gets paid more than anyone in this thread lol
why would you want a balance patch when all 3 races are doing about the same? it's not league of legends
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On March 30 2015 03:21 Chexx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:17 Topin wrote:On March 30 2015 03:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:13 Chexx wrote:
I am really curious why ForceFields/Sentries havent been touched in ages. Basically unlimited Terrain modifier is op as shit Blizzard thinks they're good game design because they can "be baited out and forces micro", even though they are by design anti-micro and you can't bait out 10 sentries worth of FFs. "but you can micro around it" or something like that by DK Full david kim quote "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done." - DK, 2014 haha cant tell if he is serious or not
He's 100% serious. Blizzard actually thinks forcefields are brilliant game design. Even though they've been proven wrong over and over again, they like em so fuck
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On March 30 2015 03:22 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:17 Topin wrote:On March 30 2015 03:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:13 Chexx wrote:
I am really curious why ForceFields/Sentries havent been touched in ages. Basically unlimited Terrain modifier is op as shit Blizzard thinks they're good game design because they can "be baited out and forces micro", even though they are by design anti-micro and you can't bait out 10 sentries worth of FFs. "but you can micro around it" or something like that by DK Full david kim quote "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done." - DK, 2014 I really want to know how much David Kim gets paid to do absolutely nothing but say how the game is perfectly balanced. There hasn't been a single balance patch in almost 8 months and this guy probably gets paid more than anyone in this thread lol
he has the sickest job ever blizzard pays him to just dick around and convince people to buy the third expansion at which point they can drop the game and carry on making heroes of the shit , a Moba which we really need more of.
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This game wasn't an issue with forcefield. Hydra had no army vs an all in rofl. He deserved to get smashed
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On March 30 2015 03:23 Deathstar wrote:
This game wasn't an issue with forcefield. Hydra had no army vs an all in rofl. He deserved to get smashed
...and no-one is talking about the last game
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On March 30 2015 03:21 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:19 Charoisaur wrote:
disgusting protoss has an ability that scales so well with skill that the better player has a huge advantage.
pls fix blizzard i should be allowed to beat players that are better than me. no-one's annoyed by it being a skillful spell, people are annoyed by there being no counter play aside from going burrow roaches if you're ahead
"We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done."
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On March 30 2015 03:23 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:22 Solar424 wrote:On March 30 2015 03:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:17 Topin wrote:On March 30 2015 03:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:13 Chexx wrote:
I am really curious why ForceFields/Sentries havent been touched in ages. Basically unlimited Terrain modifier is op as shit Blizzard thinks they're good game design because they can "be baited out and forces micro", even though they are by design anti-micro and you can't bait out 10 sentries worth of FFs. "but you can micro around it" or something like that by DK Full david kim quote "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done." - DK, 2014 I really want to know how much David Kim gets paid to do absolutely nothing but say how the game is perfectly balanced. There hasn't been a single balance patch in almost 8 months and this guy probably gets paid more than anyone in this thread lol why would you want a balance patch when all 3 races are doing about the same? it's not league of legends
When there isn't a single patch for this long the game just becomes so stale it almost isn't worth watching/playing. There are just too many hard counters in SC2 for the game to be interesting without patching like BW
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the question is.. will we have another gfinity event?
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i get that everybody is angry and shit because they care about this game and all, but negativity really kills my vibe D: maybe i'm too naive but i just like to think about all the positive things
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On March 30 2015 03:25 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:23 Ej_ wrote:On March 30 2015 03:22 Solar424 wrote:On March 30 2015 03:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:17 Topin wrote:On March 30 2015 03:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:13 Chexx wrote:
I am really curious why ForceFields/Sentries havent been touched in ages. Basically unlimited Terrain modifier is op as shit Blizzard thinks they're good game design because they can "be baited out and forces micro", even though they are by design anti-micro and you can't bait out 10 sentries worth of FFs. "but you can micro around it" or something like that by DK Full david kim quote "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done." - DK, 2014 I really want to know how much David Kim gets paid to do absolutely nothing but say how the game is perfectly balanced. There hasn't been a single balance patch in almost 8 months and this guy probably gets paid more than anyone in this thread lol why would you want a balance patch when all 3 races are doing about the same? it's not league of legends When there isn't a single patch for this long the game just becomes so stale it almost isn't worth watching/playing. There are just too many hard counters in SC2 for the game to be interesting without patching like BW
...ok
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On March 30 2015 03:25 Topin wrote:
the question is.. will we have another gfinity event?
they are already announced for the whole year
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