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On March 30 2015 03:24 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:21 Alchemik wrote:On March 30 2015 03:19 Charoisaur wrote:
disgusting protoss has an ability that scales so well with skill that the better player has a huge advantage.
pls fix blizzard i should be allowed to beat players that are better than me. no-one's annoyed by it being a skillful spell, people are annoyed by there being no counter play aside from going burrow roaches if you're ahead "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done."
because those Zerglings and Roaches hope Protoss screws up, and it's also not micro intensive in the slightest
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On March 30 2015 03:24 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:21 Alchemik wrote:On March 30 2015 03:19 Charoisaur wrote:
disgusting protoss has an ability that scales so well with skill that the better player has a huge advantage.
pls fix blizzard i should be allowed to beat players that are better than me. no-one's annoyed by it being a skillful spell, people are annoyed by there being no counter play aside from going burrow roaches if you're ahead "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done."
Yeah, that's nice and doable when :
(1) the map is decently open, meaning you can bait and then pull back (but it adds a shitty restriction to mapmaking)
(2) the sentry count is decent
If one of these conditions isn't met, then I'd like you to find me a pro game where FF-baiting actually happens.
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On March 30 2015 03:24 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:21 Alchemik wrote:On March 30 2015 03:19 Charoisaur wrote:
disgusting protoss has an ability that scales so well with skill that the better player has a huge advantage.
pls fix blizzard i should be allowed to beat players that are better than me. no-one's annoyed by it being a skillful spell, people are annoyed by there being no counter play aside from going burrow roaches if you're ahead "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done."
It's like asking a goalkeeper why they bother trying to save a penalty.
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On March 30 2015 03:17 Psychonian wrote:Poll: Forcefields?Broken (31) 55% Fine as they are (16) 29% Fine as they are, but the map pool makes them too abusable (5) 9% Will be fine after Ravagers come (4) 7% 56 total votes Your vote: Forcefields? (Vote): Broken
(Vote): Will be fine after Ravagers come
(Vote): Fine as they are
(Vote): Fine as they are, but the map pool makes them too abusable
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On March 30 2015 03:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
i get that everybody is angry and shit because they care about this game and all, but negativity really kills my vibe D: maybe i'm too naive but i just like to think about all the positive things
Had a nice night of sleep? 
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On March 30 2015 03:26 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:25 Topin wrote:
the question is.. will we have another gfinity event? they are already announced for the whole year
oh didnt know that, thats great!
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On March 30 2015 03:25 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:23 Ej_ wrote:On March 30 2015 03:22 Solar424 wrote:On March 30 2015 03:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:17 Topin wrote:On March 30 2015 03:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:13 Chexx wrote:
I am really curious why ForceFields/Sentries havent been touched in ages. Basically unlimited Terrain modifier is op as shit Blizzard thinks they're good game design because they can "be baited out and forces micro", even though they are by design anti-micro and you can't bait out 10 sentries worth of FFs. "but you can micro around it" or something like that by DK Full david kim quote "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done." - DK, 2014 I really want to know how much David Kim gets paid to do absolutely nothing but say how the game is perfectly balanced. There hasn't been a single balance patch in almost 8 months and this guy probably gets paid more than anyone in this thread lol why would you want a balance patch when all 3 races are doing about the same? it's not league of legends When there isn't a single patch for this long the game just becomes so stale it almost isn't worth watching/playing. There are just too many hard counters in SC2 for the game to be interesting without patching like BW
no, the meta is developing itself and there is no point in making a patch.
pros have said they don't want to much balance changes because they want to figure things out themselves
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On March 30 2015 03:25 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:23 Ej_ wrote:On March 30 2015 03:22 Solar424 wrote:On March 30 2015 03:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:17 Topin wrote:On March 30 2015 03:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:13 Chexx wrote:
I am really curious why ForceFields/Sentries havent been touched in ages. Basically unlimited Terrain modifier is op as shit Blizzard thinks they're good game design because they can "be baited out and forces micro", even though they are by design anti-micro and you can't bait out 10 sentries worth of FFs. "but you can micro around it" or something like that by DK Full david kim quote "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done." - DK, 2014 I really want to know how much David Kim gets paid to do absolutely nothing but say how the game is perfectly balanced. There hasn't been a single balance patch in almost 8 months and this guy probably gets paid more than anyone in this thread lol why would you want a balance patch when all 3 races are doing about the same? it's not league of legends When there isn't a single patch for this long the game just becomes so stale it almost isn't worth watching/playing. There are just too many hard counters in SC2 for the game to be interesting without patching like BW
uhh my history knowledge is rusty but wtf are you talking about
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On March 30 2015 03:27 Psychonian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:17 Psychonian wrote:Poll: Forcefields?Broken (31) 55% Fine as they are (16) 29% Fine as they are, but the map pool makes them too abusable (5) 9% Will be fine after Ravagers come (4) 7% 56 total votes Your vote: Forcefields? (Vote): Broken
(Vote): Will be fine after Ravagers come
(Vote): Fine as they are
(Vote): Fine as they are, but the map pool makes them too abusable
That poll is nice and all, I even voted for "broken". I would have voted for "will be useless when ravagers come" though.
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On March 30 2015 03:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
i get that everybody is angry and shit because they care about this game and all, but negativity really kills my vibe D: maybe i'm too naive but i just like to think about all the positive things
Haha sorry about the negativity, I'm usually not blaming the game but I'm really pissed off now d:
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On March 30 2015 03:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
i get that everybody is angry and shit because they care about this game and all, but negativity really kills my vibe D: maybe i'm too naive but i just like to think about all the positive things
Oh you sweet summer child
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On March 30 2015 03:26 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:24 Charoisaur wrote:On March 30 2015 03:21 Alchemik wrote:On March 30 2015 03:19 Charoisaur wrote:
disgusting protoss has an ability that scales so well with skill that the better player has a huge advantage.
pls fix blizzard i should be allowed to beat players that are better than me. no-one's annoyed by it being a skillful spell, people are annoyed by there being no counter play aside from going burrow roaches if you're ahead "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done." It's like asking a goalkeeper why they bother trying to save a penalty.
hahahahaha best analogy ever
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On March 30 2015 03:27 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:25 Solar424 wrote:On March 30 2015 03:23 Ej_ wrote:On March 30 2015 03:22 Solar424 wrote:On March 30 2015 03:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:17 Topin wrote:On March 30 2015 03:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:13 Chexx wrote:
I am really curious why ForceFields/Sentries havent been touched in ages. Basically unlimited Terrain modifier is op as shit Blizzard thinks they're good game design because they can "be baited out and forces micro", even though they are by design anti-micro and you can't bait out 10 sentries worth of FFs. "but you can micro around it" or something like that by DK Full david kim quote "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done." - DK, 2014 I really want to know how much David Kim gets paid to do absolutely nothing but say how the game is perfectly balanced. There hasn't been a single balance patch in almost 8 months and this guy probably gets paid more than anyone in this thread lol why would you want a balance patch when all 3 races are doing about the same? it's not league of legends When there isn't a single patch for this long the game just becomes so stale it almost isn't worth watching/playing. There are just too many hard counters in SC2 for the game to be interesting without patching like BW uhh my history knowledge is rusty but wtf are you talking about
BW wasn't patched at all for most (all?) of its competitive life span
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On March 30 2015 03:27 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:27 Psychonian wrote:On March 30 2015 03:17 Psychonian wrote:Poll: Forcefields?Broken (31) 55% Fine as they are (16) 29% Fine as they are, but the map pool makes them too abusable (5) 9% Will be fine after Ravagers come (4) 7% 56 total votes Your vote: Forcefields? (Vote): Broken
(Vote): Will be fine after Ravagers come
(Vote): Fine as they are
(Vote): Fine as they are, but the map pool makes them too abusable
That poll is nice and all, I even voted for "broken". I would have voted for "will be useless when ravagers come" though.
I don't think they will be useless at all
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On March 30 2015 03:26 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:24 Charoisaur wrote:On March 30 2015 03:21 Alchemik wrote:On March 30 2015 03:19 Charoisaur wrote:
disgusting protoss has an ability that scales so well with skill that the better player has a huge advantage.
pls fix blizzard i should be allowed to beat players that are better than me. no-one's annoyed by it being a skillful spell, people are annoyed by there being no counter play aside from going burrow roaches if you're ahead "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done." because those Zerglings and Roaches hope Protoss screws up, and it's also not micro intensive in the slightest
david kim disagrees with you
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On March 30 2015 03:27 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:25 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
i get that everybody is angry and shit because they care about this game and all, but negativity really kills my vibe D: maybe i'm too naive but i just like to think about all the positive things Had a nice night of sleep?
i was gonna sleep after yesterday's games in the afternoon/evening cause I was exhausted but some friends showed up announced so I hung out with them and we got chinese and i crashed on the floor at like 1 last night haha
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On March 30 2015 03:28 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:26 Alchemik wrote:On March 30 2015 03:24 Charoisaur wrote:On March 30 2015 03:21 Alchemik wrote:On March 30 2015 03:19 Charoisaur wrote:
disgusting protoss has an ability that scales so well with skill that the better player has a huge advantage.
pls fix blizzard i should be allowed to beat players that are better than me. no-one's annoyed by it being a skillful spell, people are annoyed by there being no counter play aside from going burrow roaches if you're ahead "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done." because those Zerglings and Roaches hope Protoss screws up, and it's also not micro intensive in the slightest david kim disagrees with you
What's the point? He also allowed Daedalus 1.0 into the map pool^^
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On March 30 2015 03:28 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:27 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 30 2015 03:25 Solar424 wrote:On March 30 2015 03:23 Ej_ wrote:On March 30 2015 03:22 Solar424 wrote:On March 30 2015 03:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:17 Topin wrote:On March 30 2015 03:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 30 2015 03:13 Chexx wrote:
I am really curious why ForceFields/Sentries havent been touched in ages. Basically unlimited Terrain modifier is op as shit Blizzard thinks they're good game design because they can "be baited out and forces micro", even though they are by design anti-micro and you can't bait out 10 sentries worth of FFs. "but you can micro around it" or something like that by DK Full david kim quote "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done." - DK, 2014 I really want to know how much David Kim gets paid to do absolutely nothing but say how the game is perfectly balanced. There hasn't been a single balance patch in almost 8 months and this guy probably gets paid more than anyone in this thread lol why would you want a balance patch when all 3 races are doing about the same? it's not league of legends When there isn't a single patch for this long the game just becomes so stale it almost isn't worth watching/playing. There are just too many hard counters in SC2 for the game to be interesting without patching like BW uhh my history knowledge is rusty but wtf are you talking about BW wasn't patched at all for most (all?) of its competitive life span
that's what I thought, does he mean that the non-patches made BW boring? that's what confuses me
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On March 30 2015 03:28 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:26 Alchemik wrote:On March 30 2015 03:24 Charoisaur wrote:On March 30 2015 03:21 Alchemik wrote:On March 30 2015 03:19 Charoisaur wrote:
disgusting protoss has an ability that scales so well with skill that the better player has a huge advantage.
pls fix blizzard i should be allowed to beat players that are better than me. no-one's annoyed by it being a skillful spell, people are annoyed by there being no counter play aside from going burrow roaches if you're ahead "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done." because those Zerglings and Roaches hope Protoss screws up, and it's also not micro intensive in the slightest david kim disagrees with you
I think that might be the nicest thing anyone has ever said to him.
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On March 30 2015 03:28 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 03:26 Alchemik wrote:On March 30 2015 03:24 Charoisaur wrote:On March 30 2015 03:21 Alchemik wrote:On March 30 2015 03:19 Charoisaur wrote:
disgusting protoss has an ability that scales so well with skill that the better player has a huge advantage.
pls fix blizzard i should be allowed to beat players that are better than me. no-one's annoyed by it being a skillful spell, people are annoyed by there being no counter play aside from going burrow roaches if you're ahead "We've talked about our stance on Force Fields in the past, and it still remains unchanged. We feel like we get a lot of feedback from forums saying there's no micro anyone can do against Force Fields. However, we just don't see this. For example, why do Zerglings or roaches try to bait out Force Fields if micro against them is not possible? Terran players picking off units on one side of Force Fields and dropping them on the more favorable side is another good example. We believe Force Fields are a very unique ability that sometimes feel there was nothing you could do, but that is okay because there are varying degrees of successes and failures. That is just StarCraft: If DTs come in when I have no detectors I'm dead, but that doesn't mean there was nothing I could have done." because those Zerglings and Roaches hope Protoss screws up, and it's also not micro intensive in the slightest david kim disagrees with you
he's being paid to disagree with me
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