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On March 15 2015 05:44 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:42 stuchiu wrote:On March 15 2015 05:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:39 royalroadweed wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:34 OtherWorld wrote:
And the Protoss hate is making me laugh so much. It's OK people, you can give one tournament to other races than Terran once in a while. Additionally, Trap rocks, and having at least one P in the finals was so predictable. Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t Life can win code s. i said more zergs, not one Zerg is a game of highlander. There can only be one. Yellow - JulyZerg - Savior - Jaedong - Effort - Nestea - DongRaeGu - Life - Soulkey - soO - Life - !?! Did I miss anyone?
2012 Stephano ofc XD
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On March 15 2015 05:50 Jazzman88 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:48 Roadog wrote:On March 15 2015 05:44 HellHound wrote:On March 15 2015 05:42 stuchiu wrote:On March 15 2015 05:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:39 royalroadweed wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:34 OtherWorld wrote:
And the Protoss hate is making me laugh so much. It's OK people, you can give one tournament to other races than Terran once in a while. Additionally, Trap rocks, and having at least one P in the finals was so predictable. Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t Life can win code s. i said more zergs, not one Zerg is a game of highlander. There can only be one. Yellow - JulyZerg - Savior - Jaedong - Effort - Nestea - DongRaeGu - Life - Soulkey - soO - Life - !?! Did I miss anyone? You wrote Life twice! Does that make him twice as good as all the other guys?! Life is easily the best Zerg in the world, and certainly twice as good as some of the people on that list.
Best zerg on that list is Jaedong.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 15 2015 05:48 Roadog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:44 HellHound wrote:On March 15 2015 05:42 stuchiu wrote:On March 15 2015 05:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:39 royalroadweed wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:34 OtherWorld wrote:
And the Protoss hate is making me laugh so much. It's OK people, you can give one tournament to other races than Terran once in a while. Additionally, Trap rocks, and having at least one P in the finals was so predictable. Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t Life can win code s. i said more zergs, not one Zerg is a game of highlander. There can only be one. Yellow - JulyZerg - Savior - Jaedong - Effort - Nestea - DongRaeGu - Life - Soulkey - soO - Life - !?! Did I miss anyone? You wrote Life twice! Does that make him twice as good as all the other guys?!
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On March 15 2015 05:50 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:47 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2015 05:43 KeksX wrote:On March 15 2015 05:42 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2015 05:40 KeksX wrote:On March 15 2015 05:38 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2015 05:32 KeksX wrote:On March 15 2015 05:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 15 2015 05:28 Rollora wrote:
lelelelel.
If you don't want to actually engage the enemy create a wall that prevents his army to do anything.
Forcefields must be the most hated spell in the game :D
I seriously doubt the designer who made it was sane, as it can't be a good Idea to make a game that is about war and strategy and then invent a spell that makes you win without war and strategy (well if you count blocking units it could be called a valuable strategy).
I really don't get so many design decisions about protoss. The forcefileds, the colossus (as an easy to use, High-damage-output AOE unit that needs no skill, I always thought such units shouldn't exist) and the warpins. And the many allins and bullshit tactics possible around this.
They always make me hate the protoss race so much, I don't watch the games with toss anymore.
While I understand it takes skill to use all these abilities to the max, Blizzard knows from the very early days of sc2 that there is a lot of hate about all that and so many people are frustrated because of these abilities.
I don't understand why blizzard doesn't want to change that 2/3 of the players are frustrated with the game. Of course every race is a little bit frustrated about 1-2 things about the other race (Fungals or Widow Mines) but with protoss there are SO MANY things to get frustrated about. I really don't understand why that can't be changed. Propably because Protoss would be less a technical race and more a mechanical, but this would make playing and watching it more fun. Like: having more powerful gateway units but not being required to have so many powerful spells.
And yeah, I guess I am salty, since this guy killed 2 of my favorite terrans with bullshit and stuff that make me mad about toss (because they seem to be easier to execute than to defend against) and now also one of the best zergs.
Allins shouldn't be THAT strong, srsly. And from a failed allin in the beginning you shouldn't be able to come back like that.
And yeah, I do understand that Trap played phenomenal, he wouldn't be able to beat Flash, Fantasy and Dark if he didn't.
Still, I hate these abilities, I wished Trap showed some phenomenal macro games without all that stuff. You, and it seems the entirety of reddit, are so fucking mad right now. I get it though, FFs are dumb and have been dumb since day 1 To be fair he raises a good point. Nobody gets that upset about a Terran or Zerg winning, but when Protoss wins like that everyone loses their mind... It's not news that every time protoss wins a game someone has something to say. We're used to it. There's definitely a pattern, though. If you ask people about balance and design things, Protoss is the first thing to talk about. Not only about "Protoss so imba, pls nerf", but also "the only viable way to win as Protoss is to do stuff like X". The thing is, outside of tournaments, people don't really see a reason to talk about it. You act like people are rational about it. They will see a terran win a game with a drop when the toss is out of position, and scream "amazing game sense to drop now". The next game a protoss forcefields a ramp when the zerg is unprepared, and they're like "that's bullshit". Thats why I brought in the point that in discussions like the ones for LotV, people still bring up the same points that people raise to balance whine in here. That doesn't really happen to Terran and Zerg, their complaints are way more in line of "We need to balance economy", but for Protoss it's all about "remove X, remove Y, remove Z". With Colossi, Forcefields and Warp Gate tech being the most common ones. Why should that make a difference when the complaints aren't rational? Ok, to summarize my point: Protoss complaints in a rational discussion topic("LotV Multiplayer Update" etc) are almost exactly the same people use to balance whine in tournament threads. Terran and Zerg complaints in a rtional discussion topic are, most of the time, completely different from balance whine in tournament threads.
That really reads to me like confirmation bias. Is there actual data to back that up aside from 'the balance discussions that I have frequented'?
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Still holding out for that mech game.
C'mon Bbyong, do it!
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kinda what bbyong to win just so it's not PvP finals
but I really liked Zest's play ;;
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On March 15 2015 05:51 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:50 Jazzman88 wrote:On March 15 2015 05:48 Roadog wrote:On March 15 2015 05:44 HellHound wrote:On March 15 2015 05:42 stuchiu wrote:On March 15 2015 05:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:39 royalroadweed wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:34 OtherWorld wrote:
And the Protoss hate is making me laugh so much. It's OK people, you can give one tournament to other races than Terran once in a while. Additionally, Trap rocks, and having at least one P in the finals was so predictable. Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t Life can win code s. i said more zergs, not one Zerg is a game of highlander. There can only be one. Yellow - JulyZerg - Savior - Jaedong - Effort - Nestea - DongRaeGu - Life - Soulkey - soO - Life - !?! Did I miss anyone? You wrote Life twice! Does that make him twice as good as all the other guys?! Life is easily the best Zerg in the world, and certainly twice as good as some of the people on that list. Best zerg on that list is Jaedong.
remember when he was supposed to win blizzcon? yeahh......
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On March 15 2015 05:51 Jazzman88 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:50 KeksX wrote:On March 15 2015 05:47 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2015 05:43 KeksX wrote:On March 15 2015 05:42 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2015 05:40 KeksX wrote:On March 15 2015 05:38 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2015 05:32 KeksX wrote:On March 15 2015 05:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On March 15 2015 05:28 Rollora wrote:
lelelelel.
If you don't want to actually engage the enemy create a wall that prevents his army to do anything.
Forcefields must be the most hated spell in the game :D
I seriously doubt the designer who made it was sane, as it can't be a good Idea to make a game that is about war and strategy and then invent a spell that makes you win without war and strategy (well if you count blocking units it could be called a valuable strategy).
I really don't get so many design decisions about protoss. The forcefileds, the colossus (as an easy to use, High-damage-output AOE unit that needs no skill, I always thought such units shouldn't exist) and the warpins. And the many allins and bullshit tactics possible around this.
They always make me hate the protoss race so much, I don't watch the games with toss anymore.
While I understand it takes skill to use all these abilities to the max, Blizzard knows from the very early days of sc2 that there is a lot of hate about all that and so many people are frustrated because of these abilities.
I don't understand why blizzard doesn't want to change that 2/3 of the players are frustrated with the game. Of course every race is a little bit frustrated about 1-2 things about the other race (Fungals or Widow Mines) but with protoss there are SO MANY things to get frustrated about. I really don't understand why that can't be changed. Propably because Protoss would be less a technical race and more a mechanical, but this would make playing and watching it more fun. Like: having more powerful gateway units but not being required to have so many powerful spells.
And yeah, I guess I am salty, since this guy killed 2 of my favorite terrans with bullshit and stuff that make me mad about toss (because they seem to be easier to execute than to defend against) and now also one of the best zergs.
Allins shouldn't be THAT strong, srsly. And from a failed allin in the beginning you shouldn't be able to come back like that.
And yeah, I do understand that Trap played phenomenal, he wouldn't be able to beat Flash, Fantasy and Dark if he didn't.
Still, I hate these abilities, I wished Trap showed some phenomenal macro games without all that stuff. You, and it seems the entirety of reddit, are so fucking mad right now. I get it though, FFs are dumb and have been dumb since day 1 To be fair he raises a good point. Nobody gets that upset about a Terran or Zerg winning, but when Protoss wins like that everyone loses their mind... It's not news that every time protoss wins a game someone has something to say. We're used to it. There's definitely a pattern, though. If you ask people about balance and design things, Protoss is the first thing to talk about. Not only about "Protoss so imba, pls nerf", but also "the only viable way to win as Protoss is to do stuff like X". The thing is, outside of tournaments, people don't really see a reason to talk about it. You act like people are rational about it. They will see a terran win a game with a drop when the toss is out of position, and scream "amazing game sense to drop now". The next game a protoss forcefields a ramp when the zerg is unprepared, and they're like "that's bullshit". Thats why I brought in the point that in discussions like the ones for LotV, people still bring up the same points that people raise to balance whine in here. That doesn't really happen to Terran and Zerg, their complaints are way more in line of "We need to balance economy", but for Protoss it's all about "remove X, remove Y, remove Z". With Colossi, Forcefields and Warp Gate tech being the most common ones. Why should that make a difference when the complaints aren't rational? Ok, to summarize my point: Protoss complaints in a rational discussion topic("LotV Multiplayer Update" etc) are almost exactly the same people use to balance whine in tournament threads. Terran and Zerg complaints in a rtional discussion topic are, most of the time, completely different from balance whine in tournament threads. That really reads to me like confirmation bias. Is there actual data to back that up aside from 'the balance discussions that I have frequented'?
Yes, in fact I have spent the last 3 weeks gathering data in this completely arbitrary point I raised to explain my feelings of this forum.
Sorry, no. If you feel like thats wrong, fine. I just wanted to make that point.
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Wow such dissapointments....hopefully Zest can take this 3-2 and then 4-3/2 in the finals.
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
On March 15 2015 05:49 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:49 KelsierSC wrote:On March 15 2015 05:48 royalroadweed wrote:On March 15 2015 05:46 Lorning wrote:On March 15 2015 05:44 HellHound wrote:On March 15 2015 05:42 stuchiu wrote:On March 15 2015 05:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:39 royalroadweed wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:
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Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t Life can win code s. i said more zergs, not one Zerg is a game of highlander. There can only be one. Yellow - JulyZerg - Savior - Jaedong - Effort - Nestea - DongRaeGu - Life - Soulkey - soO - Life - !?! Did I miss anyone? RorO He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named + Show Spoiler + sniper wasn't like the only zerg hero at the time though as like every zerg was winning games at the time. johnny recco won games remember Who?
some kid who built infestors.
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On March 15 2015 05:49 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:49 KelsierSC wrote:On March 15 2015 05:48 royalroadweed wrote:On March 15 2015 05:46 Lorning wrote:On March 15 2015 05:44 HellHound wrote:On March 15 2015 05:42 stuchiu wrote:On March 15 2015 05:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:39 royalroadweed wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:
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Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t Life can win code s. i said more zergs, not one Zerg is a game of highlander. There can only be one. Yellow - JulyZerg - Savior - Jaedong - Effort - Nestea - DongRaeGu - Life - Soulkey - soO - Life - !?! Did I miss anyone? RorO He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named + Show Spoiler + sniper wasn't like the only zerg hero at the time though as like every zerg was winning games at the time. johnny recco won games remember Who?
Ziktomini's sidekick.
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On March 15 2015 05:50 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:50 HellHound wrote:On March 15 2015 05:48 Roadog wrote:On March 15 2015 05:44 HellHound wrote:On March 15 2015 05:42 stuchiu wrote:On March 15 2015 05:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:39 royalroadweed wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:34 OtherWorld wrote:
And the Protoss hate is making me laugh so much. It's OK people, you can give one tournament to other races than Terran once in a while. Additionally, Trap rocks, and having at least one P in the finals was so predictable. Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t Life can win code s. i said more zergs, not one Zerg is a game of highlander. There can only be one. Yellow - JulyZerg - Savior - Jaedong - Effort - Nestea - DongRaeGu - Life - Soulkey - soO - Life - !?! Did I miss anyone? You wrote Life twice! Does that make him twice as good as all the other guys?! He was a highlander twice so I wrote him twice. The first time he was one zerg amongst many.
The first time he was THE ONE ZERG amongst many.
Does ovv not count as a bonjwa because t was imba then?
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On March 15 2015 05:51 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:50 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 15 2015 05:48 Roadog wrote:On March 15 2015 05:44 HellHound wrote:On March 15 2015 05:42 stuchiu wrote:On March 15 2015 05:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:39 royalroadweed wrote:On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On March 15 2015 05:34 OtherWorld wrote:
And the Protoss hate is making me laugh so much. It's OK people, you can give one tournament to other races than Terran once in a while. Additionally, Trap rocks, and having at least one P in the finals was so predictable. Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.< they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t Life can win code s. i said more zergs, not one Zerg is a game of highlander. There can only be one. Yellow - JulyZerg - Savior - Jaedong - Effort - Nestea - DongRaeGu - Life - Soulkey - soO - Life - !?! Did I miss anyone? You wrote Life twice! Does that make him twice as good as all the other guys?! Well...he's having 2 very strong peaks :p Actually in his first "peak" he was overshadowed by the one and only RorO
even though I am the biggest RoRojwa phan I disagree with this, 2012-early2013 was winter of life, the amount of times he beat DRG and PartinGu amongst the rest....
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On March 15 2015 05:52 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:51 Jazzman88 wrote:On March 15 2015 05:50 KeksX wrote:On March 15 2015 05:47 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2015 05:43 KeksX wrote:On March 15 2015 05:42 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2015 05:40 KeksX wrote:On March 15 2015 05:38 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2015 05:32 KeksX wrote:On March 15 2015 05:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
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You, and it seems the entirety of reddit, are so fucking mad right now. I get it though, FFs are dumb and have been dumb since day 1 To be fair he raises a good point. Nobody gets that upset about a Terran or Zerg winning, but when Protoss wins like that everyone loses their mind... It's not news that every time protoss wins a game someone has something to say. We're used to it. There's definitely a pattern, though. If you ask people about balance and design things, Protoss is the first thing to talk about. Not only about "Protoss so imba, pls nerf", but also "the only viable way to win as Protoss is to do stuff like X". The thing is, outside of tournaments, people don't really see a reason to talk about it. You act like people are rational about it. They will see a terran win a game with a drop when the toss is out of position, and scream "amazing game sense to drop now". The next game a protoss forcefields a ramp when the zerg is unprepared, and they're like "that's bullshit". Thats why I brought in the point that in discussions like the ones for LotV, people still bring up the same points that people raise to balance whine in here. That doesn't really happen to Terran and Zerg, their complaints are way more in line of "We need to balance economy", but for Protoss it's all about "remove X, remove Y, remove Z". With Colossi, Forcefields and Warp Gate tech being the most common ones. Why should that make a difference when the complaints aren't rational? Ok, to summarize my point: Protoss complaints in a rational discussion topic("LotV Multiplayer Update" etc) are almost exactly the same people use to balance whine in tournament threads. Terran and Zerg complaints in a rtional discussion topic are, most of the time, completely different from balance whine in tournament threads. That really reads to me like confirmation bias. Is there actual data to back that up aside from 'the balance discussions that I have frequented'? Yes, in fact I have spent the last 3 weeks gathering data in this completely arbitrary point I raised to explain my feelings of this forum. Sorry, no. If you feel like thats wrong, fine. I just wanted to make that point.
Heh. Touché, good gentleperson.
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Without Life it would be super depressing to be a zerg fan. Dark got close but overall it was a disappointing tournament for zerg.
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Z for Zonking
E for Erotic
S for Sexy
T for Transcendent
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Geoff telling it like it is.
The RoBogus with defective TvP showed up.
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United States97277 Posts
I hope Bbyong smokes zest and then takes the whole tournament.
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Are there actually games going on? Who's winning?
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