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Cut down on the balance/design whining please.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 14 2015 20:56 GMT
#4081
Zest will nexus first on deadwing. Feels like it
Moderator
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 14 2015 20:56 GMT
#4082
the game is balanced but it doesn't make zerg any less depressing.

hopefully I can watch the dark vods vs maru/taeja tonight so I don't end up killing myself.
Zerg for Life
ubikz
Profile Joined March 2015
69 Posts
March 14 2015 20:57 GMT
#4083
I think one of the big things about Life is that, despite his slumps, he has been great since 2012, and now is by far the best zerg out there, he is now better than never before.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
March 14 2015 20:57 GMT
#4084
On March 15 2015 05:56 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 05:52 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:51 royalroadweed wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:50 Jazzman88 wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:48 Roadog wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:44 HellHound wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:42 stuchiu wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:39 royalroadweed wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
[quote]
they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t

Life can win code s.

i said more zergs, not one


Zerg is a game of highlander. There can only be one.

Yellow - JulyZerg - Savior - Jaedong - Effort - Nestea - DongRaeGu - Life - Soulkey - soO - Life - !?!
Did I miss anyone?

You wrote Life twice! Does that make him twice as good as all the other guys?!


Life is easily the best Zerg in the world, and certainly twice as good as some of the people on that list.

Best zerg on that list is Jaedong.

remember when he was supposed to win blizzcon? yeahh......

He did win 2 MSLs and 3 OSLs.

yeah i wasnt around then, he was supposed to ascend to god level in both games.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
OsaX Nymloth
Profile Joined March 2013
Poland3244 Posts
March 14 2015 20:57 GMT
#4085
Polish crowd best crowd
Twitter: @osaxnymloth
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
March 14 2015 20:57 GMT
#4086
Sc2>LoL confirmed
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
March 14 2015 20:57 GMT
#4087
All zergs leaving to deal with their salt overdose.
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9224 Posts
March 14 2015 20:57 GMT
#4088
Starcraft chant <3
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
March 14 2015 20:57 GMT
#4089
Wow, the crowd chanting Starcraft. Guys, I think we might be popular in Poland.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
rednusa
Profile Joined October 2012
651 Posts
March 14 2015 20:57 GMT
#4090
Bbyong fighting!
Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
March 14 2015 20:57 GMT
#4091
On March 15 2015 05:56 KelsierSC wrote:
the game is balanced but it doesn't make zerg any less depressing.

hopefully I can watch the dark vods vs maru/taeja tonight so I don't end up killing myself.


Um, are you doing okay? Seems a bit extreme for having Dark get knocked out.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
March 14 2015 20:57 GMT
#4092
On March 15 2015 05:56 Cricketer12 wrote:
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On March 15 2015 05:54 Shellshock wrote:
I hope Bbyong smokes zest and then takes the whole tournament.

traitor where the fuck did the Jin Air love come from?

Jin Air sOs is why I'm a fan
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 20:58:10
March 14 2015 20:57 GMT
#4093
On March 15 2015 05:56 KelsierSC wrote:
the game is balanced but it doesn't make zerg any less depressing.

hopefully I can watch the dark vods vs maru/taeja tonight so I don't end up killing myself.


You just might. Dark's ZvT looked so good he probably would've won 3-0 against Fantasy.

Fantasy really, really shouldn't have lost g5 vs Trap either..
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
March 14 2015 20:57 GMT
#4094
On March 15 2015 05:53 Jazzman88 wrote:
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On March 15 2015 05:52 KeksX wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:51 Jazzman88 wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:50 KeksX wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:47 Nebuchad wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:43 KeksX wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:42 Nebuchad wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:40 KeksX wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:38 Nebuchad wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:32 KeksX wrote:
[quote]

To be fair he raises a good point. Nobody gets that upset about a Terran or Zerg winning, but when Protoss wins like that everyone loses their mind...


It's not news that every time protoss wins a game someone has something to say. We're used to it.


There's definitely a pattern, though. If you ask people about balance and design things, Protoss is the first thing to talk about. Not only about "Protoss so imba, pls nerf", but also "the only viable way to win as Protoss is to do stuff like X".

The thing is, outside of tournaments, people don't really see a reason to talk about it.


You act like people are rational about it. They will see a terran win a game with a drop when the toss is out of position, and scream "amazing game sense to drop now". The next game a protoss forcefields a ramp when the zerg is unprepared, and they're like "that's bullshit".



Thats why I brought in the point that in discussions like the ones for LotV, people still bring up the same points that people raise to balance whine in here.

That doesn't really happen to Terran and Zerg, their complaints are way more in line of "We need to balance economy", but for Protoss it's all about "remove X, remove Y, remove Z". With Colossi, Forcefields and Warp Gate tech being the most common ones.


Why should that make a difference when the complaints aren't rational?


Ok, to summarize my point:

Protoss complaints in a rational discussion topic("LotV Multiplayer Update" etc) are almost exactly the same people use to balance whine in tournament threads.

Terran and Zerg complaints in a rtional discussion topic are, most of the time, completely different from balance whine in tournament threads.


That really reads to me like confirmation bias. Is there actual data to back that up aside from 'the balance discussions that I have frequented'?


Yes, in fact I have spent the last 3 weeks gathering data in this completely arbitrary point I raised to explain my feelings of this forum.


Sorry, no. If you feel like thats wrong, fine. I just wanted to make that point.


Heh. Touché, good gentleperson.





It's good that you brought it up, though. I'm not claiming that this is the one and only truth, but as someone who at least reads almost all the discussions on design, especially for LotV, those are my feelings towards that whole debate and I find it curious how it actually plays out.

But anyway, time for some TvP!



SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
March 14 2015 20:58 GMT
#4095
I love Poland ESPORTS
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
March 14 2015 20:58 GMT
#4096
On March 15 2015 05:56 Elentos wrote:
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On March 15 2015 05:55 Makro wrote:
camera time way in favor of zest #camerabias

The guy has all the fangirls and could go into modeling if the esports doesn't work out, not even mildly surprised.

he can play with no pressure
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
OsaX Nymloth
Profile Joined March 2013
Poland3244 Posts
March 14 2015 20:58 GMT
#4097
Haha, loving that Maynarde learned few words in Polish :D
Twitter: @osaxnymloth
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
March 14 2015 20:58 GMT
#4098
On March 15 2015 05:56 KelsierSC wrote:
the game is balanced but it doesn't make zerg any less depressing.

hopefully I can watch the dark vods vs maru/taeja tonight so I don't end up killing myself.

Go 6 pool protoss on ladder instead.
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
March 14 2015 20:58 GMT
#4099
Maynarde's hair is still incredibly majestic.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 14 2015 20:58 GMT
#4100
Everything on the line for the Mad Tinker, hopefully it'll be a great match and not just Bbyong killing Zest with banshees and stuff
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