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Cut down on the balance/design whining please.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
March 14 2015 20:54 GMT
#4061
Wow, Incontroll...
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
March 14 2015 20:54 GMT
#4062
On March 15 2015 05:53 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
Z for Zonking
E for Erotic
S for Sexy
T for Transcendent

It's getting hot in here...
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
March 14 2015 20:54 GMT
#4063
YES INFERNO FINALLY
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
March 14 2015 20:54 GMT
#4064
On March 15 2015 05:52 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 05:51 royalroadweed wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:50 Jazzman88 wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:48 Roadog wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:44 HellHound wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:42 stuchiu wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:39 royalroadweed wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:
[quote]
Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.<

they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t

Life can win code s.

i said more zergs, not one


Zerg is a game of highlander. There can only be one.

Yellow - JulyZerg - Savior - Jaedong - Effort - Nestea - DongRaeGu - Life - Soulkey - soO - Life - !?!
Did I miss anyone?

You wrote Life twice! Does that make him twice as good as all the other guys?!


Life is easily the best Zerg in the world, and certainly twice as good as some of the people on that list.

Best zerg on that list is Jaedong.

remember when he was supposed to win blizzcon? yeahh......

next time people question my hipster picks, know I predicted sOs to fuck some shit up, and go back home with 100k in his pocket
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
March 14 2015 20:55 GMT
#4065
On March 15 2015 05:54 Shellshock wrote:
I hope Bbyong smokes zest and then takes the whole tournament.


CJBbyong brand 'Zest' cigars! When you want to look like a classy motherfucker and grind the maximum amount of salt into the hopes of Protoss fans everywhere!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 14 2015 20:55 GMT
#4066
On March 15 2015 05:54 hborrgg wrote:
Are there actually games going on? Who's winning?


Still warming up. Should start momentarily
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
March 14 2015 20:55 GMT
#4067
On March 15 2015 05:54 Shellshock wrote:
I hope Bbyong smokes zest and then takes the whole tournament.

is it just me or do you keep changing your stance

altho i completely agree
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 14 2015 20:55 GMT
#4068
On March 15 2015 05:53 RaFox17 wrote:
Without Life it would be super depressing to be a zerg fan. Dark got close but overall it was a disappointing tournament for zerg.


it's even more depressing because life gives me false expectations

it's just sadness at the moment.
Zerg for Life
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55591 Posts
March 14 2015 20:55 GMT
#4069
Zest vetoes Secret Spring after that disaster against INnoVation <.<.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
March 14 2015 20:55 GMT
#4070
I like Deadwing a lot for Zest. It just fits his playstyle.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12487 Posts
March 14 2015 20:55 GMT
#4071
On March 15 2015 05:50 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 05:47 Nebuchad wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:43 KeksX wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:42 Nebuchad wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:40 KeksX wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:38 Nebuchad wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:32 KeksX wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:28 Rollora wrote:
lelelelel.
If you don't want to actually engage the enemy create a wall that prevents his army to do anything.

Forcefields must be the most hated spell in the game :D

I seriously doubt the designer who made it was sane, as it can't be a good Idea to make a game that is about war and strategy and then invent a spell that makes you win without war and strategy (well if you count blocking units it could be called a valuable strategy).
I really don't get so many design decisions about protoss. The forcefileds, the colossus (as an easy to use, High-damage-output AOE unit that needs no skill, I always thought such units shouldn't exist) and the warpins. And the many allins and bullshit tactics possible around this.

They always make me hate the protoss race so much, I don't watch the games with toss anymore.
While I understand it takes skill to use all these abilities to the max, Blizzard knows from the very early days of sc2 that there is a lot of hate about all that and so many people are frustrated because of these abilities.

I don't understand why blizzard doesn't want to change that 2/3 of the players are frustrated with the game. Of course every race is a little bit frustrated about 1-2 things about the other race (Fungals or Widow Mines) but with protoss there are SO MANY things to get frustrated about. I really don't understand why that can't be changed. Propably because Protoss would be less a technical race and more a mechanical, but this would make playing and watching it more fun. Like: having more powerful gateway units but not being required to have so many powerful spells.

And yeah, I guess I am salty, since this guy killed 2 of my favorite terrans with bullshit and stuff that make me mad about toss (because they seem to be easier to execute than to defend against) and now also one of the best zergs.
Allins shouldn't be THAT strong, srsly. And from a failed allin in the beginning you shouldn't be able to come back like that.

And yeah, I do understand that Trap played phenomenal, he wouldn't be able to beat Flash, Fantasy and Dark if he didn't.
Still, I hate these abilities, I wished Trap showed some phenomenal macro games without all that stuff.


You, and it seems the entirety of reddit, are so fucking mad right now. I get it though, FFs are dumb and have been dumb since day 1


To be fair he raises a good point. Nobody gets that upset about a Terran or Zerg winning, but when Protoss wins like that everyone loses their mind...


It's not news that every time protoss wins a game someone has something to say. We're used to it.


There's definitely a pattern, though. If you ask people about balance and design things, Protoss is the first thing to talk about. Not only about "Protoss so imba, pls nerf", but also "the only viable way to win as Protoss is to do stuff like X".

The thing is, outside of tournaments, people don't really see a reason to talk about it.


You act like people are rational about it. They will see a terran win a game with a drop when the toss is out of position, and scream "amazing game sense to drop now". The next game a protoss forcefields a ramp when the zerg is unprepared, and they're like "that's bullshit".



Thats why I brought in the point that in discussions like the ones for LotV, people still bring up the same points that people raise to balance whine in here.

That doesn't really happen to Terran and Zerg, their complaints are way more in line of "We need to balance economy", but for Protoss it's all about "remove X, remove Y, remove Z". With Colossi, Forcefields and Warp Gate tech being the most common ones.


Why should that make a difference when the complaints aren't rational?


Ok, to summarize my point:

Protoss complaints in a rational discussion topic("LotV Multiplayer Update" etc) are almost exactly the same people use to balance whine in tournament threads.

Terran and Zerg complaints in a rtional discussion topic are, most of the time, completely different from balance whine in tournament threads.


Well that's just an elaborate way of saying that the whine in this thread is rational, as it somehow mirrors what people say in good threads. It doesn't. What Rollora said can be demonstrated to be hypocritical in three seconds, using words like "medivac boost" and "muta base trade".
No will to live, no wish to die
Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
March 14 2015 20:55 GMT
#4072
Bring it home, Bbyongjwa
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 20:55:58
March 14 2015 20:55 GMT
#4073
camera time way in favor of zest #camerabias
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
March 14 2015 20:55 GMT
#4074
Oh no, Deadwing-Inferno 1-2 in map order this series.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
March 14 2015 20:55 GMT
#4075
On March 15 2015 05:54 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 05:53 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
Z for Zonking
E for Erotic
S for Sexy
T for Transcendent

It's getting hot in here...

..so take off all your clothes..
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
March 14 2015 20:56 GMT
#4076
On March 15 2015 05:52 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 05:51 royalroadweed wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:50 Jazzman88 wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:48 Roadog wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:44 HellHound wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:42 stuchiu wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:39 royalroadweed wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 15 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:
[quote]
Well, no Terran's gonna win GSL, and we all know that's the only one that matters <.<

they just had terran champion, they're getting an ssl champion. look man i just want more zergs to do well t.t

Life can win code s.

i said more zergs, not one


Zerg is a game of highlander. There can only be one.

Yellow - JulyZerg - Savior - Jaedong - Effort - Nestea - DongRaeGu - Life - Soulkey - soO - Life - !?!
Did I miss anyone?

You wrote Life twice! Does that make him twice as good as all the other guys?!


Life is easily the best Zerg in the world, and certainly twice as good as some of the people on that list.

Best zerg on that list is Jaedong.

remember when he was supposed to win blizzcon? yeahh......

He did win 2 MSLs and 3 OSLs.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55591 Posts
March 14 2015 20:56 GMT
#4077
On March 15 2015 05:55 Makro wrote:
camera time way in favor of zest #camerabias

The guy has all the fangirls and could go into modeling if the esports doesn't work out, not even mildly surprised.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 14 2015 20:56 GMT
#4078
On March 15 2015 05:55 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2015 05:54 Shellshock wrote:
I hope Bbyong smokes zest and then takes the whole tournament.

is it just me or do you keep changing your stance

altho i completely agree

My favorite is out so o want all the other normal favorites to lose. I would have liked dark to win but he's done too. Bbyong has never won a tournament so I wouldn't mind him taking the title.
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True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3434 Posts
March 14 2015 20:56 GMT
#4079
Analysis Desk just cursed Zest. Good, good.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 20:57:45
March 14 2015 20:56 GMT
#4080
On March 15 2015 05:54 Shellshock wrote:
I hope Bbyong smokes zest and then takes the whole tournament.

traitor where the fuck did the Jin Air love go?
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
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