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On February 23 2015 07:01 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2015 06:56 Yorkie wrote:On February 23 2015 06:55 Musicus wrote:Many people are arguing that Naniwa being eliminated is bad for WCS viewership, but won't the Taiwan and China numbers surpass the amount of Naniwa fans that won't tune in? Even if those numbers won't be on the main stream, that's a huge part of the SC scene and every Chinese/TW player advancing is good for WCS right? I am putting Chinese/TW numbers together since I'd guess it's one Mandarin stream and the scenes seem connected. Not sure, if anybody knows more tell me  . If you only watch starcraft 2 for Naniwa then I don't want you around anyway lol You might not, but the sponsors definitely do. It's all about the viewer numbers and at the very least Naniwa usually brings those. I'm also less likely to tune in now that all my favourite players are out or failed to qualify(Naniwa included). You might think I'm not a true Sc2 fan (and you'd be right, my interest in SC2 has been declining a lot the past year.) Not to take anything away from Has and Serral, they deserved to go through today.
We had roughly 34k viewers yesterday on main stream, peaked at around 38k today. Viewer count was just as high when Naniwa was not playing today. While 4k is 4k it's not that significant. And if Naniwa playing in the ro32 is more important to you than two others playing in the finals I really can't understand I'm sorry. I think viewership is okay and will be fine with or without naniwa
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On February 23 2015 07:03 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2015 06:55 travis wrote:
im disappointed but I guess naniwa wasn't ready
serral looked good but I don't think h was really truly tested
I think snute, forgg, polt, bunny are leagues above everyone else in this Hydra belongs in the top tier as well
Agreed.
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On February 23 2015 07:04 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2015 07:01 Mikau wrote:On February 23 2015 06:56 Yorkie wrote:On February 23 2015 06:55 Musicus wrote:Many people are arguing that Naniwa being eliminated is bad for WCS viewership, but won't the Taiwan and China numbers surpass the amount of Naniwa fans that won't tune in? Even if those numbers won't be on the main stream, that's a huge part of the SC scene and every Chinese/TW player advancing is good for WCS right? I am putting Chinese/TW numbers together since I'd guess it's one Mandarin stream and the scenes seem connected. Not sure, if anybody knows more tell me . If you only watch starcraft 2 for Naniwa then I don't want you around anyway lol You might not, but the sponsors definitely do. It's all about the viewer numbers and at the very least Naniwa usually brings those. I'm also less likely to tune in now that all my favourite players are out or failed to qualify(Naniwa included). You might think I'm not a true Sc2 fan (and you'd be right, my interest in SC2 has been declining a lot the past year.) Not to take anything away from Has and Serral, they deserved to go through today. We had roughly 34k viewers yesterday on main stream, peaked at around 38k today. Viewer count was just as high when Naniwa was not playing today. While 4k is 4k it's not that significant. And if Naniwa playing in the ro32 is more important to you than two others playing in the finals I really can't understand I'm sorry. I think viewership is okay and will be fine with or without naniwa
Plus i still believe for every Naniwa fan that won't tune in, 5 Has fans will.
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On February 23 2015 07:01 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2015 06:56 Yorkie wrote:On February 23 2015 06:55 Musicus wrote:Many people are arguing that Naniwa being eliminated is bad for WCS viewership, but won't the Taiwan and China numbers surpass the amount of Naniwa fans that won't tune in? Even if those numbers won't be on the main stream, that's a huge part of the SC scene and every Chinese/TW player advancing is good for WCS right? I am putting Chinese/TW numbers together since I'd guess it's one Mandarin stream and the scenes seem connected. Not sure, if anybody knows more tell me . If you only watch starcraft 2 for Naniwa then I don't want you around anyway lol You might not, but the sponsors definitely do. It's all about the viewer numbers and at the very least Naniwa usually brings those. I'm also less likely to tune in now that all my favourite players are out or failed to qualify(Naniwa included). You might think I'm not a true Sc2 fan (and you'd be right, my interest in SC2 has been declining a lot the past year.) Not to take anything away from Has and Serral, they deserved to go through today.
SH games get pretty much the same amount of viewers, so we could say Naniwa is as good for starcraft as 2 hr SH games :D
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Absolutely pathetic behaviour by stephano and kane. Shame on ESL for allowing this kind of behaviour from stephano. It was also obvious stephano was biased during his analysis.
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On February 23 2015 07:07 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2015 07:04 Yorkie wrote:On February 23 2015 07:01 Mikau wrote:On February 23 2015 06:56 Yorkie wrote:On February 23 2015 06:55 Musicus wrote:Many people are arguing that Naniwa being eliminated is bad for WCS viewership, but won't the Taiwan and China numbers surpass the amount of Naniwa fans that won't tune in? Even if those numbers won't be on the main stream, that's a huge part of the SC scene and every Chinese/TW player advancing is good for WCS right? I am putting Chinese/TW numbers together since I'd guess it's one Mandarin stream and the scenes seem connected. Not sure, if anybody knows more tell me . If you only watch starcraft 2 for Naniwa then I don't want you around anyway lol You might not, but the sponsors definitely do. It's all about the viewer numbers and at the very least Naniwa usually brings those. I'm also less likely to tune in now that all my favourite players are out or failed to qualify(Naniwa included). You might think I'm not a true Sc2 fan (and you'd be right, my interest in SC2 has been declining a lot the past year.) Not to take anything away from Has and Serral, they deserved to go through today. We had roughly 34k viewers yesterday on main stream, peaked at around 38k today. Viewer count was just as high when Naniwa was not playing today. While 4k is 4k it's not that significant. And if Naniwa playing in the ro32 is more important to you than two others playing in the finals I really can't understand I'm sorry. I think viewership is okay and will be fine with or without naniwa Plus i still believe for every Naniwa fan that won't tune in, 5 Has fans will.
These are awful times for Taiwan though... It was 1AM-6AM on a Monday.
Even the most hardcore naniwa fans will balk at that unless they're a college student with afternoon classes.
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I'm a Terran player and this may seem weird coming from one but the SH thing versus Mech is never the Zergs fault. You just straight up need them to survive. I blame the mechers.
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On February 23 2015 07:08 DanteStyle26 wrote:
Absolutely pathetic behaviour by stephano and kane. Shame on ESL for allowing this kind of behaviour from stephano. It was also obvious stephano was biased during his analysis.
what did Stephano do?
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On February 23 2015 07:08 DanteStyle26 wrote:
Absolutely pathetic behaviour by stephano and kane. Shame on ESL for allowing this kind of behaviour from stephano. It was also obvious stephano was biased during his analysis.
I feel like sth was wrong with Stephano today, during the interview/analysis he had a couple of moments where he just had some sort of brainlag or sth like that. O_o
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On February 23 2015 07:10 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2015 07:08 DanteStyle26 wrote:
Absolutely pathetic behaviour by stephano and kane. Shame on ESL for allowing this kind of behaviour from stephano. It was also obvious stephano was biased during his analysis. what did Stephano do?
Go look at his twitter.
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On February 23 2015 07:10 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2015 07:08 DanteStyle26 wrote:
Absolutely pathetic behaviour by stephano and kane. Shame on ESL for allowing this kind of behaviour from stephano. It was also obvious stephano was biased during his analysis. what did Stephano do?
saying on twitter that he was happy about the loss of naniwa
apparently only naniwa has the right to be a jerk to the other, otherwise it's "pathetic behavior"
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On February 23 2015 07:08 DanteStyle26 wrote:
Absolutely pathetic behaviour by stephano and kane. Shame on ESL for allowing this kind of behaviour from stephano. It was also obvious stephano was biased during his analysis.
It's not like Apollo isn't utterly biased towards Naniwa haha
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On February 23 2015 07:10 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2015 07:08 DanteStyle26 wrote:
Absolutely pathetic behaviour by stephano and kane. Shame on ESL for allowing this kind of behaviour from stephano. It was also obvious stephano was biased during his analysis. what did Stephano do?
He made some very unprofessional tweets about naniwa. You can check his twitter.
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On February 23 2015 07:10 Grizvok wrote:
I'm a Terran player and this may seem weird coming from one but the SH thing versus Mech is never the Zergs fault. You just straight up need them to survive. I blame the mechers.
I don't really mind SH games except when the Mecher just sits there and turtles into mass raven.
Or does retarded shit like forgg did yesterday.
I don't really mind any composition or style as long as there is some form of interaction between the players.
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On February 23 2015 07:11 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2015 07:10 mikumegurine wrote:On February 23 2015 07:08 DanteStyle26 wrote:
Absolutely pathetic behaviour by stephano and kane. Shame on ESL for allowing this kind of behaviour from stephano. It was also obvious stephano was biased during his analysis. what did Stephano do? saying on twitter that he was happy about the loss of naniwa apparently only naniwa has the right to be a jerk to the other, otherwise it's "pathetic behavior"
Did you not see everyone in this thread condemning Stephano's behavior and calling it pathetic right after it happened? Even some of us that don't like Naniwa know that Stephano was wayyyy out of line
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On February 23 2015 07:09 kc2siq wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2015 07:07 Musicus wrote:On February 23 2015 07:04 Yorkie wrote:On February 23 2015 07:01 Mikau wrote:On February 23 2015 06:56 Yorkie wrote:On February 23 2015 06:55 Musicus wrote:Many people are arguing that Naniwa being eliminated is bad for WCS viewership, but won't the Taiwan and China numbers surpass the amount of Naniwa fans that won't tune in? Even if those numbers won't be on the main stream, that's a huge part of the SC scene and every Chinese/TW player advancing is good for WCS right? I am putting Chinese/TW numbers together since I'd guess it's one Mandarin stream and the scenes seem connected. Not sure, if anybody knows more tell me . If you only watch starcraft 2 for Naniwa then I don't want you around anyway lol You might not, but the sponsors definitely do. It's all about the viewer numbers and at the very least Naniwa usually brings those. I'm also less likely to tune in now that all my favourite players are out or failed to qualify(Naniwa included). You might think I'm not a true Sc2 fan (and you'd be right, my interest in SC2 has been declining a lot the past year.) Not to take anything away from Has and Serral, they deserved to go through today. We had roughly 34k viewers yesterday on main stream, peaked at around 38k today. Viewer count was just as high when Naniwa was not playing today. While 4k is 4k it's not that significant. And if Naniwa playing in the ro32 is more important to you than two others playing in the finals I really can't understand I'm sorry. I think viewership is okay and will be fine with or without naniwa Plus i still believe for every Naniwa fan that won't tune in, 5 Has fans will. These are awful times for Taiwan though... It was 1AM-6AM on a Monday. Even the most hardcore naniwa fans will balk at that unless they're a college student with afternoon classes.
True, but they might watch the rebroadcast/vods and I don't think the sponsors care if they watched live or not.
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On February 23 2015 07:11 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2015 07:10 mikumegurine wrote:On February 23 2015 07:08 DanteStyle26 wrote:
Absolutely pathetic behaviour by stephano and kane. Shame on ESL for allowing this kind of behaviour from stephano. It was also obvious stephano was biased during his analysis. what did Stephano do? saying on twitter that he was happy about the loss of naniwa apparently only naniwa has the right to be a jerk to the other, otherwise it's "pathetic behavior"
It's being a prick either way.
Or being badass cause you don't care what anyone thinks.
Same thing really.
Won't judge people for most likely drunk twitter posts.
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On February 23 2015 07:11 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2015 07:10 mikumegurine wrote:On February 23 2015 07:08 DanteStyle26 wrote:
Absolutely pathetic behaviour by stephano and kane. Shame on ESL for allowing this kind of behaviour from stephano. It was also obvious stephano was biased during his analysis. what did Stephano do? saying on twitter that he was happy about the loss of naniwa apparently only naniwa has the right to be a jerk to the other, otherwise it's "pathetic behavior"
Even saying he is happy about a Naniwa loss is fine but when you are part of the cast and then brag about Kane spitting on the screen when Naniwa's face came up...those things are a little different. I'm not at all a fan of Naniwa but the whole spitting on the screen thing is just wrong.
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yay! Naniwa is out. so happy
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