★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (10)
71%
★★★- Good game (1)
7%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
21%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend MarineKing vs Bbyong?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (9)
60%
★★★- Good game (1)
7%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
7%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
7%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YongHwa vs herO?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
67%
★★★- Good game (1)
11%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
11%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Seed vs Hush?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
5%
★★★- Good game (13)
68%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
21%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
5%
19 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losira vs ByuL?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
55%
★★★- Good game (1)
9%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
9%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Ace?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On January 13 2015 17:33 jpoiv wrote: not playing taeja in any circumstance seems bananas -- if the sense of what a team's objective is, like, winning, which taeja mostly, like, does.
MarineKing spawns in the top left Bbyong spawns in the bottom right
2:00 I'm tired, pls give a good game. Both players getting depots, Bbyong's is at his ramp. Both players opening barracks followed by a refinery.
3:00 Reaper for Bbyong, Marine for MarineKing. MarineKing getting a CC in his main base.
4:00 Marine quickly scouting around. MarineKing getting a factory. Bbyong expanding. Reaper picks off the SCV building the CC. Factory for Bbyong. Bbyong got a second reaper.
5:00 Bbyong goes into the main with both reapers and kills a marine. MarineKing his a hellion now. The hellion moves out to deal with the reapers but backs off. Starport for both players, much faster for MarineKing. Stim for MarineKing. Bbyong getting an engineering bay.
MarineKing spawns in the top left Bbyong spawns in the bottom right
2:00 I'm tired, pls give a good game. Both players getting depots, Bbyong's is at his ramp. Both players opening barracks followed by a refinery.
3:00 Reaper for Bbyong, Marine for MarineKing. MarineKing getting a CC in his main base.
4:00 Marine quickly scouting around. MarineKing getting a factory. Bbyong expanding. Reaper picks off the SCV building the CC. Factory for Bbyong. Bbyong got a second reaper.
5:00 Bbyong goes into the main with both reapers and kills a marine. MarineKing his a hellion now. The hellion moves out to deal with the reapers but backs off. Starport for both players, much faster for MarineKing. Stim for MarineKing. Bbyong getting an engineering bay.
[6:00]MarineKing 37 vs Bbyong 40 Bbyong has four hellions and is moving towards MarineKing's natural. MarineKing has some marines and his own hellion. Hellions manage to damage the marines to the point where they kill most of them. Bbyong gets free reign of the natural until a marauder shows up.
[7:00]MarineKing 37 vs Bbyong 54 Bbyong lands a viking and goes in again. MarineKing holds with two marauders and a medivac. Cloaked banshee for Bbyong. MarineKing adding on more barracks.
[8:00]MarineKing 48 vs Bbyong 60 MarineKing scans Bbyong's main where another factory is being build. Engineering bay for MarineKing. Bbyong getting a third CC. Bbyong up to 8 hellions. MarineKing has four marines, four marauders and a medivac. Banshee flies into the natural and a turret start immediately. A scan goes down and MarineKing kills off the banshee.
[10:00]MarineKing 62 vs Bbyong 72 Bbyong getting a turret ring. MarineKing trying a four marauder drop. Tank being added for Bbyong. Infernal pre-igniter being researched by Bbyong. MarineKing's drop is repelled but he's going for a tank push.
MarineKing spawns in the top left Bbyong spawns in the bottom right
2:00 I'm tired, pls give a good game. Both players getting depots, Bbyong's is at his ramp. Both players opening barracks followed by a refinery.
3:00 Reaper for Bbyong, Marine for MarineKing. MarineKing getting a CC in his main base.
4:00 Marine quickly scouting around. MarineKing getting a factory. Bbyong expanding. Reaper picks off the SCV building the CC. Factory for Bbyong. Bbyong got a second reaper.
5:00 Bbyong goes into the main with both reapers and kills a marine. MarineKing his a hellion now. The hellion moves out to deal with the reapers but backs off. Starport for both players, much faster for MarineKing. Stim for MarineKing. Bbyong getting an engineering bay.
[6:00]MarineKing 37 vs Bbyong 40 Bbyong has four hellions and is moving towards MarineKing's natural. MarineKing has some marines and his own hellion. Hellions manage to damage the marines to the point where they kill most of them. Bbyong gets free reign of the natural until a marauder shows up.
[7:00]MarineKing 37 vs Bbyong 54 Bbyong lands a viking and goes in again. MarineKing holds with two marauders and a medivac. Cloaked banshee for Bbyong. MarineKing adding on more barracks.
[8:00]MarineKing 48 vs Bbyong 60 MarineKing scans Bbyong's main where another factory is being build. Engineering bay for MarineKing. Bbyong getting a third CC. Bbyong up to 8 hellions. MarineKing has four marines, four marauders and a medivac. Banshee flies into the natural and a turret start immediately. A scan goes down and MarineKing kills off the banshee.
[10:00]MarineKing 62 vs Bbyong 72 Bbyong getting a turret ring. MarineKing trying a four marauder drop. Tank being added for Bbyong. Infernal pre-igniter being researched by Bbyong. MarineKing's drop is repelled but he's going for a tank push.
[11:00]MarineKing 82 vs Bbyong 99 MarineKing sieges up outside the natural. Bbyong has his own tank, hellbats, and air control with some vikings. MarineKing loses a medivac. MarineKing is still on 2 CCs while Bbyong is landing his third.
[12:00]MarineKing 101 vs Bbyong 105 +1 attack finishing for MarineKing, +1 armor starts. MarineKing tries attacking while Bbyong is unseiged and by dropping marauders on the tanks but the tanks siege in time. Marines go into the third base. Bbyong cleaning up with hellbats even though he loses his tanks. MarineKing still rallying to the natural choke on two command centers.
[14:00]MarineKing 90 vs Bbyong 119 MarineKing regrouping. SCV pull for MarineKing against 11 hellbats.. Sensor tower for Bbyong. Bbyong figures out what's happening and pulls SCVs. MarineKing picks up his few units and goes for the third base but gets cleaned up. MarineKing GG's! Bbyong takes the first map!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (10)
71%
★★★- Good game (1)
7%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
21%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend MarineKing vs Bbyong?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (10)
71%
★★★- Good game (1)
7%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
21%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend MarineKing vs Bbyong?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (10)
71%
★★★- Good game (1)
7%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
21%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend MarineKing vs Bbyong?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (10)
71%
★★★- Good game (1)
7%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
21%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend MarineKing vs Bbyong?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On January 13 2015 19:31 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: "let's try this proxy 2 gate thing I always lose to, seems op"
Maybe with zealots in the main I can see it working? But proxy stalkers is already weak, if you get scouted it's autoloss. Then again, if you build it outside the ramp you're asking to get scouted and lose the game.
YongHwa spawns in the bottom right herO spawns in the top left
[1:00] herO going for a proxy right in front of YongHwa's main YongHwa deciding that scouting is probably good. Single gateway being proxied for herO, followed by a gas.
[2:00] Second proxy gate for herO. YongHwa reacting by getting his own second gate, and reacts to his opponent's cybernetics core by getting one of his own. Zealot finishes for herO, nearly done for YongHwa.
[3:00] A zealot and probe try to kill a probe from YongHwa but fail to do so. Both players getting two stalkers, and they will get to the back of YongHwa's main at the same time.
[4:00] YongHwa pulls some probes to defend and does so successfully. herO got a pylon at the top of YongHwa's ramp.
[5:00] YongHwa adding a few zealots to the mix of stalkers. herO has more stalkers but no zealots. YongHwa pulling probes again. Both players continue to make stalkers. Both players pick off a stalker, trading. YongHwa already has three zealots but adds on a four one. YongHwa uses his probe pull to surround the stalkers, and both players get reset in stalker count, but YongHwa still has four zealots.
YongHwa spawns in the bottom right herO spawns in the top left
[1:00] herO going for a proxy right in front of YongHwa's main YongHwa deciding that scouting is probably good. Single gateway being proxied for herO, followed by a gas.
[2:00] Second proxy gate for herO. YongHwa reacting by getting his own second gate, and reacts to his opponent's cybernetics core by getting one of his own. Zealot finishes for herO, nearly done for YongHwa.
[3:00] A zealot and probe try to kill a probe from YongHwa but fail to do so. Both players getting two stalkers, and they will get to the back of YongHwa's main at the same time.
[4:00] YongHwa pulls some probes to defend and does so successfully. herO got a pylon at the top of YongHwa's ramp.
[5:00] YongHwa adding a few zealots to the mix of stalkers. herO has more stalkers but no zealots. YongHwa pulling probes again. Both players continue to make stalkers. Both players pick off a stalker, trading. YongHwa already has three zealots but adds on a four one. YongHwa uses his probe pull to surround the stalkers, and both players get reset in stalker count, but YongHwa still has four zealots.
[7:00]YongHwa 30 vs herO[jOin]21 Both players trade, but YongHwa kills the pylon giving herO vision. Both players are on 14 workers. YongHwa has a superior stalker count and more zealots and chases herO away from his main. herO has all of his buildings and is going to lose them.
[8:00]YongHwa 35 vs herO[jOin]22 herO looking for an opening. YongHwa moves out and herO tries attacking the main. herO's main is only defended by an overcharge and YongHwa picks off probes. herO reduced to 6 probes.
[10:00]YongHwa 35 vs herO[jOin] 9 herO slowly loses everything in his main. YongHwa still has units in herO's main and is deflecting the attack in his main. herO GG's! YongHwa ties the series up 1-1!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (9)
60%
★★★- Good game (1)
7%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
7%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
7%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YongHwa vs herO?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (9)
60%
★★★- Good game (1)
7%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
7%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
7%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YongHwa vs herO?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On January 13 2015 19:42 Pandemona wrote: Damn missed MKP then missed YongHwa's rare pro league win. Fucking work TT oh and grills, grills are the pain of the world!
On January 13 2015 19:42 Pandemona wrote: Damn missed MKP then missed YongHwa's rare pro league win. Fucking work TT oh and grills, grills are the pain of the world!
On January 13 2015 19:42 Pandemona wrote: Damn missed MKP then missed YongHwa's rare pro league win. Fucking work TT oh and grills, grills are the pain of the world!
I disagree with that last part
No man, he works at Sears, and he has to put together the grills that they sell. It's terrible, terrible work.
On January 13 2015 19:42 Pandemona wrote: Damn missed MKP then missed YongHwa's rare pro league win. Fucking work TT oh and grills, grills are the pain of the world!
I disagree with that last part
Well maybe it just the grill im with that causes me insomnia and worry rofl TT
On January 13 2015 19:42 Pandemona wrote: Damn missed MKP then missed YongHwa's rare pro league win. Fucking work TT oh and grills, grills are the pain of the world!
On January 13 2015 19:42 Pandemona wrote: Damn missed MKP then missed YongHwa's rare pro league win. Fucking work TT oh and grills, grills are the pain of the world!
On January 13 2015 19:42 Pandemona wrote: Damn missed MKP then missed YongHwa's rare pro league win. Fucking work TT oh and grills, grills are the pain of the world!
I disagree with that last part
Well maybe it just the grill im with that causes me insomnia and worry rofl TT
I once burned my hand when making a grilled cheese sandwich. They are dangerous things
Is cj playing KT the next round? I think coach park made hero proxy 2 gate this game and save hero's strategy next game if they are facing KT. 50% chance of getting a Protoss next game if it is against KT.
On January 13 2015 19:42 Pandemona wrote: Damn missed MKP then missed YongHwa's rare pro league win. Fucking work TT oh and grills, grills are the pain of the world!
Someone should explain the coaches at SPL that the game is balanced, the over-nomination of Protosses really annoys me. Either they know more then they would want to tell Blizzard or they just love lasers.
On January 13 2015 19:42 Pandemona wrote: Damn missed MKP then missed YongHwa's rare pro league win. Fucking work TT oh and grills, grills are the pain of the world!
On January 13 2015 19:42 Pandemona wrote: Damn missed MKP then missed YongHwa's rare pro league win. Fucking work TT oh and grills, grills are the pain of the world!
On January 13 2015 19:42 Pandemona wrote: Damn missed MKP then missed YongHwa's rare pro league win. Fucking work TT oh and grills, grills are the pain of the world!
On January 13 2015 19:42 Pandemona wrote: Damn missed MKP then missed YongHwa's rare pro league win. Fucking work TT oh and grills, grills are the pain of the world!
Seed spawns in the bottom right Hush spawns in the top right
2:00 Both players getting a gateway followed by a gas. Quick second gas for Hush. Cybernetics cores being made. Both players scouting with a probe.
3:00 Stalker and mothership core for Seed. Hush stops after finishing his core but gets a MSC and Stalker as well. Stalker for Hush.
4:00 Seed lost a probe somehow. Two more gateways for both player, faster for Seed. Seed's warpgate tech is faster. Oracle on the way for Hush.
5:00 Hush going for a probe scout which is denied by two stalkers. Seed getting a stargate and a twilight council. Proxy pylon has been warped in for Seed. Hush scouting with another probe which sees five stalkers moving towards his main. Hush gets supply blocked but is getting a void ray. Both players use photon overcharges on their nexii, to deflect Seed's stalkers and Hush's oracle.
This lack of health bars is so damn confusing. You can only guess who wins a fight, which unit has enough energy to do anything, etc. Horrible! The observing doesn't make things better with this hasty movement all the time.
On January 13 2015 19:42 Pandemona wrote: Damn missed MKP then missed YongHwa's rare pro league win. Fucking work TT oh and grills, grills are the pain of the world!
On January 13 2015 19:46 Rollora wrote: Someone should explain the coaches at SPL that the game is balanced, the over-nomination of Protosses really annoys me. Either they know more then they would want to tell Blizzard or they just love lasers.
It's the ability of protoss to cheese in many ways possible. It was the same in BW, the SLs were won by terran and zerg but the masters of proleague (bo1) were protoss
On January 13 2015 19:49 andoRRR wrote: This lack of health bars is so damn confusing. You can only guess who wins a fight, which unit has enough energy to do anything, etc. Horrible! The observing doesn't make things better with this hasty movement all the time.
On January 13 2015 19:42 Pandemona wrote: Damn missed MKP then missed YongHwa's rare pro league win. Fucking work TT oh and grills, grills are the pain of the world!
I disagree with that last part
I agree with your disagreement.
Yes but you will back off because you're french
#dailycontroversy
hashtag? where is the fucking banhammer? Clear MOD BIAS goin' on here
On January 13 2015 19:49 andoRRR wrote: This lack of health bars is so damn confusing. You can only guess who wins a fight, which unit has enough energy to do anything, etc. Horrible! The observing doesn't make things better with this hasty movement all the time.
Give funka plz
Funka is the best observer, but he too completely ignored the health bars in season 1, 2 and some Dreamhacks last year. It's good that he changed his settings in season 3 and Dreamhack finals.
On January 13 2015 19:49 andoRRR wrote: This lack of health bars is so damn confusing. You can only guess who wins a fight, which unit has enough energy to do anything, etc. Horrible! The observing doesn't make things better with this hasty movement all the time.
Seed spawns in the bottom right Hush spawns in the top right
2:00 Both players getting a gateway followed by a gas. Quick second gas for Hush. Cybernetics cores being made. Both players scouting with a probe.
3:00 Stalker and mothership core for Seed. Hush stops after finishing his core but gets a MSC and Stalker as well. Stalker for Hush.
4:00 Seed lost a probe somehow. Two more gateways for both player, faster for Seed. Seed's warpgate tech is faster. Oracle on the way for Hush.
5:00 Hush going for a probe scout which is denied by two stalkers. Seed getting a stargate and a twilight council. Proxy pylon has been warped in for Seed. Hush scouting with another probe which sees five stalkers moving towards his main. Hush gets supply blocked but is getting a void ray. Both players use photon overcharges on their nexii, to deflect Seed's stalkers and Hush's oracle.
7:00Seed 47 vs Hush 48 Second void ray for Hush.Seed has a phoenix now. Seed going back into Hush's main, killing both pylons powering all three gateways. Oracle is killed by a phoenix. Void rays kill a few stalkers but die. Seed loses all of his attacking stalker. Mothership core from Seed is killed. Seed getting his own oracle.
9:00Seed 27 vs Hush 35 Seed chronoboosting his stargate. Hush getting his own phoenixes. Sentry being made for Seed. Hush staying at home. Hush trying to expand. Robotics facility for Seed.
10:00Seed 34 vs Hush 40 Blink for Hush. Two phoenixes from Hush pass a phoenix/oracle completely. Oracle is denied by the stalkers of Hush. Hush's phoenixes find Seed's oracle and kill it. Hush's expansion is finished. Hush moving out.
On January 13 2015 19:49 andoRRR wrote: This lack of health bars is so damn confusing. You can only guess who wins a fight, which unit has enough energy to do anything, etc. Horrible! The observing doesn't make things better with this hasty movement all the time.
Seed spawns in the bottom right Hush spawns in the top right
2:00 Both players getting a gateway followed by a gas. Quick second gas for Hush. Cybernetics cores being made. Both players scouting with a probe.
3:00 Stalker and mothership core for Seed. Hush stops after finishing his core but gets a MSC and Stalker as well. Stalker for Hush.
4:00 Seed lost a probe somehow. Two more gateways for both player, faster for Seed. Seed's warpgate tech is faster. Oracle on the way for Hush.
5:00 Hush going for a probe scout which is denied by two stalkers. Seed getting a stargate and a twilight council. Proxy pylon has been warped in for Seed. Hush scouting with another probe which sees five stalkers moving towards his main. Hush gets supply blocked but is getting a void ray. Both players use photon overcharges on their nexii, to deflect Seed's stalkers and Hush's oracle.
7:00Seed 47 vs Hush 48 Second void ray for Hush.Seed has a phoenix now. Seed going back into Hush's main, killing both pylons powering all three gateways. Oracle is killed by a phoenix. Void rays kill a few stalkers but die. Seed loses all of his attacking stalker. Mothership core from Seed is killed. Seed getting his own oracle.
9:00Seed 27 vs Hush 35 Seed chronoboosting his stargate. Hush getting his own phoenixes. Sentry being made for Seed. Hush staying at home. Hush trying to expand. Robotics facility for Seed.
10:00Seed 34 vs Hush 40 Blink for Hush. Two phoenixes from Hush pass a phoenix/oracle completely. Oracle is denied by the stalkers of Hush. Hush's phoenixes find Seed's oracle and kill it. Hush's expansion is finished. Hush moving out.
12:00Seed 43 vs Hush 55 Immortal for Seed. Hush finishing blink. Seed building a nexus in the bottom left main. Hush looking for "things" with a stalker. It's also scouting the bottom left main.
13:00Seed 50 vs Hush 64 I don't know if Hush can actually attack that bottom left base, though. Hush finds Seed's MSC with a phoenix, killing it at the cost of some help. Seed pressing forward with a phoenix and some stalkers as well as n immortal. Hush's phoenixes both die and Seed uses his to kill an immortal and nearly pick off another. Hush deflecting Seed's push, pulling probes in the process. Hush meanwhile killed Seed's lower left base.
15:00Seed 39 vs Hush 53 Hush building manner nexii next to Seed's army. Seed GG's! Hush gives CJ a 2-0 lead!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
67%
★★★- Good game (1)
11%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
11%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Seed vs Hush?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On January 13 2015 19:46 Rollora wrote: Someone should explain the coaches at SPL that the game is balanced, the over-nomination of Protosses really annoys me. Either they know more then they would want to tell Blizzard or they just love lasers.
It's the ability of protoss to cheese in many ways possible. It was the same in BW, the SLs were won by terran and zerg but the masters of proleague (bo1) were protoss
Ok then it is just me. Good to know. I hate this extremely versatile, cheesy play and that Protoss has so many strong allins that if someone is good at them (like MC) he either succeeds with them or by forcing you into being overdefensive, preparing for everything that MIGHT come. This annoys me very much about protoss.
But you are right, that it was already the case in BW, so I think it is just me being a pussy here However, I think toss has even gotten MORE cheesy cause the abilities from BW got WAY extended with Warpgate, Forcefield, Blink, Warpprism.... And even more to prepare for
Losira spawns in the top right ByuL spawns in the top left
2:00 Both players see each others' overlords. Both players go hatchery first. Gas/pool for Losira, spawning pool for ByuL.
3:00 ByuL's overlord sees Losira's gas. Losira's overlord sees the hatchery first. ByuL took his own gas which Losira's overlord doesn't see.
4:00 Losira's overlord makes it out alive. Zergling speed for Losira, but he keeps mining gas. Evolution chamber for Losira. ByuL has two queens in his natural. Losira sneaks two zerglings into the main and gets off a scout.
5:00 Both players getting drones. +1 armor for Losira. Baneling nest for Losira. ByuL tries to get some zerglings into Losira's main but is denied. Lair for ByuL.
Losira spawns in the top right ByuL spawns in the top left
2:00 Both players see each others' overlords. Both players go hatchery first. Gas/pool for Losira, spawning pool for ByuL.
3:00 ByuL's overlord sees Losira's gas. Losira's overlord sees the hatchery first. ByuL took his own gas which Losira's overlord doesn't see.
4:00 Losira's overlord makes it out alive. Zergling speed for Losira, but he keeps mining gas. Evolution chamber for Losira. ByuL has two queens in his natural. Losira sneaks two zerglings into the main and gets off a scout.
5:00 Both players getting drones. +1 armor for Losira. Baneling nest for Losira. ByuL tries to get some zerglings into Losira's main but is denied. Lair for ByuL.
7:00 Losira56 vs ByuL 56 ByuL snipes an overlord with queens. +1/1 and roaches for ByuL. Losira moving out with zerglings. Third base for Losira.
8:00 Losira 57 vs ByuL 76 Roach warren for Losira. +1 ranged attack for Losira. ByuL clears out his third base. Zerglings sneak into the main and natural of ByuL and kill both queens. A baneling is made in the corner of ByuL's main but he finds and kills it.
9:00 Losira 95 vs ByuL 99 Third base for ByuL. Roach speed finishing for ByuL and starting for Losira. Losira moving a spine crawler to his third as ByuL moves in to attack it. ByuL's attack is sort of working.
Losira spawns in the top right ByuL spawns in the top left
2:00 Both players see each others' overlords. Both players go hatchery first. Gas/pool for Losira, spawning pool for ByuL.
3:00 ByuL's overlord sees Losira's gas. Losira's overlord sees the hatchery first. ByuL took his own gas which Losira's overlord doesn't see.
4:00 Losira's overlord makes it out alive. Zergling speed for Losira, but he keeps mining gas. Evolution chamber for Losira. ByuL has two queens in his natural. Losira sneaks two zerglings into the main and gets off a scout.
5:00 Both players getting drones. +1 armor for Losira. Baneling nest for Losira. ByuL tries to get some zerglings into Losira's main but is denied. Lair for ByuL.
7:00 Losira56 vs ByuL 56 ByuL snipes an overlord with queens. +1/1 and roaches for ByuL. Losira moving out with zerglings. Third base for Losira.
8:00 Losira 57 vs ByuL 76 Roach warren for Losira. +1 ranged attack for Losira. ByuL clears out his third base. Zerglings sneak into the main and natural of ByuL and kill both queens. A baneling is made in the corner of ByuL's main but he finds and kills it.
9:00 Losira 95 vs ByuL 99 Third base for ByuL. Roach speed finishing for ByuL and starting for Losira. Losira moving a spine crawler to his third as ByuL moves in to attack it. ByuL's attack is sort of working.
11:00 Losira 104 vs ByuL 95 ByuL gets pushed back. +2/2 starts for ByuL, +2 attack for Losira. Zerglings get into ByuL's third, and roaches go into the natural and main base but kill little.
12:00 Losira 112 vs ByuL 113 Both players making roaches. Losira's attack is deflected.
13:00 Losira 134 vs ByuL 141 Losira getting a macro hatchery. ByuL gets contaminate on an evolution chamber. +2 armor already finished for ByuL, +2 attack finishing. Losira still only has one evolution chamber.
14:00 Losira 180 vs ByuL 183 ByuL moving towards the third of Losira. Losira gets a decent defensive concave but ByuL has a huge upgrade advantage. Most of ByuL's roaches are shooting, though.
15:00 Losira 146 vs ByuL 119 Losira kills ByuL's army. ByuL GG's! Losira brings his team to 2-2!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
5%
★★★- Good game (13)
68%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
21%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
5%
19 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losira vs ByuL?
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I don't know what has happened to Byul, he was such a great player last year in PL, taking down some pretty big names consistently to the point he was top player himself. Now he is falling apart, and is losing to everybody.
LosirA is really getting back to form in an impressive manner, imo. Himmand YongHwa are really surprisingly good since they're coached by Choya - and both are in my FPL xD
On January 13 2015 20:14 Ramiz1989 wrote: I don't know what has happened to Byul, he was such a great player last year in PL, taking down some pretty big names consistently to the point he was top player himself. Now he is falling apart, and is losing to everybody.
He's 3-2 -_-
Both losses in ZvZ. One of which is to Losira, who historically is a very strong ZvZ'er. No surprise this week. Should've beaten Terror though.
On January 13 2015 20:13 Dingodile wrote: 2-1 >>>>>> 2-2 upgrades
Why does everyone think that in roach vs roach upgrades play a big role?? It helps, thats for sure, BUT that's pure numbers game and conkave, reinforcements etc... Upgrades play a huge role in TvT because of that dps on the marine, and roach's dps is just silly compare to the marine...
On January 13 2015 20:13 Dingodile wrote: 2-1 >>>>>> 2-2 upgrades
Why does everyone think that in roach vs roach upgrades play a big role?? It helps, thats for sure, BUT that's pure numbers game and conkave, reinforcements etc... Upgrades play a huge role in TvT because of that dps on the marine, and roach's dps is just silly compare to the marine...
Numbers were quite even, afaik - but the engagement was just perfect for LosirA.
On January 13 2015 20:13 Dingodile wrote: 2-1 >>>>>> 2-2 upgrades
Why does everyone think that in roach vs roach upgrades play a big role?? It helps, thats for sure, BUT that's pure numbers game and conkave, reinforcements etc... Upgrades play a huge role in TvT because of that dps on the marine, and roach's dps is just silly compare to the marine...
At what point did Byul engage with a clear disadvantage in the Roach count?
On January 13 2015 20:13 Dingodile wrote: 2-1 >>>>>> 2-2 upgrades
Why does everyone think that in roach vs roach upgrades play a big role?? It helps, thats for sure, BUT that's pure numbers game and conkave, reinforcements etc... Upgrades play a huge role in TvT because of that dps on the marine, and roach's dps is just silly compare to the marine...
you should watch the final fight again, you will notice that ByuL lost already the fight before Losira's reinforcement came.
On January 13 2015 20:26 Circumstance wrote: I've been meaning to ask - did Prime's logo get completely ripped off by Sony for their Drive Club game, or am I just seeing things?
If so, they should sue Sony and finally solve their financial issues.
So, 1-1 vs 0-1 - 10 shots to kill vs 11 shots to kill - Losira's army would need to be 10% bigger 2-2 vs 1-1 - 9 shots to kill vs 10 shots to kill - Losira's army would need to be 11% bigger.
2-2 costs, what, 375/375, so 5 roaches. Assuming ByuL attacks with fewer than 48 roaches, 2-2 isn't worth it.
On January 13 2015 20:28 Heartland wrote: Did someone screenshot that? An actual Mvp fan!
More common than Samsung and Prime fans still
I always wonder why are there so few Samsung fans. I mean their players are legit, Dear, Solar, etc are good.
They were basically rooted against by their home crowd every step of the way to winning the last Worlds. Koreans just don't like Samsung e-sports teams.
MarineKing spawns in the top right Bbyong spawns in the bottom right
2:00 Both players opening with a barracks followed by a refinery. Marine for Bbyong, reaper for MarineKing
3:00 MarineKing scouted with an SCV. Tech lab on Bbyong's barracks, factory being built. MarineKing expands. MarineKing does not see the tech lab with his reaper.
4:00 Starport being built on the tech lab. Hellion/marine for Bbyong. MarineKing getting two hellions and his own starport.
5:00 Bbyong's pressure is easily deflected at the cost of only one worker. The cloaked banshee is nearly finished. Turrets starting for MarineKing.
On January 13 2015 20:13 Dingodile wrote: 2-1 >>>>>> 2-2 upgrades
Why does everyone think that in roach vs roach upgrades play a big role?? It helps, thats for sure, BUT that's pure numbers game and conkave, reinforcements etc... Upgrades play a huge role in TvT because of that dps on the marine, and roach's dps is just silly compare to the marine...
you should watch the final fight again, you will notice that ByuL lost already the fight before Losira's reinforcement came.
That's what I am saying, casters were wrong again, they didn't know how will the fight go until byul typed "gg"... Upgrades in roach vs roach are overestimated...
i swear there was a point where the banshees flew in visual range of the natural mineral line turret and MK's vikings were on move command and didn't fire...
MarineKing spawns in the top right Bbyong spawns in the bottom right
2:00 Both players opening with a barracks followed by a refinery. Marine for Bbyong, reaper for MarineKing
3:00 MarineKing scouted with an SCV. Tech lab on Bbyong's barracks, factory being built. MarineKing expands. MarineKing does not see the tech lab with his reaper.
4:00 Starport being built on the tech lab. Hellion/marine for Bbyong. MarineKing getting two hellions and his own starport.
5:00 Bbyong's pressure is easily deflected at the cost of only one worker. The cloaked banshee is nearly finished. Turrets starting for MarineKing.
6:00 Tank for Bbyong, as well as more marines. MarineKing getting more hellions. Bbyong shoots at a few hellions with his banshee but doesn't accomplish anything else with them. Bbyong has two banshees now.
8:00 MarineKing 53 vs Bbyong 53 Bbyong grouping all of his units including a tank together. MarineKing has no energy for a scan and loses a lot to Bbyong's push despite pulling SCVs. MarineKing is forced to lift his natural CC. Bbyong has three banshees now. MarineKing morphing hellbats and drops them on the tanks but loses them. Bbyong is on top of the infrastructure. Bbyong has his own second CC now.
10:00 MarineKing 27 vs Bbyong 64 MarineKing down to 13 SCVs. MarineKing trying to get a cloaked banshee but the tech lab is killed. Two factories being made for MarineKing, followed by two hellions. The main CC of MarineKing dies. MarineKing desperately trying to repair the other CC but GG's! Bbyong wins the ace match!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
55%
★★★- Good game (1)
9%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
9%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Ace?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On January 13 2015 20:36 brickrd wrote: i swear there was a point where the banshees flew in visual range of the natural mineral line turret and MK's vikings were on move command and didn't fire...
Yeah but it was quite late, imo the game was already lost at that point
On January 13 2015 20:37 Zealously wrote: Bbyong pretty much the unquestionable CJ ace in Proleague at this point. herO isn't really on point and definitely not in comparison
Great to see
Also Catallena isn't a fun match for protoss edit: Map*
On January 13 2015 20:13 Dingodile wrote: 2-1 >>>>>> 2-2 upgrades
Why does everyone think that in roach vs roach upgrades play a big role?? It helps, thats for sure, BUT that's pure numbers game and conkave, reinforcements etc... Upgrades play a huge role in TvT because of that dps on the marine, and roach's dps is just silly compare to the marine...
you should watch the final fight again, you will notice that ByuL lost already the fight before Losira's reinforcement came.
That's what I am saying, casters were wrong again, they didn't know how will the fight go until byul typed "gg"... Upgrades in roach vs roach are overestimated...
in my experience most foreign casters (nathanias etc) will always point out how +attack is more important and +carapace not so much in zvz... it's really only wolf that i've heard talk about +carapace as if it's a big deal. but +attack absolutely is a big deal, it's just that attack upgrade timing windows are very very small in zvz typically
On January 13 2015 20:36 brickrd wrote: i swear there was a point where the banshees flew in visual range of the natural mineral line turret and MK's vikings were on move command and didn't fire...
Yeah but it was quite late, imo the game was already lost at that point
probably so but certainly not as lost as it was 15-30 seconds later
Alls Marine King ever needed was a good coach behind him. He had Gerrard @ prime who is useless and now he has fucking Choya TT Maru leaves and gets like 100x better at Jin Air mainly because of he had the best Terran coach in sc2 but still. Lets give Marine King a top team at least to train in and maybe he will get good but he continues to just play the way he does and looks like he doesn't get coached properly
On January 13 2015 20:37 Zealously wrote: Bbyong pretty much the unquestionable CJ ace in Proleague at this point. herO isn't really on point and definitely not in comparison
Great to see
I think coach park decided to do that since herO was able to qualify for everything and byul and bbyong not. So they are dividing the responsibility
On January 13 2015 20:37 Zealously wrote: Bbyong pretty much the unquestionable CJ ace in Proleague at this point. herO isn't really on point and definitely not in comparison
Great to see
I think coach park decided to do that since herO was able to qualify for everything and byul and bbyong not. So they are dividing the responsibility
I think he did that to avoid a herO vs Yonghwa rematch
On January 13 2015 20:36 Luolis wrote: These kind of pushes make me hate TvT even more than what i do now lol.
Shame, because really it s beautifull : great micro, fast decision making & mingames gives you great sc2.
Dunno, for me TvT is holding that inevitable early aggerssion and then if i surprise playing fun marine/tank vs marine/tank, or vs mech which makes me want to slit my wrists.
On January 13 2015 20:38 Pandemona wrote: Alls Marine King ever needed was a good coach behind him. He had Gerrard @ prime who is useless and now he has fucking Choya TT Maru leaves and gets like 100x better at Jin Air mainly because of he had the best Terran coach in sc2 but still. Lets give Marine King a top team at least to train in and maybe he will get good but he continues to just play the way he does and looks like he doesn't get coached properly
I think 100x is quite the exaggeration since Maru won fucking OSL while on Prime.
On January 13 2015 20:36 Luolis wrote: These kind of pushes make me hate TvT even more than what i do now lol.
Shame, because really it s beautifull : great micro, fast decision making & mingames gives you great sc2.
yea but early-midgame tvt pushes get kind of boring as a spectator. getting a tank position ends so many games so fast, an orbital lifts and it just goes downhill
On January 13 2015 20:38 Pandemona wrote: Alls Marine King ever needed was a good coach behind him. He had Gerrard @ prime who is useless and now he has fucking Choya TT Maru leaves and gets like 100x better at Jin Air mainly because of he had the best Terran coach in sc2 but still. Lets give Marine King a top team at least to train in and maybe he will get good but he continues to just play the way he does and looks like he doesn't get coached properly
GERRARD USELESS? Sure m8, keep dreaming, players of a coach who sucks usually end up first in GSL, WCS, MLG...
When someone is talking shit about Gerrard, it just goes to show, how little he knows about SC2 or it is a emotional breakdown(which I think is your case)...
Regarding the ZvZ roach engagement and the upgrades... Losira won due to his wider concave. With the way targeting works, the units will pick the most convenient units to attack, so if there are more clumped up units, even if everything is in range, the front line will get killed first. But, when you have all of your roaches fully concaved so that they are all next to each other (none behind each other), then the damage will be split evenly among all of the roaches, allowing for more roaches to survive and continue to do damage. Losira had a bit better of a concave, and he did not have any roaches in the choke point, whereas Byul did. So, even though he had a 1-1 upgrade lead for about 50% of the fight and a 1-0 upgrade lead for the other 50%, Losira's concave and closer reinforcements gave him the win.
But upgrades WILL win engagements when the armies are even in size and concave, and should not be ignored! But rushing upgrades is generally not cost-effective.
On January 13 2015 20:38 Pandemona wrote: Alls Marine King ever needed was a good coach behind him. He had Gerrard @ prime who is useless and now he has fucking Choya TT Maru leaves and gets like 100x better at Jin Air mainly because of he had the best Terran coach in sc2 but still. Lets give Marine King a top team at least to train in and maybe he will get good but he continues to just play the way he does and looks like he doesn't get coached properly
GERRARD USELESS? Sure m8, keep dreaming, players of a coach who sucks usually end up first in GSL, WCS, MLG...
When someone is talking shit about Gerrard, it just goes to show, how little he knows about SC2 or it is a emotional breakdown(which I think is your case)...
He thinks Gerrard is useless so you draw the conclusion that he has a emotional breakdown? Take it easy there!
On January 13 2015 20:38 Pandemona wrote: Alls Marine King ever needed was a good coach behind him. He had Gerrard @ prime who is useless and now he has fucking Choya TT Maru leaves and gets like 100x better at Jin Air mainly because of he had the best Terran coach in sc2 but still. Lets give Marine King a top team at least to train in and maybe he will get good but he continues to just play the way he does and looks like he doesn't get coached properly
GERRARD USELESS? Sure m8, keep dreaming, players of a coach who sucks usually end up first in GSL, WCS, MLG...
When someone is talking shit about Gerrard, it just goes to show, how little he knows about SC2 or it is a emotional breakdown(which I think is your case)...
He thinks Gerrard is useless so you draw the conclusion that he has a emotional breakdown? Take it easy there!
Like MKP had few minutes ago, heh did not mean any worse than that
On January 13 2015 20:38 Pandemona wrote: Alls Marine King ever needed was a good coach behind him. He had Gerrard @ prime who is useless and now he has fucking Choya TT Maru leaves and gets like 100x better at Jin Air mainly because of he had the best Terran coach in sc2 but still. Lets give Marine King a top team at least to train in and maybe he will get good but he continues to just play the way he does and looks like he doesn't get coached properly
I think 100x is quite the exaggeration since Maru won fucking OSL while on Prime.
True but i would safely say imo then he is way better player than he ever was on Prime and he has Jin Air to thank for that.
On January 13 2015 20:38 Pandemona wrote: Alls Marine King ever needed was a good coach behind him. He had Gerrard @ prime who is useless and now he has fucking Choya TT Maru leaves and gets like 100x better at Jin Air mainly because of he had the best Terran coach in sc2 but still. Lets give Marine King a top team at least to train in and maybe he will get good but he continues to just play the way he does and looks like he doesn't get coached properly
GERRARD USELESS? Sure m8, keep dreaming, players of a coach who sucks usually end up first in GSL, WCS, MLG...
When someone is talking shit about Gerrard, it just goes to show, how little he knows about SC2 or it is a emotional breakdown(which I think is your case)...
Prime were "useful" as a team back in WoL when they actually had a squad and a team house that was competitve. For most of HOTS they have had nothing other than an insanely talented Maru carrying their flag. When he left everyone thought it was curtains. Creator is their best player and he has not been performing in months now, but to his credit in BO1 pro league last year he was useful.
I can't think of a player that Gerrard has improved. He was supposed to fix Byun's mental state when he went into the booth super nervous years ago and couldn't. He got nervous and fluffed matches the deeper into tournaments he went. There also im sure has been interviews in which people have said Gerrard is never in the team house or something?
On January 13 2015 20:38 Pandemona wrote: Alls Marine King ever needed was a good coach behind him. He had Gerrard @ prime who is useless and now he has fucking Choya TT Maru leaves and gets like 100x better at Jin Air mainly because of he had the best Terran coach in sc2 but still. Lets give Marine King a top team at least to train in and maybe he will get good but he continues to just play the way he does and looks like he doesn't get coached properly
GERRARD USELESS? Sure m8, keep dreaming, players of a coach who sucks usually end up first in GSL, WCS, MLG...
When someone is talking shit about Gerrard, it just goes to show, how little he knows about SC2 or it is a emotional breakdown(which I think is your case)...
He thinks Gerrard is useless so you draw the conclusion that he has a emotional breakdown? Take it easy there!
Like MKP had few minutes ago, heh did not mean any worse than that
I can't think of a player that Gerrard has improved.
#1 Our beloved MarineKing - Gerrard took him to Prime before the second GSL, that he ended up on 2nd place... 2 MLG titles, 4 GSL finals, etc.
#2 Maru - One of the youngest players of all time in GSL competing next to his "big brother" MKP. 1 GSL title, 3x WCS 3rd-4th in WCS events.
#3 Creator - Very young player also, he is being referred as one of the best protosses of 2012. 2nd in WCS 2012, 1st in TLS
#4 ByuNjwaaa - <3, 2x 3rd-4th GSL
ALL of these players were nothing before they came to Prime, and spend quite some time in there and got better. I am not saying that Prime is the best sc2 team of all time, and everyone should praise them, but they should be respected and Gerrard especially...
God damn, Marineking is doing everything in his power to make me stop being a fan of his, the way he just straight up botches games. At least I got those sweet sweet Bbyong FPL points...
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