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Krobolt
Profile Joined August 2014
Canada42 Posts
January 11 2015 19:50 GMT
#601
On January 12 2015 04:44 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 04:29 Krobolt wrote:
I really hope Blizzard makes more changes to Protoss. Compared to Terran and Zerg so far, Protoss seem boring and passive. There needs to be less of a reliance on higher-tier glass cannons, and more of a reliance on strong T1 and T2 core units that Protoss can send around the map for multipronged aggression.

was always the problem for me when watching or playing protoss.


True enough, but I play more Protoss than I do Terran and Zerg right now and it's not a huge problem. With the new economy, though, I feel like it will be.
A proud member of the Dongsquad.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
January 11 2015 20:00 GMT
#602
Builds where you forgo a gateway army to move the game instantly to situations where tempests are repeatedly harassing, akin to tempests vs swarm hosts in HotS, seem contrived and eventually boring. I don't see the deep strategic potential of these builds compared to standard macro play.

I don't think disintegration is a good idea. The science vessel worked in brood war because zerg had some high utility units that terran needed to be able to cull, an analogous situation for tempests would be having a few of them near your army to eliminate vipers, brood lords and ultralisks, but I think that protoss should be capable of facing such armies straight up without mutual destruction gimmicks. Certainly protoss needs to invest its gas into units like archons and can't really afford tempests without going all-in on them. In Starcraft 2 you are also more likely to mass anti-air and create a viking / corruptor fleet to deal with an investment into tempests and this forces void rays / carriers and establishes these back-and-forth air battles which I find to have dubious value.

Furthermore, it seems that disintegration has bad interactions with transfuse (creating an apm sink to invalidate the ability) and it lacks some of the cool aspects of irradiate.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
January 11 2015 20:02 GMT
#603
im surprised this had so many viewers was the pull due to the LotV tag or something?
wUndertUnge
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1125 Posts
January 11 2015 20:24 GMT
#604
Did carriers get a speed buff?
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sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
January 11 2015 20:42 GMT
#605
On January 12 2015 05:02 TAMinator wrote:
im surprised this had so many viewers was the pull due to the LotV tag or something?

TB has a substantial following, too.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
CREAM989
Profile Joined July 2014
United States32 Posts
January 11 2015 20:53 GMT
#606
vods?
Comin fo dat ass
Krobolt
Profile Joined August 2014
Canada42 Posts
January 11 2015 20:56 GMT
#607
On January 12 2015 05:53 CREAM989 wrote:
vods?


TB said he would post all of them, spoiler free, on his YouTube channel soon after the tournament ended.
A proud member of the Dongsquad.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
January 11 2015 21:04 GMT
#608
Were they any games with a lot of Disruptor use?
Darkdwarf
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Sweden960 Posts
January 11 2015 21:13 GMT
#609
Are the vods up yet?
Teams: IM, Jin Air, Invictus || Players: Maru, GuMiho, INnoVation, Ryung, sOs, Squirtle, NaNiwa, Has, Zoun, Life, Rogue, Dark
dazed25
Profile Joined August 2014
3566 Posts
January 11 2015 21:21 GMT
#610
On January 12 2015 06:04 ZAiNs wrote:
Were they any games with a lot of Disruptor use?


Quite a few with some disruptor + warp prism mineral line harass. I really wanted to see something like forcefields/statis + disruptor in army engagements though.
Zest, Rain, Life, Stats, Flash, PartinG, herO
Supersamu
Profile Joined November 2014
Germany296 Posts
January 11 2015 21:30 GMT
#611
On January 12 2015 06:13 Darkdwarf wrote:
Are the vods up yet?


It took me only one minute to see whether the vods are up or not. You could also have invested that time to look at his youtube channel (TotalBiscuit) instead of asking in this thread.

+ Show Spoiler +

No, they are not up yet.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24227 Posts
January 11 2015 21:41 GMT
#612
Disruptor + prism harass seems really interesting and was featured in some games (Crank - Heart I think saw a disruptor net 40+ kills). I wish the ranged pick up goes away to make drop less easy though.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-11 22:15:04
January 11 2015 22:13 GMT
#613
On January 12 2015 05:02 TAMinator wrote:
im surprised this had so many viewers was the pull due to the LotV tag or something?

Most of TB's tournaments have had over 20k viewers easily. I guess LotV maybe gave a bump of additional 5-10k viewers. He's had up to 40k viewers on his normal streams (i.e. sim city launch).
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
January 12 2015 00:00 GMT
#614
Had some good fun watching this, more than I'vs had with Sc2 in quite a while. LotV looks to have awesome potential, though these games highlighted some issues as well. Protoss, as many people had predicted, just has to change somehow to work in this new environment. Also Tempests are awful and complete killjoys. Worst unit so far by a mile.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
January 12 2015 03:05 GMT
#615
TB thanks for the putting on this tournament! Hopefully once the beta launches we'll see a bunch more tournaments pop up since this was very fun to watch
JD, need I say more? :D
olimoley
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States742 Posts
January 12 2015 05:39 GMT
#616
Thanks for watching everyone! Happy it generated a lot of discussion. Look forward to more Axiom tournaments in the future, I already have some ideas for the next one.
Events Manager, Team Liquid - Creator of OlimoLeague
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5447 Posts
January 12 2015 05:52 GMT
#617
Sounds like the tourney was a success! Hate to ask but any ETA on vods? As in possibly later today or do i need to wait a few days?
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
January 12 2015 05:54 GMT
#618
On January 12 2015 14:52 SoleSteeler wrote:
Sounds like the tourney was a success! Hate to ask but any ETA on vods? As in possibly later today or do i need to wait a few days?

I think TB is usually fairly quick at uploading VODs, so it should take less than a day.

You can access the VODs now on Twitch if you subscribe to TB!

http://www.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit/b/609807425
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
January 12 2015 11:41 GMT
#619
On January 12 2015 09:00 Squat wrote:
Had some good fun watching this, more than I'vs had with Sc2 in quite a while. LotV looks to have awesome potential, though these games highlighted some issues as well. Protoss, as many people had predicted, just has to change somehow to work in this new environment. Also Tempests are awful and complete killjoys. Worst unit so far by a mile.

You can see in a lot of the protoss games (I think especially by Alicia) that players don't know how to use the new warpgate yet. They warp in units directly underneath an enemy army and then seem kinda surprised it doesn't work. This is unfortunately what happens whenever you change core mechanics, but hopefully this knowledge won't deter Blizzard from pushing this change through.

To be honest, I think that the purpose of the warpgate nerf (&sentry nerf vs zerg) has to be part of an attempt to make gateway units more viable, because otherwise it leads to games where protoss goes straight to tempests and even forgoes gateways entirely (like Crank did).
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
January 12 2015 17:45 GMT
#620
RO8 vods available - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS67L5dgs2EYcJp7LeMwdTVenjrTA-agY
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
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