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Did Rogue/Soulkey already happen? What was the score? What's the score on Classic's series? Only just now tuned in.
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On December 17 2014 20:03 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Did Rogue/Soulkey already happen? What was the score? What's the score on Classic's series? Only just now tuned in.
Liquipedia exists...
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On December 17 2014 20:03 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Did Rogue/Soulkey already happen? What was the score? What's the score on Classic's series? Only just now tuned in.
Rogue 3 Soulkey 0
Cure Classic is 0 0 atm
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On December 17 2014 20:03 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Did Rogue/Soulkey already happen? What was the score? What's the score on Classic's series? Only just now tuned in.
Classic vs Cure is first game.
Rogue 3-0'ed SK
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 17 2014 20:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 20:03 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Did Rogue/Soulkey already happen? What was the score? What's the score on Classic's series? Only just now tuned in. Liquipedia exists...
So do LR threads, which is kind of the whole idea
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On December 17 2014 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 19:49 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:47 Zealously wrote:On December 17 2014 19:43 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:40 Zealously wrote:On December 17 2014 19:38 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 17 2014 19:33 Big J wrote:
cool story for zergs having the better guy advance
sad story for starcraft having these sorts of games 4years after release blame soulkey and not the game for what? He got bad BO luck 2times.If he builds a pool first, Rouge gets the bad build order luck and the games are still bad. Then he got another bad BO luck. If you are up against a hatch first with that fast speed you have to go speedlings+banelings, and if your opponent isn't aggressive when you are already behind after pool first and speedlings and banelings vs hatch first speed only then you have to attack, because you won't catch up in the macro game for free. It's not build order "luck" if one player plays like an idiot and the other recognizes that and does something about it. I must have missed the 6supply scout from Rouge then that made him "recognize" what Soulkey did. Though I didn't... There's nothing Rouge recognized, it was blind flight in all those games when deciding to allin or to hatch first, just the same as for SKs. Do you think it was coincidence that lead Rogue to pulling the same build again after it worked so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think Rogue picked that build randomly without any prior planning? Do you think it was coincidence that lead SK to pulling the same build again even though it didn't work so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think SK picked that build randomly without any prior planning? Maybe he should have microed better then If you can't deal with the "luck" in sc2 (even though it is more like calculated risks) you just shouldn't watch it. It is part of the game and as long as we don't get the most ridiculous defenders advantage (like mobas) and we keep fog of war this won't change. You kinda bitch about this all the time, do you do the same with RL stuff which you can't really change?
Keep it classy (no ad hominem). People bitch about stuff in SC2 all the time, bitching about BO-wins that every Master player could achieve against a top-Proplayer is just my thing. Ever seen an LR during a long SH game? Ever seen an LR in blink days?
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France9034 Posts
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On December 17 2014 20:03 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 20:02 TheDwf wrote:
PC crashed, what happened in the end? Attack with a ton of vikings killing all the colossus and a lot of zealots, then Cure retreats. Classic uses this opportunity for a tactical pause.,
Ah, game still not over or Classic is dead anyway?
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On December 17 2014 20:06 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 17 2014 19:49 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:47 Zealously wrote:On December 17 2014 19:43 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:40 Zealously wrote:On December 17 2014 19:38 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 17 2014 19:33 Big J wrote:
cool story for zergs having the better guy advance
sad story for starcraft having these sorts of games 4years after release blame soulkey and not the game for what? He got bad BO luck 2times.If he builds a pool first, Rouge gets the bad build order luck and the games are still bad. Then he got another bad BO luck. If you are up against a hatch first with that fast speed you have to go speedlings+banelings, and if your opponent isn't aggressive when you are already behind after pool first and speedlings and banelings vs hatch first speed only then you have to attack, because you won't catch up in the macro game for free. It's not build order "luck" if one player plays like an idiot and the other recognizes that and does something about it. I must have missed the 6supply scout from Rouge then that made him "recognize" what Soulkey did. Though I didn't... There's nothing Rouge recognized, it was blind flight in all those games when deciding to allin or to hatch first, just the same as for SKs. Do you think it was coincidence that lead Rogue to pulling the same build again after it worked so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think Rogue picked that build randomly without any prior planning? Do you think it was coincidence that lead SK to pulling the same build again even though it didn't work so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think SK picked that build randomly without any prior planning? Maybe he should have microed better then If you can't deal with the "luck" in sc2 (even though it is more like calculated risks) you just shouldn't watch it. It is part of the game and as long as we don't get the most ridiculous defenders advantage (like mobas) and we keep fog of war this won't change. You kinda bitch about this all the time, do you do the same with RL stuff which you can't really change? Keep it classy (no ad hominem). People bitch about stuff in SC2 all the time, bitching about BO-wins that every Master player could achieve against a top-Proplayer is just my thing. Ever seen an LR during a long SH game? Ever seen an LR in blink days?
Ever seen GSL 2012 Season 5 LR ?
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I don't know classic didn't pp before pausing I was shocked !
But maybe SSSL rules are not proleague rules
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On December 17 2014 20:07 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 20:03 DJHelium wrote:On December 17 2014 20:02 TheDwf wrote:
PC crashed, what happened in the end? Attack with a ton of vikings killing all the colossus and a lot of zealots, then Cure retreats. Classic uses this opportunity for a tactical pause., Ah, game still not over or Classic is dead anyway?
Think Cure is ahead, but you never know when one gets protossed
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On December 17 2014 20:07 Philozovic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 20:06 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 17 2014 19:49 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:47 Zealously wrote:On December 17 2014 19:43 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:40 Zealously wrote:On December 17 2014 19:38 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 17 2014 19:33 Big J wrote:
cool story for zergs having the better guy advance
sad story for starcraft having these sorts of games 4years after release blame soulkey and not the game for what? He got bad BO luck 2times.If he builds a pool first, Rouge gets the bad build order luck and the games are still bad. Then he got another bad BO luck. If you are up against a hatch first with that fast speed you have to go speedlings+banelings, and if your opponent isn't aggressive when you are already behind after pool first and speedlings and banelings vs hatch first speed only then you have to attack, because you won't catch up in the macro game for free. It's not build order "luck" if one player plays like an idiot and the other recognizes that and does something about it. I must have missed the 6supply scout from Rouge then that made him "recognize" what Soulkey did. Though I didn't... There's nothing Rouge recognized, it was blind flight in all those games when deciding to allin or to hatch first, just the same as for SKs. Do you think it was coincidence that lead Rogue to pulling the same build again after it worked so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think Rogue picked that build randomly without any prior planning? Do you think it was coincidence that lead SK to pulling the same build again even though it didn't work so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think SK picked that build randomly without any prior planning? Maybe he should have microed better then If you can't deal with the "luck" in sc2 (even though it is more like calculated risks) you just shouldn't watch it. It is part of the game and as long as we don't get the most ridiculous defenders advantage (like mobas) and we keep fog of war this won't change. You kinda bitch about this all the time, do you do the same with RL stuff which you can't really change? Keep it classy (no ad hominem). People bitch about stuff in SC2 all the time, bitching about BO-wins that every Master player could achieve against a top-Proplayer is just my thing. Ever seen an LR during a long SH game? Ever seen an LR in blink days? Ever seen GSL 2012 Season 5 LR ?
Dont remind me of the darkest days known to mankind
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god damn it, someone, for the love of god, give me damaged health bars
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On December 17 2014 20:10 SharkStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 20:07 Philozovic wrote:On December 17 2014 20:06 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 17 2014 19:49 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:47 Zealously wrote:On December 17 2014 19:43 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:40 Zealously wrote:On December 17 2014 19:38 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
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blame soulkey and not the game for what? He got bad BO luck 2times.If he builds a pool first, Rouge gets the bad build order luck and the games are still bad. Then he got another bad BO luck. If you are up against a hatch first with that fast speed you have to go speedlings+banelings, and if your opponent isn't aggressive when you are already behind after pool first and speedlings and banelings vs hatch first speed only then you have to attack, because you won't catch up in the macro game for free. It's not build order "luck" if one player plays like an idiot and the other recognizes that and does something about it. I must have missed the 6supply scout from Rouge then that made him "recognize" what Soulkey did. Though I didn't... There's nothing Rouge recognized, it was blind flight in all those games when deciding to allin or to hatch first, just the same as for SKs. Do you think it was coincidence that lead Rogue to pulling the same build again after it worked so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think Rogue picked that build randomly without any prior planning? Do you think it was coincidence that lead SK to pulling the same build again even though it didn't work so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think SK picked that build randomly without any prior planning? Maybe he should have microed better then If you can't deal with the "luck" in sc2 (even though it is more like calculated risks) you just shouldn't watch it. It is part of the game and as long as we don't get the most ridiculous defenders advantage (like mobas) and we keep fog of war this won't change. You kinda bitch about this all the time, do you do the same with RL stuff which you can't really change? Keep it classy (no ad hominem). People bitch about stuff in SC2 all the time, bitching about BO-wins that every Master player could achieve against a top-Proplayer is just my thing. Ever seen an LR during a long SH game? Ever seen an LR in blink days? Ever seen GSL 2012 Season 5 LR ? Dont remind me of the darkest days known to mankind
hihi, exactly my point. Everyone has stuff he dislikes and bitches about.
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On December 17 2014 20:11 Noonius wrote:
god damn it, someone, for the love of god, give me damaged health bars
I know... there's never a reason not to use it.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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On December 17 2014 20:06 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 17 2014 19:49 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:47 Zealously wrote:On December 17 2014 19:43 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:40 Zealously wrote:On December 17 2014 19:38 Big J wrote:On December 17 2014 19:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 17 2014 19:33 Big J wrote:
cool story for zergs having the better guy advance
sad story for starcraft having these sorts of games 4years after release blame soulkey and not the game for what? He got bad BO luck 2times.If he builds a pool first, Rouge gets the bad build order luck and the games are still bad. Then he got another bad BO luck. If you are up against a hatch first with that fast speed you have to go speedlings+banelings, and if your opponent isn't aggressive when you are already behind after pool first and speedlings and banelings vs hatch first speed only then you have to attack, because you won't catch up in the macro game for free. It's not build order "luck" if one player plays like an idiot and the other recognizes that and does something about it. I must have missed the 6supply scout from Rouge then that made him "recognize" what Soulkey did. Though I didn't... There's nothing Rouge recognized, it was blind flight in all those games when deciding to allin or to hatch first, just the same as for SKs. Do you think it was coincidence that lead Rogue to pulling the same build again after it worked so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think Rogue picked that build randomly without any prior planning? Do you think it was coincidence that lead SK to pulling the same build again even though it didn't work so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think SK picked that build randomly without any prior planning? Maybe he should have microed better then If you can't deal with the "luck" in sc2 (even though it is more like calculated risks) you just shouldn't watch it. It is part of the game and as long as we don't get the most ridiculous defenders advantage (like mobas) and we keep fog of war this won't change. You kinda bitch about this all the time, do you do the same with RL stuff which you can't really change? Keep it classy (no ad hominem). People bitch about stuff in SC2 all the time, bitching about BO-wins that every Master player could achieve against a top-Proplayer is just my thing. Ever seen an LR during a long SH game? Ever seen an LR in blink days?
I didn't really dismiss any arguments from you, cause there were none 
As i stated in my last comment, you simply can't change this part of the game without changing the whole basis.
Zealously already explained why this isn't pure luck and one thing to add:
If you want to be save against these early attacks you just can play, well more safely.
Sure, you might be a bit behind if the other player decided to go more greedy, but you won't lose cuase of it like ever.
And yeah i know there is a lot of bitching about a lot of stuff, i just feel like your complains target the very basis of starcraft (fog of war, no big defenders advantage)
but yeah sorry if i offended you, let's just watch these beautiful TvP games, hehe
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
Observer speed, I love Classic
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