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deacon.frost

Czech Republic12134 Posts

December 17 2014 11:14 GMT

#350

It is TvP BO5 on old S3 map pool? Yeah, right, we know how this ends.

Olli

Austria24422 Posts

December 17 2014 11:15 GMT

#351

Classic needed to trade away his zealots earlier and replace them with mass templar everywhere. Guess he wasn't feeling confident enough after losing all his colossi though

You can't beat ghost/viking with this army

Philozovic

France1677 Posts

December 17 2014 11:15 GMT

#352

On December 17 2014 20:14 deacon.frost wrote:
It is TvP BO5 on old S3 map pool? Yeah, right, we know how this ends.

Protossed ?

munch

Mute City2363 Posts

December 17 2014 11:15 GMT

#353

What happened in that engagement o_O

The_Red_Viper

19533 Posts

December 17 2014 11:17 GMT

#354

On December 17 2014 20:06 Ragnarork wrote:
What's happening?

TY wasn't allowed to play the Kung Fu Cup semi finals

Big J

Austria16289 Posts

December 17 2014 11:17 GMT

#355

On December 17 2014 20:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:

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On December 17 2014 20:06 Big J wrote:

On December 17 2014 19:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:

On December 17 2014 19:49 Big J wrote:

On December 17 2014 19:47 Zealously wrote:

On December 17 2014 19:43 Big J wrote:

On December 17 2014 19:40 Zealously wrote:

On December 17 2014 19:38 Big J wrote:

On December 17 2014 19:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:

On December 17 2014 19:33 Big J wrote:
cool story for zergs having the better guy advance
sad story for starcraft having these sorts of games 4years after release

blame soulkey and not the game

for what?
He got bad BO luck 2times.If he builds a pool first, Rouge gets the bad build order luck and the games are still bad.
Then he got another bad BO luck. If you are up against a hatch first with that fast speed you have to go speedlings+banelings, and if your opponent isn't aggressive when you are already behind after pool first and speedlings and banelings vs hatch first speed only then you have to attack, because you won't catch up in the macro game for free.

It's not build order "luck" if one player plays like an idiot and the other recognizes that and does something about it.

I must have missed the 6supply scout from Rouge then that made him "recognize" what Soulkey did. Though I didn't... There's nothing Rouge recognized, it was blind flight in all those games when deciding to allin or to hatch first, just the same as for SKs.

Do you think it was coincidence that lead Rogue to pulling the same build again after it worked so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think Rogue picked that build randomly without any prior planning?

Do you think it was coincidence that lead SK to pulling the same build again even though it didn't work so well in the first game? And to take it one step further, do you think SK picked that build randomly without any prior planning?

Maybe he should have microed better then
If you can't deal with the "luck" in sc2 (even though it is more like calculated risks) you just shouldn't watch it. It is part of the game and as long as we don't get the most ridiculous defenders advantage (like mobas) and we keep fog of war this won't change. You kinda bitch about this all the time, do you do the same with RL stuff which you can't really change?

Keep it classy (no ad hominem). People bitch about stuff in SC2 all the time, bitching about BO-wins that every Master player could achieve against a top-Proplayer is just my thing. Ever seen an LR during a long SH game? Ever seen an LR in blink days?

I didn't really dismiss any arguments from you, cause there were none

As i stated in my last comment, you simply can't change this part of the game without changing the whole basis.
Zealously already explained why this isn't pure luck and one thing to add:
If you want to be save against these early attacks you just can play, well more savely.
Sure, you might be a bit behind if the other player decided to go more greedy, but you won't lose cuase of it like ever.
And yeah i know there is a lot of bitching about a lot of stuff, i just feel like your complains target the very basis of starcraft (fog of war, no big defenders advantage)

Na, it mainly targets the matchup. What you are talking about "just play safe" is possible as Terran vs Zerg and as Zerg vs Terran. It is possible for Protoss vs Terran and Protoss vs Zerg. So it's not the fog of war, no big defenders advantage that would need to be changed for that kind of stuff because those things are true in those matchups too.
It's not really possible in the other matchups, ZvZ, TvT and as T/Z/P against Protoss, though TvT gets close.

Makro

France16890 Posts

December 17 2014 11:17 GMT

#356

was rogue-soulkey like extremely one sided ?

deacon.frost

Czech Republic12134 Posts

December 17 2014 11:17 GMT

#357

On December 17 2014 20:15 Philozovic wrote:

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Protossed ?

In the Balance thread are statistics of TvP on these maps, BO5 looks T favored on maps like Catallena and I wouldn't bet on any P in BO7. Though Classic had a ... weird engagement. Late storms on vikings, colossi not shooting. It was really super weird. Also warping chargelots against ghosts is the last desperation try, since bonus to light